From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #619 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, January 1 2002 Volume 2001 : Number 619 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: DED redux ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Feliz Aņo Nuevo ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: DED redux ["J.David Sapp" ] RE: Paul's private missive njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Sapo Verde!!!!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: WALLY - NJC [Michael Paz ] njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Joni & Christmas njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Joni's bravery in song [RobSher50@aol.com] HAPPY nEW yEAR! NJC [Catherine McKay ] happy new year njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:02:05 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? I say - give Joni a fine early morning sunrise by the seaside or a blue moonlight to gaze at on a clear summer night where streams of water run, add a drink and a smoke - and it's a holiday to her. Just the other day i told my friend Josh from Michigan something like "I was born in Nazareth and i still don't understand how could anyone from Nazareth become Jesus. Christian folks should come and check out the folks in Nazareth, it'll make 'em doubt the whole holly thing!" hehe. But it's true, you know. If someone from Nazareth could become Jesus, then i'm telling you, the sky is the limit for each and everyone of us! When i was a child and the christian pilgrims came to our town, folks used to sell them cans and jars and boxes with air and water from the hollyland. So help me God, it was sold so fast! Jesus, we nearly ran out of air and water here! hehe. So if you want some, don't be too shy - Email me and i'll send you some holly air and water from Israel - the jars are on the house! Happy new year!!! Nuriel - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >LOL, Catherine... > >That one actually flew off before I could write it. But I think her writing reflects that Christmas is just one more thing that doesn't live up to the hype. > >Why else would she throw the Christmas reference into "Chinese Cafe", except to set up the contrast of the supposed joy of the season against her own melancholia? > >I think if you were to distill her body of work into a single theme, it's that nothing (love, political power, fame) is what it's cracked up to be. Maybe that's why her signature song is Both Sides Now, because it's a microcosm of that bittersweet theme; of moving from naivete to knowledge. > >Bob > >NP: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" 5/15/96 _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:08:06 -0800 From: "Joe Gomez" Subject: Joni & Christmas njc Hate to disappoint all of you Bummers ( HA HA ) but I believe that Joni LOVES Christmas so much that she has made a point of mocking what the world has made of the Holiday , every time you hear a trigger to a Christmas related mood sound etc. she's using it as a comeback to the overt commercialization of the season anyway that's MY spin , by the way this is my first post I have been lurking in the background soaking things in for a couple of weeks my name is Joe Gomez from San Diego California , have a safe New Years Eve. NP Stephen Stills Manassas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:14:47 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: DED redux I bought DED recently.....something I had been putting off doing. (used at one those Buy-Sell-Trade places) Like the sentiment for my mother:She could do no wrong,I always was able to say this about Joni.. UNTIL DED. DED just leaves me COLD. I miss the warm Joni,I miss the melodic Joni. Lyrically:A little too preachy. While I think "Smokin" is clever;her using a cigarette machine as a percussion instrument......"she do play it well" Someone posted, I believe recently, that a track on DED was one, if not the most beautiful song she has ever written melodically. Which track are you referring to? I don't enjoy her voice on most of the tracks,something I really thought I would never utter about Joni. Her voice seems forced and too harsh throughout. On The Three Great Stimulants she sounds like K T Oslin (sp)........and this brings back bad memories because an X always played K T . (not Joni's fault) And while I'm at it.....I hate the way she looks on the album!! Although I think this was intentional/designed on her part. Maybe,David,I'll give it another go in four years and see if anything on my part has changed? Bree >i listened to DED for the first time in about 4 years last nite, it sounded >better than i recall - some great melodies & lyrically it seems quite >prophetic in light of recent events. >HAPPY NEW YEAR and remember HAPPINESS IS THE BEST FACELIFT. >peace, david _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:26:54 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Feliz Aņo Nuevo En Madrid muchas personas van a la puerta del Sol un poco antes de la medianoche. A proposito,yo prefiero traer el ano nuevo en mi casa. Hasta Luego, Bree > >Un deseo de paz y esperanza para todos, confiando en que el maqana sera >mejor >para todos los habitantes del mundo. Quiero desearles a todos los miembros >de >JMDL un mejor aqo 2002. > > > EDGARDO NESTOR VIEGAS _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:45:24 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: Re: DED redux >>I hate the way she looks on the album!! Although I think this was intentional/designed on her part.>> yes i think one of the many problems with DED is the jarring cover art - and i suppose the music could make one tear their hair out. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:38:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Paul's private missive njc i know this is so vile of me and that i should be thanking rather than carping but... i have just read paul's post and i am dismayed at how horribly facts can be distorted. i have never insulted paul privately. i have always insulted him publicly. wally, seriously now: overwhelmed by what the wally content. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:01:10 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Sapo Verde!!!!!! (NJC) Merry New Year Everyone!! We are back and we are black (even Julian). It was so beautiful down in Honduras for Christmas. We went to the my sisters beach house and and then hopped on their boat and headed for the Belize Keys (Hunting Cay) for a little fishing (ok a lotta fecking fishing ok) and sunning and spent the night in a tent on the beach. Drank lotsO rum made fresf Ceviche from the beautiful yellow tail we caught. I was crowned the Champion of the fisherman cause I caugh the biggest of the yellow tails. Did lots of cooking over the holidays and spent time with the family. It was so lovely and nice and warm. We are now back at home and its really cold here in New Orleans. I am working with Dash Rip Rock tonight and then off to party with friends. A very Happy Birthday to my pals Gregg Cagno, Wally K, and John "Down Under" Low. Hope you boys had wonderful days. And to Mags and Bri---- WHY ON EARTH could you be wondering about Cagno doing weddings????? Are we do for a big announcement??? Will it be a public affair?? Will paparazzi be allowed to attend??? (Besides I hear Cagno will play the Opening of an envelope. LOL) WallyFacio I hope all works out in Argentina. If I can do anything for you please let me know. The whole world is fecking crazy. Makes you wonder if the prophecies are true and He is coming back. Things aren't so hot business wise here for me, but I would be happy to try and help you in New Orleans area (large and rather rowdy gay community here). To everyone else have a safe and blessed New Year filled with love and music. Love Paz NP-Isn't It a Pity-George Harrison and Eric Clapton Japan 1991 (Thanks JVT) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:21:25 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC This is utter BULL SHIT Bob and you know it! This IS *OUR* list and Wally is *ours* as well. Why should be have to create another list to make "one" happy. Carry on and feel free to love and be loved. BTW Wally IS sick and I think he has worked very hard at it all his life to be that way so give the poor boy some credit. He is also VERY salacious, but he is GOOD at it. Chris I have not subscribed to the list as of yet cause of my forementioned reason. If Paul wants to discuss Joni Mitchell by himself, under his terms he can start his own list. Off to prepare by bod for the evenings festivities. WallyFacio if you are going to brave the night, you better wear your Gun Metal Blue Bullett Proof UndieAlls under the rest of your layers tonight. Be safe and well all (you too Paul!) y "hasta la inconsiencia" Yeeee haw! Paz on 12/31/01 5:18 AM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Although I find Paul's request selfish and mean spirited, maybe we should > consider creating a separate list, like the Jonifest list, dedicated to > finding solutions for Wally's situation.That way all of us who are concerned > for Wally can feel free to brainstorm and offer suggestions without offending > the Joni-onlies. And maybe we can even have some spirited Ed Ames and Joan > Armatrading discussions while we're at it! > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:38:16 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: njc Great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kept listening to Hejira, trying to get it. As you know, I really dig c and s and for the roses. Today; tonight "song for sharon" caught me. Wow!!!!!!!! Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:46:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Christmas njc <> Welcome, Joe...thanks for chiming in. And you may very well be right, but I think that for her Christmas & winter bring on a kind of depression. Obviously I don't know, and I think that's sort of human nature anyway. btw, while I appreciate your paranoia about the njc tag, you don't HAVE to include it when you're talking about Joni. > Bob > > NP: Awesome Grandpa, "forever" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:46:26 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: njc My dear friends. How can someone listen to something countless times and feel nothing? How can it be? Tonight, it fills me. Getting under my skin. Chills. Excitement. oooh. Have I changed? Has something new filled my body and who I am? Is change imminent? What is it? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 18:22:43 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc Fantastic,Mack!! I love "Song For Sharon"...........Sharon just means so much to me. I'm glad you get it. Now playing,to celebrate with you. Bree >Great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kept listening to Hejira, trying to get it. >As >you know, I really dig c and s and for the roses. Today; tonight "song for >sharon" caught me. Wow!!!!!!!! > >Mack _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 20:45:32 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: njc Thanks my dear. Wish you were here. Wish you all were here. I am hoisting up my one drink tonight to all of you. Happy New Year. Will never make midnight. Mack > Fantastic,Mack!! I love "Song For Sharon"...........Sharon just means so > much to me. I'm glad you get it. Now playing,to celebrate with you. > > Bree > > > >Great news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kept listening to Hejira, trying to get it. > >As > >you know, I really dig c and s and for the roses. Today; tonight "song for > >sharon" caught me. Wow!!!!!!!! > > > >Mack > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:24:09 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: njc This is a interesting question that you pose. I'm a person that either likes something right off the bat or I never will. Rather its music, food...people. With people, I'm either totally comfortable right away or a little on guard and not at ease. Joni touched me so deeply when I first heard/saw her at a concert many years ago. It hasn't stopped and it never will.....the joy, the awe, adoration, never before or since has someone (outside of family) have meant so much to me. (one exception to this, but this is for another day) SFS.....I could talk about this endlessly......the way she builds the song.....to a climactic finish.......a cinematic experience and her background vocals are just exquisite/intricate....so important to the song. To me Mack this song epitomizes her genius. There is no doubt once someone really listens and "gets it" can deny her this. I don't know why you didn't get until now......because she forces you to go with her? Cheers, to you, and everyone, enjoying a ginger ale and jack. Bree > >My dear friends. How can someone listen to something countless times and >feel >nothing? How can it be? Tonight, it fills me. Getting under my skin. >Chills. Excitement. oooh. > Have I changed? Has something new filled my body and who I am? Is >change >imminent? What is it? > >Mack _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 23:07:50 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Joni's bravery in song I had a bad day last week. My daughter left to go back to Connecticut and there was such a huge hole in my heart. As I looked at the air bed where she slept (only have one real bed) and at the shower gel she accidentally left behind. everything seemed to start falling apart. It got to the point where it became hard to cope. You may know how the downward spiral goes. First it's one thing, and then everything becomes hopeless and futile. In my desperation, I thought of Joni and how brave she always is when faced with the same situation. It dawned on me that writing songs was a deliberate act to combat the fears and the loneliness she felt at the time. I put on the CD "Court and Spark" because to me, it is one of her most personal and introspective works about herself. I listened to "Down To You" over and over because of its beautiful melodies and haunting lyrics. Again, I felt the catharsis of pain and emotional torture that we all put ourselves through from time to time. As I sang along through tears, I felt someone else understood what I was going through. I no longer felt alone. I thank God for her talent, and her bravery to be honest and truthful in song. No matter how she may question herself, no one can ever take away the contribution she has made to help heal the lives of others with her simple honesty. It was a struggle, but I got through the day and renewed my hope in mankind and in life. My daughter is grown now and must lead her own life. I really don't know where I would be without Joni's brave example of going on with life in spite of it all. I am truly grateful. Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 00:07:54 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: HAPPY nEW yEAR! NJC Happy New Year from Toronto to all of you! I can't believe it's 2002 already (or that I'm still up). May this year bring you much joy and peace and happy times - we all need that! NP Lhasa de Sela - de cara a la pared ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 02:23:20 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: happy new year njc happy new year everyone! I rang in the new year with that crazy italian family of mine doing shots of italian punch. mamma mia. I dread tomorrow's hangover. They are still there drinking. Not me, I'm home &off to bed. gnite love, rose ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #619 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?