From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #588 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 588 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- White Christmas (NJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] Jill Scott NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] goldenrod NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Grammy Lifetime Award, njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] RE: White Christmas mondegreen (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: No Chattering - NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] covering? (njc) ["Nikki Johnson" ] misheard lyrics (NJC) [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: NJC Blade/Elling/Simon ["Kakki" ] RE: misheard lyrics (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: misheard lyrics (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: No Chattering - NJC ["Kakki" ] december 12!!!!!! (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: No Chattering - NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: No Chattering - NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: covering? (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) [Michael Paz ] Photographer's Corner, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Song Publishing questions (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Album coherence (was: That Ole Blue v. Hejira...) [Shnootre@aol.com] RE: Childhood memories (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Song publishing questions (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: No Chattering - NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: childhood memories NJC ["J. R. Mills" ] Re: Childhood memories ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: childhood memories NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois [FredNow@aol.com] Re: childhood memories NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: childhood memories NJC ["J. R. Mills" ] Re: childhood memories NJC ["J. R. Mills" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:39:08 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: White Christmas (NJC) Sharon Buffington wrote: ..White Christmas (which even this Jewish girl knows)... Sharon, you do know (don't you?) that the lyricist/composer of "White Christmas" was Irving Berlin, birth name Israel Balin? And you do play (don't you?) the too-seldom-heard introduction of the song: The sun is shining The grass is green The orange and palm trees sway. There's never been such a day In Beverly Hills, L.A. But it's December the 24th And I am longing to be up north. (I'm dreaming of a White Christmas, etc.) Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:10:48 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Jill Scott NJC Hello, a quick note to say thanks Michael for recommending Jill Scott. I bought "Who is Jill Scott?" and I love it! So far I've heard it only once, as I just bought it along with a whole bunch of other CDs. I really like "exclusively" - she's got a great sense of humor - and "Love Rain". too much music, not enough time. still, Michael, if you have any other suggestions I'd like to hear them. Mary People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:49:28 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: goldenrod NJC hello, have any of you heard of goldenrod? from their website, www.goldenrod.com: GOLDENROD MUSIC . . . more than just another dot.com Welcome to GOLDENROD MUSIC, a one-stop service center for independent artists. For over twenty-five years, we've been working with performer to ensure that the recordings they've worked so hard to create actually reach their targeted audience. Our unofficial motto, "YOU DESERVE MORE THAN TOP 40 MUSIC," should tell you a little something about us. Goldenrod Music is highly regarded as an independent distributor. Focusing primarily on music by women, we work hand in hand with artists, producers, retailers, press and fans to distribute the music that we think makes the world a better place. We provide a complete array of services to independent and major label artists of all genres Check out Judy Small, Australian lesbian/feminist artist. she's very good. there is one Joni listed, BSN. mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:52:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Grammy Lifetime Award, njc As a new owner of "reading glasses", I guess I'm growing into the title "curmudgeon". Anyway, while it's nice to see Count Basie given his due, isn't it disappointing that Grammy didn't recognize his lifetime achievement till in 2001? Brei quoted USA Today (Mc Paper) which said, >>According to USA Today: "Bandleader/pianist Count Basie, vocalists Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney, soul singer Al Green and singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell will be honored with the 2002 Lifetime Achievement Awards at the 44th annual Grammy Awards, the Recording Academy will announce today. Producer/phycisist Tom Dowd and deejay Alan Freed will receive the Recording Academy's Trustees Awards. The Grammys will air live from Los Angeles Feb. 27 on CBS." Lama, who used to be an angry, poor, young man and is now becoming an angry, poor, old man. This is progress? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:56:31 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: No Chattering - NJC Hi Scott, > I'm curious as to how the club enforces this policy. Is there a sign out > front warning the audience not to talk and if so, is that sufficient to > keep everyone quiet during the performance? This blurb from LA Weekly is the first I heard of the no chattering policy! I've never seen signs there in the past but it's like the crowd just knows to be quiet so if anyone else makes a peep they will stick out like a sore thumb! Wonder if Joni could handle the policy? LOL > FWIW I wish more venues would impose similar policies! I've found for the most part that when it's a small place that always has a steady stream of top musicians, one doesn't have to worry too much. Most music lovers nowadays will burn a dirty look right through you if you are yapping away during the performance! Kakki NP: Kurt Elling - Detour Ahead (oooh, just starting in on this one, Fred, and going now to read your liner notes ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:00:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: White Christmas mondegreen (NJC) i had always heard [and sung!!!] ''the old hundred palm trees sway''!!!! thank you, tim... wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Timothy Spong Enviado el: Miircoles, 12 de Diciembre de 2001 01:39 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: White Christmas (NJC) The orange and palm trees sway. There's never been such a day In Beverly Hills, L.A. But it's December the 24th And I am longing to be up north. (I'm dreaming of a White Christmas, etc.) Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:03:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Laura Nyro Biography -NJC oh billy billy billy!!! what splendid news! and a new cd? ''oh won't you marry me bill....'' [said laura!] wally -----Mensaje original----- De: Wtking59@cs.com [mailto:Wtking59@cs.com] Enviado el: Martes, 11 de Diciembre de 2001 03:09 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar Asunto: Laura Nyro Biography -NJC I've just remembered some news I meant to pass along earlier. I recently received news that the upcoming Laura Nyro biography by Michele Kort entitled "Soul Picnic: The Music And Passion Of Laura Nyro" will finally be released next April. Amazon.com is already taking pre-orders. Also, I believe a new CD release is due around the same time. XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:13:30 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: No Chattering - NJC In a message dated 12/11/01 10:04:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > Wonder if Joni could handle the policy? LOL > Hey, maybe you'll just happen to bump into her again:) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:28:01 -0500 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: covering? (njc) Hi! All this talk of covering has been interesting and of course timely...that synchronicity thing again I suppose. I have been doing a little bit of studying the evolution of American music and have been wonding about the term 'covering'. The first time I seem to notice it used is after WWII when black artists were starting to be 'covered' by whites (early rock & roll) and the white person that covered them was the one who the song was usually associated with, not the original writer. This was very common and it would make sense that the term originated in this time but I was wondering if anyone knows anything more about this or if my speculation is true. Love Nikki (who should go back to studying for the exam on American music!) "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. You've got to kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight." Bruce Cockburn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:24:43 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: misheard lyrics (NJC) In a message dated 12/11/01 7:04:49 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: >i had always heard [and sung!!!] ''the old hundred palm trees sway''!!!! >thank you, tim... >wally this reminds me of growing up listening to Simon and Garfunkel. when I heard "flowers never bend with the rainfall" I heard the first line as "through the car doors of sleep". I never understood this. It was many years later that I understood them to be singing "through the corridors of sleep". also, in HOSL, on Harry's House, when Joni sings: battalions of paper-minded males talking commodities and sales - she adds something here that isn't on the lyrics that I can tell. it sound like "by the tone there" by the toner? I think I'm not hearing it right. anyone know what this is? thanks, Mary People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:28:38 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Blade/Elling/Simon Hi Bob: >Very cool that you heard "Steadfast" on the >radio, Kakki...such a haunting piece of music. >Brian Blade has created a specific 'sound' >which is even more noteworthy considering >that he's a drummer! Thanks to Paz who sent me "Perceptual" when it was just released. It is haunting and very gorgeous. It struck me as a new wave 21st century kind of music. I was on a business call when it came on today and actually put the guy on hold to alert my co-worker that it was Joni singing!! She is not the music freak we are but she dropped her jaw and thought it was amazing, too. On to the very good notes on Fred Simon's collboration with Kurt Elling from the new album ~ "Flirting With Twilight" closes with Chicago-based songwriter Fred Simon's alluring theme "While You Are Mine," to which Kurt has attached stunning lyrics. I like the way it sounds. the simplicity of it," he states. "It speaks in a certain way, in the same way as the Charlie Haden thing. At the time I wrote the lyric, I was reading a lot of [poet] Kenneth Rexroth, so it's kind of a Rexroth homage. He was always aware of the passage of time, how much is irreplaceable when it's gone, how much of life you have to get now. Now, today, baby, make it real now, esspecially with romance. That makes everything so sweet and bittersweet, even at the moment of the most profound togetherness." Listening to Elling is like falling into the greatest love while drinking the best martini you ever tasted - Sigh.......;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:32:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: misheard lyrics (NJC) i hear ''while at home their...'' wrong again????? wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 12 de Diciembre de 2001 12:25 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: misheard lyrics (NJC) In a message dated 12/11/01 7:04:49 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: >i had always heard [and sung!!!] ''the old hundred palm trees sway''!!!! >thank you, tim... >wally this reminds me of growing up listening to Simon and Garfunkel. when I heard "flowers never bend with the rainfall" I heard the first line as "through the car doors of sleep". I never understood this. It was many years later that I understood them to be singing "through the corridors of sleep". also, in HOSL, on Harry's House, when Joni sings: battalions of paper-minded males talking commodities and sales - she adds something here that isn't on the lyrics that I can tell. it sound like "by the tone there" by the toner? I think I'm not hearing it right. anyone know what this is? thanks, Mary People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:38:33 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: misheard lyrics (NJC) In a message dated 12/11/01 10:31:42 PM, TimandMaryPowers@aol.com writes: << she adds something here that isn't on the lyrics that I can tell. it sound like "by the tone there" by the toner? I think I'm not hearing it right. anyone know what this is? >> "While at home their paper wives and their paper kids . . ." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:41:56 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: No Chattering - NJC >>Wonder if Joni could handle the policy? LOL >Hey, maybe you'll just happen to bump into her again:) Wouldn't that be something! I bet they could stop her chattering by getting her up to sing a few! ;-) It is absolutely freezing here with a cold wind blowing non-stop since Sunday - don't know if I'll venture out tonight or tomorrow but will report back if I do. Bet Klein will be there. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:48:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: december 12!!!!!! (njc) LITTLE LAHM WHO MADE THEE DOST THOU KNOW WHO MADE THEE H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y D A V I D ! ! ! the JMDL BF will one day sing in chelsea! love, the JMDL BF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:56:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: No Chattering - NJC kakki!!!!! freezing? it's 59 degrees in los angeles right now! it is the same temperature we had at ashara's when we were out in the porch. LOL wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kakki Enviado el: Miircoles, 12 de Diciembre de 2001 12:42 a.m. Para: RoseMJoy@aol.com; sp@olympus.net; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: No Chattering - NJC >>Wonder if Joni could handle the policy? LOL >Hey, maybe you'll just happen to bump into her again:) Wouldn't that be something! I bet they could stop her chattering by getting her up to sing a few! ;-) It is absolutely freezing here with a cold wind blowing non-stop since Sunday - don't know if I'll venture out tonight or tomorrow but will report back if I do. Bet Klein will be there. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:55:51 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: No Chattering - NJC Wally, I'm way ready to do an immediate house trade! With the wind blowing it feels like 20 degrees F - room temperature for you, of course! Kakki >kakki!!!!! freezing? it's 59 degrees in los angeles right now! it is the >same temperature we had at ashara's when we were out in the porch. LOL >wally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:19:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: covering? (njc) The first time I seem to notice it used is after WWII when black artists were starting to be 'covered' by whites (early rock & roll) and the white person that covered them was the one who the song was usually associated with, not the original writer. This is very true, Nikki...in the early 50's the hit songs on white radio stations were by Patti Page and the like. Radio was very much segregated. When a great song like "Hearts of Stone" came along, performed in all it's doo-wop glory by The Charms, a "cover" was quickly recorded by a white-bread group like The McGuire Sisters, for airplay on white stations. While it may have been a hit for them, the audiences soon began clamoring for the real thing. Hearing some bogus no-talent like Pat Boone singing "Ain't That A Shame" was nothing like hearing Fats knock it out. These are just a couple of examples; the practice lasted a couple of years but for the most part the public wasn't buying. Enter Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and all the rest, and Roll Over Beethoven, tell Tchaikovsky the news! After awhile, the term "cover" had become a vernacular for referring to a version of a song that was made famous by somebody else previously. That's just a real general overview, extracted from my somewhat limited knowledge. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:42:26 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: december 12!!!!!! (njc) ECHOS!!!!!!!!!! To one of my favorite JMDL'ers I wish all the happiness on you special day and always. Hoping to hang with you at the Chelsea when I come up in January (if the Gods are still smiling on me) Got a card from John Kelly today with info about his gig at the Fez. Great card of him and Joni. Be well dear friend and I will toss one or two for you tomorrow night at medication time. Love Paz on 12/11/01 7:48 PM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > LITTLE LAHM > WHO MADE THEE > DOST THOU KNOW > WHO MADE THEE > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y > > > D A V I D ! ! ! > > > the JMDL BF will one day sing in chelsea! > > love, > the JMDL BF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:41:09 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Photographer's Corner, NJC The New York Times has a "neat" photo essay about Pakistan. It's just a bunch of "travel" photos but they are really nice; they are in league with anything I've seen in National Geo. Anyway, the essay is called "Frontiers Of War", by Vincent Laforet. Recommended. (One must register with the New York Times before one is permitted into the site proper. It's free but some may object to the idea of dispersing their personal info.) Lama ps, Does anyone want to gather to talk about photography at Ashara's 2002 JoniFest NE in the form of a workshop? Pearl? Rose? Mags? John? We could have a little discussion/critique session if there's interest. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 04:49:10 -0000 From: "owen.duff" Subject: A case of You Hi, the link, I think (Im a poet and I didnt know it!) is http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoniMitchellfans/files/A%20Case%20of%20You%20. mp3. Im having a little trouble playing it from the group, but hopefully thats down to my crappy connection and nothing more. Ill also email it to anyone whos interested. Thanks, Owen (drunk o dear!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:16:34 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Song Publishing questions (njc) Whoa! Very well said and very true David. Thanks for sharing that address to the Songwriters Guild. Anne, I don't know about you, but since I have made a commitment to music (whether I get paid or not), I feel like for the first time, I am exactly where I am supposed to be. Such a shame it took me 43 years to get there! David, thanks again and I plan on writing to the Songwriters Guild as well! Sherelle In a message dated 12/10/2001 11:14:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:00:40 EST > From: Dflahm@aol.com > Subject: Re: song publishing questions (njc) > > Anne, one organization you should know about is the Songwriters Guild of > America. > > Write to George Wurzbach > Songwriters Guild of America > Room 1306 > 165 W 46th Street, NY NY 10036 > > and ask for membership info. > ************* > Now for my own cheerless outlook: > > Seeking out a publisher at this time would be, imo, premature. The reason > is > that you can offer them only the songs, no guaranteed way of making money. > > If you could walk into a publisher's office and say "I've just signed a > deal > to write six songs for the new Bette Midler movie," then they could see the > > mechanism whereby the money would be generated for them. > > It's the same business philosophy that makes a label reluctant to sign a > new > act until the act has proven that it has a following who will spend bucks. > > The music business is cruel; it reminds me of the Biblical parable of the > talents, where the third servant says to the returning lord, "Master, I > know > you are a hard man; that you reap where you have not sown." > > To reap where they have not sown is what almost every suit in the music > business devotes his/her career to. > > DAVID LAHM > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:18:18 EST From: Shnootre@aol.com Subject: Album coherence (was: That Ole Blue v. Hejira...) Bob wrote: Both are classics and brilliant of course...I've always thought Blue was more disjointed in terms of theme. I mean, you have some optimistic songs (All I Want, My Old Man, Carey), some songs of lost love (A Case of You, River, Blue), and some songs about travel (California, This Flight Tonight), and then she also throws in Little Green & The Last Time I Saw Richard which are very confessional/personal pieces. I don't think the record is overly depressing as do some, nor would I say that it's a happy record. I don't see an interconnecting theme as much as I do with HOSL, Hejira, C&S. I would think that the variety of themes and moods on Blue makes it a stronger overall package. Sometimes I feel that Hejira is a little too steady in comparison (although it certainly sounds like no other album). I'm curious about this issue of album coherence. The first album to stake a claim at it, "it" being the attempt to create a unified artistic whole rather than a handful of separate songs, was Sgt. Pepper's in '67 - and both stylistically and thematically that was all over the map. What it is it about HOSL, and C&S that makes them unified packages? Don't get me wrong - I agree that both are. C&S is my personal favorite, and I'd be curious to hear what people feel holds it together. What makes it (and any of the others) an album as opposed to a bunch of songs? dan s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:25:55 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: RE: Childhood memories (njc) Music was such a big part of my family's life, it's hard to narrow it down to one particular song; so I will throw in three. The first song I remember being enthralled with was "Our Day Will Come." Even at an an early age, I was taken in by chord changes. The next two songs which snagged me on a musical level where, "Crystal Blue Persuasion" by Tommy James and the Shondells(sp?), and "Touch Me" by the doors. The chord changes mesmerized me. I don't know if what sense this makes, but when I was little, I used to relate key signatures to colors. Purple was what I know now as E or E flat major. Blue was A or A flat major, and green was the key of G or C major. I still see key signatures that way and I don't know why. Oh well! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:35:26 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Song publishing questions (njc) Dear Kate, I knew you'd come through with some good info! I read Tim Sweeney's book and I highly recommend it! This man knows what he is talking about! I also bookmarked the sites you suggested. Thanks again for the info! Sherelle In a message dated 12/11/2001 5:44:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:19:23 -0800 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: song publishing questions (njc) > > Anne & anyone else who is interested in this: > > Read up on the music biz before you approach publishers...here are 2 good > books- Donald Passman's All You Need to Know About the Music Business (he's > a lawyer) & Tim Sweeny's Guide to Releasing Independent Records (even if > that is not your goal...it will give you some basics about publishing & > other business stuff). > > Two really good websites with lots of resources are: > http://www.indie-music.com/ and http://www.musesmuse.com/ > > You can get your cd reviewed at both of these sites as well! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:54:51 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: No Chattering - NJC How about strips of duct tape when entering the venue for people who can't keep their mouths shut during the show. Of course this would be voluntary. :-) I saw Glen Campbell last Friday night; two complementary tickets for losing a lot of money at a casino. Anyway, say what you will about Glen; but he can put a song over and is a hell of guitarist. (he did "Classical Gas" proving he's no slouch when it comes to picken the guitar) The casino is a floating boat and they gear the concerts around their cruises. The concert started at 8PM and the next cruise would be at 9:30PM. And for anyone wanting to go on the 9:30PM cruise they would have until 10:00PM to board. (clear as ink,right?) The last song he did by request happened to be my favorite: "Wichita Lineman " from his catalog. While he was singing a group of people started filing out and I became incensed. Clinching my teeth and cupping my hand around my mouth and in a very low voice I said: "Do you know how rude you are? You people have plenty of time to lose your money!! SIT DOWN!!!" My friend that was with me couldn't believe I said what I did. He told me that wasn't like me to YELL at someone like that. I told him I didn't give a &*#***... they needed to be called on it!!! Besides I wasn't yelling. (the jack we sneaked in helped me find my balls) But I didn't care.. rude is rude. That is something that has always enraged me when a performer is pouring their heart and soul into a song and people are talking etc. The height of rudeness! And I don't care if the person is well known or someone that isn't. I don't like it! (I secretly prayed that all those rude people that filed out early would lose every cent they brought with them) OH! IF THERE'S A GOD? Bree >A sit-down club with a strict >>no-chattering policy. > >>> >I'm curious as to how the club enforces this policy. Is there a sign out >front warning the audience not to talk and if so, is that sufficient to >keep everyone quiet during the performance? > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:50:33 -0800 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC I wrote: >and Mozart's immortal "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" >"Wally asked: >is that a mozart melody? Wrong, said Fred: > No, it isn't. According to The Book of World Famous Music by James J. Fund, > it first appeared without words as "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman" ("Shall I tell > you, Mother?") in Les Amusements d'une Heure et Demy by M. Bouin in Paris in > 1761. Mozart did compose 12 variations on the melody. Now I say: Yes, it is. Let's put the thread back in its original context. The question was: "which songs evoke the strongest childhood memories for you?" My "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" response was based on childhood recollections of my mother playing Mozart's "Theme and Variations K265" (1781 or 1782) on solo grand piano before tucking me into bed when I was four or five years old, while we were living in Ansbach, Germany. I still have the sheet music and the wondrous memories. I could've said, "Themes and Variations...etc," but I chose to use the "Twinkle Twinkle..." title to tap in to the universal familiarity and childhood innocense evoked. I never meant to suggest that Mozart wrote the lyrics, nor were there any lyrics to his composition when written. The title "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" did not become associated with the melody until a poem written by Brit sisters Jane and Ann Taylor called "Star," appeared in a book called _Rhymes for the Nursery_ in 1806 and became inextricably linked as lyrics to the melody, which was overwhelmingly attributed to Mozart at that time. Now, Fuld's book (not "Fund" btw) cited by Fred does espouse the conventional wisdom on the origin of the melody, but it's not by any means the definitive derivation explanation. Another authoritative sources (_Compleat Mozart: A Complete Guide to the Works of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart_, Zaslaw and Neal, editors, 1990) say the theme originated as a popular French air called "Les amours de Silvandre (Silvandre's Loves)" in 1761. I would love to hear "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman" played from _Les Amusements d'une Heure et Demy_ to see how closely it resembles Mozart's variations. Fred? - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:10:04 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Childhood memories I distinctly remember listening to 78 rpms- the only one which comes to mind is "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies" from the Nutcracker! Tho I know there were others. And below the turntable was the book- A Scarlett Pimpernel! After that, I have fond memories of singing "Stewball Was a Racehorse"- Peter Paul and Mary, with my Father! Can't believe he even liked it. First albums of my own were a compilation of the times- The Ventures, etc. Then Chubby Checker- The Twist, and Tommy Mottola, as well as Connie Francis ;-0 Sweet memories! Best, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Laura Nyro- New York Tendaberry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:17:50 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC Hey, Julius, no big whoop ... I knew you knew all that. I was responding to Wally, who asked: "Is that a Mozart melody?" to which I replied: "No, it isn't." Which is correct ... we may not know the melody's origin definitively, but we do know Mozart did not compose it. - -Fred In a message dated 12/11/01 11:56:17 PM, jrmills@pacbell.net writes: >I wrote: > >>and Mozart's immortal "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" > > > >>"Wally asked: > >>is that a mozart melody? > > > >Wrong, said Fred: > >> No, it isn't. According to The Book of World Famous Music by James J. > >Fund, > >> it first appeared without words as "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman" ("Shall >I > >tell > >> you, Mother?") in Les Amusements d'une Heure et Demy by M. Bouin in Paris > >in > >> 1761. Mozart did compose 12 variations on the melody. > > > >Now I say: > > > >Yes, it is. > > > >Let's put the thread back in its original context. The question was: "which > >songs evoke the strongest childhood memories for you?" My "Twinkle Twinkle > >Little Star" response was based on childhood recollections of my mother > >playing Mozart's "Theme and Variations K265" (1781 or 1782) on solo grand > >piano before tucking me into bed when I was four or five years old, while >we > >were living in Ansbach, Germany. I still have the sheet music and the > >wondrous memories. > > > >I could've said, "Themes and Variations...etc," but I chose to use the > >"Twinkle Twinkle..." title to tap in to the universal familiarity and > >childhood innocense evoked. I never meant to suggest that Mozart wrote >the > >lyrics, nor were there any lyrics to his composition when written. The > >title "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star" did not become associated with the > >melody until a poem written by Brit sisters Jane and Ann Taylor called > >"Star," appeared in a book called _Rhymes for the Nursery_ in 1806 and > >became inextricably linked as lyrics to the melody, which was overwhelmingly > >attributed to Mozart at that time. > > > >Now, Fuld's book (not "Fund" btw) cited by Fred does espouse the > >conventional wisdom on the origin of the melody, but it's not by any means > >the definitive derivation explanation. Another authoritative sources > >(_Compleat Mozart: A Complete Guide to the Works of Wolfgang Amadeus > >Mozart_, Zaslaw and Neal, editors, 1990) say the theme originated as a > >popular French air called "Les amours de Silvandre (Silvandre's Loves)" >in > >1761. > > > >I would love to hear "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman" played from _Les Amusements > >d'une Heure et Demy_ to see how closely it resembles Mozart's variations. > >Fred? > > > >-Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:36:13 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois >"Kakki" wrote: >It must have been a sign this morning on KCRW when I heard Joni's gorgeous >singing on Brian Blade's song "Steadfast" from his album "Perceptual." I recently got "Perceptual" and I've been listening to it constantly ... love it. I like Joni on "Steadfast" except she uses too much "jazz vibrato" at the end of long notes. That's a complaint I have with her standards and jazz singing, or anyone's for that matter. But it's an accepted practice, so it's my problem. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 01:47:49 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, I would imagine it would sound fairly close since Mozart's work is titled 12 Variations on "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman," K.265/300e - -Fred jrmills@pacbell.net wrote: >>I would love to hear "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman" played from _Les Amusements >>d'une Heure et Demy_ to see how closely it resembles Mozart's variations. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:51:48 -0800 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC That's cool, Fred. I'm just clarifying that my childhood memories are based on Mozart's "Themes and Variations K265," in response to the original question. I'd really like to hear that "original melody" for myself though before accepting the correctness of the book writers. - -Julius > Hey, Julius, no big whoop ... I knew you knew all that. I was responding to > Wally, who asked: "Is that a Mozart melody?" to which I replied: "No, it > isn't." Which is correct ... we may not know the melody's origin > definitively, but we do know Mozart did not compose it. > > -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:56:34 -0800 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC Thanks, Fred. My sheet music didn't mention the "Ah! Vous..." connection. - -Julius > Unless I'm misunderstanding your question, I would imagine it would sound > fairly close since Mozart's work is titled 12 Variations on "Ah! Vous > Dirai-Je, Maman," K.265/300e > > -Fred ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #588 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?