From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2002 #1 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 2 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 001 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe [Guajillo@aol.com] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Feliz_a=F1o_nuevo_NJC?= ["mike pritchard" ] Apology NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Apology ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] RE: Paul's private missive NJC [chiaroscuro@SNET.Net] Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? NJC [Murphycopy@aol.co] Happy New Year NJC ["Garret" ] Joni and The Buckleys .....Now NJC ["Garret" ] Re: Does Joni hate Christmas? ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Apology NJC [colin ] Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] njc njc njc njc ["mack watson-bush" ] John Kelly and Joni ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Joni's bravery in song ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Colored!!! NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Colored!!! NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] long nightNJC [colin ] NJC - Once in a while in a big yellow moon - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: _Feliz_a=?ISO-8859-1?B?8Q==?=o_nuevo_NJC [Michael Paz ] often miss them njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: _Feliz_a=?ISO-8859-1?B?8Q==?=o_nuevo_NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: _Feliz_aņo_nuevo_NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Happy New Year NJC [Catherine McKay ] NJC Book NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: often miss them njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Book NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: often miss them njc ["mack watson-bush" ] a pig njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Apology [cecelia sonsini ] from wally njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 03:47:27 EST From: Guajillo@aol.com Subject: onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:09:15 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Feliz_a=F1o_nuevo_NJC?= >>Feliz ano nuevo, Edgardo!<< never was the little sign over the letter 'n' more important than in the second word of the above message. Catherine, you've just wished Edgardo a happy new asshole (that's 'arsehole' for the brits). Perhaps you were still thinking of your ex? ;-) See how tricky it is to express thoughts in a non-English language. Let's not forget the 'the world is a handkerchief' thread. mike in bcn np my favourite things, coltrane. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 08:29:55 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20Feliz=20a=F1o=20nuevo=20NJC?= In a message dated 1/1/02 7:12:52 AM, Mike in Barcelona wrote: << Catherine, you've just wished Edgardo a happy new asshole >> Don't worry, Catherine, I think it's a sweet sentiment. And I'd like to take this opportunity to wish JMDLers everywhere a happy new year or asshole, whichever you prefer! --Bob, awake before 8 am on New Year's Day? Now *there's* something new . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:12:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re:_Feliz_aņo_nuevo_NJC Haha! Very funny! I couldn't get the ~ to cooperate for some reason. I tried. I really tried. Really. - --- mike pritchard wrote: > > >>Feliz ano nuevo, Edgardo!<< > > never was the little sign over the letter 'n' more > important than in the second word of the above > message. Catherine, you've just wished Edgardo a > happy new asshole (that's 'arsehole' for the brits). > Perhaps you were still thinking of your ex? ;-) See > how tricky it is to express thoughts in a > non-English language. Let's not forget the 'the > world is a handkerchief' thread. > > mike in bcn > np my favourite things, coltrane. > ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 09:46:38 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Apology NJC Paul wrote: "Sharon, It is extremely poor Netiquette to post to a group a message sent to you privately without permission of the person who sent it to you. Apparently you are not a person to be trusted." My response: Dear Paul: I owe you an apology. My initial response to your post that we use NJC for the "Save Wally discussion" was that you were being needlessly unkind given the situation in Argentina and our concerns for Wally. Once I expressed this opinion to the list you sent me a private missive whereby you confirmed your unkindness. That notwithstanding, I believe you purposefully tried to influence my perspective by telling me negative things about Wally as a means to justify your position. When you do such a thing it is insulting. Not just to Wally but to all of us who love and care about another person. It is one thing to share a concern about another person privately. However, when you sacrificed Wally in order to justify your position, I did not find that honorable. When you do such a thing with me you are correct...I am "not a person to be trusted". And I will not let such a thing occupy my private world. You have reacted to my posting of your missive by calling forth your sense of privacy. I find that this "sense of privacy" is often the concealment of what conflicts with our self-image and which so often cuts us off from understanding and help. Being in my profession I am a great keeper of secrets. Within my private life friends confide in me because I do not jeopardize them. However, your "netiquette" missive is unpersuasive and fails to guilt me into silence. I will not passively conceal your unsolicited invasion of my world or be stuck with the barbs you so very surreptitiously issued toward Wally. I will talk. You are correct I am "not a person to be trusted". Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 10:07:31 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Apology Subject: Apology NJC Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 09:46:38 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Organization: Buffington Law Office To: joni@smoe.org Paul wrote: "Sharon, It is extremely poor Netiquette to post to a group a message sent to you privately without permission of the person who sent it to you. Apparently you are not a person to be trusted." My response: Dear Paul: I owe you an apology. My initial response to your post that we use NJC for the "Save Wally discussion" was that you were being needlessly unkind given the situation in Argentina and our concerns for Wally. Once I expressed this opinion to the list you sent me a private missive whereby you confirmed your unkindness. That notwithstanding, I believe you purposefully tried to influence my perspective by telling me negative things about Wally as a means to justify your position. When you do such a thing it is insulting. Not just to Wally but to all of us who love and care about another person. It is one thing to share a concern about another person privately. However, when you sacrificed Wally in order to justify your position, I did not find that honorable. When you do such a thing with me you are correct...I am "not a person to be trusted". And I will not let such a thing occupy my private world. You have reacted to my posting of your missive by calling forth your sense of privacy. I find that this "sense of privacy" is often the concealment of what conflicts with our self-image and which so often cuts us off from understanding and help. Being in my profession I am a great keeper of secrets. Within my private life friends confide in me because I do not jeopardize them. However, your "netiquette" missive is unpersuasive and fails to guilt me into silence. I will not passively conceal your unsolicited invasion of my world or be stuck with the barbs you so very surreptitiously issued toward Wally. I will talk. You are correct I am "not a person to be trusted". Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 11:58:01 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: RE: Paul's private missive NJC Hmmm .... This is quite interesting .... Paul should NOT get this e-mail because he is on the Joni Only list. So, as long as there is a NJC tag, we could discuss Paul as much as we discuss Wally. I know .... why bother.... Heather At 05:06 PM 12/31/01 +0000, Chris Marshall wrote: >IVPaul:- > > Sharon, > > It is extremely poor Netiquette to post to a group a > > message sent to you > > privately without permission of the person who sent it to > > you. > >Perhaps you should think harder about calling someone >"sick" (OK, you didn't do it directly, but you clearly >seem to agree with it) and thinking that people will >stand idly by and let you do it. > > >Apparently you are not a person to be trusted. > >That's an insulting sweeping generalisation and you know >it. > >--Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:17:17 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? >>It will include four of my 'something bad always happens at Christmas' songs<< ok, i can come up with River and Facelift - but as for #3 does something bad happen in Chinese Cafe? and what is #4? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:10:00 -0500 From: chiaroscuro@SNET.Net Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? Yes ... I always thought that the Christmas season was a catalyst that fueled Joni's melancholia in "Chinese Cafe". I find myself at this point now in life ("we look like our mother's did now when we were those kids age"). I don't think Joni meant this literally but as a reference in time as in "nothing lasts for long". Heather At 04:15 PM 12/31/01 -0500, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >LOL, Catherine... > >That one actually flew off before I could write it. But I think her >writing reflects that Christmas is just one more thing that doesn't live >up to the hype. > >Why else would she throw the Christmas reference into "Chinese Cafe", >except to set up the contrast of the supposed joy of the season against >her own melancholia? > >I think if you were to distill her body of work into a single theme, it's >that nothing (love, political power, fame) is what it's cracked up to be. >Maybe that's why her signature song is Both Sides Now, because it's a >microcosm of that bittersweet theme; of moving from naivete to knowledge. > >Bob > >NP: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" 5/15/96 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 12:22:11 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? If this Christmas CD truly comes to be, I would hope she would include "Gift of the Magi" as well; a very early song and somewhat sad as well. Best wishes to all for a happy 2002! Gary J.David Sapp wrote: > > >>It will include four of my 'something bad always happens at Christmas' > songs<< > > ok, i can come up with River and Facelift - but as for #3 does something bad > happen in Chinese Cafe? and what is #4? > peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 12:32:34 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: njc-happy new year Happy New Year Everyone! Thanks for a wonderful year of Joni info and non Joni info. Hope 2002 is wonderful for everyone! Wanted to send this without the njc, but didn't dare. Kammy in alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:48:03 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Apology Geez, and I could swear you said: " I do not intend to carry this discussion any further. " That was some apology. Now, taking it and stick it up your ass with the rest of the shit you've been spewing! There's no need to discuss this any further. You've already proved you an untrustworthy liar. You'll only lower everyone's opinion of you everytime you add anything else. I had not posted anything more on this and will not unless you persist in embarrassing yourself further. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:57:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: WALLY - NJC i put the word out to some friends about some work for wally & so far i heard back from one who works as a freelance copywriting editor- the company is big enough to have the possibility of more work available ...since its freelance i don't think the citizenship thing would matter...my friend lives outside of yosemite...i asked if the work could be done via internet or if he would need to live in the area...will let you know about that when i hear back... i haven't signed up on the wally list yet as i am just catching up on yesterday's emails...is the list active or are we staying with this wallynjc thing? happy new year everyone! i spent yesterday at disneyland with some family...it was fun to be in that fantasy world...i made it home just in time to toast in the new year with jeff.... breathe a lot, its the year 02! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 13:21:06 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? NJC Joni said, "It will include four of my 'something bad always happens at Christmas' songs" And davidsapp@peoplepc.com asked: << and what is #4? >> It's probably that song about Grandma getting run over by the reindeer. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:14:02 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Happy New Year NJC Happy and merry new year guys:-) Today i woke up with the sun shining in my face. I woke up with the first hangover and soar throat of 2002 ( i sang until 5am; well, i attempted to sing!). I woke up, also, with a new currency to think about. Bye-bye to the punt! I'm not so sure how i feel about all of that. I've been thinking about new years resolutions. Every year i try to quit *biting my fingernails!!*, it's a disgusting, vile, dirty habit and i cannot stop! I really find it sickening to see someone biting their fingernails, yet i do it every day! Does anything work?? Has anyone on the list quit successfully? I know that we've discussed quitting smoking on the list, and a lot of good advice was thrown around then. Please- someone help me!!! What can i do? I've tried wearing gloves, I've tried carrying lollipops and putting them into my mouth every time i catch my self biting my nails, I've tried to distract myself when i catch myself biting my nails- but all to no avail! And that horrible tasting stuff that people put on their nails to prevent nail biting, sorry, it just isn't *that* disgusting! I find myself biting my nails when thinking, when puzzled or confused, when studying, when watching tv, when studying, when bored, when interested, when on the phone. In short, i am ALWAYS biting my nails and it is really bugging me:-) I have decided this year to dispense with my usual attempts at making resolutions. Usually, they are of the "try to be nicer/more generous/better/more sincere etc etc etc" sort. Since i am "practically perfect in every way" this is pointless (j/k, i watched Mary Poppins two days ago for the first time in years, and i just love the part of the movie when she takes out her measuring tape to size up Michael and Jane, lol). I have decided to spend the next two weeks trying to work out some aims for the year, and to make a to-do list of sorts. My ambitions and hopes for the year will be on there; then, at the end of the year, i can see just how close i come to realising this list of mine. With wishes of Love and Luck for *all* the members of JMDL in 2002, GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:20:42 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Joni and The Buckleys .....Now NJC I recieved this book as a birthday present from a wonderful girl that was on holiday with me Luxembourg, Jerry. She discovered Buckley very recently (as in a matter of weeks ago), and is unable to listen to anyone else right now! I had jsut picked the book up and was flicking through it and my eyes stalled on the name of Patti Smith (my *other* woman!). I didn't want to read the passage, but i did:-( There i found a cute story about Buckley performing on Smiths album Gone Again:-) He laid down a vocal for the track Beneath The Southern Cross. Then the band began working of Fireflies, and Jeff Buckley had the idea of using an instrument called an essrage. This would add an interesting buzzing sort of sound to the track, while maintaining the "exotic, mournful quality" of the song. After the session, Patti Smith Group were happy wiht what had went down. Patti then found Jeff sitting in a cornor crying, for he felt that he had disappointed them all. Anyway, I am enjoying readng it, and recommend it to anyone that is a fan of Jeff Buckley, Tim Bukley. or both. GARRET NP- Jeff Buckley, People's Parties > >From: Jerry Notaro >Subject: Joni and The Buckleys > >from Dream Brother: The Lives and Music of Jeff and Tim Buckley by David >Browne: > >Moorhead's (Jeff's stepfather) VW camper panel van was equipped with a >stereo, and Scotty (Jeff) would often fall asleep next to the speakers >as Led Zeppelin and the Doors blared, the music becoming implanted into >his subconscious. Mary (Jeff's mother), meanwhile, introduced her son to >the music of Barbra Streisand, Carole King, and Joni Mitchell- "your >basic drag-queen music diet," he would later crack to a reporter - and >played Bach, Chopin, and Mendelssohn on the living-room piano. > >Jerry > >np: David Blue - The Gasman Won't Buy Your Love ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:11:08 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Does Joni hate Christmas? I've started this before, so maybe this one will "work" as we used to say in photo crits. As with everything else in her body of work, Joni appears to me to be mightily ambivilant about Christmas. While she appears to have had a happy childhood, in Karen's book we don't hear about that very much. As relates to Christmas, we hear about the one Christmas when she was battling polio and made a "promise" to the power behind the power behind the angels and lights on her hospital room's tree. She hasn't written about the presumed joys of giving to her grandchildren. Anyway, she's but one person, albiet a supremely gifted one. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:53:53 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: Dublin NJC Hey there Jacky, what is the date of your visit to Ireland? I live in Dublin, and would be delighted to go for a few scoops (pints!) with you if you would be willing. What kind of music venues are you interested in? Would you like to catch a big-name concert, a small gig, or jsut some trad Irish fare? At the very start of Feb, you could happen upon a Luke Kelly tribute, the indigo girls, or even deep purple. What are you into? I will send you the names of some great places in and around Dublin that may be of interest if you'd like, including places of musical interest and scenery and other places of interest. GARRET >Hi folk, > >I'm making my first ever trip to Ireland at the beginning of Feb, staying in >Dublin for 4 days. I'd be grateful for any tips as to places to visit in and >around the city esp. good music venues (I know every pub is supposed to be a >good music venue, so that may be a foolish question). Also, since we haven't >booked our hotel yet, if anyone knows of a reasonable one to recommend, that >would be cool too. > >Happy New Year to one and all, > >Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 21:26:11 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Apology NJC Isn't it good that we can always count on some people being the same? IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Geez, and I could swear you said: > " I do not intend to carry this discussion any further. " > > That was some apology. Now, taking it and stick it up your ass with the rest > of the shit you've been spewing! > There's no need to discuss this any further. You've already proved you an > untrustworthy liar. You'll only lower everyone's opinion of you everytime > you add anything else. > I had not posted anything more on this and will not unless you persist in > embarrassing yourself further. > > Paul I - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 13:25:51 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? NJC >Joni said, "It will include four of my 'something bad always happens at >Christmas' >songs" > >And davidsapp@peoplepc.com asked: > ><< and what is #4? >> > > >It's probably that song about Grandma getting run over by the reindeer. > > --Bob I heard yesterday,Bob.... that it has been shown that laughing 10 mins a day has the same effect as 10 mins of vigorous excerise. Keep it up!! (forget that last line,now) Bree _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 15:33:36 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: njc njc njc njc Wally, where are you? Just saw on the t.v. that South Americans write down what they want for the new year and then burn it. Is that true? Very interesting. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 16:43:25 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: John Kelly and Joni You'll find some offbeat photos of John Kelly in drag as Joni at this site, inclding a snapshot of Joni posing with Johni. Enjoy! http://www.queenmother.tv/nycgirl/john/john.html Michaelo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 14:59:17 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni's bravery in song Sherelle......very nice post with a lovely sentiment&written so well. Some food for thought for me:Joni and bravery. I had never thought about bravery when I think of Joni.....but I think you may have something. Bree > >In my desperation, I thought of Joni and how brave she always is when faced >with the same situation. It dawned on me that writing songs was a >deliberate >act to combat the fears and the loneliness she felt at the time. I put on >the >CD "Court and Spark" because to me, it is one of her most personal and >introspective works about herself. I listened to "Down To You" over and >over >because of its beautiful melodies and haunting lyrics. Again, I felt the >catharsis of pain and emotional torture that we all put ourselves through >from time to time. As I sang along through tears, I felt someone else >understood what I was going through. I no longer felt alone. > >I thank God for her talent, and her bravery to be honest and truthful in >song. No matter how she may question herself, no one can ever take away the >contribution she has made to help heal the lives of others with her simple >honesty. > >It was a struggle, but I got through the day and renewed my hope in mankind >and in life. My daughter is grown now and must lead her own life. I really >don't know where I would be without Joni's brave example of going on with >life in spite of it all. I am truly grateful. > >Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:46:52 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Colored!!! NJC A dear friend of mine who is a black woman gave me the following to read today. (she calls me her boatin babe because we go at least twice a month to riverboat casinos on the beautiful Ohio) Black 'n' White When I was born I was black When I grew up I was black When I'm sick I'm black,when I die I'll be black. But you: When you're born you're pink When you grow up you're white When you're sick,you're green When you go in the sun you turn red When you're cold you turn blue and when you die you turn purple And you have the nerve to call me colored!!! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 15:47:40 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Colored!!! NJC A dear friend of mine who is a black woman gave me the following to read today. (she calls me her boatin babe because we go at least twice a month to riverboat casinos on the beautiful Ohio) Black 'n' White When I was born I was black When I grew up I was black When I'm sick I'm black,when I die I'll be black. But you: When you're born you're pink When you grow up you're white When you're sick,you're green When you go in the sun you turn red When you're cold you turn blue and when you die you turn purple And you have the nerve to call me colored!!! Bree _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:50:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: long nightNJC The New Year is off to a good start. Martha is in the first stage of labour. No sleep for me tonight(or her). Think of me in your beds whilst I am sitting there stroking her head and saying 'push baby push' and exclaiming 'you have a son', 'you have a daughter' you have a son', you have a daughter' 'you have a .....' Oh god how many more are there? - -- bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:27:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: NJC - Once in a while in a big yellow moon - NJC Is anyone else seeing (has anyone else seen?) the moon tonight? I was just out walking the dog and there it was, hanging low in the sky, big round and yellow - beautiful! The sky here is very clear tonight, so you can see stars - not a lot of stars (after all, I'm in the city), but, my God! you can see stars! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:04:49 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni's bravery in song Been there---- done that!! Thanks for the reminder. I always turn her way for truth and for peace. Glad you got to spend time with your daughter. family is so important to me too and of course the holidays are always a bittersweet time for me. Michael on 12/31/01 8:07 PM, RobSher50@aol.com at RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > I had a bad day last week. My daughter left to go back to Connecticut and > there was such a huge hole in my heart. As I looked at the air bed where she > slept (only have one real bed) and at the shower gel she accidentally left > behind. everything seemed to start falling apart. It got to the point where > it became hard to cope. You may know how the downward spiral goes. First it's > one thing, and then everything becomes hopeless and futile. > > In my desperation, I thought of Joni and how brave she always is when faced > with the same situation. It dawned on me that writing songs was a deliberate > act to combat the fears and the loneliness she felt at the time. I put on the > CD "Court and Spark" because to me, it is one of her most personal and > introspective works about herself. I listened to "Down To You" over and over > because of its beautiful melodies and haunting lyrics. Again, I felt the > catharsis of pain and emotional torture that we all put ourselves through > from time to time. As I sang along through tears, I felt someone else > understood what I was going through. I no longer felt alone. > > I thank God for her talent, and her bravery to be honest and truthful in > song. No matter how she may question herself, no one can ever take away the > contribution she has made to help heal the lives of others with her simple > honesty. > > It was a struggle, but I got through the day and renewed my hope in mankind > and in life. My daughter is grown now and must lead her own life. I really > don't know where I would be without Joni's brave example of going on with > life in spite of it all. I am truly grateful. > > Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:09:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: _Feliz_a=?ISO-8859-1?B?8Q==?=o_nuevo_NJC For you espaqoles out there that have Macintosh computers you hit ALT/Option and the n key and then n again and voile you get the world famous q. I am sure there is an equal key stroke sequence for all those inferior PC's out there. lol Con cariqo, Michael on 1/1/02 7:12 AM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > Haha! Very funny! I couldn't get the ~ to cooperate > for some reason. I tried. I really tried. Really. > > > --- mike pritchard wrote: >> >>>> Feliz ano nuevo, Edgardo!<< >> >> never was the little sign over the letter 'n' more >> important than in the second word of the above >> message. Catherine, you've just wished Edgardo a >> happy new asshole (that's 'arsehole' for the brits). >> Perhaps you were still thinking of your ex? ;-) See >> how tricky it is to express thoughts in a >> non-English language. Let's not forget the 'the >> world is a handkerchief' thread. >> >> mike in bcn >> np my favourite things, coltrane. >> > > > ______________________________________________________ > Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:06:24 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC - Once in a while in a big yellow moon - NJC No, but I saw it New Year's Eve and the same thing, it was just rising and appeared like a big yellow paper moon. I wanted to stop and grab my camera out of the trunk, but I didn't have the right film on hand. Last night at my cousin Dolores's house the party kept going outside on her deck to see the planet Jupiter. Astronomers said it could be seen directly overhead at its brightest and closest point in many years. ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:17:28 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy New Year NJC Dear Garret Try picking your nose instead. Maybe THAT will discourage you from then sticking those same fingers in your mouth. LMAO! Count me in with the people who have given up smoking. I joined the ranks last night as my New Years resolution and so far so good. Will see what happens when I get in a room full of West Coast JMDL'ers smoking and drinking. Michael on 1/1/02 1:14 PM, Garret at sprout@eircom.net wrote: > I've been thinking about new years resolutions. Every year i try to quit > *biting my fingernails!!*, it's a disgusting, vile, dirty habit and i cannot > stop! I really find it sickening to see someone biting their fingernails, > yet i do it every day! Does anything work?? Has anyone on the list quit > successfully? I know that we've discussed quitting smoking on the list, and > a lot of good advice was thrown around then. Please- someone help me!!! > What can i do? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:16:54 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: often miss them njc No moon tonight. Clouds, cold, and darkness. Here, in oblivion, the stars often shine so brightly that one can see them forever. The air is clear and the days are peaceful. Even so, I continue to look over the fence and can never stop wanting to go there; ignoring my own yard and the flowers within it. Knowing that someday, maybe soon, they will no longer bloom for me and I can never smell their fragrance again. Even so, I want to go. Over the fence. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:26:37 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: _Feliz_a=?ISO-8859-1?B?8Q==?=o_nuevo_NJC BUT it doesn't translate over the internet. Paz ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ on 1/1/02 8:09 PM, Michael Paz at jmichaelpaz@telocity.com wrote: > For you espaqoles out there that have Macintosh computers you hit ALT/Option > and the n key and then n again and voile you get the world famous q. I am > sure there is an equal key stroke sequence for all those inferior PC's out > there. lol > > Con cariqo, > > Michael > > > on 1/1/02 7:12 AM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > >> Haha! Very funny! I couldn't get the ~ to cooperate >> for some reason. I tried. I really tried. Really. >> >> >> --- mike pritchard wrote: >>> >>>>> Feliz ano nuevo, Edgardo!<< >>> >>> never was the little sign over the letter 'n' more >>> important than in the second word of the above >>> message. Catherine, you've just wished Edgardo a >>> happy new asshole (that's 'arsehole' for the brits). >>> Perhaps you were still thinking of your ex? ;-) See >>> how tricky it is to express thoughts in a >>> non-English language. Let's not forget the 'the >>> world is a handkerchief' thread. >>> >>> mike in bcn >>> np my favourite things, coltrane. >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:24:23 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Christmas post mortem, njc I heard a music program dedicated to Cajun takes on Christmas songs. My favorite was the inevitable parody of "Twas the Night Before Christmas". It seems that at the edge of the bayou, Santa trades his reindeer for alligators. He called them out by name: "On Jacques! On Jules! On Pierre!" I was roaring with laughter. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:15:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: _Feliz_aņo_nuevo_NJC If I hit <~> in Word, it gives me the n with the ~. When I try this in the Yahoo e-mail program, I get nada, niente, nichts. It just doesn't work - maybe it's one of those plain-text vs rich-text things. I hope someone can help me apologize to Edgardo - I feel terrible and even though I took Spanish in first-year university, I've forgotten most of it and what I do remember, I get mixed up with Italian. If anyone needs a nuevo ano, it's not Edgardo - it's someone who doesn't get the njc e-mails, so I could name him if I wanted to (nyah-nyah) but for now, you probably know who I mean (the one who recently used some strong and not-very-nice language towards a certain beekeeper and whose e-mail name sounds vaguely popish.) - --- Michael Paz wrote: > For you espaqoles out there that have Macintosh > computers you hit ALT/Option > and the n key and then n again and voile you get the > world famous q. I am > sure there is an equal key stroke sequence for all > those inferior PC's out > there. lol > > Con cariqo, > > Michael > > > on 1/1/02 7:12 AM, Catherine McKay at > anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > Haha! Very funny! I couldn't get the ~ to > cooperate > > for some reason. I tried. I really tried. > Really. > > > > > > --- mike pritchard wrote: > >> > >>>> Feliz ano nuevo, Edgardo!<< > >> > >> never was the little sign over the letter 'n' > more > >> important than in the second word of the above > >> message. Catherine, you've just wished Edgardo a > >> happy new asshole (that's 'arsehole' for the > brits). > >> Perhaps you were still thinking of your ex? ;-) > See > >> how tricky it is to express thoughts in a > >> non-English language. Let's not forget the 'the > >> world is a handkerchief' thread. > >> > >> mike in bcn > >> np my favourite things, coltrane. > >> > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Send your holiday cheer with > http://greetings.yahoo.ca > > > ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:17:29 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: _Feliz_aņo_nuevo_NJC Just to show you how weird these things are, this is what your *other* e-mail (the one that goes to the list) looks like - note how the n + ~ has turned into a q - and your voila avec un accent grave turns into voile! (Stupid computers.) - --- Michael Paz wrote: > For you espaqoles out there that have Macintosh > computers you hit ALT/Option > and the n key and then n again and voile you get the > world famous q. I am > sure there is an equal key stroke sequence for all > those inferior PC's out > there. lol > > Con cariqo, > > Michael > > > on 1/1/02 7:12 AM, Catherine McKay at > anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > > > Haha! Very funny! I couldn't get the ~ to > cooperate > > for some reason. I tried. I really tried. > Really. > > > > > > --- mike pritchard wrote: > >> > >>>> Feliz ano nuevo, Edgardo!<< > >> > >> never was the little sign over the letter 'n' > more > >> important than in the second word of the above > >> message. Catherine, you've just wished Edgardo a > >> happy new asshole (that's 'arsehole' for the > brits). > >> Perhaps you were still thinking of your ex? ;-) > See > >> how tricky it is to express thoughts in a > >> non-English language. Let's not forget the 'the > >> world is a handkerchief' thread. > >> > >> mike in bcn > >> np my favourite things, coltrane. > >> > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:29:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy New Year NJC - --- Michael Paz wrote: > Dear Garret > Try picking your nose instead. Maybe THAT will > discourage you from then > sticking those same fingers in your mouth. LMAO! Unless he's already one of those who picks his nose and eats it! I've never been a nail-biter, but I do have this habit of biting the inside of my cheek (no, not *that* one - the one on me face!) Sometimes those kinds of "neurotic" habits can be cured by using a mild dose of a tranquilizer like diazepam, but that's a bit drastic, IMO - why resort to drugs for something like that? (Save 'em for when you really need them!) Better to pay attention to the fact that you're doing it - if you become aware that you are doing it, it's easier to stop (like, I'm an expert on this - the ex bit his nails down to the quick and I found it *really* annoying - I can't stand seeing anyone bite their nails - it drives me nuts.) > Count me in with the people who have given up > smoking. I joined the > ranks last night as my New Years resolution and so > far so good. Will see > what happens when I get in a room full of West Coast > JMDL'ers smoking and > drinking. > You'll just have to stay in the non-smoking section and breathe in the fresh air - I quit smoking 16 years ago and I have to admit, there are times I want one so badly. But it's not the smoke I want - it's the feel of a cigarette in my fingers and that slooow inhale. I know I'd probably get sick if I smoked now - I'm allergic to the smoke and I end up with a massive sinus headache, and sometimes an infection, if I'm around it too long. I won't visit my sister because she and her husband smoke like chimneys and I always end up sick after visiting her, but I have to make other excuses for not going, because she's one of those rabid smokers who thinks people like me are smoke-Nazis. I hate coming home reeking of smoke, so, Michael, just think how *nice* you're going to smell to other people from now on, esp. if the rest of your family are non-smokers. ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:38:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: NJC Book NJC Can anyone recommend a good book to read? I'm bored and I have nothing to read right now. Since I've been driving to work, I've lost my subway-reading-time, so it's taking me a lot longer to read a book and I can only renew at the library for so long before they won't let me renew it anymore. I'm looking for something uplifting but not trite. If it has a message, it shouldn't bang you over the head with it. It can be funny, sad, tragic or exciting - better yet, all of these. It has to be intelligent, but not intellectual. Apart from that, I'm not fussy - fact or fiction, bring it on! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:49:01 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: often miss them njc Dear Mack, Where Is Oblivion? Is it somewhere in Texas? Your stars sound wonderful. Most of the time, I can only see the brightest stars in the sky - it's no wonder the only constellations I can ever identify are Orion and the Big Dipper. Years ago, a group of us went to a cottage for a weekend out in the country not too far from Goderich, Ontario, on Lake Huron. We went outside for a walk down to the beach after sunset and it was soooo dark, you couldn't see anything at first. Then you looked up and saw ALL THESE STARS - I never realized there were so many! This is what you miss when you live in a city, another form of oblivion. Sending you a great big hug from Toronto. - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > No moon tonight. Clouds, cold, and darkness. Here, > in oblivion, the stars > often shine so brightly that one can see them > forever. The air is clear and > the days are peaceful. Even so, I continue to look > over the fence and can > never stop wanting to go there; ignoring my own yard > and the flowers within > it. Knowing that someday, maybe soon, they will no > longer bloom for me and I > can never smell their fragrance again. Even so, I > want to go. Over the > fence. > > mack ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:51:35 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Book NJC In a message dated 1/1/02 10:40:09 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << I'm looking for something uplifting but not trite. If it has a message, it shouldn't bang you over the head with it. It can be funny, s >> _Peace Like a RIver_, by Leif Enger. I loved it, Catherine. It's basically about faith. Very uplifting and not trite. I got it from the library, even though it's very hot right now. You can find out more about it by going to Amazon, doing a search by title or author, and checking their reviews. It's told from the perspective of an 11 year old boy, although it's not a children's book by any means. I think anyone would love it. It also has some CC (Canadian Content)! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:53:39 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: often miss them njc Yes Catherine. Oblivion is Texas. Rising Star, Texas to be exact. Despite all its inadequacies, and they are too many to mention, there are many pluses also. The stars on one of them and they are so numerous and bright that on a clear night you can almost reach up and touch them. Thanks for giving me a little sense and tonight I appreciate some things that I often take for granted. love, mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "mack watson-bush" ; "joni" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 9:49 PM Subject: Re: often miss them njc > Dear Mack, > > Where Is Oblivion? Is it somewhere in Texas? Your > stars sound wonderful. Most of the time, I can only > see the brightest stars in the sky - it's no wonder > the only constellations I can ever identify are Orion > and the Big Dipper. > > Years ago, a group of us went to a cottage for a > weekend out in the country not too far from Goderich, > Ontario, on Lake Huron. We went outside for a walk > down to the beach after sunset and it was soooo dark, > you couldn't see anything at first. Then you looked > up and saw ALL THESE STARS - I never realized there > were so many! This is what you miss when you live in > a city, another form of oblivion. > > Sending you a great big hug from Toronto. > > --- mack watson-bush > wrote: > > No moon tonight. Clouds, cold, and darkness. Here, > > in oblivion, the stars > > often shine so brightly that one can see them > > forever. The air is clear and > > the days are peaceful. Even so, I continue to look > > over the fence and can > > never stop wanting to go there; ignoring my own yard > > and the flowers within > > it. Knowing that someday, maybe soon, they will no > > longer bloom for me and I > > can never smell their fragrance again. Even so, I > > want to go. Over the > > fence. > > > > mack > > > ______________________________________________________ > Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:51:37 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: NJC Book NJC THE INVENTION OF CLOUDS: HOW AN AMATEUR METEOROLOGIST FORGED THE LANGUAGE OF THE SKIES by Richard Hamblyn. The amateur meteorologist was Luke Howard, a London chemist who gave the three basic cloud families names that survive today: cirrus, cumulus and stratus. Howard had, Hamblyn writes, "the penetrating ... insight that clouds have many individual shapes but few basic forms." The author, who supervises undergraduates in English and the history of science at the University of Cambridge, weaves several strands--Howard's work, the lively London science scene 200 years ago and the development of meteorology--into a grand story. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: "Jonilist" Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: NJC Book NJC > Can anyone recommend a good book to read? I'm bored > and I have nothing to read right now. Since I've been > driving to work, I've lost my subway-reading-time, so > it's taking me a lot longer to read a book and I can > only renew at the library for so long before they > won't let me renew it anymore. > > I'm looking for something uplifting but not trite. If > it has a message, it shouldn't bang you over the head > with it. It can be funny, sad, tragic or exciting - > better yet, all of these. It has to be intelligent, > but not intellectual. > > Apart from that, I'm not fussy - fact or fiction, > bring it on! > > ______________________________________________________ > Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:01:37 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: a pig njc Howard Stern is a pig. Is his show ever about anything but sex and his disgusting display of low class? I remember seeing his movie years ago and thought he was okay and rather admired him for working so hard to "make it." He does nothing but the same thing over and over again. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 20:57:39 -0800 (PST) From: cecelia sonsini Subject: Re: Apology You know, I am a 98% lurker on this board but I do have to just say that this is one of the most offensive emails that I've ever read. I don't know anything about either one of the people involved in this "battle" but, given this email, my opinion of this guy Paul is far in the toilet. If this is the kind of garbage that you spew, Paul, then you deserve everything that's been making it's way around this list. - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Geez, and I could swear you said: > " I do not intend to carry this discussion any > further. " > > That was some apology. Now, taking it and stick it > up your ass with the rest > of the shit you've been spewing! > There's no need to discuss this any further. You've > already proved you an > untrustworthy liar. You'll only lower everyone's > opinion of you everytime > you add anything else. > I had not posted anything more on this and will not > unless you persist in > embarrassing yourself further. > > Paul I Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 03:40:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: from wally njc dear family, here i am again. my cable connection is erratic at best, and my life and times have become hectic. i won't go into a description of what is happening here because there's time for that and i fear that i might lose my connection again. i won't be able to write as nicely as i would like to. how to say in a few seconds what would take a lifetime to express. thank you for your messages, your calls, your immense love. i have read the posts and i am considering everything: your offers, your ideas. i seem to be more qualified for jobs that are related to language skills and writing. if you hear of anything, please let me know. this message is much too brief and much too superficial to express what i feel now. please, empathize with me and imagine, FEEL all the love and gratitude i feel for you. i am afraid that i might lose the connection and i am forcing myself to be concise at the risk of sounding ungrateful. please copy me to whomever would want to hear from me but is on only joni. i love you, wally ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2002 #1 *************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?