From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #12 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, January 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 012 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- men!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section onthe JMDL site [colin ] RE: Chat Room (NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re Books NJC ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Girls in the Valley? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] fun throwaways ["Ron Greer" ] Re: fun throwaways [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: how small is your world? NJC [Gertus@aol.com] Pearl's website [Jennymac48@aol.com] remember the first time you heard Joni [Mags ] Re: remember the first time you heard Joni ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section onthe JMDL site ["Bree Mcdonough" ] re:top ten of 2001 - njc ["Garret" ] Re: Re Books NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: remember the first time you heard Joni [Julius Raymond ] Books and movies njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: remember the first time you heard Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Books and movies njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: comefuckmepumps [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: movies & accents njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Books and movies njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: comef**kmepumps ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: comef**kmepumps - njc [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Books and movies njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: comef**kmepumps - njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Lord of the Rings (NJC) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Books and movies njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Bush Fires NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Re:The World According To... (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 06:10:49 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: men!!!! njc yiiippeeeeeeee!!!! internet access! very briefly: leslie howard? nah. gable? papi! now... ronald colman in ''lost horizon''... *****GOD***** wally, silly as usual [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 09:45:08 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section onthe JMDL site > Bob and everyone,has this guy got his facts mixed up? I can't imagine Joni > lecturing to her fans about paying closer attention to her lyrics. It > doesn't ring true. it is true. Don't know the concert or when but she did tell her audience off for not listening. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:42:43 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section on the JMDL site hi i tried to read a book awhile ago - totally inspired by a joni song. the book was called "coyote" and was inspired by the character in the song. unfortunately the book, being basically drivel, didnt do the song much justice :-) ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:50:13 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: books and movies njc hi with this whole "fried green tomatoes" thing, is anyone else as freaked out as i am? lets see now - the lesbian relationship details were left out of the movie to avoid offending people, but the whole murder of ex husband/disposal of dead body/"secrets in the sauce" thing could be left in and the sympathy for the characters concerned thing still worked..... when i mentioned the lesbian aspect to some folks i knew they got very offended. when i pointed out that they were prepared to accept cannibalism, but not lesbians, they got even more offended...... where the hell do the average persons priorities lie????? or did i just misunderstand "the secrets in the sauce"/"the barbecue was very good that summer" ?? ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:38:48 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Chat Room (NJC) Paz:- > Finally made the new Chat Room work on my puter and there is > nobody there. You have to get there *before* it hits 3am UK time... :) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:49:48 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re Books NJC Paz wrote >>Funny you would mention another one of my all time faves. Cien Aqos de Soledad is amazing as well as the rest of Marquez' work. I also am a big fan of Julio Cortazar who wrote a book called Hopscotch which can be read front to back like any normal book or by following a key in the front of the book and hopping around. Thanks for the memory<< You may (possibly) remember then the passage in One Hundred Years of Solitude (OHYOS) where GGM mentions 'the room in Paris where Rocamadour will die one day'. Rocamadour, however, dies not in OHYOS but in Cortazar's 'Hopscotch/Rayuela'. Tricky bastards, these magic realists. I use the English title of OHYOS in order to avoid getting into (excuse the phrase) Cien Anos territory again. All the best, mike in bcn np touch me Doors ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:41:57 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Girls in the Valley? NJC << Anything is possible, but it's highly unlikely that a Sony associated company would pursue something like this without having rights. >> Thanks for the explanation, Brenda...I was going to ask you, so you beat me to the punch. Nice having friends in the biz! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:57:45 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: fun throwaways hi >>bob wrote >>You're right, of course...I should lighten up on Dancin' Clown. Joni's >>allowed a fun throwaway or two. After all, if she has fun making records, >>she's gonna keep doing it, right? ;~) to keep the speculation going... what about big yellow taxi. it always struck me that this was intended to be a fun throwaway for three reasons. the first is just the sound & rhythm of the song - it just sounds like fun (to me anyway) despite the subject. the second reason is the laugh at the end of the recording - certainly sounds like fun. & the third reason is that just after amy grant did her cover, i saw an interview on tv, where she was describing how she spoke to joni before she recorded the track, and asked her if there was anything she should change to bring it up to date. i cant remember specifics now, but i really got the impression that joni was poking fun at her for taking it so seriously. now i was probably very influenced by my pre-conceived notion that byt was a "fun" song, and my own inability to take amy grants later music seriously (im a huge fan of her early music, but think she lost the plot in a big way after a while) ron np - rory block - gone woman blues ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:15:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: fun throwaways << what about big yellow taxi. it always struck me that this was intended to be a fun throwaway >> Excellent points, Ron. And I agree with you. I think she pretty much composed it on the spot with the simple Chuck Berry guitar lick, and like you say, she's obviously having fun with it. And she knows it's a crowd pleaser. Yesterday I was enjoying her 1993 Troubadours of Folk concert while making a dub, and she introduces BYT as a "nursery rhyme"! Also, this arrangement is markedly different than any other of BYT that I've heard. Bob, who would also classify "Smokin' (Empty, Try Another) as a fun throwaway. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:39:39 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: how small is your world? NJC - - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >>>His mom and my aunt were friends as teenagers and > my aunt recently was at > a gathering serving > tea to Will and his Mum. (yikes!)<<< > > THAT is truly amazing. Katherine replied:- If we all had time to list friends and relatives that we had in different cities in the world, I wonder how many more of us would find out that we had these things in common? If anyone out there has friends or relatives in Toronto, I'd be curious to know if there's anyone I know (somehow I doubt it, but you never know). Anyone on the list from Kent in England, or has ancestors from there? Just wondering - my grandmother was a Beatrice Acton from Kent - she probably came to Canada about 1910-1915 or so. I live about 6 miles from the Kent border. Don't know of any Actons but it's a pretty big county. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:48:03 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Pearl's website Pearl, or anyone, what is the website with photos of Joni in Tornoto recently playing the piano!!!!! Please, oh, please? Love, JennyMac ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:13:43 -0500 From: Mags Subject: remember the first time you heard Joni Brian and I are sitting here trying to figure out a way to articulate that moment, those feelings which were stirred up when we saw Joni walk across the stage in Toronto this past fall, knowing we were about to hear her play the piano for the first time in many, many years. I did a little piece of writing about it, albeit raw and rough, it comes closer to that moment than what I have been able to articulate thus far. I was sandwiched between my Brei and Steve Polifka in that darkened room, lights falling upon Joni's shoulders, as they should be. The audience was hushed and electric all at once. We knew..oh g-d we just knew we were about to witness something incredibly powerful and could barely contain ourselves. I am sure that all of our collective positive energy helped Joni to make that decision. Imagine our excitement about to burst like overfilled balloons when she asked us if she should play? A nice thought, I sincerely hope that Joni, beloved Joni did feel the love and admiration we have for her. A precious, special moment. ******* close your eyes and remember remember that very first time you ever heard Joni it took your breathe away stopped you....no, deeper than that riveted you in your tracks you could not believe how a human voice could reach down so deep inside you touch your very soul you wondered who she was and where she came from and how she knew you oh yes she knew you from the way she sang from the way she touched those keys or strings with the tips of her fingers oh yes you knew in that moment you knew from the way her words gave voice to yours breaking your silence finally close your eyes and remember those angst filled days and how joni became the very thing that saved you ****** It was a Sunday night many years ago now. I was working as a volunteer at the local telephone distress centre...doing what I love to do, help others through their problems. Walk inside my memory, go up that set of old wooden stairs at the back of this beautiful and ancient Anglican church in my home town. Find me sitting there, waiting for the phone to ring. As you listen with me to the local FM radio station...you hear DJ Terry Williams say he has something new to share. The chords break free and swirl around the room and your eyes fill with tears as you hear your 'self' within the words. Oh sweet memory. now tell me yours. Mags feeling the snow falling on cedars ;-) - -- it's a miracle - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 07:56:15 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni Mags and Brian you guys are too much!! This is soooo wonderful!! How lucky that the two of you met and were able to hit it off and discuss Joni. Can life be better than this?!! I'm leaving town for a few days so I've printed this out to take with me. More on this later...... Thanks for sharing, Bree > >Brian and I are sitting here trying to figure out a >way to articulate that moment, those feelings which >were stirred up when we saw Joni walk across the stage >in Toronto this past fall, knowing we were about to >hear her play the piano for the first time in many, >many years. > >I did a little piece of writing about it, albeit raw >and rough, it comes closer to that moment than what I >have been able to articulate thus far. I was >sandwiched between my Brei and Steve Polifka in that >darkened room, lights falling upon Joni's shoulders, >as they should be. The audience was hushed and >electric all at once. We knew..oh g-d we just knew we >were about to witness something incredibly powerful >and could barely contain ourselves. I am sure that all >of our collective positive energy helped Joni to make >that decision. Imagine our excitement about to burst >like overfilled balloons when she asked us if she >should play? A nice thought, I sincerely hope that >Joni, beloved Joni did feel the love and admiration >we have for her. A precious, special moment. > >******* >close your eyes and remember >remember that very first time you ever heard Joni >it took your breathe away >stopped you....no, deeper than that >riveted you in your tracks >you could not believe >how a human voice could reach down >so deep inside you >touch your very soul >you wondered who she was >and where she came from >and how she knew you >oh yes >she knew you >from the way she sang >from the way she touched those keys >or strings with the tips of her fingers >oh yes you knew >in that moment >you knew >from the way her words >gave voice to yours >breaking your silence >finally >close your eyes and remember >those angst filled days >and how joni became the very thing that saved you >****** > > >It was a Sunday night many years ago now. I was >working as a volunteer at the local telephone distress >centre...doing what I love to do, help others through >their problems. Walk inside my memory, go up that set >of old wooden stairs at the back of this beautiful and >ancient Anglican church in my home town. Find me >sitting there, waiting for the phone to ring. As you >listen with me to the local FM radio station...you >hear DJ Terry Williams say he has something new to >share. The chords break free and swirl around the room >and your eyes fill with tears as you hear your 'self' >within the words. Oh sweet memory. > >now tell me yours. > >Mags >feeling the snow falling on cedars ;-) > > >-- >it's a miracle >--- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 11:12:08 -0500 From: Mags Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni Bree Mcdonough wrote: > < lucky that the two of you met and were able to hit it off and discuss Joni. > Can life be better than this?!! I'm leaving town for a few days so I've > printed this out to take with me. More on this later......>> > Dear Bree.... looking so forward to hearing your story..and thanks for the kind words about Brei..he is the love of my life. We are so lucky and blessed. Everything has led us to each other...our common threads are incredible....and with Joni so much a part of 'us' too...bonus!!!!! so much to look forward to!!!! love, Mags and Brei > > > > > >Brian and I are sitting here trying to figure out a > >way to articulate that moment, those feelings which > >were stirred up when we saw Joni walk across the stage > >in Toronto this past fall, knowing we were about to > >hear her play the piano for the first time in many, > >many years. > > > >I did a little piece of writing about it, albeit raw > >and rough, it comes closer to that moment than what I > >have been able to articulate thus far. I was > >sandwiched between my Brei and Steve Polifka in that > >darkened room, lights falling upon Joni's shoulders, > >as they should be. The audience was hushed and > >electric all at once. We knew..oh g-d we just knew we > >were about to witness something incredibly powerful > >and could barely contain ourselves. I am sure that all > >of our collective positive energy helped Joni to make > >that decision. Imagine our excitement about to burst > >like overfilled balloons when she asked us if she > >should play? A nice thought, I sincerely hope that > >Joni, beloved Joni did feel the love and admiration > >we have for her. A precious, special moment. > > > >******* > >close your eyes and remember > >remember that very first time you ever heard Joni > >it took your breathe away > >stopped you....no, deeper than that > >riveted you in your tracks > >you could not believe > >how a human voice could reach down > >so deep inside you > >touch your very soul > >you wondered who she was > >and where she came from > >and how she knew you > >oh yes > >she knew you > >from the way she sang > >from the way she touched those keys > >or strings with the tips of her fingers > >oh yes you knew > >in that moment > >you knew > >from the way her words > >gave voice to yours > >breaking your silence > >finally > >close your eyes and remember > >those angst filled days > >and how joni became the very thing that saved you > >****** > > > > > >It was a Sunday night many years ago now. I was > >working as a volunteer at the local telephone distress > >centre...doing what I love to do, help others through > >their problems. Walk inside my memory, go up that set > >of old wooden stairs at the back of this beautiful and > >ancient Anglican church in my home town. Find me > >sitting there, waiting for the phone to ring. As you > >listen with me to the local FM radio station...you > >hear DJ Terry Williams say he has something new to > >share. The chords break free and swirl around the room > >and your eyes fill with tears as you hear your 'self' > >within the words. Oh sweet memory. > > > >now tell me yours. > > > >Mags > >feeling the snow falling on cedars ;-) > > > > > >-- > >it's a miracle > >--- > > > > _~O > > / /\_, > > ___/\ > > /_ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:26:09 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section onthe JMDL site >Bob and everyone,has this guy got his facts mixed up? I can't imagine Joni > > lecturing to her fans about paying closer attention to her lyrics. It > > doesn't ring true. > >it is true. Don't know the concert or when but she did tell her audience >off for >not listening. > >bw >colin Say it ain't so. Lecturing the audience about her lyrics? Any articles to point to? Bree _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:37:08 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings (NJC) Hell, that's an interesting challenge you've set! If anyone can do it, i bet Mark E can! >I'll pick up on Kakki's point though, and ask if anyone can name a movie >that has COMPLETELY captured the essence of a novel of this length? I almost said The Color Purple, but i read teh book about six years ago and can't quite rememebr if the film is true to the book. It's certainly true to the *spirit* of the book. Hell, do movie versions of plays count? IF so, then i think the movei Titus is a brilliant adaptation of Shakespeares Titus Andronicus; though the whole point is how different the movie is while remaining within the confines of the original script. I'll add that i loved the movei Delores Claiborne, not just because it brought together two of my favourite actresses and the wonderful Christopher Plummer, but because the atmosphere was perfect! Not quite the book, but still great! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:04:16 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: re:top ten of 2001 - njc in no particular order: Bjork- Vespertine Rufus Wainwright- Poses Radiohead- Amnesiac- STILL ISN'T AS GOOD AS KID A Bob Dylan- Love and Theft Rotten Apples- Smashing Pumpkins greatest hits Belle and Sebastian- Sing Jonathan David (ok, so it's not an album:-) The Strokes- Is This It Dave Matthews- Everday Weezer= Weezer Songcatcher- OST GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:21:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Re Books NJC - --- mike pritchard wrote: I use the English > title of OHYOS in order to avoid getting into > (excuse the phrase) Cien Anos > territory again. Quite right. I can't think of anyone who needs that many! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 10:35:22 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni > now tell me yours. > > Mags I was a freshman and Wendy was a senior, but we hit it off famously and became fast friends at college in Northern California during the early 80s. She was brilliant, funny, well-read and a talented photographer. A renaissance woman if ever I knew one. I revered and admired her and she knew it. Kindly, she was nurturing and gentle with my love. Going to her room was like visiting a sage in her study, but with a bohemian twist. She had an exquisite album collection and a plethora of delightful toys and whatnot that she took pleasure in entertaining me with: her Pez dispenser collection, a small but distinguished little library, smooth wooden boxes of all shapes and sizes containing earthly delights, some decorated with tiger's eye, amethyst or mother of pearl. One night she might show me some of her candid photographs of children in El Salvador, on another she'd read me letters she had written to lovers who had broken her heart, on yet another she would light candles and incense and read to me from Sylvia Plath, Anais Nin or Hermann Hesse. I remember coming to see her one time and she opened the door, looked at me with mock seriousness and said: "One question, mister. Water colors or finger paints?" I laughed, but I still have the water color canvas we collaborated on that evening. Sometimes she'd produce one of the wooden boxes from behind a tapestry with a glint in her eye, as if something wonderful was about to happen. She's open the box and say "smell this" and, depending on her mood, or the alignment of the stars, I might be smelling sinsimilla, saffron, myrrh or some rare aromatic potpourri. Things my olfactory sense had never experienced before. Fragrances that imprint themselves on your mind and are ever associated with a time, place or person. In some cases all three. One night she said "Close your eyes, open your mouth and stick out your tongue." She gently placed an exotic raspberry tasting candy directly on my taste buds. A tingle ran from my head, down my spine and twinkled my toes. I said,"Ummm." . She just smiled. She had gotten them in France, she said, then added matter-of-factly "they're magic." Before I could ask her what she meant by that, she took my hand and said "Come on, it's raining, let's take a walk." We walked arm and arm around campus in the drizzle, she pointed out that the eucalyptus trees were breathing and I'd be damned if they didn't appear to be. We found ourselves at a garden where there were a number of Rodin sculptures and she told me sad stories about of the subjects of each one as I marveled at their beauty and ran my hands across their wet smoothness. I was getting emotional and my sensory perceptions were oddly heightened, but all in a good way. We made our way back to the dorm, jumping in puddles along the way, singing "I Love to Walk in the Rain" from a Shirley Temple movie we had both seen independently, and we laughed till we cried at the fact that we both remembered the lyrics so well. Wendy's room was toasty warm upon our return, somehow. She lit candles all around the room and incense, too. She had one of those little red kettles that you plug in to heat water and made chamomile tea that we drank from oversized, hand-painted ceramic mugs while kicking back on her futon. She turned to me suddenly, like she had just had an epiphany, and just looked at me, eye to eye for what seemed like a long time. She was smiling mysteriously, like the Mona Lisa or Buddha, and seemed to be sort of sizing me up to see if I was worthy of what she was contemplating. Finally, she got up and went over the wooden crates that housed her album collection, alphabetically. She found what she was looking for, then carefully reached in with her fingertips and slid the record out of its protective sleeve. In the candlelight I could only make out a dark album cover with a blurry blue figure of a woman's face on the cover. She was handling the disc like some kind of precious heirloom though, holding it between her palms only along the edges. She put it on the turntable and cleaned it with one of those velvet swab things after putting a few drops of something in a red plastic bottle on it. She gingerly dropped the needle on the record than hurried back to be by my side. She held my hand with both of hers. The beauty of the sounds that came out of her speakers astounded me. I listened closely to the lyrics of the first song and was profoundly moved, almost to tears, like I had been while experiencing the Rodin sculptures. I was absorbed and enthralled, and was hearing music that had a visceral, emotional effect on me like no music ever had before, like I felt when smelling Wendy's myrrh. I sat rapt for the whole album side, then begged to hear the other. Wendy must've seen the amazement and wonder written on my face after the last lingering note of "The Last Time I Saw Richard" and pre-empted my inevitable questions. Joni Mitchell, she said. Blue. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:35:45 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: how small is your world? NJC - --- Gertus@aol.com wrote:> > I live about 6 miles from the Kent border. Don't > know of any Actons but it's > a pretty big county. > sure it is, and even though my grandmother came from a large family (as far as I'm aware), I think a lot of them left for Canada, the U.S., Australia - they're probably all over the world. I do know the place she came from was quite small, just a farming village, really (her parents were farmers) and that my Dad visited the last time he was in England, maybe about five years ago and that he told me the name of the place, but I can never remember it - it's not something you'd normally hear about since it's so tiny. I'm sure my Aunt Betty (my Dads's sister in Montreal) would know and I owe her a phone call anyway, so I'll check. Once my parents were travelling in Europe and a guy in the Italian Alps, finding out they were from Canada, wanted to know if they knew his brother - turns out the brother lived in Vancouver, kind of a stretch from Toronto! On a different note, when I was in Topsfield this year, I stopped Sunday morning in a small coffee shop where a number of people were coming and going. There was a woman who came in who looked *exactly* like one of my mother's sisters, except that her jaw was shaped a bit different. When she talked, she even talked like some of my mother's family - some of them (including my Aunt Monica, the one this woman looked like) and my mother had a bit of a slur in their speech - if you didn't know better, you might think they were a bit drunk. Anyway, this woman had that same kind of speech and her voice could have been one of my aunts'. The only thing different was, of course, the New England accent. I wanted to ask her if she knew where her ancestors were from, but I didn't do it and now i'm sorry. I did hear her talking with some other old fella about church and mass, so they'd be Catholic, probably Irish (the look of my mother's family was so Irish, it's almost a cliche). And the kinds of things they were talking about were so much like the way my mother and her sisters used to talk (which is one of the reasons I didn't want to talk to her - I can't explain, but they were often a bit petty about things, a bit prim, like anyone who didn't do things *their* way was just plain stupid). We're not sure where in Ireland they originated, going a long way back, because even my great grandparents were born in Canada and we're not sure when the family first came over from Ireland, but likely during the famine. On that side, there were McGuires, Merrimans (doesn't sound very Irish to me), Powers and a few others - my Dad had written out a bit of a family tree that my stepmother gave me a year or so ago (after Dad died) that I'm going to follow up on and share with my brother and sisters. Same thing on my Dad's side - his father was born in Newfoundland (which wasn't actually part of Canada back then) and the records were lost when the church in St. John's burned down. His side is most likely Scottish. So the only one I know for sure is my grandmother McKay (Acton). ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:00:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Books and movies njc Happy Sunday Morning. I don't know if Fannie is a lesbian but she lives in my town...though I have never met her. I, too, loved this movie & bought it on video at the recommendation of my son who told me that I would really like it...he was right. I never read the book & didn't realize that the women were lesbians but it makes more sense now as the movie only hinted at it. >>>Lol,entertaining myself. This may seem like a silly question, but I have always wondered,is Fannie Flagg a lesbian? Not that this has been on top of the list, but just curious. I didn't read the book,but thought the movie was great. Bree<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:57:46 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni The first time I heard Joni would have been in 1969 shortly after Clouds was released. Our family had recently moved to the Toronto area from small-town Pembroke, Ontario. I was 12 when we moved and I felt uprooted. Puberty/adolescence is probably not a good time to move from the town you've spent most of your life in to a completely new, bit city. I was a bit immature, that is, compared to the "city" kids. We moved in mid-summer and I started Grade 7 that fall and the kids in my class all seemed so grownup. They were interested in boys, I was afraid of them. They were wearing makeup and going to make-out parties in the garage near some townhouses. I didn't think I had anything in common with them. Over the course of the next three years, because we were in a new subdivision that was growing by leaps and bounds, I went to about five different schools, as they kept building new schools and changing the boundaries. Or, the new school wasn't quite finished on time, so we spent part of the year being bussed to another school, where we had temporary classrooms in the gym. Two schools each in both Grades 7 and 8. Then, I started highschool. All my classmates from Grade 8 were going to the public highschool, but my parents wanted us all to go to Catholic schools, so once again, I started highschool not knowing a darn person. Needless to say, I was a wreck - I'm not a really outgoing person at the best of times so put adolescent angst on top of that, and I felt like biggest freak in history. Somewhere in that time - I guess if it was 1969, I would have been 16 (for some reason, I always thought it was earlier than that), a friend of ours from our old hometown came to visit and she told me about Joni Mitchell. I was imagining she'd be some country and western type artist - which is what I figured anyone Canadian would be (Canadians of a certain age would probably get this, the rest of you, maybe not!) but I bought Clouds without having heard her first, took it home, put it on the record player and.... I was in love, I had found my idol, the person who understood my soul and lifted me out of the gloom (temporarily anyway!) Joni became my goddess - I wanted to be just like her. I wanted to play her songs on the guitar and I wanted hair just like hers (with the help of Summer Blonde, I got as close as I could). The beauty of discovering an artist not at the very beginning is that you can buy their older albums too, so it's kind of like Christmas every day for a while - I just had to go out and get the first one (STAS, Joni Mitchell, whatever you want to call it.) I was in Joni heaven. Years later, still a freak but fairly comfortable with it, she still lifts me up and inspires me. Yet, I still haven't listed to Joni this year and I guess I should because I'm feeling way too melancholy lately (it's winter, it's dark, I owe lots of money to lots of people, and we're all too friggin' gloomy in my family - resolution for this year: have some fun!) Sometimes Joni makes me feel really good and positive; other times, she makes me cry (which is good, because then you get it all out). It's funny - I'm not sure whether I'd have felt the same about Joni if I had discovered her at a later age. I'm sure part of the devotion (that's all I can call it) that I have to her relates to my age and personal circumstance at the time. I have since discovered many talented singers/songwriters (many, thanks to this list) but no one ever does it for me like Joni. Ahh, first love! - --- Mags wrote: > close your eyes and remember > remember that very first time you ever heard Joni > it took your breathe away > stopped you....no, deeper than that > riveted you in your tracks > you could not believe > how a human voice could reach down > so deep inside you > touch your very soul ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:59:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: remember the first time you heard Joni - --- Mags wrote: > thanks > for the kind words about > Brei..he is the love of my life. We are so lucky and > blessed. Everything has > led us to each other...our common threads are > incredible....and with Joni so > much a part of 'us' too...bonus!!!!! so much to look > forward to!!!! > Mags'n'Brei, you are so lucky to have found each other. (I'm jealous.) ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:03:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: movies & accents njc We saw A Beautiful Mind last night. This was a really good movie. I thought that Russell Crowe did a very good southern accent & the aging makeup (for him, not his wife) was the best I have ever seen- totally real. Ron Howard did a marvelous job at letting the audience see the world through Nash's eyes (I don't want to be more specific as this is a critical part of the story development & I don't want to give anything away)...its really well done. A great story. PS, Clark Gable was EXACTLY how I imagined Rhett Butler in the book...amazing. WOOF indeed! Mark wrote>>>I've also heard that Leslie Howard didn't want to make GWTW, didn't read even bother to read the book and made absolutely no attempt to cover up his British accent. Vivian Leigh did a pretty darn good job of sounding like a southern belle but every now & then her British sort of crept through. It's pretty hard to be consistent with an accent that you weren't raised with. For Meryl Streep, however, no problem!<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:06:35 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Books and movies njc - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Happy Sunday Morning. I don't know if Fannie is a > lesbian but she lives in > my town...though I have never met her. Well, you're just going to have to walk right up to her and ask her, aren't you! Funny thing about sexuality. I think it was Ron who mentioned it - you can have whatever kind of violence you want in a movie, and it probably rates a PG rating (unless it's really graphic). Put even a little sex in, unless it's just kissing or a possibly-sexual remark, and the rating changes. Have two women or two men kissing, and it's probably restricted. What a weird world we live in! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:34:33 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: comefuckmepumps hey guys...just a little post to clarify the reference to " come fuck me pumps. " of course it is obvious they are an invitation. they are of the spiked variety and usually very high. i always picture them in red, although i'm sure any color will do ! later... jonily yours ( this is the joni content, ) warren keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:43:41 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: movies & accents njc > PS, Clark Gable was EXACTLY how I imagined Rhett Butler in the > book...amazing. WOOF indeed! I remember the first time I read the book I could hear him saying all of Rhett's dialogue in my head. It was almost like the character was written for him. Gable was very insecure about playing the part because of the high expectations that fans had. The novel was very popular and there was a lot of anticipation for the movie when it came out. Much like LOtR! I waited & waited for the re-release of GWTW after I'd read the book. It was about 1968 when they decided they would 'stretch' the film & make a 70 millimeter wide-screen movie out of it. All they did was blow it up & hack off the top & the bottom, totally destroying any kind of visual composition the film had. It wasn't until I saw a restored print some time in the 80s, I think, that I came to fully appreciate the movie. The term motion 'picture' really meant something in classic Hollywood movies. A well-crafted film had every shot composed so that images, characters, set-pieces, etc. were balanced and made into a 'picture' that was visually interesting. One of my favorites from GWTW is the scene where Prissy goes to find Rhett at Belle Watling's, just before the burning of Atlanta. We see Prissy down on the street from Rhett's perspective, looking out of a second story window. There is a street lamp in the upper left corner of the screen and Prissy is down in the lower right. It enhances the feeling of looking out of the window, down into the street and it balances the shot at the same time. Shots where there are groups of actors are all carefully arranged, almost like they are sitting for a family portrait. Well-made modern widescreen movies do have the same attention to composition but it's not always as evident. I love those old movies! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:46:00 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Books and movies njc Put even a little sex > in, unless it's just kissing or a possibly-sexual > remark, and the rating changes. Have two women or two > men kissing, and it's probably restricted. With two women, as long as they're fully clothed and not doing anything else, you can probably get a PG-13. But if it's two men, it's at least an R. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:53:26 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: comef**kmepumps > hey guys...just a little post to clarify the reference to " come fuck me > pumps. " of course it is obvious they are an invitation. they are of the > spiked variety and usually very high. i always picture them in red, > although i'm sure any color will do ! later... I always think of them as black and on Joan Crawford's feet. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 15:04:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: comef**kmepumps - njc Mark or Travis wrote: > > hey guys...just a little post to clarify the reference to " come fuck me > > pumps. " of course it is obvious they are an invitation. they are of the > > spiked variety and usually very high. i always picture them in red, > > although i'm sure any color will do ! later... > > I always think of them as black and on Joan Crawford's feet. > > Mark E. You win renewal of your GayCard for one year. Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:19:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Books and movies njc I so agree...when I was renting videos or going to movies with my teenaged son, I found the R movies to be much more palatable than the PG ones... >>>Funny thing about sexuality. I think it was Ron who mentioned it - you can have whatever kind of violence you want in a movie, and it probably rates a PG rating (unless it's really graphic). Put even a little sex in, unless it's just kissing or a possibly-sexual remark, and the rating changes. Have two women or two men kissing, and it's probably restricted. What a weird world we live in!<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 12:23:09 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: comef**kmepumps - njc > You win renewal of your GayCard for one year. Well that's a relief! ;-) Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:13:53 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings (NJC) Paz wrote: > John Irving is one of my other faves besides Tom Robbins and Garp was one of > the best novels ever written. I thought they did a great job bringing that > to the screen and Robin Williams was brilliant as Garp. I also loved John > Lithgow as Roberta Muldoon. > > Paz Me too Michael. I loved Roberta. What a woman. Also have often dreamed of living in that large house on the beach, filled with people of my choice. Imagine. Nirvana. That house, the beach, and the members of the JMDL. If only it could be that good. mack > > NP-Behind Blue Eyes-Pete Townsend Demo Take 2 > > on 1/3/02 10:36 PM, Rick and Susan at rnsc@shaw.ca wrote: > > >> From: Murphycopy@aol.com > >> I don't know about 'COMPLETE justice', Hell, but for me, "Being There" and > >> "The Godfather" are the only two books that immediately come to mind as > >> having been made into films that are as good or better than their sources. > > > > I would add The English Patient to this list. > > > > Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Books and movies njc Bree asked: is Fannie Flagg a lesbian? Out of my recent quiet mode to field this question. That's the rumor Bree, but if they haven't had the pleasure to let me know first-hand, we can't be Absolutely positive. LOL! My guess is yes, Fannie is a lady's lady. Adding to the discussion of books as movies, the first one that popped into my head was also "Gone with the Wind." I also loved "Fried Green Tomatoes, Shawshank Redemption & The Color Purple." I thought for example, "Silence of the Lambs," although a pretty good movie, over simplified some of the story. I guess to appease the general public & their lack of focus or attention span. I think that happens a lot. Peace Susan Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:08:50 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Books and movies njc "To Kill A Mockingbird" Loved the movie but the book was too good. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 17:56:15 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re:The World According To... (NJC) OH MY GAWD Mack! With Ashara playing Jenny Fields. Aghhhhhhhhhhh! Paz on 1/6/02 1:13 PM, mack watson-bush at courtandspark@earthlink.net wrote: > > Me too Michael. I loved Roberta. What a woman. Also have often dreamed of > living in that large house on the beach, filled with people of my choice. > Imagine. Nirvana. That house, the beach, and the members of the JMDL. If > only it could be that good. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:29:46 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Re:The World According To... (NJC) Michael. Thank You. thank you. I laughed and laughed when I read that post. And I needed it. I smile still. yes, Ashara would be perfect. What fun we would all have. I can see it. I can dream, can't i? OH MY GAWD Mack! With Ashara playing Jenny Fields. Aghhhhhhhhhhh! > > Paz > > on 1/6/02 1:13 PM, mack watson-bush at courtandspark@earthlink.net wrote: > > > > > > Me too Michael. I loved Roberta. What a woman. Also have often dreamed of > > living in that large house on the beach, filled with people of my choice. > > Imagine. Nirvana. That house, the beach, and the members of the JMDL. If > > only it could be that good. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 01:13:05 +0000 From: colin Subject: Bush Fires NJC I was wondering how our Aussie friends were doing, especially those in Sydney. It is very serious out there. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:34:20 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Bush Fires NJC In a message dated 1/6/02 8:10:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: << I was wondering how our Aussie friends were doing, especially those in Sydney. It is very serious out there. >> ME TOO!!! John Low, are you doing okay? I saw that there were some fires in the Blue Mountains which is near you. Hope you Vanessa and the kids are okay!1 Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:36:13 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re:The World According To... (NJC) Paz wrote: OH MY GAWD Mack! With Ashara playing Jenny Fields. Aghhhhhhhhhhh! Then Mack replied: Ashara would be perfect. What fun we would all have. I can see it. I can dream, can't i? And I say: No need to dream it, Mack! Jonifest 2002 will be here before you know it. Also, I think we should buy a Jennie Fields nurse uniform for Ashara to wear at Jonifest. Why haven't we noticed this Jennie/Ashara connection until now? Doh! --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #12 **************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?