From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #617 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 31 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 617 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: December 30 [les@jmdl.com] Re: 6:40 am njc [FredNow@aol.com] Re: I hate christmas NJC [FredNow@aol.com] young and mccartney (njc) [shane ] Re: Sign of the times (NJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] re: 6:40 am njc [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: I hate christmas NJC [Catherine McKay ] violence again ["Steve Polifka" ] Re: I hate christmas NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: violence again [Catherine McKay ] Re: joni and saskatoon celebrities [Randy Remote ] Joni on "Top of the Clock" [Les Irvin ] Re: I hate christmas NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] wally ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: wally [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: I hate christmas NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: I hate christmas NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] henry bonli's art [Rick and Susan ] Annie Liebowitz ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Annie Liebowitz [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: I hate christmas NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: wally [Phyliss Ward ] Re: wally [Catherine McKay ] Re: wally [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: wally [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: wally [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni Mitchell [cat627@cs.com] Doris Duke Estate NJC [rosemjoy@aol.com] Re: wally [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: wally [AsharaJM@aol.com] Article from LA Times [Les Irvin ] Wally ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Wally [IVPAUL42@aol.com] (njc) Anybody recognize this heavenly line? [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:14:07 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 30 On December 30 these articles were published: 1997: "New Year's party for Joni Mitchell" - Calgary Sun (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/971230cs.cfm 1999: "The Party 2000" - Rolling Stone (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/991230rs.cfm - ------------------------ http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:14:40 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: 6:40 am njc "Wally Kairuz" wrote: >violence again ... protesters ... police ... tear gas ... flames ... >it all happened a few hours ago, during my birthday party. "Too much fucking perspective!" - David St. Hubbins - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 04:29:14 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: I hate christmas NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: >I learned that the whole Santa Claus bit was a lie from my first-grade >pal ... Besides souring Christmas forever, the news made me >permanently skeptical of authority. Well, at least it wasn't a total loss. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 02:33:48 -0700 From: shane Subject: young and mccartney (njc) Let's Roll, Neil Young's song for flight 93, and the story of its release is at: http://hyperrust.org/News/Flash/LetsRoll.html if you have a real media player, just click: http://demand2.stream.aol.com/ramgen/wmg/us/wbr/neilyoung/letsroll100.rm Neil sings: No one has the answers, But one thing is true, You got to turn on evil, When it's comin' after you. You got to face it down, And when it tries to hide, You got to go in after it, And never be denied. and then there's mccartney.... This is my right A right given by God To live a free life To live in freedom Talkin' about freedom I'm talkin' 'bout freedom I will fight For the right To live in freedom Anyone tries to take it away They'll have to answer 'Cause this is my right shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 09:04:56 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Sign of the times (NJC) That's excellent. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 07:23:01 -0800 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: re: 6:40 am njc Wally!!!!! How can we help??? Can we do anything to keep you connected to us??? It's amazing to think of the fragility of what keeps this community together. It's just signals sent over wires. Amazing, isn't it? I feel so utterly helpless. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:28:27 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I hate christmas NJC - --- Rick and Susan wrote: > No I don't, but I didn't want to break the thread. > > I don't hate Christmas, never have, but the > celebration that it has evolved > into in my family makes it very special. That sounds like Christmas to me, Rick! If you don't mind, I'm going to steal your idea! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 10:28:35 -0600 From: "Steve Polifka" Subject: violence again Wally Wrote: >i am a prisoner now. i am living in cuba, for all i know >every new day that i can still be online is a miracle. when our money is >finally converted into the new useless currency, most companies will leave >the country. internet will be a memory. we will regress 30 years. >inexorably, i too will disappear. i will be fenced in by poverty. >i want to leave a record of these last days, not because i think that i >deserve to be remembered but because i believe that telling my story until >the last minute is a way of fighting. i will be engulfed by oblivion, it >can't be helped. but i will talking to you when i go. >wally Hi Wally, You are one hell of a man, Wally. You have so much conviction and inner strength that I know you will persevere through this tough time. I'm here for you, so if you need to talk, please write. If there is anything I can do, please let me know. Sending you love and light, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:31:11 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I hate christmas NJC - --- FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > >I learned that the whole Santa Claus bit was a lie > from my first-grade > >pal ... Besides souring Christmas forever, the news > made me > >permanently skeptical of authority. > > Well, at least it wasn't a total loss. > > -Fred LOL! Fred, that was a good one! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:41:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: violence again Wally Wrote: > >i am a prisoner now. i am living in cuba, for all i > know > > >every new day that i can still be online is a > miracle. when our money is > >finally converted into the new useless currency, > most companies will leave > >the country. internet will be a memory. we will > regress 30 years. > >inexorably, i too will disappear. i will be fenced > in by poverty. > > >i want to leave a record of these last days, not > because i think that i > >deserve to be remembered but because i believe that > telling my story until > >the last minute is a way of fighting. i will be > engulfed by oblivion, it > >can't be helped. but i will talking to you when i > go. > > >wally > > Steve replied: > Hi Wally, > You are one hell of a man, Wally. You have so > much conviction and inner > strength that > I know you will persevere through this tough time. > I'm here for you, so if you > need to talk, please write. > If there is anything I can do, please let me know. > Sending you love and light, Wally, you are not going to disappear. Ever. I saw pictures of this in today's morning paper. Scary stuff. I don't get it, not at all. I'm not political and I don't know much about Argentina (unless there's something like this going on, so it always seems to be about coups, and wars). When this is all over, can you please explain to me what this is all about? How does this stuff happen? It can't just happen overnight, so what are the warning signs? It worries me because every country (that I know of) has huge debts to other countries and deficits and so on. Canada has these too and yet, we continue to lend to other countries. I don't understand how we can lend money to other people when we're already in debt to someone else (where does the money we're lending to someone else come from if we apparently don't have any?) And our Canadian dollar keeps dropping too (compared to US$ - why does the currency of one country depend on the currency of another? Why isn't there an international standard that isn't related to any country at all? One day, whoever we owe all this money to (for all we know, it could be bin Laden!) is going to foreclose and just take us over - that's the way it seems. The value of currency is all related to people's emotional state - if I worry that the dollar is going to go down, I will panic and try to get rid of all my money and get something more stable before everyone else thinks of it - and then, my worst fears come true because of fear? It's a pretty sorry state of affairs when, no matter how advanced and civilized we believe we've become, we're still ruled by basic instinct, fear being the primary driver of it all. So much for evolution. ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:30:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni and saskatoon celebrities nice early 60's Joni pic I had not seen before, looks like she's on the set of a Canadian TV studio. shane wrote: > hoping y'all have a smokin' new years' > eve (i know joni will!) and a great new > year... > > saskatoon public library has a cute page > with a dandy and smart looking joni photo: > > http://www.publib.saskatoon.sk.ca/LHCelebrities.html > > enjoy, > > shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:26:52 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni on "Top of the Clock" At 12/29/2001 07:04 PM, shane wrote: >saskatoon public library has a cute page >with a dandy and smart looking joni photo: > >http://www.publib.saskatoon.sk.ca/LHCelebrities.html Apparently, this is a photo from a 60's era CFQC-TV show called "Top of the Clock" with Vern Prior. Does anyone know anything else about this show or Joni's involvement in it? Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:03:09 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: I hate christmas NJC i had my fair share of feeling the christmas yuck for years because of the expense of buying gifts when i was a poor struggling single parent...i got sick each & every year for many years & was always relieved when new years was done & life would get back to normal... a few weeks ago i watched a show on the history channel about the history of christmas...it was really interesting because christmas was not really celebrated until recently & its origins were not religious (the show stated that christ who is believed to have been born in the summer months)...did anyone else watch this? but now, for me...there is a simple beauty to be found at this time of year that has to do with putting up lights & gathering together with friends & family during the dark & colder winter months... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 13:03:07 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC LOL Anne, I have come sooo close to doing that many times! >I think the NJC tag works just fine EXCEPT... I sometimes put NJC on private email to people who don't even know what the JMDL is... Does anyone else do that??? lots of love Anne< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:55:49 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: wally i am not marking this njc because i want everyone to read this.. wally, i am really concerned for you & wonder if it would be best if you left.. jeff & i talked about the possibility of a bunch of us jmdlers chipping in & purchasing you a plane ticket out of there... is this naive of us to view this as something you could or would want to do? i am on digest so messages get to me late...if anyone wants to comment on this, please cc me on the post... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:00:30 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: wally In a message dated 12/30/01 7:53:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > jeff & i talked about the possibility of a bunch of us jmdlers chipping in & > purchasing you a plane ticket out of there... > Kate & Jeff, what's on your mind is on my mind as well. I'm very worried as I know all of us are, especially Ashara. Wally, would you please consider getting the hell out of there for the time being? Are you there, please respond and let us know you are OK. ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:24:53 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: I hate christmas NJC > but now, for me...there is a simple beauty to be found at this time of year > that has to do with putting up lights & gathering together with friends & > family during the dark & colder winter months... Well it's pretty obvious that I was raised to believe that Christmas is a very special time of the year. Not only my maternal grandparents but my mother also worked very hard to make it that way. Of course she was a stay at home mom & times were very different. I certainly do realize that there are many people who did not have the same childhood experience that I did. I also understand how people who were raised with it can come to hate Christmas. There is no magic exemption granted to December 25th that bad things will never happen to good people on that day. A very dear friend of mine & Edward's died on Christmas Day in 1991. His partner who just passed away a few years ago could never completely enjoy the holiday again. My first Christmas after Edward died, I debated whether I wanted to put up a tree (one of my favorite things) but somebody said to me 'Do it. You'll feel worse if you don't.' They were right. I made up my mind that I wasn't going to let Christmas be ruined for me. But that's me. Other people feel differently, I know, and they have a perfect right to those feelings. If Christmas ain't your thang, the heck with it. Christmas Day when I was a kid was spent with the Scotts and that was a very different experience from Christmas Eve at the Thiems. We would go to one of my aunt's house. The men would sit in front of the tv, drinking beer & watching football while the women worked on getting dinner ready in the kitchen. After dinner there was usually a poker game. There was always plenty of alcohol at the Scott family Christmases. I remember there was this couple that my aunt would invite every year, friends of the family. These people were definitely alcoholics and as my female cousins got older they began to complain that the husband got 'too free with his hands with the girls'. Certainly there were one or two of those Christmases that were tainted by hurt feelings or anger, usually as a result of people having too much to drink. The Scotts are a sometimes overly sensitive bunch. But I loved those family gatherings as much as the Christmas Eve parties at my mom's parents. The Scotts are more demonstrative & expressive of their feelings than the Thiems. I would usually spend Christmas night at my Aunt Doris's house, playing games with my cousins til after midnight. They lived in half of a run-down duplex and partly because Doris worked outside the home, she really didn't do much in the way of house-keeping. The place was always a mess. But I loved the time I spent there. So I have a kind of running conflict in my psyche, I guess. My dad's family were blue-collar people, oftentimes blunt and quick to anger but they were also affectionate & open. I think of the Scott family gatherings as being a lot more fun than the Thiems. By the time I came along, the Thiems were upper-middle class people, my grandparents being fairly well off. They are much more reserved than the Scotts and more inclined to be aware of class distinctions. The result is that I like the nice things that money can buy although I have an unfortunate tendency not to take as good care of them as I should. I also enjoy music and the arts. But at the same time I am suspicious and sometimes judgemental of people who have money or who are more knowledgeable about cultural things than I am. If anything or anybody seems remotely pretentious to me, I tend to dismiss it or them outright. It can be an unfortunate tendency. But back to Christmas. I was getting to the point where I was getting way too stressed about it and enjoying it less every year. Finally I decided to scale it back. Why make yourself miserable? Find ways to make it simpler & be able to relax and enjoy it. Of course I don't have kids and I can understand how it's more difficult to do that for people who do. I know that some people also feel pressure to make Christmas into some kind of idyllic family celebration because their own parents (their mothers in particular) seemed to be able to do that. Life is too complicated nowadays for us to put that kind of burden on ourselves! I don't subscribe to any religion so I've sort of rationalized Christmas as the birth of an idea more than the birth of one man. To me it's the concept of love & having compassion for one another that I celebrate at Christmas. I do agree that the commercialism that has been piled all over the holiday is abhorrent. But I also think there are ways to separate that from the holiday and find something meaningful in it. I was thinking during the last week that I should stop sending these rambling personal observations to the list. Where did that particular thought go? At least the NJC tag's on this one. Sorry if I bored you all silly but now that I've written all of this I feel like it would be a waste not to send it. Besides, with all of these 'I hate Christmas' posts I felt like I had to set the record straigtht lest some of you believe that I lived my childhood in a Norman Rockwell painting. There's more to me than that. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:37:58 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: I hate christmas NJC Don't stop Mark. I enjoy em. Mack > > but now, for me...there is a simple beauty to be found at this time of > year > > that has to do with putting up lights & gathering together with friends & > > family during the dark & colder winter months... > > Well it's pretty obvious that I was raised to believe that Christmas is a > very special time of the year. Not only my maternal grandparents but my > mother also worked very hard to make it that way. Of course she was a stay > at home mom & times were very different. I certainly do realize that there > are many people who did not have the same childhood experience that I did. > I also understand how people who were raised with it can come to hate > Christmas. There is no magic exemption granted to December 25th that bad > things will never happen to good people on that day. A very dear friend of > mine & Edward's died on Christmas Day in 1991. His partner who just passed > away a few years ago could never completely enjoy the holiday again. My > first Christmas after Edward died, I debated whether I wanted to put up a > tree (one of my favorite things) but somebody said to me 'Do it. You'll > feel worse if you don't.' They were right. I made up my mind that I wasn't > going to let Christmas be ruined for me. But that's me. Other people feel > differently, I know, and they have a perfect right to those feelings. If > Christmas ain't your thang, the heck with it. > > Christmas Day when I was a kid was spent with the Scotts and that was a very > different experience from Christmas Eve at the Thiems. We would go to one > of my aunt's house. The men would sit in front of the tv, drinking beer & > watching football while the women worked on getting dinner ready in the > kitchen. After dinner there was usually a poker game. There was always > plenty of alcohol at the Scott family Christmases. I remember there was > this couple that my aunt would invite every year, friends of the family. > These people were definitely alcoholics and as my female cousins got older > they began to complain that the husband got 'too free with his hands with > the girls'. Certainly there were one or two of those Christmases that were > tainted by hurt feelings or anger, usually as a result of people having too > much to drink. The Scotts are a sometimes overly sensitive bunch. But I > loved those family gatherings as much as the Christmas Eve parties at my > mom's parents. The Scotts are more demonstrative & expressive of their > feelings than the Thiems. I would usually spend Christmas night at my Aunt > Doris's house, playing games with my cousins til after midnight. They lived > in half of a run-down duplex and partly because Doris worked outside the > home, she really didn't do much in the way of house-keeping. The place was > always a mess. But I loved the time I spent there. > > So I have a kind of running conflict in my psyche, I guess. My dad's family > were blue-collar people, oftentimes blunt and quick to anger but they were > also affectionate & open. I think of the Scott family gatherings as being a > lot more fun than the Thiems. By the time I came along, the Thiems were > upper-middle class people, my grandparents being fairly well off. They are > much more reserved than the Scotts and more inclined to be aware of class > distinctions. The result is that I like the nice things that money can buy > although I have an unfortunate tendency not to take as good care of them as > I should. I also enjoy music and the arts. But at the same time I am > suspicious and sometimes judgemental of people who have money or who are > more knowledgeable about cultural things than I am. If anything or anybody > seems remotely pretentious to me, I tend to dismiss it or them outright. It > can be an unfortunate tendency. > > But back to Christmas. I was getting to the point where I was getting way > too stressed about it and enjoying it less every year. Finally I decided to > scale it back. Why make yourself miserable? Find ways to make it simpler & > be able to relax and enjoy it. Of course I don't have kids and I can > understand how it's more difficult to do that for people who do. I know > that some people also feel pressure to make Christmas into some kind of > idyllic family celebration because their own parents (their mothers in > particular) seemed to be able to do that. Life is too complicated nowadays > for us to put that kind of burden on ourselves! > > I don't subscribe to any religion so I've sort of rationalized Christmas as > the birth of an idea more than the birth of one man. To me it's the concept > of love & having compassion for one another that I celebrate at Christmas. > I do agree that the commercialism that has been piled all over the holiday > is abhorrent. But I also think there are ways to separate that from the > holiday and find something meaningful in it. > > I was thinking during the last week that I should stop sending these > rambling personal observations to the list. Where did that particular > thought go? At least the NJC tag's on this one. Sorry if I bored you all > silly but now that I've written all of this I feel like it would be a waste > not to send it. Besides, with all of these 'I hate Christmas' posts I felt > like I had to set the record straigtht lest some of you believe that I lived > my childhood in a Norman Rockwell painting. There's more to me than that. > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 20:45:21 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Near Death Experiences NJC Hello, Today I read a fascinating book called Passage by Connie Willis. It's modern day science fiction about near death experiences. I thought it was amazing. a truly original (neither new age nor skeptical) take on the subject. are there any other books out there on the subject that anyone can recommend? thanks, Mary K ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:46:42 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: wally count me in Kate. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:56:53 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: henry bonli's art Henry Bonli was an art teacher of Joni's in Saskatoon who was the inspiration for Joni changing her name from Joan to Joni (She liked the way it looked according to the Shadows and Light biography). He was also an indirect influence in her art direction in that she rebelled against his teaching her about "shades of putty and beige" when what she wanted was colour. Here's what he's doing now: http://www.allart.net/henry.htm Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:12:45 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Annie Liebowitz Melanie, our friend Val & her daughter Rachel, Travis & I went to see the exhibit of Annie Liebowitz' photos that is now showing at the Seattle Art Museum. With the exception of Rachel, these are the people I was with when I saw Joni for the first time at the Gorge in 1998. Catherine Turley posted about this a while ago (Hi Catherine!) and she was right. Annie's photo of Joni in this exhibit is stunning. Travis was watching me without my knowing it when I discovered the picture and he said my mouth fell open & my face lit up. Joni looks like some kind of pagan goddess or fairy or one of Tolkien's elves in this photo. It looks like it was taken on the grounds of her home in Bel Air. She is sitting on the edge of a carved stone or concrete fountain or pool. There is lush green foliage all around her. She is wearing a loose brown woven-looking garment with her hair hanging very naturally around her face. She is looking off to her right, away from the camera. Very little if any makeup. Holding a cigarette, of course. The effect of the picture is sad, haunting and yet comforting all at the same time. Pretty much like her music. Annie seemed to capture her essence very well in this photo. It is very beautiful and Joni's face is amazing and fascinating to look at. This exhibit really captured the range of Annie's work. I was half expecting Rolling Stone covers & the like. But a large part of this exhibit, which is all photos of women, were photos of unknowns. Many of them were very moving. All of them were interesting in one way or another. But I wish you could all see that picture of Joni! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:22:27 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Annie Liebowitz I have Annie's book Woman Mark and perhaps i could scan the photo and upload it to Catgirl's jonimitchellfan site on yahoo ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:11:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: I hate christmas NJC - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > I was thinking during the last week that I should > stop sending these > rambling personal observations to the list. Where > did that particular > thought go? At least the NJC tag's on this one. > Sorry if I bored you all > silly but now that I've written all of this I feel > like it would be a waste > not to send it. Mark, your posts are *never* boring - keep them coming! ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:10:17 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: wally Please note thatI am a Joni-only but I am purposely not adding NJC to this one. Kate, you were reading my mind too. Please count me in and include me in any future correspondence if this is something that would work for Wally. I know nothing of immigration laws, etc. so I don't know if this is even feasible. Wally, you are cared about by many. You WILL get through this. Kate Bennett wrote: > i am not marking this njc because i want everyone to read this.. > > wally, i am really concerned for you & wonder if it would be best if you > left.. > > jeff & i talked about the possibility of a bunch of us jmdlers chipping in & > purchasing you a plane ticket out of there... > > is this naive of us to view this as something you could or would want to do? > > i am on digest so messages get to me late...if anyone wants to comment on > this, please cc me on the post... > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: wally - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/30/01 7:53:09 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > kate@katebennett.com writes: > > > > jeff & i talked about the possibility of a bunch > of us jmdlers chipping in & > > purchasing you a plane ticket out of there... > > > > Kate & Jeff, what's on your mind is on my mind as > well. I'm very worried as I > know all of us are, especially Ashara. > Wally, would you please consider getting the hell > out of there for the time > being? Are you there, please respond and let us know > you are OK. > Me too. I was thinking about that all day and finally e-mailed Wally privately to find out if he's OK and if there's anything I could do. He hasn't responded as of yet, but let's hope for the best. I was trying to think of all kinds of ways of getting him out of there if it becomes necessary. Didn't Wally mention that he works for the UN? They must be able to help (?) ______________________________________________________ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:23:22 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: wally Chris Marshall has forwarded to Wally the URL for UK entry and migration laws www.homeoffice.gov.uk and for the US www.ins.gov I hope that Wally has not lost Internet connection. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:31:30 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: wally So.....here's the deal: I have been worried sick about Wally, and have been in touch with him. First of all, he is OK. Chris Marshall and I had similar thoughts about getting Wally the hell out of there, and have been talking quite a bit about what we could do. I have already offered him a plane ticket. Wally definitely wants to leave at once. The problem is, he needs to have a job waiting for him here in order to do that, and seek political asylum. If he had a sponsorship, or working visa, he would move immediately. I am still up north in NH, and cannot do a lot from here. Does anyone have any "ins" for a job for him? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:37:33 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: wally In a message dated 12/30/01 10:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM@aol.com writes: > . Does anyone have > any "ins" for a job for him? > > What kind of work does he do Ashara, he teaches, doesn't he? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 22:38:48 -0500 From: cat627@cs.com Subject: Joni Mitchell Hello, I have missed the interesting Joni talks and have resubscribed. I got the Shadows and Light book for my boyfriend and was very pleased to see some of my friends names listed in the credits. Way to go gang. Greetings, Debi aka Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:34:49 -0800 (PST) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Doris Duke Estate NJC Hello friends, Today I visited the Doris Duke Estate in Hillsborough, NJ. Naturally I took some digital photos I'd like to share. If you care to view them, just follow the directions below. See ya there. An enchanting collection of eleven thematic gardens from diverse cultures and regions of the world. Please come see my new photos on PhotoIsland.com! To get there, simply click the address below and enter your guest password: duke http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=rosejoy47 If that doesn't work, go to www.photoisland.com, and log in to my albums with the following information: Log-in ID: rosejoy47 Guest Password: duke _________________________________________________________________ See you @ PhotoIsland! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:00:39 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: wally Rose wrote about Wally: > What kind of work does he do Ashara, he teaches, doesn't he? > I normally would never copy to the list something from a private post, but I think this is a truly urgent matter, and I think Wally has enough on his mind right now to answer everything. So, forgive me Wally, but here is what he told me: <> Since I am an "organizer," if anyone has any information at all, re: immigration laws, job prospects, etc. I will volunteer to coordinate any information. Please, let's try to help Wally!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:07:24 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: wally Sorry, not all of the quote came through. Here it is again, Wally's words, but I will leave out the quotes because AOL always manages to mess things up: i have been a translator, a copy editor, a test preparation professional and a language instructor for 20 years. i find that no sort of work for which i am qualified is demeaning. i've been looking at the jobs on the internet and all the positions are for us citizens or residents. if i were a plumber, i would have more chances! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:48:03 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Article from LA Times My apologies if this has already been sent to the list. Les - -------------- A Trip to the Past With Joni Mitchell By STEVE HOCHMAN Filmmaker Allison Anders paid homage to one of the female titans of '60s and '70s pop music with her 1996 movie "Grace of My Heart," loosely based in part on the life of Carole King. Now Anders is making a film about one of the other woman pillars of that time: Joni Mitchell. The singer-songwriter has hired Anders to make a documentary of her recording new versions of some of her songs with a full orchestra. The sessions and shooting began last week at Air Lyndhurst, George Martin's London studio complex. "I've talked with Joni at length about what we want to do, and what's so exciting for me is the idea of her revisiting her old material," Anders says. "She just did 'Circle Game' with the full orchestra, and while the original is youthful with just her and the acoustic guitar, now she's singing alto and has all that experience to put into it." The film, like the album tentatively titled "Circle Game," will center on the performances with conductor Vince Mendoza and 77 members of the London Symphony Orchestra, but will use the new versions of the old songs (including "Woodstock," "Amelia" and "Judgment of the Moon and Stars") as entries into explorations of Mitchell's life and art. Anders plans to supplement the performance footage with interviews, examinations of Mitchell's paintings and a look at her family life after she was reunited a few years ago with the daughter she had given up for adoption shortly after birth. "The film will look at all the changes that have happened in her life since these songs were written," Anders says, "not the least of which is being reunited with her daughter and grandchildren." Anders is finding plenty to relate to in the subject matter, both in her experiences as a woman in the arts and the steps made by her daughter, singer-songwriter Tiffany Anders, who debuted last year with an album produced by Polly Jean Harvey. "There's so much I've learned from [Mitchell's] experiences," Anders says. "As a woman, even though I work in a different medium, there's a lot of the same stuff. She says, 'Well, for a while I was called chick music.' Imagine--Joni Mitchell dismissed as chick music! And now I read an article about chick books, so here we go again." This is the second time Anders and Mitchell have teamed to look at the past. For the "Grace" soundtrack, Mitchell wrote the song "Man From Mars" in the style of her early work. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:06:25 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Wally Hi all, Just got a phone call from Wally in BA- sorry that I didn't tag this NJC, but thought it of importance to all! Wally is fine! He no longer has an internet connection as he is on ADSL- if he were on dial-up, he would be fine, as the phones are still working. Bottom line is he cannot read messages, so suffice it to say if you try to mail him, he will not get it. He is is good physical shape- and wanted me to tell you he loves you all!!! How sweet! I mentioned that I wished I could send him a ticket outta there, but the lack of a job prospect, keeps him in BA. Wouldn't it be nice it thru this list we were able to find the appropriate thing for him? If anyone wishes his phone number, pls contact me privately. Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:17:13 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Wally In a message dated 12/31/01 12:06:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, sepstein@agmont.com writes: > Wally is fine! Wonderful. Can you please now start using the NJC tag for the Rescue Wally discussion? Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 01:41:45 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Anybody recognize this heavenly line? Hi, all, A friend of mine received a partial e-mail which contained the line: "It happens in heaven all the time..." She asked me to research it, and I did, but I couldn't find it in any of my ref books. Anybody know it from poetry or song? I'd appreciate it, and so would my friend. In the meantime, my favorite quote about heaven that I ran into in my search for your line was by James Baldwin: "The future is like heaven -- everyone exalts it but no one wants to go there." That made me smile. Hope all of you are safe, warm, dry and happy in the new year! love to all, Walt Breen ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #617 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?