From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #618 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 31 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 618 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- christmastime njc ["Ron Greer" ] Re: I hate Christmas (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Wally [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: I hate Christmas (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] RE: Wally ["Chris Marshall" ] WALLY - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Feliz_A=F1o_Nuevo?= ["Edgardo Viegas" ] Re: WALLY - NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: WALLY - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] WALLY - NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Annie Liebowitz photo of Joni [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: WALLY - NJC [colin ] Re: WALLY - NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: WALLY - NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: WALLY - NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: WALLY - NJC [Mags N Brei ] Sorrow ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] H.elping Wally - an e-mail list ["Chris Marshall" ] Dublin (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] DED redux ["J.David Sapp" ] Paul's private missive ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Paul's private missive [IVPAUL42@aol.com] RE: WALLY - NJC ["Chris Marshall" ] RE: Paul's private missive NJC ["Chris Marshall" ] Joni and Mark Eitzel ["michael o'malley" ] Re: Paul's private missive NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: young and mccartney (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Joni and The Buckleys [Jerry Notaro ] Joni & Wally ["William Waddell" ] Re: young and mccartney (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Wally njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni and Mark Eitzel [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] only-joni content, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Feliz_Aņo_Nuevo [Catherine McKay ] Joni News circa 1975 ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] back! (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: WALLY - NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: Unreleased 1971 Neil Young 'Sweet Joni' MP3 for your download (JC) ["] NJC [colin ] To everyone. Including Joni [" Russell Bowden" ] Re: Joni & Wally [Mags N Brei ] Re: christmastime njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Wally now njc [Catherine McKay ] Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? [Catherine McKay Subject: christmastime njc hi >>catherine wrote: >>I know my sisters feel the same way I do - we usually >>call each other on Christmas and wish each other a >>Merry Fucking Christmas. the inclusion of enough f^*&%%g will definitely brighten up christmas :-) i think half the problem is that most of us, as children are brought up to get all excited and happy at christmastime. i think this expectation of happiness and excitement somehow stays with us into adulthood, and when the "magic" doesnt appear we somehow feel cheated and disppointed. for example, when i was a kid, id write a letter to santa, and give it to my parents to post. come christmastime, thered be at least something that was on my list there under the tree. now, im grown up with children of my own. each year they write a letter to santa, and i put it in the post. and every year, there under the tree..... nothing...... its really tough to see the look of disappointment on the kids' faces when i have to explain to them that its probably because theyve been no-good, worthless, naughty children again..... ron ps - in case anyone should wonder the above is a *joke* somewhat sick, somewhat stupid, never funny, but a joke nevertheless. i dont even have any children........ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 04:35:35 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: I hate Christmas (NJC) Actually, I have trouble with most holidays, but for me, it is a time of soul searching and an attempt to heal my past. I think most of us have some pain from our childhood no matter how loving our parents may have been. My parents are both deceased which always causes some pain during the Holidays. To make a long story short, the holidays bring all of that pain and all of the memories to the surface and they are not pleasant to remember. I shed my share of tears as well, but I don't hate Christmas. Christmas had nothing to do with the sorrows of my past. All it is a mirror reflecting my life in comparison to what others consider a joyous time of year. I never measure up, but I think I'm not trying to anymore, if that makes any sense. My life has a lot of holes in it, but I am trying to find peace of mind and joy in spite of it all. I truly believe that most people are trying to do the same during this season. I think it's okay to hate the commercialism and all of the other trappings that have been added to Christmas. We visited my sister in law on Christmas Day and it was strained as usual. She is under the impression that a holiday will change everything and it won't. We all need to fix our relationships with each other first. This Christmas, I stopped caring about what other people thought and celebrated the season just because. Just because I am alive, just because I still have a roof over my head, just because I survived some trauma from the past...just because. This Christmas was for me. If you choose to celebrate the Holidays, always do it for yourself and no one else. Sherelle (Oh, and my daughter reminded me while visiting that when she was little, I never confirmed nor denied the existence of Santa Claus. I let her find out on her on. She thanked me for that.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 04:44:07 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally Dear Kate, I think this is an excellent idea. My heart breaks as I wish I could contribute more, but I am very unemployed at the moment. I would be willing to give a few bucks anyway because I believe so strongly that Wally must get out of their and start a new life with more freedom and liberty. Please let me know if this is a go and Wally, please let us know if you are willing to leave that place. Love, Sherelle In a message dated 12/31/2001 12:03:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:55:49 -0800 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: wally > > i am not marking this njc because i want everyone to read this.. > > wally, i am really concerned for you & wonder if it would be best if you > left.. > > jeff & i talked about the possibility of a bunch of us jmdlers chipping in & > > purchasing you a plane ticket out of there... > > is this naive of us to view this as something you could or would want to > do? > > i am on digest so messages get to me late...if anyone wants to comment on > this, please cc me on the post... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 04:47:27 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: I hate Christmas (NJC) Dear Mark, I enjoyed your story and appreciated you sharing your life with us. Just wanted you to know.... Sherelle In a message dated 12/31/2001 12:03:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Sorry if I bored you all > silly but now that I've written all of this I feel like it would be a waste > not to send it. Besides, with all of these 'I hate Christmas' posts I felt > like I had to set the record straigtht lest some of you believe that I > lived > my childhood in a Norman Rockwell painting. There's more to me than that. > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:34:24 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Wally Paul, Glad you're clearly as concerned as the rest of us. I count a grand total of 11 mails entitled "Wally" all of which are short and to the point. Is it really such a chore to delete or file these, given the seriousness of the situation and the fact that many people on the list would like do something to help? - --Chris Steve Epstein:- > > Wally is fine! IVPaul:- > Wonderful. > Can you please now start using the NJC tag for the Rescue > Wally discussion? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:18:56 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: WALLY - NJC Although I find Paul's request selfish and mean spirited, maybe we should consider creating a separate list, like the Jonifest list, dedicated to finding solutions for Wally's situation.That way all of us who are concerned for Wally can feel free to brainstorm and offer suggestions without offending the Joni-onlies. And maybe we can even have some spirited Ed Ames and Joan Armatrading discussions while we're at it! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 20:32:10 -0300 From: "Edgardo Viegas" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Feliz_A=F1o_Nuevo?= Un deseo de paz y esperanza para todos, confiando en que el maqana sera mejor para todos los habitantes del mundo. Quiero desearles a todos los miembros de JMDL un mejor aqo 2002. EDGARDO NESTOR VIEGAS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:04:36 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: WALLY - NJC I have a listserver available for use - just say the word and I'll set a list up. - --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On > Behalf Of Murphycopy@aol.com > Sent: 31 December 2001 13:19 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: WALLY - NJC > > > Although I find Paul's request selfish and mean spirited, > maybe we should consider creating a separate list, like the > Jonifest list, dedicated to finding solutions for Wally's > situation.That way all of us who are concerned for Wally can > feel free to brainstorm and offer suggestions without > offending the Joni-onlies. And maybe we can even have some > spirited Ed Ames and Joan Armatrading discussions while we're at it! > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:20:35 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC In a message dated 12/31/01 8:19:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > That way all of us who are concerned for Wally can feel free to brainstorm > and offer suggestions without offending the Joni-onlies. And maybe we can > even have some spirited Ed Ames and Joan Armatrading discussions while > we're at it! > > Hi Smurf! Good idea. I was thinking too that maybe we could schedule a time to meet in the JMDL chatroom to discuss this at a scheduled time. ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:22:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC Hi Gang, I've been out of pocket but am back in the saddle. Obviously I've read about Wally's plight and am as concerned as MOST of you. I can probably find Wally a job as a schoolteacher here. We have a large hispanic population, and I've got some good friends in high places with the school district. The pay may not be what he's accustomed to, but if it can provide him a way out of the downward spiral of Argentina, at least maybe it can give him a start. This IS South Carolina, so he'd have to be somewhat closeted regarding his sexual preferences, at least in order to get a job. (right, Mack?) Ashara or whoever is talking to him, see what he thinks. Bob NP: Mia Martini, "Taxi Giallo" (BYT in Italian) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:25:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell NJC Hi Deb/Catgirl, Glad to see your by-line here again! Welcome back. Bob NP: The Carol Hamersma Trio, "Chelsea Morning" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:53:40 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: WALLY - NJC God bless you, Bob. That's great news about possibly finding a job for Wally. The only question is, can our beloved birthday fairy hide those gossamer wings! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:12:37 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Annie Liebowitz photo of Joni In a message dated 12/30/01 9:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > There is lush green foliage all around her. She is wearing a loose > brown woven-looking garment with her hair hanging very naturally around her > face. She is looking off to her right, away from the camera. Very little > if > any makeup. Holding a cigarette, of course. The effect of the picture is > sad, haunting and yet comforting all at the same time. Mark and all: I've uploaded the photograph of Joni to Catgirl's Jonimitchellfans@yahoogroups.com as well as the Northeastjonifest@yahoogroups.com for those of you who aren't subscribed to either, email me and I'll send you the file. I've placed it in the Files section, rather than sending it as an email attachment. Want to warn you though, it's a large file. I only scanned one page of the photo as it extends over to a second page. Damn, I would have framed it if this wasn't the case. For those of you interested in Annie's book of photographs,"WOMEN" you can find it at almost any Borders. I believe I paid around $45.00 for it. A dollar well spent. All of the photos are beautiful, she's one of my heroes. Enjoy and Happy New Year ~love, rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:17:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC > This IS South Carolina, so he'd have to be somewhat closeted regarding his sexual preferences, at least in order to get a job. I can't imagine Wally going to a place where the state of his freedom and liberty would be worse........ > > > > Ashara or whoever is talking to him, see what he thinks. > > Bob > > NP: Mia Martini, "Taxi Giallo" (BYT in Italian) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:18:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC <> And I didn't mean to paint TOO tough a picture about that, but just being honest. While some discrimination has dissipated in this area, some remains, unfortunately. And even if Wally isn't interested in teaching, my company is having a pretty good boom and with his language skills there may be something available with Fluor. At any length, I'll certainly do what I can, as I know most of us will. To NOT do so would be a betrayal of my relationship to everything I hold dear. Bob NP: Jude, "Morning Morgantown" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:22:09 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC I don't think we need a separate list for Wally's situation. Let's just use the NJC tag, and continue. After all, it's what the NJC tag is for. I will call Wally either today or tomorrow and run Bob's idea with him. Thanks for all your ideas and concerns! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:23:29 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC I'll see and speak to my cousin Billy this evening who is a professor at a graduate school in Erie, PA about the possibility of finding employment for Wally there. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 07:55:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC Someone who lives downstairs from me is from Argentina.. do you want me to speak with her about this situation. Ashara, please call me today if so. love, Mags. - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > I don't think we need a separate list for Wally's situation. Let's > just use > the NJC tag, and continue. After all, it's what the NJC tag is for. I > will > call Wally either today or tomorrow and run Bob's idea with him. > Thanks for > all your ideas and concerns! > > Hugs, > Ashara ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:22:19 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Sorrow Dear Paul: It was with the greatest of sorrow that I read your message referring to our concerns for Wally as the "Rescue Wally discussion". That notwithstanding, to be so focused on a minute detail such as marking our discussion with NJC does not seem to reflect your finer points. Oh, technically Paul, you are correct. Stephen did not mark his missive with NJC. But it would seem the bigger person would overlook such an 'infraction' when we are talking about Wally's life. The most helpful suggestion I could make to you is for you to subscribe to the Only Joni list. That way none of us will burden you with infractions. And for Stephen...count me in brother. Tell me what we need to do. And thank you for so kindly contacting Wally and giving our list an update. Love and Peace........Sharon....who is busy making apple butter and apple sauce....and savoring some of the honey from her bee-girls. Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:17:13 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally In a message dated 12/31/01 12:06:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, sepstein@agmont.com writes: > Wally is fine! Wonderful. Can you please now start using the NJC tag for the Rescue Wally discussion? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:33:32 -0700 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: H.elping Wally - an e-mail list This is not marked NJC so that any one on the whole list may opt-in to this. This is the only NJC posting that will occur to advertise this. I have set up an e-mail list that anyone may join to discuss ways to help Wally to leave Argentina. You can sub.scribe by sending an e-mail to majordomo@secure-si.co.uk with a blank subject line and the words subscribe helpwally as the only text in the message body. My list server does not allow a single-shot subscription - to prevent malicious subscription of an e-mail address by a third party. Therefore, you will get two messages back from the list server. One will just tell you the results of the message you just sent:- [ Start of e-mail ] Subject: Majordomo results subscribe helpwally **** Your request to Majordomo@secure-si.co.uk: **** **** subscribe helpwally chris@secure-si.co.uk **** **** must be authenticated. To accomplish this, another **** request must be **** sent in with an authorization key, which has been sent to: **** Subject: DED redux i listened to DED for the first time in about 4 years last nite, it sounded better than i recall - some great melodies & lyrically it seems quite prophetic in light of recent events. HAPPY NEW YEAR and remember HAPPINESS IS THE BEST FACELIFT. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:58:24 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Paul's private missive I received the following private missive from Paul. I do not intend to carry this discussion any further. "I AM a Joni-Only subscriber, and I let the first dozen or so posts about Wally pass without comment, but as a Joni-only reader, I do not want to have to read about what is developing into the "continuing saga" of Wally K. In part that is because I know of several (at least three) good people who felt they had to leave the JMDL because of private messages they received from WallyK they could only describe as "sick." And I personally had to block any direct incoming e-mails from his address because of some vicious personal attacks he directed at me in private e-mails. Maybe he is schizo or something, but I personally want nothing to do with him ever and am not interested in reading about his "rescue." Please adhere to the rules about use of NJC regarding him or any other non-Joni thread. Thank you, Paul I" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:53:21 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Wally Delurking for this: Wally and I had been talking about something - which I have talked with a few others about too offlist - when like others I lost contact with him. This morning I was at the altar of our chapel discussing with God many things, including every concern that I am aware of that is in the life of my friends in the JMDL. Wally's situation was given considerable time. When God and I finished discussing Wally's plight it was my sense that Wally is going to be ok, safe, well. For whatever that is worth coming from me. A good deal of that will well be the love and concern that Wally has flowing to him from so many in here. As I have often quoted, we get by with a little help from our friends... or sometimes, a lot of help. In a world filled with pain and suffering on every level the concern for Wally is a reminder of what the JMDL is really all about - each other. To whomever is speaking with Wally, please let him know that I am praying for him. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:53:35 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Paul's private missive In a message dated 12/31/01 11:49:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, sharonbuffington@mediaone.net writes: > > I received the following private missive from Paul. I do not intend to > carry this discussion any further. > > Sharon, It is extremely poor Netiquette to post to a group a message sent to you privately without permission of the person who sent it to you. Apparently you are not a person to be trusted. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:01:49 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: WALLY - NJC With the one possible issue that there may be only-joni folk who do wish to discuss how he can be helped. The only way that can happen is with a separate list. It's there if it's decided that it'll be useful. I just worry that interested parties may be missed out if we use the NJC tag on the main list. - --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com] On > Behalf Of AsharaJM@aol.com > Sent: 31 December 2001 15:22 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC > > > I don't think we need a separate list for Wally's situation. > Let's just use > the NJC tag, and continue. After all, it's what the NJC tag > is for. I will > call Wally either today or tomorrow and run Bob's idea with > him. Thanks for > all your ideas and concerns! > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:06:21 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Paul's private missive NJC IVPaul:- > Sharon, > It is extremely poor Netiquette to post to a group a > message sent to you > privately without permission of the person who sent it to > you. Perhaps you should think harder about calling someone "sick" (OK, you didn't do it directly, but you clearly seem to agree with it) and thinking that people will stand idly by and let you do it. >Apparently you are not a person to be trusted. That's an insulting sweeping generalisation and you know it. - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:13:29 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Joni and Mark Eitzel Just finished reading Shadows and Light. While the book is a quick and interesting read, it certainly is not the definitive biography, since Joan, the person, largely eludes O'Brien. Instead we are escorted through Joni's career to date as musician and painter. This tidbit caught my eye from Appendix One - A Mitchell Miscellany. Joni claims she is a huge fan of San-Francisco based singer-songwriter Mark Eitzel. Here is a link to Mark Eitzel's musical offerings on CD NOW, complete with sound samples. http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=785166706/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/pops earch.html/clickID=tn_srch_txt Michaelo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:20:02 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Paul's private missive NJC In a message dated 12/31/01 12:05:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris@secure-si.co.uk writes: > IVPaul:- > > Sharon, > > It is extremely poor Netiquette to post to a group a > > message sent to you > > privately without permission of the person who sent it to > > you. > > Perhaps you should think harder about calling someone > "sick" (OK, you didn't do it directly, but you clearly > seem to agree with it) and thinking that people will > stand idly by and let you do it. > that was not my word, but a direct quote from one of those affected. You can look it up in the JMDL archives if you don't believe me. Based on my personal experience, however, his uninvited private posts to me seemed to confirm he had some problem. We've been over this before on this list, no one should post publicly a private message without the sender's permission, regardless of the content. In any case, I appreciate the NJC tags that are now on the Rescue Wally posts and I trust they will remain there. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:31:25 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: young and mccartney (njc) Not to question their sincerity, but there is something about tragedy that really brings out the banality. - -Fred >Neil sings: > >No one has the answers, >But one thing is true, >You got to turn on evil, >When it's comin' after you. > >You got to face it down, >And when it tries to hide, >You got to go in after it, >And never be denied. > > >and then there's mccartney.... > >This is my right >A right given by God >To live a free life >To live in freedom > >Talkin' about freedom >I'm talkin' 'bout freedom >I will fight >For the right >To live in freedom > >Anyone tries to take it away >They'll have to answer >'Cause this is my right ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:55:57 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni and The Buckleys from Dream Brother: The Lives and Music of Jeff and Tim Buckley by David Browne: Moorhead's (Jeff's stepfather) VW camper panel van was equipped with a stereo, and Scotty (Jeff) would often fall asleep next to the speakers as Led Zeppelin and the Doors blared, the music becoming implanted into his subconscious. Mary (Jeff's mother), meanwhile, introduced her son to the music of Barbra Streisand, Carole King, and Joni Mitchell- "your basic drag-queen music diet," he would later crack to a reporter - and played Bach, Chopin, and Mendelssohn on the living-room piano. Jerry np: David Blue - The Gasman Won't Buy Your Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 17:08:29 -0000 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Joni & Wally Here's the JC. I love Joni Mitchell. She's the best. My favourite Joni song is Dancing Clown. My favourite Joni album is CMIARS. I love Joni Mitchell. We love Wally. IVPaul wrote and I quote; I see your point. Fair enough. If you all do, can someone please Cc any news to me now and again at willytheshake100@hotmail.com if it's not too much bother. I haven't heard from him and he's not one not to reply. Tho' given the circumstances ... Willy the Shake "Wally is our child ... " ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:51:54 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: young and mccartney (njc) > Not to question their sincerity, but there is something about tragedy that > really brings out the banality. > > -Fred Thank YOU, Fred! Glad I wasn't the only one who thought so. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:02:11 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally njc In a message dated 12/31/01 12:51:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, willytheshake100@hotmail.com writes: > We love Wally. I guess you have to know the man to truly appreciate him. When I was down and out I cried out to Wally and he came running with the strength of a team of horses. I'll never forget that, but even if it weren't so, I'd still be there for him. He is a sweetie. ~rose in nj Wishing you too Willy The Shake health, wealth and happiness in the coming New Year ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:11:15 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Mark Eitzel I imagine the only AUTHORITATIVE biography is going to be the AUTObiography! ;~) Neat to see that she likes Eitzel...I've tried to get into his stuff, from way back in the American Music Club days, but it just hasn't clicked for me yet. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "Alison" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:15:18 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: only-joni content, NJC Hey fatcats2, What's up with you? If you must continue to troll for a flame war about posts that lack Joni Content, you must label the discussion with the "NJC" or "njc" label. This is a requirement in exchange for the joy of participating. May I suggest, however, that you post something about Joni rather than against NJC. I mean, if you're here because you're interested in JC, why are you discussing NJC with your valuable Time? What do you see as her strengths? What are you curious about? What would you like to discuss? Let's jump in, bud. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:39:47 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Feliz_Aņo_Nuevo Feliz ano nuevo, Edgardo! - --- Edgardo Viegas wrote: > Un deseo de paz y esperanza para todos, confiando en > que el maqana sera mejor > para todos los habitantes del mundo. Quiero > desearles a todos los miembros de > JMDL un mejor aqo 2002. > > > > EDGARDO NESTOR VIEGAS ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:48:00 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Joni News circa 1975 Hey all, I spent some time with new music friends in Louisville, Kentucky. A recording engineer/guitarist named Phil played in a pickup band on the East Coast in '75. He belonged to a loose affiliation of jazz folks attached to Wolftrap amphitheater. He was hired to support an East Coast tour, in place of the L.A. Express for a certian Canadian-American singer/songwriter. He never talked to her directly and doesn't remember who was the musical director who acted as Joni's liason. Phil also played clarinet on "Real Good, For Free" on that tour for that same songwriter. Neat huh? My first friend who's played with her. He said he used to have a tape around somewhere of one of the shows but he said that the sound quality is seriously lacking. News as it happens. (Yes, this is a true story.) Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:53:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: back! (njc) my cable connection has just been reinstated!!!!! i've downloaded a million posts from the jmdl but i haven't read them yet. i just wanted to let you know that i'm fine and that we have no president ... again! rumor has it that we can withdraw $1,000 from our bank accounts today. banks will be open until 8 pm. so if you'll excuse me, i'm running out of the house this minute. i see a lot of wally-related subject lines on my screen, even a few from paul I!!!!! never thought i'd live to see that! you don't know how very much i missed you. later. wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 14:11:58 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: WALLY - NJC In a message dated 12/31/01 12:00:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, chris@secure-si.co.uk writes: > With the one possible issue that there may be only-joni > folk who do wish to discuss how he can be helped. The only > way that can happen is with a separate list. Ah, very good point, Chris. Thanks for setting it up! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:21:54 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Unreleased 1971 Neil Young 'Sweet Joni' MP3 for your download (JC) Hey Guy, Thanks for sending that, i enjoyed it a lot. I've always loved Neil. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Guy Brown Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 3:33 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Unreleased 1971 Neil Young 'Sweet Joni' MP3 for your download (JC) I remastered the best sounding copy of this rare song I could find in my collection. If you haven't heard this you should. Download it from www.rain.org\~guyb Save the file NY Sweet Joni Live 1971.MP3 to your local machine. Its about 3MB in size, and is made as a 192K MP3 which, frankly sounds as good as the original. All the recordings I could find all seem to come from the same performance - 1971 (?) Bakersfield, CA. It is an audience recording, and before the song NY tells the audience he has never played this song before to anyone. Perhaps this is the one and only performance of it in existence. Maybe some NY expert can enlighten me. I'll leave the MP3 up at rain.org for a week or so. Enjoy. Sweet Joni, from Saskatoon. Here's a ring for your finger. It looks like the sun but feels like the moon. Sweet Joni, from Saskatoon. Don't go, don't go too soon. Who lives in an old hotel? Near the ancient ruins. Only time can tell, time can tell. Go easy the doorman said. The floor is slippery. So watch your head. The message read. Sweet Joni, from Saskatoon. Here's a ring for your finger. It shines like the sun but feels like the moon. Sweet Joni, from Saskatoon. Don't go, don't go too soon. Lyrics by Neil Young (c) Broken Arrow Music 1971 Merry Xmas and a happy, happy new year to all at JMDL from GUY ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 19:40:04 +0000 From: colin Subject: NJC Hope we all have a wonderful, enlightening 2002. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:48:53 -0800 From: " Russell Bowden" Subject: To everyone. Including Joni Gang, Wishing you all a very Happy New Year. We have a new Joni recording to look forward to, so it's already great! Love, Russ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni & Wally and here is my Joni content...I love Joni too. .. because of Joni, Brei and I "are". Um...lets see.. we have spent every day of our holiday for the past two weeks talking about Joni... I am Canadian, so is Joni... I think this community is the most amazing, loving, caring group of people that I have known, ever. For everyone to reach out and touch the situation Wally is in is so moving. Paul, Im very sorry for you if you cant see the purpose behind the NJC for this issue with Wally. Wally...my home is open to you... Canada welcomes refugees so let me know what you think. Mi futon es tu futon. And I am serious...for as long as you need it. love, sistah magsie and the duck. xo - --- William Waddell wrote: > Here's the JC. > I love Joni Mitchell. > She's the best. > My favourite Joni song is Dancing Clown. > My favourite Joni album is CMIARS. > I love Joni Mitchell. > We love Wally. > > IVPaul wrote and I quote; > discussion? > Thanks.> > > I see your point. Fair enough. If you all do, can someone please Cc > any news > to me now and again at willytheshake100@hotmail.com if it's not too > much > bother. I haven't heard from him and he's not one not to reply. Tho' > given > the circumstances ... > Willy the Shake > "Wally is our child ... " ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:01:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Joni & Wally and here is my Joni content...I love Joni too. .. because of Joni, Brei and I "are". Um...lets see.. we have spent every day of our holiday for the past two weeks talking about Joni... I am Canadian, so is Joni... I think this community is the most amazing, loving, caring group of people that I have known, ever. For everyone to reach out and touch the situation Wally is in is so moving. Paul, Im very sorry for you if you cant see the purpose behind the NJC for this issue with Wally. Wally...my home is open to you... Canada welcomes refugees so let me know what you think. Mi futon es tu futon. And I am serious...for as long as you need it. love, sistah magsie and the duck. xo - --- William Waddell wrote: > Here's the JC. > I love Joni Mitchell. > She's the best. > My favourite Joni song is Dancing Clown. > My favourite Joni album is CMIARS. > I love Joni Mitchell. > We love Wally. > > IVPaul wrote and I quote; > discussion? > Thanks.> > > I see your point. Fair enough. If you all do, can someone please Cc > any news > to me now and again at willytheshake100@hotmail.com if it's not too > much > bother. I haven't heard from him and he's not one not to reply. Tho' > given > the circumstances ... > Willy the Shake > "Wally is our child ... " ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:42:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: christmastime njc - --- Ron Greer wrote: > now, im grown up with children of my own. each year > they write a letter to santa, and i put it in the > post. and every year, there under the tree..... > nothing...... > > its really tough to see the look of disappointment > on the kids' faces when i have to explain to them > that its probably because theyve been no-good, > worthless, naughty children again..... Ron, you are a terrible person! But very funny! Look at it this way, if you did have kids and you did do this every year, they would never expect anything - and therefore, they couldn't be disappointed! Catherine, who resisted putting a lump of coal in the ex's stocking (or somewhere else!) because I'm just *above* that, you know! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:54:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wally now njc Paul, it's unfortunate that you had a difficult personal experience with Wally. That's not the person many of us know and I did have the privilege of meeting him in person this past Labour Day weekend at Jonifest. I found him to be a kind, generous, passionate, funny person and I'm sorry your experience wasn't a good one. We've had similar discussions on-list about another (former) jmdler, where some had good experiences and others not-so-good, and I'm sure there have been other cases I'm just not aware of. I can honestly say that I've rarely met a person I don't like (just a little bit anyway - some are harder to like than others) and even when I do meet someone who gets my hackles up, I usually try to find something good about them. (Negative - he's so anal-retentive! Positive - he's very good at detail work!) I have a hard time understanding people who react very strongly and negatively to others, but I realize that it happens a lot. Your point about being sure to njc is well-taken, if blunt, but an honest mistake (for some)and deliberately done (by others) in order to reach listers on the joni-only lists that know Wally. Have a Happy New Year, Paul - I mean it most sincerely, no sarcasm. I do appreciate your joni- and other-music-related posts, so please keep them coming. ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:01:51 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:05:50 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? Yes. - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:15:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? LOL, Catherine... That one actually flew off before I could write it. But I think her writing reflects that Christmas is just one more thing that doesn't live up to the hype. Why else would she throw the Christmas reference into "Chinese Cafe", except to set up the contrast of the supposed joy of the season against her own melancholia? I think if you were to distill her body of work into a single theme, it's that nothing (love, political power, fame) is what it's cracked up to be. Maybe that's why her signature song is Both Sides Now, because it's a microcosm of that bittersweet theme; of moving from naivete to knowledge. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" 5/15/96 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:15:35 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? LOL, Catherine... That one actually flew off before I could write it. But I think her writing reflects that Christmas is just one more thing that doesn't live up to the hype. Why else would she throw the Christmas reference into "Chinese Cafe", except to set up the contrast of the supposed joy of the season against her own melancholia? I think if you were to distill her body of work into a single theme, it's that nothing (love, political power, fame) is what it's cracked up to be. Maybe that's why her signature song is Both Sides Now, because it's a microcosm of that bittersweet theme; of moving from naivete to knowledge. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" 5/15/96 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 16:24:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > LOL, Catherine... > > That one actually flew off before I could write it. I knew that - I was just havin' fun with ya! > But I think her writing reflects that Christmas is > just one more thing that doesn't live up to the > hype. > > Why else would she throw the Christmas reference > into "Chinese Cafe", except to set up the contrast > of the supposed joy of the season against her own > melancholia? > I agree. And River is the ultimate Christmas downer (in a way). "It's coming on Christmas/They're cutting down trees/ They're putting up reindeer/ And singing songs of joy and peace/ Oh, I wish I had a river I could skate away on..." It's not about the wonderful Christmas tree and how pretty it is - it's about cutting down trees. And putting up reindeer? Sounds like maybe they're being crucified! (Maybe I'm going too far with that - depends on what kind of a mood I'm in at the time!) There's also kind of a bitterness in her voice when she sings that song - and then, she wants to just skate away from it all. Jeez, what a great song for bringing out the melancholy! The other day, they were playing something they call disc-lexia on one of our local radio stations, and they played Robert Downey Jr's version of River - when he sings "they're cutting down trees", it really sounds like "they're cutting down cheese!" which kind of ruins the mood - however, if you have a sick sense of humour, it works. ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 15:36:34 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Paul's private missive Good move Sharon. Waste of time anyway. Mack > I received the following private missive from Paul. I do not intend to > carry this discussion any further. > > "I AM a Joni-Only subscriber, and I let the first dozen or so posts > about Wally pass without > comment, but as a Joni-only reader, I do not want to have to read about > what is developing into > the "continuing saga" of Wally K. > In part that is because I know of several (at least three) good people > who felt they had to leave > the JMDL because of private messages they received from WallyK they > could only describe as > "sick." > And I personally had to block any direct incoming e-mails from his > address because of some > vicious personal attacks he directed at me in private e-mails. > Maybe he is schizo or something, but I personally want nothing to do > with him ever and am > not interested in reading about his "rescue." > Please adhere to the rules about use of NJC regarding him or any other > non-Joni thread. > Thank you, > Paul I" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 13:57:36 -0800 From: Julius Raymond Subject: Re: Don't you think that Joni hates Christmas too? Not exactly. I think her feeling about Christmas are quite complex, really. I've always felt that Joni has an amazing intuitiveness and understanding of the emotional impact of Christmas to some - the hopefulness and wistfulness, comingled with tradition and melancholy. These expressive elements in her music and writing are part of what has drawn me to her. The feelings she imbues "River" and "Facelift" with, for example. This time of year represents major milestones in Joni's life. From her "Rolling Stone" interview with Cameron Crowe in 1979: "I guess I really started singing when I had polio. Neil {Young} and I both got polio in the same Canadian epidemic. I was nine, and they put me in a polio ward over Christmas. They said I might not walk again and that I would not be able to go home for Christmas. I wouldn't go for it. So I started to sing Christmas carols, and I used to sing them real loud. When the nurse came into the room I would sing louder. The boy in the bed next to me, you know, used to complain. And I discovered I was a ham. That was the first time I started to sing for people." I'm super-anxious for Joni to go forward with her promised Christmas album. Remember that? From an interview with Hotpress in April 2000: "Indeed, Mitchell says her latest album (BSN) is the first in a trilogy. The next will feature her own songs in a symphonic setting. And the third album will take her all the way back to the moment she first discovered music while hospitalised as a child, and is tentatively titled Have Yourself A Dreary Little Christmas. Cynical? You bet. "It will include four of my 'something bad always happens at Christmas' songs, four secular Christmas songs and four carols. I want to make a play out of it," she explains." She also has said she likes to gift people on Christmas. From a radio interview with Lindey Moon in '88: DJ: You are an accomplished painter. You've had exhibitions. By the way, what do you do with your pictures? Do you just keep them all at home? JM: Yeah -- you know, I was reluctant to put a price on their head for many years. But at the end of every graphic project, putting together the albums, we would have -- Glen Christiansen, who is my art director and I -- we would have bits and pieces that we felt were fine art as opposed to commercial art. So we would make a limited edition. This limited edition was traditionally paid for by the record company. We would then split the pieces fifty-fifty. They would give them out at Christmas to their A mailing list people, and I would give mine away to friends. And I enjoyed this process of being able to give my work at Christmastime, and, you know, if I go into the homes of my friends, this is all prominently displayed, whereas the A mailing list people began to sell theirs. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #618 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?