From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #595 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, December 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 595 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- synesthesia (njc) [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: Sounds as colors - synesthesia (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #594 [Gloane1@aol.com] Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Singing Nun, NJC ["hell" ] reagan njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Arthur Lee (Love) freed? (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Arthur Lee / Grace njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) [dsk ] Re: Come in from the cold (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Congrats! njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) [colin ] Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) [colin ] Vanilla Sky & Joni! ["Johnson Victor" ] Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged"), njc ["Jim L'Hommedi] Re: Arthur Lee...... [Lance Michel ] "Ella Fitzgerald Live", on the Verve label, a review, njc ["Jim L'Hommedi] Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" ] cmiars ["Kate Bennett" ] Dreams and imagination (njc) [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] RE: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged"), njc ["Wally Kairuz"] Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:17:03 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: synesthesia (njc) hi Sherelle, I was struck by your comment that "I am thrilled to know that I wasn't nuts!" re: synesthesia. I was reading the info on the link I sent to the list and I was interested to see this: 9. The Rejection Of Direct Experience 9.1 My usual response to those who ask if synesthesia is "real" is, "Real to whom? To you, or to those who experience it?" Questioning its reality without first having some technological confirmation shows how ready we are to reject any first-hand experience. We are addicted to the external and the rational. Our insistence on a third-person, "objective" understanding of the world has just about swept aside all other forms of knowledge. 9.2 In the course of studying MW, for example, we came to a point of using invasive and rather sophisticated technology when he became frightened, not that we might uncover some medical abnormality, but because a machine might prove that his synesthesia wasn't real. MW was ready to accept the judgement of a machine over his lifetime of first-hand experience. This is a remarkable commentary. 9.3 When we think of our brains, we usually think of a computer, a reasoning machine in our heads that runs things. This is consistent with the hierarchical model. But emotion - which word I use to include irrational, a-rational, and non-verbal knowledge and cognition - is what actually directs our thoughts and actions. Like the Wizard of Oz, it is our a-rational inner life that pulls the levers behind the curtain. Our inner knowledge behind the curtain is largely inaccessible to introspective language, which means that what we feel about something is more valid than what we think or say about that something. 9.4 Reason is just the endless paperwork of the mind. The heart of our creativity is our direct experience and the salience that our limbic brain gives it. Allowing it to be that does not stop us from overlaying rational considerations on it - after which we can talk, recount, explain, interpret, and analyze to our heart's content. from http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-10-cytowic.html I think those of us on this list can see beyond "the external and the rational". I hope I can anyway. I mean, that stuff is great and truly essential, but I don't think it's everything. Mary People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:22:02 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Sounds as colors - synesthesia (njc) Thanks! I will check out the link. I appreciate you taking the time to research this, and I hope your days get better. It's nice to see someone give to someone else in spite of their own problems. Much appreciated. Sherelle NP-Bing Crosby's White Christmas In a message dated 12/14/2001 2:10:53 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 16:52:58 EST > From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com > Subject: Re: Sounds as colors - synesthesia (njc) > > hello, > > sorry Sherelle, I meant to look this up on the Internet when you first > mentioned it. It's been an awful week for me and I didn't get a "round > tuit". I just now remembered the technical term: synesthesia. Here is a > link: > > http://psyche.cs.monash.edu.au/v2/psyche-2-10-cytowic.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:23:21 EST From: Gloane1@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #594 PLEASE TAKE MY EMAIL OFF YOUR EMAIL SENDING LIST. THANK-YOU!!! Ann Ward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:27:09 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) because YOU ARE A creative, imaginative(artsy) type guy! I bet you dream in color too? >When i think of days of the week or months of the year, they always have >colours. >Even years do, like 71 etc. >Don't know why but I have always been like this. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 14:41:28 -0800 (PST) From: Lori in MD Subject: Re: Come in from the cold (NJC) Mary P. wrote: > you haven't really experienced "cold" until you've lived in > Wisconsin. Mary, ya cheesehead! ; ) You haven't really experienced COLD until you've lived in Fortuna, North Dakota!!! Wally wrote: > kakki, put on your bikini and make believe you're in buenos aires > in early spring. if we run out into the parks and start sunbathing as > soon as the temperature hits the 40's, you can do it too, child! Fun in Fortuna was running outside in shorts and t-shirts as soon as the temperature "rose" to 20 degrees above zero! (That's negative 6.7 degrees Celsius!) Lori, glad it's 66 degrees today in Bethesda ~ P.S. I haven't forgotten about writing to thank each of you for your kind words after my mom passed ... believe me, it's your friendship that's helping me cope! ~ Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctionsfor all of your holiday gifts! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 11:56:00 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Singing Nun, NJC Jerry wrote: > Deckers gained international fame in 1963 with her > hit recording "Dominique." My only knowledge of this song is from the movie "Mermaids" where Wynona Ryder's character Charlotte is watching this avidly on TV. She then goes into her room to pray. Cher's character walks past and sees her, and her only comment is "Charlotte.......we're Jewish!" Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:50:15 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: reagan njc Channel surfing and came across the cable movie "the day that reagan was shot." Had no intention of watching it since I loathe Ronald Reagan but left it on while I cleaned the fish tanks. Don't know if it a dramatization run amok or if it is partly accurate or very much so. If it is either of the last two, it is very frightening that our government could have been, and could be, so disjointed and out of control. I remember the day that this person was shot and one thing I was not worrying about was whether or not our country was in control or in jeopardy. Rather scary. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:23:07 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Arthur Lee (Love) freed? (njc) colin wrote: > Than you. I have never heard of them them or him. I've always thought if the Byrds were L.A.'s Beatles, Arthur Lee was L.A.'s Hendrix. > Kakkie said he went to jail for 16 years for firing a gun into the air. > what was the judge on? You got to wonder. Sometimes it just depends on the prosecutor and the judge one gets. My info may not be correct - I've seen reports of his sentence anywhere from 11 to 16 years and some articles say he had prior arrests (but nothing serious as far as I can tell). Still, from what I've read this was way too harsh of a sentence - much more harsh than is usual. My take from what I've read in the past is that he may have been treated unfairly simply because he is unique and eccentric. He has already served six years. Here's a link from Rolling Stone http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=15064 The article credits him with convincing Electra to sign the Doors. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:31:39 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Arthur Lee / Grace njc Billy wrote: > God knows Grace Slick's never done time (yet), and she was shooting at cops > for Christ-sakes! Not to mention that little 'near' incident at the White > House with Tricky Dicky ;-D LOL - I remember the news alert about Grace's altercation with the cops. I was worried for her! Can't remember how it all came out in the end, but think she had some defense about them snooping around her property. Maybe some of the Grace fans here know the details (Mark E.). I recall that she got off or maybe had to do some community service hours. What was the White House deal? Was that when she thought about putting some LSD in Tricia's drink?? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:48:40 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Walt, > I'm behind on my digests as well, but I am thrilled to know that I wasn't > nuts! Thanks so much for easing my mind! Aahh, no, not nuts at all. I'd say you're in excellent company of the most sensitive and perceptive kind. Here's some info about Wassily Kandinsky, whose book "Concerning the Spiritual in Art" includes his ideas about the effect of colors and music on one's soul. From http://www.oir.ucf.edu/wm/paint/auth/kandinsky/: "Kandinsky, himself an accomplished musician, once said 'Color is the keyboard, the eyes are the harmonies, the soul is the piano with many strings. The artist is the hand that plays, touching one key or another, to cause vibrations in the soul.' The concept that color and musical harmony are linked has a long history, intriguing scientists such as Sir Isaac Newton. Kandinsky used color in a highly theoretical way associating tone with timbre (the sound's character), hue with pitch, and saturation with the volume of sound. He even claimed that when he saw color he heard music." And some details: http://www.schoenberg.at/4_exhibits/asc/Kandinsky/Farbe_e.htm And while I was looking around I found this too: http://library.thinkquest.org/C007660/main_3.html, which includes the intriguing section called "I feel the music through my eyes." Georges Seurat comes to mind also as an artist who associated colors with music, or maybe he just painted musicians. Hmmm, I'll investigate. Debra Shea NP: A cd of a friend performing his original music... wow, good stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:41:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Come in from the cold (NJC) Wally wrote: > kakki, put on your bikini and make believe you're in buenos aires in early > spring. if we run out into the parks and start sunbathing as soon as the > temperature hits the 40's, you can do it too, child! Oh believe me I've been doing some tropical climate visualizing lately! When I was young and had a high metabolism I would go swimming in the ocean in January - but now I would get hypothermia. I want you and Mary to come here in the depths of winter and then we'll talk! I think the tourist industry has propagated a myth about the warm and sunny southwestern states! In the past I've freaked and fretted when I've had to travel to Chicago, Omaha and Minnepolis in the winter thinking I would totally expire. I was surprised to find the sensation of cold in those places really not too different than here! But of course, we do not have to dig out from snow and we ARE disoriented when it merely rains, so yes, we are a a somewhat different (wimpier) breed. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:30:59 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Congrats! njc TV > Arghh! I just typed a decent sized post and the damn thing disappeared > before I sent it. At least I think it didn't send. Sorry if this is a > resend. It'll probably be a bit shorter than the original thing, as I'm > running out of time now (going out to posh restaurant tonight with my > partner, for our five year anniversary meal!!!) Congratulations on celebrating your 5th! Hope you have a wonderful, special evening! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 18:39:16 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) > When i think of days of the week or months of the year, they always have colours. > Even years do, like 71 etc. > Don't know why but I have always been like this. > For some reason when I was a very small child the word Friday called the image of a dust mop to my mind. I have no idea why. I don't think my mother dusted the ugly dark-green-with-white-streaks vinyl tile floors in our house on Fridays. But for some reason when I thought of Friday, that was what I pictured. I don't think this means much of anything except that I've been seriously warped for a very long time.... Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:44:48 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) no mops in my mind! Monday is red, tuesday blue, wednesday yellow, thrsday gree, fri grey, saturady yeloow and sunday blue.(sat and wed are different shades as are sun and tues) Mark or Travis wrote: > > When i think of days of the week or months of the year, they always > have colours. > > Even years do, like 71 etc. > > Don't know why but I have always been like this. > > > > For some reason when I was a very small child the word Friday called > the image of a dust mop to my mind. I have no idea why. I don't > think my mother dusted the ugly dark-green-with-white-streaks vinyl > tile floors in our house on Fridays. But for some reason when I > thought of Friday, that was what I pictured. I don't think this means > much of anything except that I've been seriously warped for a very > long time.... > > Mark E. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:54:10 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) > I bet you > dream in color too? > doesn't everyone? i know not everyone rememebers their dreams but I do. i dream every time i sleep, be it for hours or a few minutes(length of sleep i mean). Don;t know how long the dreams last for. they are always vivid, sometimes good soemtimes bad and soemtimes terrible. I remeber dreams I had many years ago. Not just bad ones. The one thing I find odd about dreams; I remeber them, the places in them, as if they were real places I have been too. i recall the landscapes, the buildings as well as the events. It's the landscapes and buildings i find odd cos I know they only exist in my dream but the memoreies feel no different to memeories of real places and are just as vivid. I don't get the two confused at all but it is definately like having two sets of life meories, one here and one elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:55:18 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: Vanilla Sky & Joni! Just went to see Vanilla Sky tonight and I was pleased to see an appearance of Joni...not a song but one of her paintings in the movie...a nice surprise...and a great movie, directed by Cameron Crowe...go see it when you get a chance...kind of freaky, weaving in and out of dreams, nice cinematography. A freaky thing happened on my way home. I was in the parking lot walking to my car, found it, and put the key in the lock but it wouldn't open, I looked at it and it appeared to be my car, then I looked at the back window and there were no dancing bears and I looked a couple of spaces over and found I was at the wrong car, but it was the same exact model and the same color...it seemed for a moment that I could all of the sudden just slip into a different reality and drive away in this other car and become someone else...every minute is full of possibilities... Victor --- Johnson Victor--- waytoblu@mindspring.com--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:56:48 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) I have no and have never had any concept of color in my dreams. Mack > > I bet you > > dream in color too? > > > > doesn't everyone? > i know not everyone rememebers their dreams but I do. i dream every time i > sleep, be it for hours or a few minutes(length of sleep i mean). Don;t know how > long the dreams last for. they are always vivid, sometimes good soemtimes bad > and soemtimes terrible. > I remeber dreams I had many years ago. Not just bad ones. > The one thing I find odd about dreams; > I remeber them, the places in them, as if they were real places I have been too. > i recall the landscapes, the buildings as well as the events. It's the > landscapes and buildings i find odd cos I know they only exist in my dream but > the memoreies feel no different to memeories of real places and are just as > vivid. I don't get the two confused at all but it is definately like having two > sets of life meories, one here and one elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:37:19 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Arthur Lee / Grace njc Kakki wrote: I remember the news alert about Grace's altercation with the cops. I was worried for her! Can't remember how it all came out in the end, but think she had some defense about them snooping around her property. What was the White House deal? Was that when she thought about putting some LSD in Tricia's drink?? (end) Actually, the plan was to dose President Nixon himself with the LSD, rather than Tricia. Can you imagine? If I remember correctly, Grace had been invited to the White House for 'tea' because she and Tricia were both alumni of Finch College. Apparently, the powers-that-be didn't realize that Grace Wing (Grace's maiden name) was now 'subversive' rock star Grace Slick. Anyway, she showed up---with Abbie Hoffman as her escort---and was turned away as a 'security risk' when they discovered the mistake. In retrospect, I guess it was a good thing their plot was foiled. She'd probably still be in the slammer for that one. To be honest, Grace has had several run-in's (and near run-in's) with the law---usually involving drugs and/or alcohol. Regarding the other incident I mentioned, I'm not sure of the exact details (Mark?). Something about target practicing in the middle of the night, police being called, and Grace---drunk, of course---brandishing a shotgun. In other words, typical Grace... ;-) XXXOOO, Billy np---"Love Story 1966-1972" by Love ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:57:17 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) Dear Colin, My husband is always amazed how vividly I remember my dreams (I dream in color too). I can still remember a bad dream I had around age five as vividly as if I'd had the dream last night. I also have places that exist only in my dreams and they are very familiar to me. I've always known I was different, but had a tendency to treat that individuality in a negative manner. It's nice to know that I'm not alone anymore. Colin, I hope you feel the same way. Sherelle In a message dated 12/14/2001 6:52:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > > I bet you > > dream in color too? > > > > doesn't everyone? > i know not everyone rememebers their dreams but I do. i dream every time i > sleep, be it for hours or a few minutes(length of sleep i mean). Don;t know > how > long the dreams last for. they are always vivid, sometimes good soemtimes > bad > and soemtimes terrible. > I remeber dreams I had many years ago. Not just bad ones. > The one thing I find odd about dreams; > I remeber them, the places in them, as if they were real places I have been > too. > i recall the landscapes, the buildings as well as the events. It's the > landscapes and buildings i find odd cos I know they only exist in my dream > but > the memoreies feel no different to memeories of real places and are just as > vivid. I don't get the two confused at all but it is definately like having > two > sets of life meories, one here and one elsewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:08:19 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) Dear Mark, You're not warped. You have always been wonderful! I wonder how many others have had the strange feeling that their brains function a little differently than most? Sherelle In a message dated 12/14/2001 6:39:23 PM Pacific Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > For some reason when I was a very small child the word Friday called > the image of a dust mop to my mind. I have no idea why. I don't > think my mother dusted the ugly dark-green-with-white-streaks vinyl > tile floors in our house on Fridays. But for some reason when I > thought of Friday, that was what I pictured. I don't think this means > much of anything except that I've been seriously warped for a very > long time.... > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:11:14 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Arthur Lee / Grace njc > Billy wrote: > > > God knows Grace Slick's never done time (yet), and she was shooting at > cops > > for Christ-sakes! Not to mention that little 'near' incident at the White > > House with Tricky Dicky ;-D > > LOL - I remember the news alert about Grace's altercation with the cops. I > was worried for her! Can't remember how it all came out in the end, but > think she had some defense about them snooping around her property. Maybe > some of the Grace fans here know the details (Mark E.). I recall that she > got off or maybe had to do some community service hours. I was trying to locate this story in her book. The only one I could find that comes close is when she was staying in a house in Tiburon after her house in Sausalito burned down. She was separated from Skip Johnson at the time & was having a fling with an old friend. The two of them were pretty tanked up one night and were shooting at bottles in the back yard. The guy got into a snit when Grace, fearing that the neighbors might call the police, wanted to stop for the night. They argued, he went to the back of the house & she went upstairs to bed. Around 2 or 3 am the doorbell rings. Grace said she'd been robbed three times in Mill Valley so she grabbed a shotgun not thinking at first that a thief would be unlikely to ring the doorbell. When she got to the front door there were four cops standing around her friend who was on his knees in handcuffs yelling 'Shoot me!' Grace demanded to know what was going on. The cops told her to put the gun down. Grace wouldn't. They finally subdued her & took her to the Marin County drunk tank. I couldn't find anything that said how she avoided doing real jail time. Grace says elsewhere in the book that alcohol almost always makes her belligerent & sarcastic when confronted by police. It seems that after all of the other drugs she experimented with that booze is her biggest downfall. I think she pretty much has it under control now. She's been through AA but I don't think she's ever completely stopped drinking. > > What was the White House deal? Was that when she thought about putting some > LSD in Tricia's drink?? Billy covered that one pretty well. Part of her appeal for me was her wildness. She didn't seem to care what anybody said or thought about her. She also didn't seem to be afraid to say or do just about anything. Her book does say, however, that she is aware that her various antics have caused pain & inconvenience to her loved ones and that she is sorry for that. Mark E. Here are some (prophetic?) words from the 'Bark' album written by Grace back in 1971: Lawman Well I'm afraid you just walked in here At the wrong time You know my old man's gun has never been fired But there's a first time And this could be, this could be the first time Lawman You know you look to be a lot younger than me And I'd hate to shoot a baby You've got a long way to go before you're old and slow It could be, it could be a good time If you'd change your mind Well I'm tired & sweet from making love And it's just too late, you'll have to wait Bring your business around here in the morning Well I've heard your line and you've heard mine And I'm just too tired to take a side Bring your business around here in the morning Don't you wanna be easy? look there Let some of the things you see go on by Or you could burn them into your brain Go on home Don't you see the children they're just like you They want everything to be fine But they let it slide And the laughing lets you know That smiling breaks the rules Ah lawbreaker Well it could be me and if you had your way We'd all be down Under the face of a clock That's just too old to be wound And you can see now The old hands won't move around One way or the other Fool card brother This could be This could be The first Time ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:44:39 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged"), njc Whoa there, big guy. Recall these details. Let's take each of your examples, in turn. Mister Armstrong was not always revered in his middle age, even in his own hometown (New Orleans), and sadly, he vowed never to return there. Mister Sinatra was labeled as a "big band- boy singer" in an era without big bands! For a moment, he was a non-entity. If I recall (sorry, a familiar refrain for me lately), he started up his own label in part because no one wanted him. He re-cast himself as a recording artist / nightclub singer / actor (rather than a big band singer). (I) don't know much about Ms. Fitzgerald, but like all Americans of African descent, she had way more than her share of hard knocks. I think Garland died before middle age, before her star faded. Nat "King" Cole was a jazz instrumentalist in his youth who broke out as a vocalist in his middle years, so he's a special case. You didn't mention Duke Ellington but he basically had the last of the great dance bands because he was willing to play for anyone, anywhere. We're talking county fairs as venues. I'm not saying it's all rosy for Joni but she hasn't been booted from her label as Johnny Cash was. It's never been easy to have a long career. Bob Murphy wondered, >>Who gave Satchmo or Sinatra or Ella or Judy Garland or Nat King Cole or any of the legends of that era the right to be great and to express themselves after the first gray hairs started sprouting? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 20:51:11 -0800 From: Lance Michel Subject: Re: Arthur Lee...... I don't a 100% remember, but I think the reason the sentence was so stiff was because it was a '3-strikes-your-out' kinda thing... California is pretty strict and harsh with that kinda s*it, especially if you are black... I agree with those folks that count Arthur Lee and Love right up there with the most artistic and creative bands of the 60's, heck of all time really...:-) "Forever Changes" is a classic and a must have.... Hope y'all are doin' well and having a wonderful Holiday Season, and that you and yours are Healthy, Happy, and Loved....:-) Be Well...Sir Lance :-) - -- Lance A. Michel: - -There are as many shades to reality as there are windows unto the soul- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 23:56:26 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Ella Fitzgerald Live", on the Verve label, a review, njc By the way, I've recently "discovered" a compilation of Ella Fitzgerald in concert and boy, howdy, she is the finest singer I've ever heard!! I've never heard anyone do things with pitch that well! She slides in several different ways, sometimes slippery-sliding, sometimes with a lilt. The held notes are rock-steady, with or without vibrato. I didn't know a human being could BE this good. She's redefined speed-scatting for me too. The way she can articulate without losing the apparent JOY of vamping against the trumpets is something I've never heard. But she's not some dry, academic singer. She appears to be having a ball while all of these fireworks are going on. Furthermore, she has this ability with time. The way she knows just when to lag behind time, then "bounces" up at the end of a line is amazing. I think it's called "swinging" and I've ever heard anyone do it this well! I didn't know it COULD be done like this. It's like discovering a new RANGE of colors. I'm thinking this week that she did all these things better than anyone I've ever heard before. To my mind, on this recording, she's a far, far better singer than anyone I've heard. Time and again, I found myself nodding and wondering, "Why didn't anyone think of this before?" In short, she's pushed back the boundaries of what I thought could be done. Like I said, it's a compilation. On Verve CDs, it's called "Ella Fitzgerald Live", and it's in their affordable line called "Compact Jazz" series and encompasses 14 tracks. There's nothing dated about it. It smokes; it rocks; it schmoozes; it amazes; it swings. Lama ps, I swear on Allah, I am as sober as a judge. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 21:39:27 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) > > I bet you > > dream in color too? >doesn't everyone? NO!!! According to the instructor at a sleep workship I attended. Nor remembering their dreams......I very rarely do. >i know not everyone rememebers their dreams but I do. i dream every time i >sleep, be it for hours or a few minutes(length of sleep i mean). Don;t know >how >long the dreams last for. they are always vivid, sometimes good soemtimes >bad >and soemtimes terrible. >I remeber dreams I had many years ago. Not just bad ones. >The one thing I find odd about dreams; >I remeber them, the places in them, as if they were real places I have been >too. >i recall the landscapes, the buildings as well as the events. It's the >landscapes and buildings i find odd cos I know they only exist in my dream >but >the memoreies feel no different to memeories of real places and are just as >vivid. I don't get the two confused at all but it is definately like having >two >sets of life meories, one here and one elsewhere. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:29:54 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: 3 Questions -NJC I have 3 questions that have been driving me bonkers for the longest time now. If anyone knows the answers, I'd be ever so grateful. Question #1. Since there are no music credits in the movie "Harold And Maude," can anyone list the Cat Stevens songs that were used? I know I'm missing at least one (see below), and I'm not really sure about some of the others. 1. "Trouble" 2. "I Wish, I Wish" 3. "I Think I See The Light" 4. "If You Want To Sing Out, Sing Out" 5. "On The Road To Findout" (not really sure)? 6. "Miles From Nowhere" (not really sure)? maybe "Don't Be Shy" and "Where Do The Children Play?" Question #2. What were the Joan Baez songs used in the movie "Silent Running" and what album can I find them on? Maybe the box set? Question #3. In the musical "Godspell" does anyone know of a reference to Laura Nyro (in either the movie or stage version)? I would greatly appreciate any answers you might have. Thanks a bunch, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 01:47:59 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged"), njc Lama wrote: << Mister Armstrong was not always revered in his middle age, even in his own hometown (New Orleans), and sadly, he vowed never to return there. >> Hi, Jim: I know you weren't there with my family on Sunday nights when we gathered around the Philco and watched Ed Sullivan introducing Louis as "America's Ambassador." Admittedly, this was towards the end of Satchmo's life, and I shouldn't have spoken about his middle years in my earlier post because I wasn't alive at that time. But I *was* in Paris in the summer of 1971 on the day he died. I was 18 years old and it was my first day ever in France. All the newspapers proclaimed "Louis Est Mort" in large, mournful headlines accompanied by smiling photographs of the man and his horn. I'll never forget how upset the people -- and I -- were that day. I loved Louis from the first time I ever saw him on TV -- such a wonderful spirit, such unique music. I know he had critics throughout his career, often for political reasons -- but God love him, he just kept plugging away. And unlike Sammy Davis, Jr., he never did anything truly awful, like publicly hugging Nixon or anything. As for Sinatra, well, the Chairman of the Board was Cher long before Cher danced for the money they'd throw. The parallels are incredible: They both began their careers as teen idols, then separated from their mentors, married Greg Allman, and became Academy Award-winning actors. What are the chances of all that happening twice in anyone's lifetime? Give Cher credit though, she has refrained from doing something stupid like recording a creepy love duet with her daughter -- who, coincidentally, is also known for wearing boots. You said that you thought that Judy Garland died before middle age, but I believe she died in either 1968 or 1969, at the age of 48, making her middle aged if she had any intention at all of living to be 96. Her death, by the way, is considered one of the reasons for the Stonewall riots in NYC -- the beginning of gay liberation, which of course eventually spread all across the world and lead to the creation of Wally K in Argentina, my soiled dove. As for Ella, it's a little known fact that the sweet woman never meant to do any scat singing at all until Judy Garland pointed out to her how much Mel Torme's eyes looked like Eggs Benedict, and that just scared the hell out of the poor thing. Doo doo soot wee wee whee ooh doot doot! And the rest is history. Good night, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:46:22 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) Sherelle wrote: >I wonder how many others have had the strange feeling that their brains function a little differently > than most? Yes and it's O.K. ;-) I used to study this a lot as it pertains to creative people. Researchers have found that their brain waves do "run" differently and their senses are sometimes more acute than average. I've never been able to do math as it is presented in school, yet I can arrive at solutions for complex mathematical problems in my own way. I think that as we grow we become more comfortable in our uniqueness. In my college music classes the only way I could remember all the songs and artists that were going to be on a test was to memorize the imagery and sometimes colors that I associated with them. I've always dreamt in color and have only had about 5 nightmares in my life (and remember them all!) I've had two dreams that actually came true, too! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 22:46:11 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: cmiars well then, for all the newbies who may not have been through this debate, i MUST speak up for CMIARS! this is the record that returned me to join...after my wandering ways for a few years ...so i really like it for that reason.. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:04:34 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Dreams and imagination (njc) In a message dated 12/14/01 6:53:18 PM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: >I remeber them, the places in them, as if they were real places I have >been too. >i recall the landscapes, the buildings as well as the events. Hello, I do this too. I always dream in color. I thought everyone did. I also have dreams that are very vivid. Sometimes they tell really long stories. For example, I've had very detailed dreams about the government collapsing and I am rushing from place to place trying to get out. There are a couple of dreams that I thought would make good stories, but I never wrote them down as that seemed like cheating. My dreams are very emotional too, with lots of danger and usually a surrealistic kind of atmosphere. Not usually gory, but very unnerving. A contrast to my very mundane ordinary job. My imagination during the day is active and I'm always thinking of stuff to write about - ideas constantly go through my head. whether they are any good or not is another story. I also constantly have poems and song lyrics and also often music going through my mind too. does anyone else experience this? If anyone has any strategies for using any of this stuff in a career, I'd love to hear it. I always treated it as a totally useless skill. in fact, I've spent most of my life suppressing what goes on in my imagination rather than encouraging it, because I couldn't see any way to use it productively. Mary People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 04:00:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged"), njc that is a very common misconception. i was never created. i have existed and i will exist beyond the... oh no wait... that's the birthday fairy! wally, bob's dove -- soiled, sullied and silly but bob's own. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Sabado, 15 de Diciembre de 2001 03:48 a.m. Para: jlamadoo@fuse.net; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Later, Joni (or "Shoot me now, I'm middle aged"), njc Her death, by the way, is considered one of the reasons for the Stonewall riots in NYC -- the beginning of gay liberation, which of course eventually spread all across the world and lead to the creation of Wally K in Argentina, my soiled dove. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 02:31:53 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Sounds as colors, etc. (njc) Wow Kakki! Your dreams came true! Hearing you talk about your life makes me feel so much more normal than I have ever felt in my life. I wish I could explain what kind of "Eureka!" moment I am having right now. I have been searching for an explanation for so long and I am amazed at how simple it came. Thanks Kakki for sharing. Sherelle In a message dated 12/14/2001 10:55:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > Sherelle wrote: > > >I wonder how many others have had the strange feeling that their brains > function a little differently > > than most? > > Yes and it's O.K. ;-) I used to study this a lot as it pertains to > creative > people. Researchers have found that their brain waves do "run" differently > and their senses are sometimes more acute than average. I've never been > able to do math as it is presented in school, yet I can arrive at solutions > for complex mathematical problems in my own way. I think that as we grow we > become more comfortable in our uniqueness. > > In my college music classes the only way I could remember all the songs and > artists that were going to be on a test was to memorize the imagery and > sometimes colors that I associated with them. > > I've always dreamt in color and have only had about 5 nightmares in my life > (and remember them all!) I've had two dreams that actually came true, too! > > Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #595 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?