From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #590 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, December 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 590 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: dog eat dog ... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: dog eat dog ... ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: hi all [Randy Remote ] Re: dog eat dog ... [Randy Remote ] Re: dog eat dog ... ["hell" ] Fwd: Arthur Lee (Love) freed? (njc) [jan gyn ] Hejira lost [Phyliss Ward ] Re: The Yvette (Christina) boys are: [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Fwd: Arthur Lee (Love) freed? (njc) [colin ] synthetic music njc [colin ] Re: scary childhood memories NJC [colin ] RE: Hejira lost ["Johnson Victor" ] re: childhood memories (njc) [anne@sandstrom.com] Interesting discovery(njc) ["Johnson Victor" ] Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) [Alison E ] Re: dog eat dog ... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Guantanamera [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Guantanamera (njc) [Dflahm@aol.com] No real JC: Modes and dulcimers [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Chattering Teeth - NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) ["Johnson Victor" ] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: dog eat dog ... ["Mark or Travis" ] RE: Childhood memories (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni Tributes- thirtysomething ["Kate Bennett" ] "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" ["Kate Bennett" ] No Chattering - NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: december 12!!!!!! (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: No Chattering - NJC ["Johnson Victor" ] Re: Joni Tributes [Brian Gross ] joni on thirtysomething [Jane Golden ] joni on thirtysomething [Jane Golden ] childhood song memories and singing nuns NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) [Gary Zack ] Chattering/covering- NJC long ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:17:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... Welcome, Warren...very bold of you to defend DED on your very first post! :~) Definitely some nice moments on that record. I was reading about Lennon's "Imagine" in the latest Rolling Stone, and it reminded me of "Impossible Dreamer", which is a great composition. When you stand DED up to what else was out there in 1985, it looks OK. It's only when you prop it up against most of her other work that it begins to pale. Looking forward to hearing more outta ya'! :~) Bob NP: Vonda Shepherd, "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:19:55 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... Greetings to you! I hope you like the site. I like Dog Eat Dog because it is around this time of year that I originally received it. It was the second Joni Album that I had in my collection, and somehow it fit. Sythetic sound or synthesizers can have an odd emotional effect on me, maybe it is in the era i grew up or maybe I am just open to that type of sound, but I do find the album to be fetching for what it is worth. It is sort of like that second cousin you just like to ignore, but cant help giving him the credit for being an existentialist. BLair _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:29:27 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: hi all Hi Rachael, and welcome to the list... The best background, I think, is the music itself. Everything else is secondary!! While other people have their favorites, my suggestions are: For The Roses Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Hissing of Summer Lawns Hejira For starters! RR Rachael DeRoest wrote: > HI guys and gals...just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Rachael..i am 23 and live in Seattle, WA. I am a singer with a music business degree and work in radio and record promotions. > > I have had joni music around the house all my life... but didn't really click with her up until 2 weeks ago when i decided to sit down and really study some of the female songwriters in popular music (I have a small obsession with women in music). She is by far the best i have found. I am madly in love with the "court & Spark" and "blue" albums. I am hoping to get a cmplete discography by the end of the holidays so i can really experience all the sides of joni. I think i actually picked the best way to start, by purchasing "the complete poems & lyrics" book so i could let the stories speak for themselves. It has been kind of exciting to see how much the music enhances each story. > > Anyhow..i am a newbie to the entire joni scene as some found out this morning...so i am probably gonna be asking a bunch of questions. If any of you have any thoughts or good resource ideas where i can really dive in...let me know. > > BTW...does anyone knoew where you can by any posters/prints of her art work or of her? > > Thanks > Rachael > -- > > _______________________________________________ > 1 cent a minute calls anywhere in the U.S.! > > http://www.getpennytalk.com/cgi-bin/adforward.cgi?p_key=RG9853KJ&url=http://www.getpennytalk.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:31:08 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... Hi Warren, welcome to the fray... I appreciate your comments on DED, well said. RR WARREN901@aol.com wrote: > hey lets lighten up on DED, i happen to think it is a wonderful album! > granted, it took me a little longer than usual to warm up to it but when i > did i found it to be as rewarding as any of joni's works. ( i > especially liked " shiny toys .") i think all of joni's work is complex , it > sometimes takes a long time to appreciate the subtlties in her music. as for > the synth music and 80's sound remarks , i have to disagree. it was an angry > album and i thought the synthesizer was an excellent choice to convey that. > as for the 80's sound... i consider her music to be quite timeless and take > offense to lumping it with a phrase which i consider somewhat derogatory ! > i'll end by commenting on the other people " doing it better " remark. hey > this is joni, nobody does it better... ( if i sound like a diehard fan its > because i am . enough said...) regards, warren keith > > p.s. hey, i'm a virgin ! i'm new to the site that is. greetings to all > you joni fans !!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 10:41:12 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... Bob wrote: > Welcome, Warren...very bold of you to defend DED on your > very first post! :~) Yes, welcome to the best discussion list ever! And we have the best parties, too...... > Definitely some nice moments on that record. I was reading > about Lennon's "Imagine" in the latest Rolling Stone, and it > reminded me of "Impossible Dreamer", which is a great composition. > > When you stand DED up to what else was out there in 1985, > it looks OK. It's only when you prop it up against most of her > other work that it begins to pale. OK, here's a little exercise that might help anyone who doesn't "like" DED (which personally, I love - it's in my Joni top five). Get yourself a copy of the William Shatner/Leonard Nimoy classic, "Spaced Out - The Very Best Of....". Listen to it five consecutive times at least, but play Both Sides Now and Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds ten times. NOW play Dog Eat Dog. Doesn't it sound good?! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:39:56 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Arthur Lee (Love) freed? (njc) Unconfirmed: >Date: 11/12/01 16:49 PM > >RE: Love-Lee news... > >A Federal judge in California has supposedly reversed Arthur Lee's >conviction and thrown out the 12-year sentence. The report stated that >he will be freed within 60 days. Too bad he won't be out for Christmas. > >------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:56:29 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Hejira lost I loaned my copy of Hejira to a starving artist friend to listen to on her long ride home from a show this weekend. She's hooked! I told her to go ahead and keep it and I'd get a new one 'cuz I thought there was a new improved HDCD version or something out. I've checked a few places and don't see it though. Can someone clue this non-audio-techno-gal out on this? Is there a new improved version? Where can I find it online???? - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 16:59:21 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Yvette (Christina) boys are: <> Well, I would have to say the final result...the original seems to be pretty unfocused. He was lucky to get Joni's help via fax! Maybe she'd do the same for you aspiring lyric writers...anyone know her fax #? ;~) Bob NP: Nat King Cole, "Silent Night" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:45:40 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois "Ron Greer" wrote: >i got even happier when i got home & put [Perceptual] on!! Glad you dig it, Ron. It's a beautiful work. >as jaco was to bass, so brian is to drums.... How so? Can you elaborate? Or is it just by virtue of both having worked with Joni? - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:49:45 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Fwd: Arthur Lee (Love) freed? (njc) who is arthur lee? jan gyn wrote: > Unconfirmed: > > >Date: 11/12/01 16:49 PM > > > >RE: Love-Lee news... > > > >A Federal judge in California has supposedly reversed Arthur Lee's > >conviction and thrown out the 12-year sentence. The report stated that > >he will be freed within 60 days. Too bad he won't be out for Christmas. > > > >------ End of Forwarded Message - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:54:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: synthetic music njc > Sythetic > sound or synthesizers can have an odd emotional effect on me, you are not the only one Blair, as this type of music gets to me too. Wheter it be accompanied by singing or not. I was into Tangerine Dream in the early 70's and then I Feel Love hit the scene along with Jean Michel Jarre and Oxygene. Really turned my head. I own loads of synth music, including all The Pet Shop Boys. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:54:57 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: scary childhood memories NJC What does baked mean? wicked? cos what your uncle did was certainly wicked..... Blair Fraipont wrote: > My Scariest childhood memory would have to be when my parents took a > weekend away and left my sister and I with my baked aunt and uncle. I > remember watching some old silent movie and my uncle saying, "That is the > guy that is going to take your parents away. Your parents are never coming > back!" I remember when they returned home from their trip how I cried and > hugged them so tightly as if I were to never see them again. > I was very gullible as a child and guess I still am. > :) Blair > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:59:39 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: RE: Hejira lost Can someone clue this non-audio-techno-gal > out on this? Is there a new improved version? Where can I find it > online???? > Hey! I did the same thing except I replaced Hejira because the one I had was skipping all over the place and needed to be given a decent burial. I bought my new HDCD copy at Borders books. I would think you could find it there online. Victor > - --- Johnson Victor - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:19:41 -0800 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: re: childhood memories (njc) How could I forget??? The Singing Nun album was one of the few we owned - that and the soundtracks to Camelot and My Fair Lady, plus The Nutcracker Suite. Anyway, I remember my father bought a new 'hi-fi" that my mother was kind of afraid of. We were playing "The Singing Nun" and the record kept playing over and over. My mother was afraid she'd break something if she turned it off. So we listened to it for a couple of hours until my father came home. It's probably why I did ok in French :-) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:32:40 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: Interesting discovery(njc) I was piddling around today with some old digital adat tapes trying to see what was on them and came across some songs I had recorded with an old band back in 1995. I'd completely forgotten about them and was pretty amazed at how good they sounded. At the time I was playing with a "crazy" fiddle player named Mary and keyboardist Hal Month(who now plays with and manages jam band "Ancient Harmony" from Alabama) and I was playing bass and guitar. One of the songs is "The Lorax" written in tribute to Dr. Suess and another is "Wild Women" a song inspired by an ancient Greek myth about Dionysis and his female followers, the Maenads, and a king who attempted to subdue and control them and is ultimately killed and then buried by his very own mother. I've been working on a project that involves the song "Master of the Ring" and plan on releasing a collection of songs as an EP of sorts through MP3.com , to coincide with the film that will be released next week. I don't know if it will be ready exactly by them but I'm excited to find these old recordings and plan on including them. I remember thinking at the time that we had a really awesome sound but couldn't build up a following at all no matter how we tried. There is a really good energy present in these recordings though I'll probably redo the vocal tracks. I'll keep you posted. Victor --- Johnson Victor--- waytoblu@mindspring.com--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:38:30 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) let me chime in and wish our esteemed and tremendously talented david lahm the happiest of birthdays. if i were in chelsea, i would drop in personally to toast a cosmopolitan with you.... sadly i am not :-( (oh how i miss the huge cosmos at judy's chelsea!) i hope your day is fantastic. love, alison e. in nyc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > HAPPY BI I R T H D A Y > > D A V I D ! ! ! > > the JMDL BF will one day sing in chelsea! > love, > the JMDL BF Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 15:38:40 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... I'm a vigin too........I have her entire catalog, except DED. I am probably a bigger fan than you. ;-) Many people on the list think DED sucks, but you are so right about the sublties in her music. One of these days I will take the plunge and buy it. I did hear once the cigarette machine......sounded good to me, music to my ears. Welcome!! Bree > hey lets lighten up on DED, i happen to think it is a wonderful album! >granted, it took me a little longer than usual to warm up to it but when i >did i found it to be as rewarding as any of joni's works. ( i >especially liked " shiny toys .") i think all of joni's work is complex , >it >sometimes takes a long time to appreciate the subtlties in her music. as >for >the synth music and 80's sound remarks , i have to disagree. it was an >angry >album and i thought the synthesizer was an excellent choice to convey >that. > as for the 80's sound... i consider her music to be quite timeless and >take >offense to lumping it with a phrase which i consider somewhat derogatory ! >i'll end by commenting on the other people " doing it better " remark. hey >this is joni, nobody does it better... ( if i sound like a diehard fan its >because i am . enough said...) regards, warren keith > > p.s. hey, i'm a virgin ! i'm new to the site that is. greetings to >all >you joni fans !!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:31:05 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Guantanamera If I am not wildly mistaken (altho, that's happened before) I believe this song title derives from Guantanamo Bay, in Cuba, which has or had a lovely beach before the US Navy sailed in. A woman from Guantanamo would be called a 'Guantanamera'. And this song has absolutely nothing to do with the Chinese-Irish WWF wrestler, Wonton O'Meara. un hombre sincero, ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:08:56 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Guantanamera (njc) I heard the same derivation for "Guantanamera," Chuck. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:52:16 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: No real JC: Modes and dulcimers I am considering *attempting to lead a workshop/swap at the Jonifest NE2002 Campathon on Joni's dulcimer tunes. This might get somewhat into modes and theory, or at least a practicum of all that. And....altho I play the thing I am finding my understanding of modes is a little scant. My study is coming along, but I'm still needing some aha's! Are there any dulcimer players or modal theorists (Steve, Fred, others?) who would have an interest in some messaging offline on this subject? Mixolydianly yours, ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 19:35:54 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) HAPPY BIRTHDAY DAVID!!!!! missing Judy's Chelsea too we'll have to visit soon Love, Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:07:16 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) A very happy birthday to our esteemed Mr. Lahm! One of these days I will get to the Chelsea. You are in good company - it is also the birthday of Frank Sinatra! All the best, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 17:17:51 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Chattering Teeth - NJC Brenda - I've had meetings for the past couple months with accountants who fly out to L.A. every week from Washington, D.C. Yesterday while we were in a meeting THEY all started whimpering at how cold it is here. Maybe they are weakening, too, haha. The combination of us being a desert perched on the ocean in wintertime can make for a very cold surprise indeed! But chances are we'll have a Santa Ana blow in soon so we can have a bit of a short thaw-out ;-) Kakki NP: Kurt Elling - Easy Living ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:43:57 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #381 Oh, now! Here we go again. C'mon kids, its not that bad. My Secret Place, Cool Water, Lay Down Your Arms, etc...these are some of the best listenin' this side of I don't know what. Far superior to DED, which I also like. I think that CMIARS is aging well, and in 20 years, will be better received by new converts than others from the 80/90's period, even say Turbulent Indigo (which is a great record, but not nearly as interesting.) CMIARS is smooth studio Joni, which I love. I couldn't possibly listen to the croaky, clunky Not To Blame one more time. Reuben Reuben colin writes: > > Now if you want to bellyache about an album ... the Chalkmark in a Rainstorm > > was a washout. > > well i think i agree on that one. i hardly ever listen to it. like Lakota tho. > > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, > Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:26:52 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) Happy Birthday David! I promise I'll get to Chelsea's and New York someday soon. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:41:31 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (njc) (njc) > was it dominique? > there was the movie too [with debbie reynolds???] > I don't know the woman's real name but I believe she was known as Soeur Sourire which I believe is French for Sister Smile. But then you've all probably gone to the link Wally posted & know this already. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:44:57 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: dog eat dog ... as for > the synth music and 80's sound remarks , i have to disagree. it was an angry > album and i thought the synthesizer was an excellent choice to convey that. How many times have I said this?!! Thank you, Warren and welcome! I agree with this statement 100%! > as for the 80's sound... i consider her music to be quite timeless and take > offense to lumping it with a phrase which i consider somewhat derogatory ! > i'll end by commenting on the other people " doing it better " remark. hey > this is joni, nobody does it better... ( if i sound like a diehard fan its > because i am . enough said...) regards, warren keith None of it is bad. Some of it I like better than others but imo Joni has never turned out a bad record. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:36:36 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Childhood memories (NJC) Kenny Loggins has two children's albums & Shawn Colvin has one too. And a big second on Sunnytime Soup! It is wonderful! I remember playing a record called the 3 Billy Goats Gruff...it had a scary part where a troll lived under the bridge & I loved frightening myself by listening to it! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:36:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Tributes- thirtysomething i remember an episode where they played In My Life...very poignant...(i am having a major beatle obsession right now...) >>i loved that show, and will admit to occasionally watching the reruns on one of the cable channels... they used circle game and river, if i remember correctly. in different episodes.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:36:49 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" i just recorded a song that begins & ends with this melody...i assume this song is now public domain? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:36:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: No Chattering - NJC I have played in a few places that are known for this policy (I wish there were more too) ...The Bluebird Cafe in Nashville (probably one of the first to do so), Eddie's Attic near Atlanta, Coffee Gallery Backstage in Pasadena...when I used to play in the round with Jim Messina he used to remind the audience to not talk & would give the stnk eye to anyone who was talking away when the songwriters were singing... > I'm curious as to how the club enforces this policy. Is there a sign out > front warning the audience not to talk and if so, is that sufficient to > keep everyone quiet during the performance? This blurb from LA Weekly is the first I heard of the no chattering policy! I've never seen signs there in the past but it's like the crowd just knows to be quiet so if anyone else makes a peep they will stick out like a sore thumb! Wonder if Joni could handle the policy? LOL > FWIW I wish more venues would impose similar policies! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 18:36:48 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: december 12!!!!!! (njc) Happy Happy Birthday David Lahm!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:37:28 -0800 From: "Johnson Victor" Subject: RE: No Chattering - NJC > I have played in a few places that are known for this policy (I wish there > were more too) ...The Bluebird Cafe in Nashville (probably one of the first > to do so), Eddie's Attic near Atlanta, Eddie was actually known by some people as the Shhhhh nazi... Victor - --- Johnson Victor - --- waytoblu@mindspring.com - --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:09:53 -0500 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni Tributes <> Bob answered: They previewed the orchestrated version of BSN on "Dawson's Creek"...I don't think they ever featured her music on the show "thirtysomething", which is a surprise as there would have been many good fits I'm sure...they did play RLJ and Karla Bonoff on the show. Now me: To the contrary, both River and Circle Game were used on episodes of thirtysomething, one of my favorite non-cop television shows ever. Michael was sooooooo lucky ;-) And Karla Bonoff's performance of The Water is Wide still brings a tear (or two or three) to my eyes. Her music so touches my heart. back to lurking in dark places, Brei - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:26:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Golden Subject: joni on thirtysomething __________________________________________________ Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:49:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jane Golden Subject: joni on thirtysomething sorry for the previous blank email... I remember "River" on this show. Got my attention. I recall one of the characters, a single raspy-voiced woman, once singing/speaking a snippet of "All I Want". I believe she might have been making a video for a dating service?? "I want to knit you a sweater, want to write you a love letter..." The same people who produced that show now do one called, "Once and Again", and I have heard Rickie Lee Jones as well as Jonatha Brooke on that one. These guys may make whiny shows, but their musical tastes are pretty good. While I'm here out of lurkdom, a couple of things... Bob, in SC, I was interested to see your NP - John Mayer. Remember about six months ago I wrote you asking if you knew of this guy? He's a big deal here in Birmingham, comes around every couple of months. Nice to see he's catching on elsewhere. Kate in SoCal - My husband and I purchased a guitar for our teenaged daughter for Christmas. Though she has expressed some interest, she doesn't play (yet!) so we did not want to invest tons in something she may have little interest in. After much searching, settled on a Taylor "Baby", as she is very petite and does not easily handle standard sized guitars. I thought of you immediately. It has a beautiful sound, and is so nice and portable as well. Bye y'all. Jane Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:25:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: childhood song memories and singing nuns NJC ok a couple of things I've been wanting to find time to comment on: My earliest childhood memories of music are of my mom watching theTom Jones show on tv. Her friend Linda would come over and they would watch it together every week. Linda would entertain my sister and I with stories of women throwing their panties on stage at Tom Jones concerts. I thought that was really dirty, I must have been 4 or 5 at the time. My mom also listened to Creedence Clearwater Revival, Johnny Cash, and James Brown, so I had some decent music at a young age. Later (age 5 or 6?) I discovered radio and my sister and I would drive my mom nuts by constantly listening to a AM station that played Tex-Mex Conjunto music. My sister and I still love that music, my mom still hates it! Singing nuns- The song Dominique was indeed credited to The Singing Nun (I have the lp). I think there was a movie musical made about her (pre lesbian suicide tragedy) life with Debbie Reynolds playing the title role. Sally Fields actually did a Flying Nun lp (I have that one too). It's as bad as you'd think, and unintentionally funny. There was also a hit single in the mid '70's of the Lord's Prayer put to music (with a poppy folk-rock feel). I think a nun did that one too, but don't know for sure. I remember hearing it on the radio when I was a kid. Oh, by the way, I haunt thrift stores and buy any unusual or bad lp's that I find, which is why I have those records. The Singing Nun's sad story reminds me of the book Lesbian Nuns: Breaking the Silence that came out in the '80's. My cousin bought me a copy for Christmas so I'd have to unwrap it in front of the family. Later I read something by John Waters where he says that he brings a copy of that book to read when flying so that the person sitting next to him wiill leave him alone. Tyler reveling in a little end-of-semester free time Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 23:53:09 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: hi all Welcome to the list Rachael! Take your time and go slowly with the Joni. If you get it all at the same time you will end up like the rest of us (looking like buzzards sitting on a fence waiting for something new and praying she plays piano again and stuff like that). I envy you. Oh the joy to experience each new album and take it all in. Be sure to grovel with some of the local yokals here and pick up some of the live records, bootlegs, covers and contributions (from the man hisownself Bob Muller) and especially the Alternate Blue and The Hissing Demos. I would be happy to hook you up if you are interested. Best wishes, Paz (in New Orleans) on 12/12/01 12:42 AM, Rachael DeRoest at roses_blue@email.com wrote: > HI guys and gals...just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Rachael..i am > 23 and live in Seattle, WA. I am a singer with a music business degree and > work in radio and record promotions. > > I have had joni music around the house all my life... but didn't really click > with her up until 2 weeks ago when i decided to sit down and really study some > of the female songwriters in popular music (I have a small obsession with > women in music). She is by far the best i have found. I am madly in love with > the "court & Spark" and "blue" albums. I am hoping to get a cmplete > discography by the end of the holidays so i can really experience all the > sides of joni. I think i actually picked the best way to start, by purchasing > "the complete poems & lyrics" book so i could let the stories speak for > themselves. It has been kind of exciting to see how much the music enhances > each story. > > Anyhow..i am a newbie to the entire joni scene as some found out this > morning...so i am probably gonna be asking a bunch of questions. If any of you > have any thoughts or good resource ideas where i can really dive in...let me > know. > > BTW...does anyone knoew where you can by any posters/prints of her art work or > of her? > > Thanks > Rachael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 00:52:52 -0500 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Fwd: Nun Joke (nlc) Unfortuately, this is a true story. The Singing Nun, Sister Luc-Dominique, also known as "Soeur Sourire" or "Sister Smile" had the hit with the song "Dominique." In fact, Ed Sullivan traveled to her Dominican convent in Belgium to tape her singing the song for his show in the 60s. You can read the details as they are known at the following address: http://deckers66.homestead.com/ Click on biography for the details. I still have her original vinyl album, as well as the same one on CD, and a second one on vinyl that she released just after she left the convent I believe. I've always liked nuns, even wrote and copyrighted a song I wrote back in the 70s, called "Nun Like A Lover." :-) Her story is very sad. The convent kept all monies from the song (as she was under the vow of poverty) and then the government went after her for back taxes after she left the convent. This was what I understand drove her and her lover to suicide, as they continued to live in the poorest of condtions while I believe, still trying to help others. Best regards, Gary Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > >>>Speaking of nuns, does anyone remember a song that came about the > >>mid-sixties sung by a group of nuns (French) that was a big#1 hit? > > > >What a weird coincidence ! I just heard this song on the radio a few days > >ago - "Dominique". Seems like it was French canadian, but I > >could be wrong about that. > > > >The really strange part is that a few years later the woman killed herself. > >If I heard correctly, it was a double suicide - the nun and her female > >lover. How very very sad. I can only imagine how conflicted that woman was. > > > >Sybil > > How tragic!! If this is true? I'm sure she was a former nun......because > you must be celibate?! Jesus is your spouse. I hope this is just a > rumor......you know how these kind of tales get started and become the > truth. Well, a lot of times there is no validity to the story. And if it is > true........she took vows which meant for her entire life and maybe she > couldn't deal with the guilt of breaking those vows? Guilt can KILL a > person, if one lets it! > > Bree > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 04:05:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Chattering/covering- NJC long i've caught on this thread very very late but i assume it's about folks that make a noise while one is singing. i must confess that it bothers me tremendously when people don't pay attention while i'm singing. it has to do with the way i perform; i can never repeat my renditions. so whether it is coming out horrendously or gloriously, it is the only time in your life and in my life that we're going to hear it, especially the a cappella stuff. if i were able to do the same songs consistently i guess i would just shrug my shoulders. but the way it is with me, i am overcome by a terrible sense of loss when people are not listening and watching because i know that there will never ever be a reprise. my singing feeds on your silence. i need your attention so that i can figure out what i want to do. when i go up i don't know what i'm going to sing. i usually go some place where i can be on my own and sing a few bars of this and a few bars of that. but the rest is happening on the stage. many sides of my self that are usually dormant or hidden or lurking come out only when i sing for other people. i don't understand people that will insist and insist and insist that i sing or play a tape of my songs for them, and no sooner have i started than they begin to chat. i just don't get it. it is as if you insisted that i take my clothes off and then you started chitchatting with your next door neighbor while i'm most vulnerable and open to you. because that's what it is. when one performs one is so open and defenseless. i know that i am not a professional and that i can't make demands, but why do people ask someone to perform if they're not going to pay attention. performing is a very intimate act. one is revealing so much about oneself. tremendous visions sometimes. another topic that is very dear to me is covering. i started singing only my own stuff. i wrote my own songs because i didn't want to owe anybody anything for my visions. i loved many musicians but my stuff was, well, better. however, two instances in my life redefined my idea of covering [which until then was basically what Karen did and what Ella did: use the beauty of their voices to sing something that someone else had written]. these two before-and-and after moments came when i heard Sarah Vaughan sing ''feelings'' [!!!] and when i heard rickie lee jones sing anything. until then to me the only interesting way to cover the music of another author was opera, more specifically, the maria callas school. i won't even attempt to go into the topic of maria callas here because it would take volumes and a total lack of prejudice against opera and un-beautiful voices, a lack of bias that i am not sure all of us share. verdi spoke of ''la parola scenica'', roughly translated: the scenic word, the performed word, the acted word. you see, singing is about the word, not the voice. the word may be the lyrics, but it can be more generally interpreted as MEANING. singing is a semantic act. when the voice is simply beautiful [and i wish i had a beautiful voice, don't get me wrong], when the voice is an instrument to the tune, you have a very nice effect. when the voice BECOMES the tune, when the voice acquires a meaning of its own, when the voice tells the story as much as do the lyrics, the voice has become the word. la parola scenica. the voice is the singer is the meaning is the act. when i heard Sarah sing ''feelings'', i knew my life as a singer would never be the same. for the first time i could see that it was possible to have parola scenica outside the realm of opera and maria callas. feelings is such a stupid song, so blah, so nothing. the chord progression is DULL. it's a piece of nothing. if by virtue of your acting skills, that is, your ability to tell somebody else's truth , you can believe in ''feelings'', then you are maria callas. and i should learn from you. i started trying other people's stuff. how did i teach myself? it is essential that you do not choose something that it is very easy to believe in. it is easy to believe in the blues and to believe in ballads. no, i'm sorry. you have to try harder. lullabies are perfect to start with. you can take them wherever you want to and that's what you should do. how sad can you get, how silly can you get, how creepy can you get, etc.. and by this i mean, can you believe in the sadness, the silliness, or the thing that crawls out of your heart and stares into the face? you have to understand a little music too. i can't read music but i like harmony, chords, the math part. it helps me in my contemplation of a song. the words don't help much. i eventually end up changing lots of the words to suit my mood. i apologize. but the harmony is more like the way of reasoning, the logical circuit that underlies the argument in the song. when i deconstruct i take enormous precautions not to destroy. after all, the song is one and only one. the song makes a point and you should make the same point. the architecture of the song will help you, believe me. find its premises, its conclusion, its assumptions. how is the point made? most importantly, do i care to make that point myself? again, i'm not talking about the words or the story in the song, nothing so obvious. that's why i recommend starting with lullabies or simple rhymes. find the flow of thought in the song itself not in your interpretation of the verbal part alone. la parola scenica, not just la parola. i really wish i could explain what i mean. it all goes back to maria callas, in the end. and it is really wrong to chat while someone is singing for you, and it is ok to chat if someone is just singing. wally ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #590 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?