From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #5 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, January 3 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 005 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: January 3 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: January 3 [les@jmdl.com] 1/1/02 in NYC [long][NJC] [dsk ] Re: puppiesNJC [dsk ] today's report NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Lord of the Rings NJC [Deb Messling ] re - Joni For Kids [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: NJC Book NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: 1/1/02 in NYC [long][NJC] [colin ] Re: puppiesNJC [colin ] Re: puppiesNJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section on the JMDL site [SCJoniGuy@aol] NJC Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke + nick drake [SCJoniGuy@aol.c] Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: NJC Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke +nick drake [colin ] RE: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) [Nuriel Tobias ] Lord of the Rings (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Lord of the Rings (NJC) [Gerald Notaro ] Re: NJC Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) [FMYFL@aol.com] Harlem in Havana ["William Waddell" ] Woody Mitchell & Joni Allen ["William Waddell" ] Re: NJC Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: today's report NJC [dsk ] Re: NJC Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jimo'rourke +nick drake [colin ] Re: NJC If Joni became Jewish [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #4 [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: NJC + Woody Allen [Alison E ] Re: your fiurst 2002 joni [WARREN901@aol.com] DED redux ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni meets Oscar Wilde ["William Waddell" ] Re: NJC Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) [slarty ] Re: The holly & the IV [slarty ] Re: NJC + Woody Allen [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] A Birthday with Joni [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: Deprivation Challenge! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Colored (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Harlem in Havana [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:01:24 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: January 3 On January 3 this article was published: 2001: "Joni Mitchell and Impressionists attract Saskatchewan gallery-goers" - CBC Radio (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/010103cbc.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:01:24 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: January 3 On January 3 in Joni Mitchell History: 1996: CBS-TV airs a one-hour "CBS This Morning" special, including an interview and live performance from Joni. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:21:54 -0500 From: dsk Subject: 1/1/02 in NYC [long][NJC] Last Sunday a temporary viewing ramp was opened so people could look at the site where the World Trade Center had been. New Year's Day was a work day for me. After work I walked the few blocks over to where the ramp was and then, trying to fight the obsession to see this site now (it's too cold, it's too sad, it's a 3-hour wait), walked many blocks away to the end of the line and joined in. It had been 16 weeks since the attack and in spite of the cold and long wait, it seemed a fitting way to say goodbye and start the new year. It was the second time I'd gone to the site. After the attacks, for about six weeks I literally could not look to where the towers had been, and the times I tried would instantly start crying. Such avoidance couldn't go on forever so one afternoon I walked over there after work to face what had happened. Barricades were up around the site so people could only see it from a block away, looking between buildings. It was about 5 pm, with the sun going down and reflecting off the enormous upright piece of the north tower facade. It was an eerie sight, a glowing war zone still smoking from the hidden fires. The leaning facade with its arches looked like a fractured cathedral. The short tower, number 5 I think, was burned with black jagged holes where the windows had been. What took my breath away was the amount of space in the sky. It was so empty. It was such a huge empty space. There were a lot of silent people there on Broadway looking west. There were a lot of policeman and national guard soldiers and dust still on the streets and all over the buildings, even after six weeks. Yesterday, New Year's Day, there were still a lot of policeman, and this time thousands of people, many of them in groups and talking and there was mostly curiosity rather than sadness. From what I could tell a lot of the people were from out of town and many had never seen the buildings in person. So, it was all rather strange standing in line, trying to keep warm in the 20 degree weather with a wind coming off the Hudson River, and listening to lots of different languages and families and children out for, what? a good time? I don't know. It was still a very sad place to me. Those were not buildings; those were thousands of people. It took about three hours to get to the ramp, with a hot dog from a vendor on the way, and close to the ramp a look at the huge collection of gifts and notes and pictures of people who had died with "I miss you" or "happy 24th birthday" or "I love you" notes written next to their photo. My tears froze. My feet got cramps from the cold even with my winter boots on. It was helpful emotionally to see messages from people all over the world, messages of condolence and hope and togetherness. There were strings of origami paper cranes sent from Japan, thousands of them in different brilliant colors and patterns. They were like flowers. I'd read that cranes represent peace and good will in Japanese tradition. They really were quite beautiful. Then the line went around the corner and I was on the long wooden ramp, almost to the viewing place but there was still a wait. The ramp goes by the graveyard behind St. Paul's Chapel, and how eerie it was looking over at gravestones that are probably hundreds of years old, leaning and scarred, with leafless trees over them. There were shards of thin metal caught in the tree limbs, hanging in clumps like macabre wind chimes, making a dull nonresonant sound when the wind blew. The grass of the graveyard was still coated in ash. It was about 7 pm and dark except for the reflected light from the site. And then, finally, I was standing at the end of the ramp and looking over Church Street to the site. It's so vast. The buildings across the site were so far away. Some of them were completely covered with netting. At the top of one building hung a huge American flag. A policeman on the ramp said the workmen were recovering a policeman's body but the group was so far away it wasn't possible to see what was happening or even to see any individual people. The scene was mostly reddish dirt and massive metal beams standing upright and leaning every which way and bright lights and machinery in a huge, huge space. I could easily picture the towers still there, the cars on busy Church Street, thousands of people crossing each other's paths with everyone in a hurry, the farmer's market carts on the plaza next to Church Street, the bright red Alexander Calder sculpture big enough to stand under, the temporary stage on the plaza and chairs for the audience where I'd gone with friends to see different lunchtime shows in the warm weather and taken visitors from out of town. Goodbye to all who died here. You will never be forgotten. You are a part of us all now. We weren't allowed to stay long on the ramp and since I couldn't feel my feet anymore was ready to go someplace warm. What a strange time the past 16 weeks has been. For months I would cry at the slightest provocation, the briefest memory, and for a while couldn't sleep at all, and couldn't get the pictures out of my head, including the one of looking out the office window on a sunny morning and not being able to see anything because of the thick smoke; it was instantly nighttime. Until a few weeks ago, the site was still burning and that smell was a constant reminder of what had happened. Things are getting better, though. As everyone else has, I've gotten used to the barricades at the subway station and putting all bags through the airport-type x-ray machines in the lobby of the building where I work. About a month ago I realized when I got off the train in my neighborhood that I no longer automatically thought "thank God I got out of the subway without anything happening". I've returned to expecting to be able to get home ok. I don't cry as often or as much. I've even found other work, in midtown so I can walk there or have a very short subway or bus ride. There will be an overlap in jobs for a while but in a few months I won't have to go all the way downtown anymore. In general, New Yorkers are getting back up to speed, with the help of all the tourists adding their energy. There's more gentleness now. People look directly at each other more, even in casual contacts. There's an awareness that none of us may be here tomorrow so be grateful that we're all here now. It's always possible as an individual to be harmed or killed or not see another day; now we all know it could happen to thousands of us at one time. So, that's making a difference in the way people are treating each other. It's subtle, and there's still snappiness here and there, but there is a change. New Yorkers are intensely individualistic; now, I think, we're realizing we need each other. I still can't comprehend any person being so cruel as to kill thousands of people and take pleasure in it, and what makes it even worse is using fellow innocent people as weapons. That, more than a realization of lack of control, is what bothers me the most, that anyone could be so cruel. I know horrors have been committed throughout history. Reading history is one thing; 16 weeks ago is something else, for me anyway. So I've said my symbolic goodbyes and am hopeful that 2002 will be a year of growth rather than destruction, and joy rather than tears, and love rather than indifference. Hope is good. I'm sticking with it. My first Joni of the year is For the Roses, which I haven't listened to (except in my head) for years. I'm especially appreciating the last song. Ludwig is going to have to share the "fight back! keep going!" part of this tune with me for a while. Debra Shea NP: Judgement of the Moon and Stars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:27:25 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: puppiesNJC colin wrote: > > It is almost 6.30am and I am going to bed. > After a 36hr labour Martha has had 3 girls and 3 boys. > ...cos it just astounds me-birth. It makes me think of evolution versus a > designer. Both ideas are mind boggling, tho I cannot understand how such > a complicated process evolved. But who designed the designer? Good question. I don't have an answer at the moment for that one. I'm so glad to hear that Martha and all the puppies are ok. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 05:43:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: today's report NJC a day of great tension as bombs were found and dismantled in two public buildings yesterday. a few minutes ago, the dogs in my neighborhood were brusquely awakened by gunshot. they've been barking and howling for a while now. these sudden attacks have become customary as many in the population seek ways to denounce newly appointed president [appointed by whom?] duhalde. the peso has begun its free fall. the currency devaluated some 40% yesterday, which roughly means that your money today buys a little more than half of what it could buy a few hours ago. medicines and other dollar-denominated products are conspicuous by their absence. all the dvd players, all the computer supplies and, more important yet, all the imported stuff that we depended on after our national industry was cannibalized by the overvalued peso have vanished from the store shelves. everybody is holding on to whatever tangible assets he or she has: now that our currency has finally begun its way to the twilight zone, a cd or a washing machine has become a precious object. thanks for listening, dear family. wally ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 06:17:46 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings NJC Well, in my opinion, that makes the movie *exactly* like the book. It's been many years since I read the books, but I recall that they were the most richly imagined and poorly plotted books I had ever read. Perhaps there was character development in the fiction; I don't remember, but I do remember that, having set up this magical kingdom, the plot was just one battle and harrowing escape after another. At 06:20 PM 1/2/02 -0800, you wrote: >Yes, the sets were beautiful, the special effects amazing, but it was all >about action & no character development & barely even any story at all ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 03:56:35 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: re - Joni For Kids Thank you, Catherine, Rose, Bob :) The songs you mentioned - 'Morning Morgantwon', 'Circle Game', 'Big Yellow Taxi' - are great for kids. I think they'll also like 'Chelsea Morning', 'Shiny Toys', 'Dancing Clown', and for the grown-up feeling hidden inside those kids maybe 'Michael From Mountains', 'All I Want', 'Dreamland' and well so many others. I wonder. What do you think would have happened if Joni, the same Joni as we know her now, had the chance to listen to Joni Mitchell songs when she was a child?... Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:43:04 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Book NJC The Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux A Ladder of Years by Anne Tyler Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe by Fanny Flagg Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:03:40 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: 1/1/02 in NYC [long][NJC] dsk wrote: > Last Sunday a temporary viewing ramp was opened so people could look at > the site where the World Trade Center had been. Thank you very mcuh for sharing this Debra. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:04:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: puppiesNJC > Good question. I don't have an answer at the moment for that one. That's alright Debra, no one does! > > I'm so glad to hear that Martha and all the puppies are ok. yep all is well. > > > Debra Shea - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:30:04 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: puppiesNJC In a message dated 1/3/02 8:02:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > yep all is well. > Send me a pic of the pups :~) ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:41:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in fiction again & a suggestion for a new section on the JMDL site Bob, This is a very cool idea and a resource that is currently lacking. I would say that the page should include: Joni mentions (or mentions of Joni's songs or paintings) in books; Joni mentions (or her music or paintings) used in films. This should, in my opinion, include when her songs are performed by others as well. (But it's just my opinion.) I can give you a pretty good head start on Joni songs in movies, both by Joni and covers. Just when you thought the JMDL couldn't get any better! :~) SCJoniBob NP: Elvis C, "Sweet Dreams" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 08:55:54 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke + nick drake <> I'm with you, Owen...Woody is an incredible writer, and can toggle between the insanely comic and the poignant. The only thing that nauseates me about his recent work is when he insists on writing himself as a romantic lead, it only makes him look even more like a pedophile. Favorite Allen films: - -Manhattan - -Annie Hall - -Sleeper - -Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex But were Afraid to Ask - -(I forget the title, but Martin Landau was in it) Bob NP: Elvis C, "Good Year For The Roses" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 06:22:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) Hello Les, hello everyone, Les, I was wondering, is there a list with all JMDL folks email addresses? Sometimes, when i want to write to a friend from the list and i don't know or remember his/her email address i have to wail untill she/he posts etc'. So i was wondering if we have an official contact list. Thank you, Les :) Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:12:10 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke +nick drake > it only makes him look even more like a pedophile. I have never enjoyed Allen films nor do i like him. What he did as regards his stepdaughter is appalling and certainly way over the boundery of decency and health, as well as being abusive. However, it does not make him a peodophile. Sunni or Sunyi or whatever her name is, was not a child. It is important to note the difference. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:17:23 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) (Arrgh... JC or NJC? It concerns the whole list so, with my flameproof trousers on...) I think this is a somewhat dangerous plan - simply because a list of several hundred working e-mail addresses is far too valuable a prize for the e-mail spammers of this world. I reckon the chances of this list leaking out (via the web site or some other way) are just too great. Nuriel: I know what you mean about losing addresses, but you can deal with this other ways: add people to your contact list or address book, or keep a few months worth of list posts in a separate folder and search that for the person you want. (And I know my name isn't Les :) - --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On > Behalf Of Nuriel Tobias > Sent: 03 January 2002 14:23 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) > > > Hello Les, hello everyone, > > Les, > > I was wondering, is there a list with all JMDL folks email > addresses? Sometimes, when i want to write to a friend from > the list and i don't know or remember his/her email address i > have to wail untill she/he posts etc'. So i was wondering if > we have an official contact list. > > Thank you, Les :) > > Nuriel > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! > Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:20:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jim o'rourke +nick drake <> So noted, Colin...my choice of words was poor. But as much as liked his work prior to that incident, he's always given me the creeps since. Bob NP: Elvis C, "White Knuckles" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:26:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC RE: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) <<(Arrgh... JC or NJC? It concerns the whole list so, with my flameproof trousers on...)>> But if it doesn't concern Joni, it should be marked NJC. It's as simple a litmus test as that. Although your heart is in the right place, Chris... And listening to the Jonifest CD's, the one gaping hole is the fact that one of my favorite musical moments was hearing your BOOMing bass on DJRD in Ashara's living room. Hope we can get that recorded next time around. Thankfully you did get to play with many of the folks who were recorded, and the bass is such a welcome addition!! Thankfully, none of the "Ganja Line" recordings made the set! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:08:41 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) In a message dated 1/3/2002 10:16:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, chris@secure-si.co.uk writes: > Nuriel: I know what you mean about losing addresses, but you > can deal with this other ways: add people to your contact list > or address book, or keep a few months worth of list posts > in a separate folder and search that for the person you want. > Also, you can go to the archives section of the JMDL and go through past digests to look up a person's e-mail address. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:17:52 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Deprivation Challenge! Catherine wrote: ...and I giggled. Catherine, I'm up for a wager. Who can last the longer without listening to Joni? Willy the Shake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:24:58 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) Chris wrote "JC or NJC? It concerns the whole list..." I thought of a JMDLC note, Chris...:) "I think this is a somewhat dangerous plan - simply because a list of several hundred working e-mail addresses is far too valuable a prize for the e-mail spammers of this world. I reckon the chances of this list leaking out (via the web site or some other way) are just too great." I totaly agree with you, Chris. Isn't it sad that that's the way things are? I have my address (full details) on several contact lists. Those lists are a treasure for me. I hope someone from our list could come up with an idea. I remember a member with the nick/name Azeem - he always had very good cyber-ideas and cyber-solutions. I hope he's reading this now. Maybe other members have a brilliant answer. "add people to your contact list..." Your ideas are very good, Chris. Thank you. :) Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:37:18 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Lord of the Rings (NJC) I have to disagree with Victor and Kate's opinions about the lack of character development in the movie. Just one example - the was a collective gasp of anguish from the audience that I was in when Boromir was shot. Obviously, *that* audience had found a way to relate to the characters. It must have been a terrifically hard film to make, and I think some of the action sequences went on too long - how much screen time did the cave troll get? - and one or two of the casting choices seem odd, but overall I think Jackson did an excellent job. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 11:55:21 -0500 From: Gerald Notaro Subject: Re: Lord of the Rings (NJC) Steve Dulson wrote: > I have to disagree with Victor and Kate's opinions about the > lack of character development in the movie. Just one example - > the was a collective gasp of anguish from the audience that I > was in when Boromir was shot. Obviously, *that* audience had > found a way to relate to the characters. > > It must have been a terrifically hard film to make, and I > think some of the action sequences went on too long - how > much screen time did the cave troll get? - and one or two > of the casting choices seem odd, but overall I think Jackson > did an excellent job. Have to add that I thoroughly enjoyed the movie, also. Much better than Harry Potter. Also I would strongly recommend A Beautiful Mind. I was not much of a fan of Gladiator, and thought Russell Crowes Oscar was a travesty, but is just wonderful in this movie. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:15:06 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) In a message dated 1/3/2002 9:24:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, nuriel@wowmail.com writes: > So i was wondering if we have an official contact list. > Nuriel, you can also use the member profile section of the JMDL. There are about 203 people who are in there (where's yours? :~) ), and most of them you can click on their name to get their addy. Of course I've noticed that the majority of the profile section are from members who NEVER post, so a good suggestion is to look in the archives for people who you want to add into your own personal address book. Jimmy in chilly Florida (yippee) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:32:56 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Harlem in Havana Catherine, I have succumbed. First Joni of the year - Harlem in Havana. I was looking for some Woody Allen isms. Well that's my excuse. Does anyone know which "Night Train" the band plays so snakey? Is there any documentation on who Emmy May is? No relation to Atty? Now wouldn't that be something! WtS NP - Harlem in Havannah & Her Sisters ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:20:25 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Woody Mitchell & Joni Allen So, Owen wrote; Wonders will never cease. Woody is such a fave of mine. If only Woody and Joni had collaborated we might have got "Shadows and Fog"? "Every picture has its shadows But it's theorised by several LA jerk professors that ... that there is no such thing as ... as darkness, merely a cosmic meaninglessness - next thing you know he's got his hand on your ass Blindness, blindness and sight Life is divided into the horrible and the miserable - the horrible being cripples and the blind - I dunno how they get through the day - all the rest are the miserable - so you should be thankful that you're miserable Suntans in reservation dining rooms Don't you know how bad those rays are - I mean I'm so vulnerable to UV I don't use lotion but an army bell-tent Pale miners in their lantern rays How do these guys do it - I mean ... hundreds of feet under the ground - I mean at least on the New York subway you can pick up a pastrami on rye" My analyst told Willy the Shake that I was right out of my head ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:41:10 -0000 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: paint a starry night again, man first joni of the year on an old mix tape... monologue about the difference between a painter and a performing artist... circle game... shades of scarlet conquering it sounded so sweet love that story alan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 09:40:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: NJC Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) "There are about 203 people who are in there (where's yours? :~)" Oh Jimmy, i hope it's going to be very soon that we get us a scanner here and then i'll join the gallery with a cool digi-photo. Thank you Jimmy and thank you Ashara for the archive idea. p.s. And you know, Jimmy, some of the e-mail find-outs at the gallery won't open. Guess it's cuase they're no longer members or just didn't want us to know. There is a new member named Lior and i realy wanted to have a Joni-talk with him cause i think he's the only other JMDL member from Israel, but his e-mail isn't there and he never posts. I think it's about time Joni became jewish and moved here to live in a kibutz! Love, Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:02:43 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: Helping Wally (njc) Folks, I've set up a website where you can register the things you're persuing to help Wally find a way out of Argentina. My aim is to centralise our knowledge on issues like emmigration, either to the US or elsewhere, and what progress individuals are making with job leads and so on. By doing this, we avoid duplication of effort, stimulate discussion of issues and greatly simplify Wally's life because he can get an at-a-glace view of what we're up to and have discovered. I also have latest headlines up on the site with links to other news sites. (Umm, well, "latest" depending on how often I get to update things.) There is no discussion forum in place yet, so for now, please discuss any issues on the helpwally list, subscription details below. Please have a look, although you will need to register first. Register and log in here:- http://secure-si.no-ip.com/wally/ If you have comments, ideas, or bugs, please let me know straight away! - --Chris - --- how to join the helpwally list --- I have set up an e-mail list that anyone may join to discuss ways to help Wally to leave Argentina. You can subscribe by sending an e-mail to majordomo@secure-si.co.uk with a blank subject line and the words subscribe helpwally as the only text in the message body. My list server does not allow a single-shot subscription - to prevent malicious subscription of an e-mail address by a third party. Therefore, you will get two messages back from the list server. One will just tell you the results of the message you just sent:- [ Start of e-mail ] Subject: Majordomo results >>>> subscribe helpwally **** Your request to Majordomo@secure-si.co.uk: **** **** subscribe helpwally chris@secure-si.co.uk **** **** must be authenticated. To accomplish this, another **** request must be **** sent in with an authorization key, which has been sent to: **** [ End of e-mail ] The second e-mail message is the one referred to in the message above. It'll look like this:- [Start of e-mail] Subject: Confirmation for subscribe helpwally Someone (possibly you) has requested that your email address be added to or deleted from the mailing list "helpwally@secure-si.co.uk". If you really want this action to be taken, please send the following commands (exactly as shown) back to "Majordomo@secure-si.co.uk": auth 24d16201 subscribe helpwally If you do not want this action to be taken, simply ignore this message and the request will be disregarded. If your mailer will not allow you to send the entire command as a single line, you may split it using backslashes, like so: auth 24d16201 subscribe helpwally \ [End of e-mail] You must reply to this following the above instructions carefully. Check that your e-mail program has not truncated or wrapped the line starting "auth....". If it has, make sure to use the second form of the auth command above. The only thing that needs to be in the reply is the auth command, nothing else. If you follow the instructions correctly, and send the reply, you'll be on the list. This will be confirmed by a message looking like this:- [Start of e-mail] Subject: Majordomo results: RE: Confirmation for subscribe helpwally >>>> auth 24d16201 subscribe helpwally Succeeded. >>>> [End of e-mail] You can then post by sending e-mail to helpwally@secure-si.co.uk When you reply, it works just like the regular Joni list - an ordinary reply will go to just the original e-mail sender, and reply to all must be used to get mail back to the list as a whole. If you have problems subscribing, e-mail me direct and I'll add you manually to the list, but bear in mind that might take me a while if I'm not near my computer. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 13:15:32 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: today's report NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > > a day of great tension as bombs were found and dismantled in two public > buildings yesterday. a few minutes ago, the dogs in my neighborhood were > brusquely awakened by gunshot. they've been barking and howling for a while > now. Who's shooting? The police? The military? Who's in charge of them and who are they shooting at? Are political groups protesting or is it more that angry individuals are gathering to protest? And to stay safe are people staying home all this time? No work? No school? Are you still able to work (even though it is for much less money all of a sudden)? > thanks for listening, dear family. Thanks very much for writing, Wally. From here, it's hard to grasp what's happening. Below is a news article I copied from today's NYTimes. From your point of view, is it accurate? Thinking of you and hoping that you and your country come out of this ok, and soon, Debra Shea - -------- January 3, 2002 New Argentine Leader Prepares Cross - Party Cabinet Filed at 5:05 a.m. ET BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (Reuters) - New Peronist President Eduardo Duhalde prepared on Thursday to swear in a cabinet that must appeal across party lines and win over cynical and rebellious Argentines angry over a deepening recession that has sparked bloody riots. Duhalde, a power broker in the populist wing of the Peronist Party who is the fifth president in two weeks, is plotting a possibly unpopular and painful devaluation to try and save the economy from a recession now in its fourth year. He will need to scramble all the political support he can manage. Food riots killed at least 27 people last month and Latin America's third largest economy is on the verge of the biggest debt default ever, while the country has been reeling in its worst political crisis since a 1976 military coup. Analysts say Duhalde, in power until 2003, may herald a shift to populism -- including job handouts and trade protectionism -- and an end after a decade of the local peso being fixed at one-to-one with the U.S. dollar. That would also mark an about turn to the free market policies of the last decade that made Argentina a darling of Wall Street but failed to solve rising unemployment now nearly 20 percent of the workforce. "The recipe looks difficult. We believe that the pain has just started," said IDEAglobal consultancy in a research report, adding that the new president needs domestic political support as well as international backing if he is to avoid the fate of his four predecessors. The 60-year-old former vice president, who has promised a cabinet of national unity, will be looking over his shoulder at the reaction of ordinary Argentines to his appointments after a recent history of massive protests and violent clashes. His predecessor Adolfo Rodriguez Saa, also a Peronist, was forced to resign after only a week when his cabinet appointments sparked protests by the country's middle class that criticized the naming of figures tainted with allegations of corruption. President Fernando de la Rua, who defeated Duhalde in the 1999 presidential election, was also forced to resign last month midway into his four-year term amid protests and looting. That sparked a political crisis that saw Argentina pass through three other interim presidents, including Rodriguez Saa, before an emergency session of Congress appointed Duhalde on Tuesday. NEW APPOINTMENTS Despite talk of national unity, the most important cabinet post -- the economy minister -- appears set to go to a Peronist, respected economist Jorge Remes Lenicov who was Duhalde's former provincial economy chief. Carlos Ruckauf, the Peronist governor of Buenos Aires province, will be the new foreign minister. Local media said members of the center-eft Radical Party and the leftist Frepaso, which made up De la Rua's coalition government, could also be named to the cabinet. Duhalde is expected to announce his economic plan on Friday. A Duhalde adviser told Reuters it could include a 30 to 40 percent devaluation of the peso peg, which has turned Argentina into a virtual dollar zone where most home loans and major contracts are in greenbacks. Devaluation could bankrupt millions since they would need more pesos, in which wages are paid, to cancel dollar debts. But it is also seen as possibly the only way to end a slump which has impoverished a country with the highest incomes in Latin America. Duhalde is seen as a throwback to old-fashioned Peronism, founded as a working-class movement by Juan and Eva Peron in the 1940s. It became a vehicle for free-market reforms under Carlos Menem's presidency in the 1990s. As governor, Duhalde promoted job-creation schemes and defended local industry but ran up a budget deficit and faced accusations of corruption. World markets have also had plenty of time to adjust to what has been called the best flagged crisis in history. Talk of devaluation had little impact on European and U.S. markets. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:29:10 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Re: belated merry christmas + Woody Allen + jimo'rourke +nick drake SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > So noted, Colin...my choice of words was poor. But as much as liked his work prior to that incident, he's always given me the creeps since. He always gave me the creeps! :-) > > > Bob > > NP: Elvis C, "White Knuckles" - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:36:30 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Cheryl Wheeler NJC Cheryl Wheeler fans & folk songwriters, here is some info from a music list I am on: The Intermountain Acoustic Music Association (IAMA) here in Salt Lake City is putting on, in conjunciton with the local university, a Singer-Songwriter Workshop. Here's how it works: interested folks submit their original song, plust a $10 check, postmarked by Jan. 15. A panel of judges will select five finalists. All finalists will then be able to workshop their song with Philo-recording-artist-and-very-cool songwriter Cheryl Wheeler, who'll work directly with those five on refining their songs. (Folks can also purchase tickets to watch the process, but only those five finalists will be working with Cheryl.) These five will also get to open for Cheryl at her concert the next night. Interested? Here are all the details. The workshop is happening on Friday, March 22; the concert is the following night, Saturday, March 23. All events will be happening on the University of Utah campus here in Salt Lake City. You can enter as many songs as you'd like; each should be a CD or rewound cassette with a check for $10 for each song. CDs/cassettes should be marked with your name, address, phone number, and email if available. Submissions are supposed to show the judges how you would sound live, so preference will be given to submissions featuring just voice and instrument. Submissions should be sent to LeValley Showcase, c/o IAMA, PO Box 2187, Salt Lake City, Utah 84110-2187. Checks should be made out to IAMA. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:04:47 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC If Joni became Jewish In a message dated 1/3/2002 12:42:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, nuriel@wowmail.com writes: > I think it's about time Joni became jewish and moved here to live in a > kibutz! > Nuri, you'll have to explain to me what a kibutz is, AND if Joni became Jewish she might rewrite some of her songs: "The Rabbi sat in the airport bar, he was wearing his father's yarmulka" "He comes for Conversion" or how about "Yvette in Yiddish" I'm sure there are others, and I hope I have not offended anyone at all. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:08:57 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2002 #4 Catherine, You are much like me. Even though we both love her more than words can say, we don't play her CD's as one might expect from a Jonilista. Yet, when I hear or think of a lyric from one of her songs, (usually Hejeira-sp? or Amelia) it plays over and over in my head. I especially like when someone quotes her on the list. I don't need the CD because her music is already in my head. Sherelle In a message dated 01/03/2002 12:03:53 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 23:17:01 -0500 (EST) > From: Catherine McKay > Subject: First Joni of 02 > > I have a confession to make. I haven't listened to > any Joni all year. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:34:15 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NJC + Woody Allen - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Favorite Allen films: > -(I forget the title, but Martin Landau was in it) > > Bob was it Crimes and Misdemeanors? I love that film. I'm a Woody Allen addict. I love them all, and Annie Hall is probably my favorite. alison e. in slc np: jay farrar ps: Happy New Year everyone! Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:46:26 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: Re: your fiurst 2002 joni hello all ! just wanted to sound off on the first joni listenings of the year. actually i've been mesmerized by HOSL ever since the " don't interrupt the sorrow " discussion of a few weeks ago. ( i hadn't heard it in a while so it has been such a treat ! ) i've also been listening to TI the last few days. i'm stuck on a few songs and have programmed my cd player to repeat them over and over...the title song, which is one of my all time favorites, plus " sunny sunday, " " last chance lost, " " the magdalene laundries, " and " borderline. " i hope everyone is having a happy new year. it is snowing here in NC , we have about eight inches on the ground and it is still coming down , it is soooo beautiful ! ( snow always makes me feel like a kid, all excited because there will be no school...too bad they rarely cancel work. ) later... jonily yours, warren keith p.s. if there are " Ks " missing in the above text just add them in. ( the " K " key hasn't been the same since my cat, maeve, pulled it off the keyboard ! ) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:24:26 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: DED redux > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > Subject: Re: DED redux > . DED just leaves me COLD> > Maybe,I'll give it another go in four years and see if anything on my > part has changed? > > Bree > Dear Bree I find that the albums that are too "obvious", meaning the ones that are instantly liked, are the ones I get bored with after 2 or 3 listens. Conversely, the ones that take a while to discover will reveal hidden treasures at every listen for years to come. Likewise the song on an album I like least the 1st time becomes my favorite on the 5th play, this happens all the time. You may never like DED though, but please don't give up after just 1 listen. Another listening suggestion: should anyone ever suffer a setback (work related, emotional betrayal, your savings & loan going under, etc.) then you may find some relief and support in DED because Joni already spelled out her gut feelings on those topics. Hope you never do need it. I know DED helped me when I was angry. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:20:47 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Joni meets Oscar Wilde Joni Meets Oscar Wilde Joni says - Happiness is the best facelift. Oscar Wilde says - Nothing ages like happiness. J - Marked by lovers and styles of clothes. OW - Fashion is what one wears oneself. What is unfashionable is what other people wear. J - I came in as bright as a neon light and I burned out right there before him. OW - The secret of life is never to have an emotion that is unbecoming. J - Shacked up downtown making love without a license. OW - The ideal husband? There couldn't be such a thing. The institution is wrong. J - When I'm always bound and tied to someone. OW - One should always be in love. This is the reason one should never marry. J - Help me I think I'm falling in love again. OW - One is sure to be disappointed if one tries to get romance out of modern life. J - I'm so sick of this game, it's hip! it's hop! Life's too short! The whole thing's gotten boring! OW - In modern days ... the fashion of poetry writing has become far too common, and should, if possible, be discouraged. Must be the Irish blood. WtS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:39:48 -0500 From: slarty Subject: Re: NJC Les, a tiny question (non-Joni) Didn't Joni say that after marrying Klein that she was Jewish by insertion? Or maybe it didn't take? Nuriel Tobias wrote: > "There are about 203 people who are in there (where's yours? :~)" > > Oh Jimmy, i hope it's going to be very soon that we get us a scanner here and then i'll join the gallery with a cool digi-photo. > > Thank you Jimmy and thank you Ashara for the archive idea. > > p.s. And you know, Jimmy, some of the e-mail find-outs at the gallery won't open. Guess it's cuase they're no longer members or just didn't want us to know. There is a new member named Lior and i realy wanted to have a Joni-talk with him cause i think he's the only other JMDL member from Israel, but his e-mail isn't there and he never posts. I think it's about time Joni became jewish and moved here to live in a kibutz! > > Love, > Nuri > > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! > Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 15:41:38 -0500 From: slarty Subject: Re: The holly & the IV TalliBAND On The Run, TalliBAND On The Run William Waddell wrote: > "'Tis the season to be Joni > Tra la la la la la la la la" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:06:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC + Woody Allen << was it Crimes and Misdemeanors? I love that film. >> Yep, that's it, Alison...I thought it was outstanding, almost less like a film and more like watching video of one's life. Bob NP: The Strokes, "Is This It?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:37:40 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: A Birthday with Joni It's my birthday today, so I spent it running around and having a very nice lunch. On the way, I listened to CMIARS and NRH. I still like NRH the best of the 80's/early 90's Joni. I love the rhythmic use of the vocals in Ray's Dad's Cadillac, the sheer beauty of Two Grey Rooms, and the joy of the Title track (including the synthesized crickets). Chalk Mark, except for Dancing Fool and Cool Water, still leaves me cold. Back to Lurkdom. Maybe TI is next. I love TI Fauchja ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:41:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Deprivation Challenge! How are we going to prove it? Are we supposed to believe the *other* is completely honest? - --- William Waddell wrote: > Catherine wrote: > any Joni all year.> > ...and I giggled. Catherine, I'm up for a wager. Who > can last the longer > without listening to Joni? > > Willy the Shake ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:45:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Colored (njc) - --- RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > Fred, > I had the same change of coloration when I was at > work one night and > discovered I had a bad case of the flu. My manager > noticed my "greeness". I > loved this poem was very funny! > I've read that poem before too. Recently a co-worker of mine, who is black, was feeling quite ill and I remarked how pale she looked. She laughed and said, "Well, in a manner of speaking", but it's a relative thing - people have their healthy colour and their not-healthy colour and she was not looking too healthy at the time. ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:55:24 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Harlem in Havana - --- William Waddell wrote: > Catherine, I have succumbed. First Joni of the year > - Harlem in Havana. Oh ye of little intestinal fortitude - I STILL haven't listened to any Joni; however, here's my excuse - I'm on holidays because the kids are off school and the little buggers won't let me play any of *my* stuff! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #5 *************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?