From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #604 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 604 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: December 19 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Blue Thing Run Fast - NJC ["hell" ] Re: mondegreens NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: mondegreens NJC [Booger Rhinotush ] Re: odd things njc [Booger Rhinotush ] Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody [Booger Rhinotush ] Re: odd things njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: NJC dingo of heart and mind & Mullers TTNBC- a joni parody [FMYFL@aol] Re: NJC dingo of heart and mind & Mullers TTNBC- a joni parody [RoseMJoy@] Re: mondegreens NJC [Kammass@aol.com] Re: NJC dingo of heart and mind & Mullers TTNBC- a joni parody [SCJoniGuy] Re: Blue Thing Run Fast -- a joni parody in reply [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Mingus - Beneath The Underdog [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Concept Albums + Joni tributes ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: Concept Albums + Joni tributes ["Johnson Victor" ] Re: The concept of concept albums [<657174974@amena.com>] Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody ["Kate Bennett" ] I MUST BE GETTING OLD... [WARREN901@aol.com] Re: I MUST BE GETTING OLD... [cvickery@danielrealty.com] Re: I MUST BE GETTING OLD... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: I MUST BE GETTING OLD... [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Mingus - Beneath The Underdog ["Wally Kairuz" ] [none] ["Dolphie Bush" ] Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief [Mark Domyancich ] RE: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief(njc) ["Johnson Victor" ] siege NJC [colin ] (njc)Pretending to knwo what's going on... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Lord of the rings NJC ["Garret" ] RE: State of Siege Declared in Argentina (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] penguin party (NJC) ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: wally njc [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: State of Siege Declared in Argentina (NJC) ["gene mock" ] RE: december 17!!!! (njc ... rambling in fact) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief (NJC) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Lord of the rings NJC [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 03:06:37 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 19 On December 19 this article was published: 1994: "A Deeper Shade of Blue" - Time (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941219t.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 655 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:06:47 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Blue Thing Run Fast - NJC Bob wrote: > Oh, Hell! I am choking -- and blue! -- with laughter. But I'm more than a > little worried about the revenge part. Wally warned me about you and dingo > jokes, but did I listen? No! Be afraid, be very afraid...... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 04:03:07 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC One of my favorites is from the now classic novel _Catch 22_: "Our father who art in heaven, Howard be thy name..." - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:38:21 +0000 From: Booger Rhinotush Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC > For years I misheard Carole King's "Will You Love Me Tomorrow". Instead of > hearing "Can I believe the magic of your sighs" I heard it as "Can I believe > the magic of your size" Puts a whole new meaning to it! Look Me in the Eyes by Carly has a line 'giving me all your sighs' which for years I heard as size. Mind you i think Carly me at it that wya. this is off Playing Possum and she meant to be naughty. > > > Hell > > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Hell's Personal Photo Page: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm > > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:39:47 +0000 From: Booger Rhinotush Subject: Re: odd things njc I do tha same as you regarding treble/base. I don't like a lot of base-unless I am listenting to dance music and even then not loads. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:42:01 +0000 From: Booger Rhinotush Subject: Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody Excellent! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:44:08 +0000 From: Booger Rhinotush Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC > eunuchs/UNIX why these two? they don't sound alike. > > > pseudohomophones > oranges and peaches/on the origin of species > valueline (business reference)/volume 9 don't get these at all! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 01:48:24 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: odd things njc Hi Mack the sweetie, How's your pop doing? I hope he is out of the horsepistol by Christmas. Congrats on employee of the month!! >it is so nice to come home and be able to emote to you all. So, what is >it? >Treble, bass? Up, down? Having had a little Christmas cheer earlier tonight.......when I really want to feel the music and when I'm really in to it........I like mega bass. When I play Joni at home......mid-range is down,treble up. I know there are audiophiles that change/fiddle with the EQ on each individual song......not cd but song! They HEAR everything that was intended to be heard and maybe more? Bree >Mack _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:21:28 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: NJC Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody >And a suggestion: I think the "Night Before Christmas" parody you posted >last >year should be a yearly tradition. There are lots of new members who >haven't >seen it, and I'd like to read it again -- although I know I have it saved >somewhere. Yes,I for one was not on the list last year and would very much like to read IT. Your heart and mind parody is hilarious!! I even put on the real deal and sang along with your lyrics not Joni's. (I don't know if this says something more about you or me?) Bree _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 02:47:50 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC >eunuchs/UNIX I thought who in the heck is Booger? Hmm......must be new and they like to post and right off the bat too. (just jump right in there) eunuchs is pronounced:UNIX hence/unix >why these two? they don't sound alike. > > pseudohomophones > > oranges and peaches/on the origin of species say oranges and peaches three times very fast. TRY IT. If this doesn't work for you,get loaded and then say it very slow then fast. > > valueline (business reference)/volume 9 > >don't get these at all! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:09:21 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC dingo of heart and mind & Mullers TTNBC- a joni parody Murphy, you're too damn funny. Hell will always go through life known as the Dingo girl :~) You replied to Muller : <> Well here it is, and well worth reading again : <> That was wonderful Bob! Now I'm hoping Patrick will do a top 10 of JMDL quotes for 2001 like 2000's "It's the frigging Grinch, not Das Boot. - Evian" LOL Jimmy, who's happy to say "I'M NOW GOING TO JONIFEST"!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:29:34 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC dingo of heart and mind & Mullers TTNBC- a joni parody In a message dated 12/19/01 7:10:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Jimmy, who's happy to say "I'M NOW GOING TO JONIFEST"!!!! YIPPEE!!!!! I could not even imagine you not being there Deputy Fife XXOO, Miss Crump ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 07:39:05 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC This is mine... we have a commercial here for a lawyer at the end he says, I'm Ted Schtuckenschnider- we always die laughing cause it sounds like - I'm Ted Stuck in side of her... kammy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:09:54 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC dingo of heart and mind & Mullers TTNBC- a joni parody <> Well, I wasn't too prophetic on THAT one, was I? :~D Thanks a ton, Jimmy...I had indeed forgotten all about it and I must say it wasn't half bad. <> And I'm DAMN happy to hear it!! Whoo-Hoo! Bob NP: The Beatles, "Too Much Monkey Business" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 08:35:09 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Thing Run Fast -- a joni parody in reply In a message dated 12/18/01 11:23:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: > Thinking of revenge at last > Blue thing, run fast > I dunno Ali if we should let the Smurf stay in the Terrapin Station tent this year ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:31:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Mingus - Beneath The Underdog I always knew that "God Must Be A Boogie Man" was based on the excerpt from Mingus' Biography 'Beneath The Underdog', but I'd never read either the book or the particular passage. Well, lo & behold, I just got a Mingus tribute cd in the mail that I ordered for a cover, and the passage is quoted in the liner notes of the booklet. Here's what it says: "In other words, I am three. One man stands forever in the middle, unconcerned, unmoved, watching, waiting to be allowed to express what he sees to the other two. The second man is like a frightened animal that attacks for fear of being attacked. Then there's an over-loving gentle person, who lets people into the uttermost sacred temple of his being and he'll take insults and be trusting and sign contracts without reading them and get talked down to working cheap or for nothing, and when he realises what's been done to him, he feels like killing and destroying everything around him, including himself for being so stupid. But he can't - he goes back inside himself. Which one is real? They're ALL real." Just thought that was worth a posting, for others like me who've not seen it. And, strangely enough, the cover on the CD isn't "Boogie Man" but "Sweet Sucker Dance", with vocal. Bob NP: Patrick Regan Band, "Fable of the Trees" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:59:13 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Concept Albums + Joni tributes On the topic of concept albums, the issue is not whether DED is one or not. I'm more interested in JMDLers' input on the DEFINITION of a concept album? Could we agree on principle first (if possible) before aguing about specifics. In the record store last weekend I previewed a record by a new artist: Papa M (David Pajo & Tara Jane O'Neil on guitars). I purchased it because that one song I previewed sounded exactly like a JONI tuning, with acoustic guitars, although the whole album has a cohesive feeling. I don't think it is a Joni rip-off at all. Has anybody ever heard of these artists? Finally, on Amazon they're selling a Joni tribute ("Child of God" or something like that) with a naked child in a foetal position on the cover. Does anybody know whether this is any good? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:42:20 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: RE: Concept Albums + Joni tributes > On the topic of concept albums, the issue is not whether DED is one or not. > I'm more interested in JMDLers' input on the DEFINITION of a concept album? > Could we agree on principle first (if possible) before aguing about > specifics. > > There wouldn't be any point in discussing anything would there, if we all agreed? DED doesn't fit some people's definition of a concept album. Or if that's too specific, I have a vague idea that DED is sort of not really what I would consider to be like a total concept kind of album type of thing you know. Dig it??? Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 11:16:00 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Humor NJC Beaver College in Glenside PA (my neck of the woods) actually did change its name a couple of years ago, to Arcadia University. Apparently it was a constant source of irritation to all involved, particularly the admissions office. Everytime you turn around...imagine typing "Beaver" into a search engine. Reuben np: Harry Connick, Jr. "Songs I Heard" Brian Gross writes: > Victor wrote: > > There's also a Beaver University but just recently, in the past year, I > think there was a move to change the name to something else...I'm not > sure > where it's located, but I heard about out on a morning talk show. > > now me: > It is Beaver College in Glenside PA (just outside Philly) > > and my question: > Does Wet Beaver Creak? > > Brei (of Magsnbrei) who has been to Intercourse, Blue Balls, and > Bird-In-Hand, all in Pennsylvania Dutch country (and you thought they > were prudes ;-)) > > np: a quiet office > -- > After twenty-three years you'd think I could find > A way to let you know somehow > That I want to see your smiling face > Forty-five years from now. > > --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 09:14:44 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Mingus - Beneath The Underdog SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: "I am three. One man stands forever in the middle, unconcerned, unmoved, watching, waiting to be allowed to express what he sees to the other two"... "Just thought that was worth a posting". Very worthy, Bob. Thanks a lot for posting this. BTW - who is God in the song?...The combination of the 3? Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:52:39 GMT From: <657174974@amena.com> Subject: Re: The concept of concept albums Hello there Laurent Olszer's interesting post about concept albums has motivated me to delurk for a while. First, I must say that I completely agree with him about compilations: for the most part, they suck. Unless the artist has only done singles, usually you don't really get the whole picture like you would do with some of his/her best albums. Now, what gives an album conceptual status? This is rather subjetive, but here are some factors I'd consider: - - Unified theme. Of course, many albums deal with, say, lost love or something, and they're not supposed to be conceptual. But it's an ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 10:06:01 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: dingo of heart and mind -- a joni parody ROFLMAO, i will never hear this song again without laughing... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:35:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus - Beneath The Underdog <> Nuri, I think that what Joni is saying is that God had claimed Charles and that he was in heaven. Therefore, God must be a "Boogie" man. When she introduced the song at a No Nukes benefit in 1979, she said "I'm hoping he (God) has a sense of humor about it". If someone has the biography, or has read it, perhaps they can give a more succint answer. I guess this is one of those things I don't know! :~) I used to think that the 'he is three' was a reference to the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Ghost), but I don't think that's the case, especially after having read that excerpt. Bob NP: Roberto Ottaviano, "Duke Ellington Sound Of Love" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:31:39 -0600 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: joni mention? I watched Matt Lauer interview Madonna this morning. He was asking her about various songs she had written over the years. She replied that each song was like a snapshot of her life at the time the song was written. Then she said "songs are like tattoos, you know". She said it with a knowing glint in her eye as if it was a message for those in the know. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:21:08 EST From: WARREN901@aol.com Subject: I MUST BE GETTING OLD... greeting joniphiles ! i must be getting old because my memory is failing me. i was the one who made the original post about the duke concert being in '73. i could have sworn it was in may of that year. when bob pointed out it was in '74 i dedcided to find my ticket stub. after endless searching, i found the date on the ticket didn't include the year, it only had sunday, march 24 @ 8:00 p.m.on it. an interesting tidbit...the price printed on the ticket was $5.00 . ( concerts should be such a bargin now ! ) i found the ticket in an envelope with a rose joni gave me after the concert... WOW what an experience the whole evening was ! i'll keep you in suspense because i'm going to have to finish the story later. gotta run. bye all... warren keith p.s. by the way bob, how did you know i cited the wrong year ? is there a site somewhere with listing that far back or are you just superhuman ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:28:51 -0600 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: I MUST BE GETTING OLD... warren inquired : <> can i take this one, bob? warren, he's superhuman. a veritable font of joni knowledge and of musical knowledge in general. don't listen when he tries to claim otherwise. he owns all, shares all, knows all, finds all. cindy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:35:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: I MUST BE GETTING OLD... <> Very cool, Warren...with that bit of "proof", that show can be added to the list! <> D'oh!!! OK, but I'll hold you to it, Warren...sounds like a great story. <> SUBhuman is more like it! :~D I just know where to go to dig the dirt...in this case, it's at our own JoniMitchell.com. Click on appearances, then scroll down and click on "Appearance Chronology". Simon has done an amazing job of capturing all the known Joni appearances, concerts, TV broadcasts etc. You can see that '73 was an off year, and '74 was her touring year, where she played several other colleges and of course the tour was documented with MOA. Bob NP: The Carol Hamersma Trio, "West Coast Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:46:13 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: I MUST BE GETTING OLD... And March 24th, Sunday, occurred in 1974. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:39:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Mingus - Beneath The Underdog bob, this is so great!!!!!! i've been wanting to read that piece for more than a decade!!!!! nothing compares to jmdlers and the jmdl when it comes to answered prayers! wally, np: bjork: it's not up to you - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 19 de Diciembre de 2001 11:32 a.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Mingus - Beneath The Underdog I always knew that "God Must Be A Boogie Man" was based on the excerpt from Mingus' Biography 'Beneath The Underdog', but I'd never read either the book or the particular passage. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:05:00 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC Remember, I always thought Judy in Disguise said "jud in the skies." England Dan and John Ford Coley "I'd Really Love to See You Tonight"--"I'm not talking about moving in. Neither me or my friends could make that line out. We didn't know what the last part of it was. Millenium, ??? Then a girl I was dating at the time said, "moving in." Seemed so obvious then. The Stylistics-Stone in Love with you. My friend Jeanine always sang "I'm so in love with you." Never had the heart to correct her. My best friend in high school, Philip. He liked that song by the Bay City Rollers, Saturday night. He couldn't figure out that they were spelling out the letters and would grunt in unison with them while they were doing so. After I couldn't stand it anymore, I told him. I, while on the subject of hard to understand lyrics, etc, need help with a song lyric. I am a fan of Steve Wariner. On the tune "I Should Be With You", I cannot understand a lyric and it is driving me nuts. Have asked several people but none of their answers seem to be right. When he sings: I should be with you right now, instead ????????????????????. Does anyone know? Cheers. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 6:39 AM Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC > This is mine... > we have a commercial here for a lawyer at the end he says, > > I'm Ted Schtuckenschnider- we always die laughing cause it sounds like - > > I'm Ted Stuck in side of her... > > kammy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 15:15:14 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: [none] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 13:40:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief (The only thing i can add to the DED talk that's been going around is that the expression dog eat dog has been pulled out of context (since the begining of the last century) to suggest ruthless self-interest. The expression appeared for the first time in the 18th-century and went "It is a hard winter when dogs eat dogs" to express desperate conditions of living. On the other hand, i heard something last night about the coyote the i realy liked. If a coyote is caught in a trap he will eat it in order to free himself.) OK enough with that :) Here's my question, "Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief" (Fiction) - Is this an expression? (I heard it also in the new Dylan album so being the non-american that i am i'm a bit confused :) Cheers, Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:02:10 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief I've heard this expression twice on M*A*S*H reruns. I posted about it on this list before and no one seemed to care. :-) I don't really know what it means. Mark > Here's my question, > > "Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief" (Fiction) - > > Is this an expression? (I heard it also in the new Dylan album so being the > non-american that i am i'm a bit confused :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:10:23 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: RE: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief(njc) Possible origin? Track Title: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief Prime Artist: Frank Sinatra Lyrics by: Paul Francis Webster Music by: Hoagy Carmichael (Hoagland Howard C.) Originally made famous by: Betty Hutton From the Album: 1946: Old Gold Shows 1994 (A) Lyrics: There's a doctor livin' in your town There's a lawyer and an Indian, too And neither doctor, lawyer nor Injun chief Could love you any more than I do There's a barrel of fish in the ocean There's a lot of little birds in the blue And 'Neither fish nor fowl" says the wise old owl Could love you any more than I do No! No! No! it couldn't be true That anyone else could love you like I do I'm gonna warn all the *dead-eyed dicks* That you're the chick with the slickest tricks And every tick of my ticker ticks for you, follow through Tell the doc to stick to his practice Tell the lawyer to settle his case Send the Injun chief and his tommy-hawk Back to little Rain-In-the-Face 'cause you Know! Know! Know! it couldn't be true That anyone else could love you like I do (No! No! No! it couldn't be true) (That anyone else could love you like I do) And, confidentially, I confess I sent a note to the local press That I'll be changin' my home address for you, follow through Tell the doc to stick to his practice Tell the lawyer to settle his case Send the Injun chief and his tommy-hawk Back to little Rain-In-the-Face 'cause you Know! Know! Know! it couldn't be true That anyone else could love you like I do No! No! No! it couldn't be true That anyone else could love you like I do I'm gonna send a hot *communeek* To warn the boys down at Cripple Creek That every dimple on your dimpled cheek is mine, so to speak Tell the (doc!) to stick to his practice Tell the (lawyer!) to settle his case Send the (Injun chief!) and his tommy-hawk Back to little Rain-In-the-Face (woo-woo-woo, woo-woo-woo) 'cause you Know! Know! Know! it couldn't be true That anyone else could love you like I do (Like I do) (Like I do) (Like I do) LIKE I DO!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:19:06 -0600 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief Nuriel asked: <<"Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief" (Fiction) - Is this an expression? (I heard it also in the new Dylan album so being the non-american that i am i'm a bit confused :) >> the whole series is: "tinker, tailor, soldier, sailor, rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief, doctor, lawyer, indian chief" we used it, in elementary school, as a jump rope rhyme. the jump you "missed" on supposedly indicated the occupation of your spouse-to-be. cindy, who always "accidentally" missed on "indian chief." oh - incidentally - there was a cheesy series of books, "rich man, poor man," then "beggar man, thief," made into a miniseries in (i think) the 80's ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 22:30:45 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief Mark wrote: > I've heard this expression twice on M*A*S*H reruns. I posted about it on > this list before and no one seemed to care. :-) I don't really know what it > means. It comes from an old nursery rhyme, which has several different versions, and lengths. The old English version is: Tinker, Tailor Soldier, Sailor Rich Man, Poor Man Beggar Man, Thief. The "American" version is: Rich man, poor man Beggar man, thief. Doctor, lawyer, Indian Chief. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 14:44:57 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief >Nuriel asked: ><<"Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief" (Fiction) - > >Is this an expression? (I heard it also in the new Dylan album so >being the non-american that i am i'm a bit confused :) >> > >the whole series is: >"tinker, tailor, soldier, sailor, >rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief, >doctor, lawyer, indian chief" > >we used it, in elementary school, as a jump rope rhyme. the jump >you "missed" on supposedly indicated the occupation of your >spouse-to-be. > >cindy, who always "accidentally" missed on "indian chief." > >oh - incidentally - there was a cheesy series of books, "rich >man, poor man," then "beggar man, thief," made into a miniseries >in (i think) the 80's Very good explanation, Cindy. When I was in grade school several of the teachers who happened to be nuns would jump rope witb us,not everyday but sometimes. My pals and I always giggled when the nun would miss because of the spouse bit. Funny the things you forget and haven't thought about in years and you read something and brings it all back. Bree, who always missed on lawyer. ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:55:44 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief (NJC) In a message dated 12/19/01 5:21:28 PM, cvickery@danielrealty.com writes: << made into a miniseries in (i think) the 80's >> I think it may have been more like the mid to late 70s, Cindy, after the miniseries format became popular in the US with the runaway success of "Roots." In any case, Nick Nolte was the 'poor man' of "Rich Man, Poor Man" and he was pretty young at the time. (At least in retrospect!) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:02:15 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: State of Siege Declared in Argentina (NJC) Hey, Wally! Reading the news and it sure looks bad . . . Please let us know you're OK. XO, --Bob The following article is from the Washington Post online: By Kevin Gray The Associated Press Wednesday, December 19, 2001; 5:43 PM BUENOS AIRES, Argentina bb President Fernando De la Rua signed an order declaring a state of siege Wednesday, seizing special powers after a day of looting and violence engulfed recession-racked Argentina, a ranking government official said. De la Rua will address the nation Wednesday evening to explain why he was taking special steps to quell violence in the capital and in major cities across the country, the official told The Associated President on condition of anonymity. B) 2001 The Associated Press ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:01:52 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief (NJC) Richard Strauss was the rich man. ooh, la, la mack > > I think it may have been more like the mid to late 70s, Cindy, after the > miniseries format became popular in the US with the runaway success of > "Roots." In any case, Nick Nolte was the 'poor man' of "Rich Man, Poor Man" > and he was pretty young at the time. (At least in retrospect!) > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:07:19 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: State of Siege Declared in Argentina (NJC) In a message dated 12/19/01 6:04:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > Hey, Wally! > > Reading the news and it sure looks bad . . . > > Please let us know you're OK. > > Oh my, it sure does. Yes, Wally please do respond. What the hell is goin on over there? I am not one to read the newspapers. ~rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:29:07 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief (SJC) Hi Mark, Nuriel and JMDL Friends, I don't know if it's an "expression" or not, but can tell you that it is the title of a song sung by Betty Hutton and written by H. Carmichael and P. F. Webster and featured in the movie, "The Stork Club." The version I have was recorded in 1945 (take 3). Betty Hutton was sort of a "Bette Midler" of the late 40s and early 50s, and primarily an actress/comedienne and then a singer. Off the top of my head some of the lyrics are: There's a doctor living in your town There's a lawyer and and indian too But neither doctor, lawyer nor injun chief Could love you anymore than I do.... And it's pretty much a song about "nobody loves you more that I do." Perhaps the phrase means "anyone" or like saying "every Tom, Dick and Harry" nowadays as an expression. Betty Hutton did some amazinginly funny songs, as well as some pretty ballads. Newbies to Hutton may be interested in knowing that in the Bette Midler movie, "For The Boys" Bette finally did a song that Betty Hutton recorded in 1944 called "Stuff Like That There." Thanks everyone for all the great Joni posts this year. It is indeed a family to me, since it's just me (with a mom in a nursing home.) My love for Joni and her music couldn't grow anymore that it always was, but thanks to you, I've learned so much, and met such wonderful people here. You're a great group and I wish you all peace and joy during your respective holiday seasons and celebrations. Gratefully, Gary P.S. Cindy, just saw your post, the jumprope thing is cool! Mark Domyancich wrote: > > I've heard this expression twice on M*A*S*H reruns. I posted about it on > this list before and no one seemed to care. :-) I don't really know what it > means. > > Mark > > > Here's my question, > > > > "Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief" (Fiction) - > > > > Is this an expression? (I heard it also in the new Dylan album so being the > > non-american that i am i'm a bit confused :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:29:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC > eunuchs is pronounced:UNIX hence/unix not here it isn't. it is pronounced UNUX > > > >why these two? they don't sound alike. > > > > pseudohomophones > > > oranges and peaches/on the origin of species > > say oranges and peaches three times very fast. TRY IT. If this doesn't > work for you,get loaded and then say it very slow then fast. I imagine it works if your pissed..... > > > > > valueline (business reference)/volume 9 > > > >don't get these at all! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:33:28 +0000 From: colin Subject: siege NJC So are you alright wally? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:42:35 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)Pretending to knwo what's going on... Hi, all, Usually, when i don't understand a word or a conversation, I try to use context to figure it out. More often than not, it works. But I finally have to confess: I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT WEHEN THEY SPEAK OF "TREEING" CD'S OR "BRANCHES" OR ANY OF THE ATTENDING LANGUAGE. There. I've said it. I feel better. Can anyone help me? Embarrassed but relieved, walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:17:54 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: Lord of the rings NJC I'm just back from the screening of fellowship of the ring! wow! visually stunning and atmospherically impressive. the cast were great, particularly Ian McKellen and Christopher Lee, and of course Elijah Wood. I promised Chris that i wouldn't say anything til he sees it tomorrow, so i won't. Fans will not feel cheated. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:44:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: State of Siege Declared in Argentina (NJC) i'm just back from the streets. it's a nightmare. looting and rioting. the cops are out in the streets. really medieval. i'm fine. rumor has it that all our deposits will be confiscated by monday. i am very disconcerted and i don't know what else to report. i'll keep in touch as long as the power is on: rioters have sabotaged some of the electricity companies. i sure wish i were in north dakota now. i love you all and i appreciate your support. wally ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:51:27 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Mondegreens (njc) Hi, Tyler, Don't know if you caught it, but the subject of mondegreens -- although we weren't using the term -- came up in the list just a week ago or less, in terms of misunderstanding Joni's lyrics, and then Bob Murphy and I chimed in with some things we misunderstood from the old Catholic Latin Mass: I heard what was "Et cum spiritu tuo" and thought it was God's phone number: "8-gum-spearmint-2-2-0". Bob heard "Domini vobiscum" and thought he heard "Dominic, go frink 'em". These may be too obscure for you. If you have the patience to go through the digest's archives, you'll find the exchange I'm talking about. Also, back in the '70's or '80's, there was a whole book of these put out called "Pullet Surprise", which may be in your local library. Sorry, don't remember the author's/editor's name. Good luck, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:55:11 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: wally njc Wally, get inside and stay there. please. love, mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 18:59:59 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: penguin party (NJC) OH, I must agree. My friend Claire and I have a big Penguin fetish. Fetish is a bit extreme, but we enjoy collecting items with those crazy birds on them. I don't think I'll have any problems with Birthday or Holiday gifts from my friends anymore, because they all know to get me something with a penquin on it. My favorite item would be a plain black tee-shirt that has printed in white: "ONE by ONe the Penquins Steal My Sanity" Blair >so do i, kakki!!!!!! they're so cute and so ADORABLE!!!!!! but they stink, >the little things. the DO stink so! >wally _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:03:04 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief Thank you all so much for your answers. :) It's such a nice feeling to know what's behind the words and hearing it from you is the best. Trivia is never just trivia. Not long ago a friend from the list wrote about what happened to Anna. I had no idea. Ever since then, whenever i hear Joni singing "Like fireworks in the sky" i go numb. Thanks again, Love Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:04:48 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: wally njc In a message dated 12/19/01 4:00:47 PM, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: >Wally, get inside and stay there. please. > >love, mack amen! I'm worried about you. what a nightmare! is there anything we can do? (stupid question but I thought I'd ask anyway) Mary K People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 16:26:26 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: State of Siege Declared in Argentina (NJC) wally, glad to hear you are safe. what is this all about? the have and the have nots? remember, keep your nose to the wind and keep a low profile. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 3:44 PM Subject: RE: State of Siege Declared in Argentina (NJC) > i'm just back from the streets. it's a nightmare. looting and rioting. the cops are out in the streets. really medieval. i'm fine. rumor has it that all our deposits will be confiscated by monday. i am very disconcerted and i don't know what else to report. i'll keep in touch as long as the power is on: rioters have sabotaged some of the electricity companies. i sure wish i were in north dakota now. > i love you all and i appreciate your support. > wally ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 2001 16:39:32 -0800 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: re: mondegreens (njc) One of my favorites... Before she passed away, my mother lived in an assisted living complex. There was a lovely garden area, with a gazebo. The residents used to walk in the garden, where they would encounter wild rabbits. Sometimes they'd have a picnic lunch at the gazebo and wait for the bunnies to arrive. The funding for trips was a bit slim, and there was some discussion of where the next group trip could be. (Previous ones had been to various destinations in the U.S. and abroad.) Given the financial situation, one person suggested they could go to "see the rabbits." My mother heard "Cedar Rapids" and exclaimed "But, what's in Cedar Rapids?" I still can't hear the name of the city without chuckling... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:53:55 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief (NJC) Cindy wrote: <> We used it too, but I think the jump ropers now days say: "Prosperous person, destitute one, Panhandler, purloiner, Medical specialist, Morally and ethically challenged person, Native American" It's a lot harder to jump rope to :~D Of course, being the 3rd grade jump rope champ, my favorite song was: "Two little dickie birds sittin' on the wall, One named Peter, one named Paul Fly away, Peter, fly away, Paul Don't you come back 'till your birthday's called January, February.......December Now fly away, fly away, fly away all" I'm sure this has totally confused you now Nuriel, but I do think Joni was thinking about her childhood days (jumping rope) when she wrote "Fiction" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:01:29 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: NJC Trees and Branches At 06:42 PM 12/19/2001 -0500, BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: >I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT EVERYONE'S TALKING ABOUT WEHEN THEY SPEAK OF "TREEING" >CD'S OR "BRANCHES" OR ANY OF THE ATTENDING LANGUAGE. Check this link: Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:01:25 -0000 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: december 17!!!! (njc ... rambling in fact) I'd like to mis-quote Hugh Grant, who in Four Weddings, woke up, looked at the time (and for my purposes, realised the date). "FECK!" Thankyou. Garret, happy fecking birthday. You didn't even send me a guilty bleedin' txt message to let me know I'd damn well forgotten. Arrrrgh. Colin, missed yours too. Damn. Blast. Sorry. :( But, "Booger Rhinotush"? I've been away too long... Both of you: please don't take offence I forgot - I'm just crap you see. I need a live-in secretary(*) to look after my work and social diary and remind me of people's birthdays, otherwise I just get it all terribly wrong. Goldfish have better short term memory retention than I do. Sigh. - --Chris *Well, a live-in something else really. Only some of the duties will be secretarial... :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 19:03:40 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: feck njc I am with Wally. I hate feck. We always used frickin to substitute for the real thing. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 17:09:39 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief (NJC) Jimmy wrote - "We used it too, but I think the jump ropers now days say: "Prosperous person, destitute one, Panhandler, purloiner, Medical specialist, Morally and ethically challenged person, Native American" It's a lot harder to jump rope to : Of course, being the 3rd grade jump rope champ, my favorite song was: "Two little dickie birds sittin' on the wall, One named Peter, one named Paul Fly away, Peter, fly away, Paul Don't you come back 'till your birthday's called January, February.......December Now fly away, fly away, fly away all" I'm sure this has totally confused you now Nuriel, but I do think Joni was thinking about her childhood days (jumping rope) when she wrote "Fiction". Jimmy Jimmy, this email's made my day and i'm never confused when i'm laughing. Thanks! :)))_ I agree with you about Fiction and Joni's childhood days. Now that our friends told us about the rope game i think i can even hear it in the drums in the song. The beat, there's always one that sound like when the rope's hitting the ground. I think Laurent said something about the album and about truth. Funny that in this song the word truth is said (sung) by a male voice while joni's singing the word fiction. But the male voice is also Joni, sampled that is, no? Nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 01:17:31 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: mondegreens NJC There's a BBC radio 4 program broadcastong recently called Crossing Continents. But it really reminds me of irate people with bladder problems... Cross incontinents? :-+ Marin. In London. pseudohomophones oranges and peaches/on the origin of species valueline (business reference)/volume 9 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 20:29:06 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Lord of the rings NJC I saw it today, too, and agree with your "wow!" Really well done all around. Think I'll read the books again this winter. Debra Shea Garret wrote: > > I'm just back from the screening of fellowship of the ring! wow! > visually stunning and atmospherically impressive. the cast were great, > particularly Ian McKellen and Christopher Lee, and of course Elijah Wood. > I promised Chris that i wouldn't say anything til he sees it tomorrow, so i > won't. > Fans will not feel cheated. > GARRET ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #604 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?