From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #587 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, December 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 587 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: December 11 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: December 11 [les@jmdl.com] Re: childhood memories NJC [colin ] RE: amazing njc ["Ron Greer" ] oops- childhood memories NJC [colin ] Re: no one is really sure/east texas njc ["Ron Greer" ] Re: amazing njc [colin ] Newbie ["Tom Watson" ] Re: childhood memories NJC [Kammass@aol.com] Why Dog East Dog is a Dog ["Laurent Olszer" ] Joni's bio & others [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog [colin ] Grammy Lifetime Award [Jennymac48@aol.com] Re: PJ...PU! NJC [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: childhood memories NJC [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Why Dog Eat Dog is a Dog [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Why Dog Eat Dog is a Dog [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Karen & Richard...& Petula too! -NJC [Wtking59@cs.com] ethical dilemma NJC [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: ethical dilemma NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Karen & Richard...& Petula too! -NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #586 ["owen.duff" ] Re: CD Burning Software Inquiry NJC ["Brenda" ] Re: childhood memories NJC ["Mike Hicks" ] bookstores NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #586 [Nuriel Tobias ] song publishing questions (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Laura Nyro Biography -NJC [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: You all are great!(NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] re: Amazing NJC [pyramus@lineone.net] re: Bach/Costello NJC [pyramus@lineone.net] re: Hidden tracks NJC [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: childhood memories NJC [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Kenny G. NJC [pyramus@lineone.net] FW: Quotations from women about women (njc) [jan gyn ] Alicia Keys and Garbage on Leno njc [Randy Remote ] Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois ["Kakki" ] Re: Laura Nyro Biography -NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: childhood memories NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: childhood memories NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: childhood memories NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] NJC Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: childhood memories NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: childhood memories NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: childhood memories NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Grammy Lifetime Award [Mags N Brei ] Re: Grammy Lifetime Award [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: song publishing questions (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Amazing NJC [colin ] scary childhood memories NJC [colin ] Re: No Chattering - NJC [colin ] Re: RE: Covers NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Jonifest Scholarship Fund [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:01:42 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: December 11 On December 11 in Joni Mitchell History: 1996: The National Academy of Songwriters awards Joni a Lifetime Achievement Award. And Joni receives the following awards from BMI: 1 Million Performance Certificate for "Big Yellow Taxi" 1 Million Performance Certificate for "Woodstock" 2 Million Performance Certificate for "Help Me" 4 Million Performance Certificate for "Both Sides Now" More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961212r.cfm - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 03:01:43 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 11 On December 11 these articles were published: 1976: "Mitchell Misses Her Own Mark" - Los Angeles Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/761211lat.cfm 1995: "Birthday Suite" - New Yorker (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/951211ny.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 654 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:38:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC Honey by Bobby Goldsboro. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:46:36 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: RE: amazing njc hi >>colin wrote >>here i have the most wonderful doctor in Elizabeth.<< ok - stretching the limits of coincidence here :-) when i was in the uk at heckfield in september last year, i met up with a psychiatrist/psychologist whose name was elizabeth. i never learned her second name - but she was originally from germany, and at that stage was living in belfast where she was on the staff of queens university. i spent two absolutely wonderful evening talking with her - she had an incredibly warm and compassionate way. if by any chance (really slim chance i know) she is the same women, i would count you as very fortunate to have hooked up with her!!! ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:50:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: oops- childhood memories NJC i misunderstood the qustion. obviously Honey is not a children's song, however it is the song iremembeer clearly from childhood, i rememeber clearly where i was when i first heard it-in Holland driving along in a car. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:55:19 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Re: no one is really sure/east texas njc hi sybil >>memories of shimmering hot summer days running barefoot with my cousins, the heavenly cool of the small movie theater in Gladewater, pop. 4000, drinking bottled Cokes with a bag of peanuts poured in.<< michelle shcked was brought up with mormon parents in gilmer. she did a couple of songs about the area, the previously mentioned "memories of east texas" (one of my all time favourite songs), "making the run to gladewater" - about people making the trip to gladewater to buy beer - gilmer was a mormon town, and was therefore a "dry", "the vfd" - a song about the volunteer fire department, and "yamboree queen" which was a reference to the "yam" festival apparently held in those areas. the first 3 songs are on "short sharp shocked" which included her biggest hit "anchorage". the yamboree queen track has never been officially released, but is available on a number of bootlegs. also - would you mind if i re-posted your message on the michelle shocked mailing list - im sure some of the folks would find the background interesting. thanks ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:58:44 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: amazing njc > she had an incredibly warm and compassionate way. this the only coincidence! Elizabeth is English, and a typical English rose type. used to be in the Navy. She is a GP. However, i am very fortunate to haev such a good dr. > > > if by any chance (really slim chance i know) she is the same women, i would count you as very fortunate to have hooked up with her!!! > > ron - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:25:28 +1100 From: "Tom Watson" Subject: Newbie Hi all I'm new to this list. Never knew it existed until a few days ago. Any kind souls that may be willing to trade copies of any of the JMDL CD Tree disks with me in Australia, please contact me off list. Thank you Regards Tom Watson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:21:49 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC Hi all, My son is 1 1/2 and I have loved buying kids music this year. Some of my childhood memories are: "This Land is Your Land", "Frere Jacques" sp?, and "The Wheels on the Bus". There are so many fun new ones out today. My favorites are one's like-Carly Simon singing Mother Goose, Dylan-singing "This Old Man" , Garcia and Grisman- "Not for Kids Only", and, of course, then there's Elmopalooza-with Shawn Colvin and others, singing classic Sesame Street songs. This was my topic just had to add my input! When is Joni gonna sing one? Or has she? Kammy np-Woody Guthrie's Grow Big Songs-"Wake up" (The best kids album ever!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:26:34 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog This is a recurring theme but I like DED so I can't help wondering why it's at the bottom of the Joni's favourite list. There are several reasons why this is the case, such as sampling experimentations (Hi Bob) and the like. There is another possible explanation which has nothing to do with the music and which seems most relevant to me: unlike other songs where the lyrics depict fiction, this album is about TRUTH. And, as you know, nobody likes facing the Truth, it's too hard! What do you think? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:29:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's bio & others Some comments and a quiz about Joni at the following url: http://www.canoe.ca/JamBooks/dec8_musicbios-sun.html Bob NP: "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire", Uniondale NY 2/20/76 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:11:14 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog > this album is about > TRUTH. no it is about Joni's idea of truth. i love this album. > > > And, as you know, nobody likes facing the Truth, it's too hard! > it is perhaps a too serious an album for many, but it isn't about TRUTH as you put it. (see above). TRUTH, and i assume you put it in capitals to mean abosulute truth, is not available to any of us. Just our ideas of it. Of course. most of our troubles in the world stem from people thinking they know the TRUTH when all they have is an idea. A lot of people have expressed their dislike of this album in terms of it's synth music and 80's sound and Dolby's production. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:42:21 EST From: Jennymac48@aol.com Subject: Grammy Lifetime Award In the LA Times: Joni with 4 others will recieve a Lifetime Achievement Award from Grammy this spring!!! Love Jenny Mac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 07:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: PJ...PU! NJC - --- CHRIS TREACY wrote: >[PJ] owes an awful lot to Patti > Smith, don't she? (Oh, there I go with the > comparing). Interestingly, she claims never to have heard Patti until after _Dry_ was released. She *does* sound a lot like Patti at points. It could just be a quirk that their vocal tones happen to resemble each other quite a bit...they're often quite different in songwriting styles. - --Michael NP: Lego, _Songs from the Boom Boom Room_ ===== ____________________________________________________ "Grab your ass and your purse." - --Me'Shell NdegeOcello, forthcoming Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:21:44 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC Gosh, I especially remember loving "When The Red Red Robin Goes Bob Bob Bobbing Along" but don't have a clue who sang it. Really wish I knew. It was a 45 rpm on colored vinyl, if I remember correctly. Occasionally it would get broken or warped, and my parents would always have to buy me another copy :-) Such wonderful memories. And I absolutely adored (still do actually) the 1965 -TV version of Rodgers & Hammerstein's "Cinderella" (with Lesley Ann Warren). I just had to see one that every year. One of the few memories I have of my Mother was watching it with her when it premiered (I was only 5 or 6), and then she died suddenly from cancer later that summer ('65). The soundtrack is (finally) now on CD by Sony, if I'm not mistaken. Another song I loved was "Sixteen Reasons" by Connie Stevens, a cute little song with a breathy, Marilyn Monroe-type vocal. Loved "Never, Never Land" and especially "I'm Flying" from "Peter Pan" too. I remember my Mom and Dad loved Brenda Lee (especially "Emotions" LP), Elvis Presley, Ray Charles, and Broadway show LP's like "The Fantastiks" (with Polly Bergen, I think). And the old Mitch Miller Show (sing along with Mitch :-)... And yes, I love Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth." Great, great 60's song. XXXOOO, Billy np---"Color Me Barbra" by Barbra Streisand (1966). Glossy, guilty pleasure---the final three songs of which ("C'est Si Bon," "Starting Here, Starting Now," and especially "Where Am I Going?") are sheer perfection! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:33:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Dog Eat Dog is a Dog <> Much of the TRUTH to which you refer deals with things which we're already too familiar with; materialism, hunger, politics and corruption. I don't think these songs were eye-openers for anyone. And obviously, as Joni fans we're not made uncomfortable by hearing her sing about unhappy subjects. She just did a better job of it on her other records, it feels too forced and cliche-ridden here. Stevie Wonder can write songs that make you feel emotional and compassionate about these same topics; Joni just comes off as being judgemental and crabby. There's some good stuff on DED to be sure, but it's a struggle to pull it up through the over-produced muck and heavy-handed writing. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this project soured Joni on the collaborative process and she'll never be willing to give up as much control on future works like she did on DED. Bob NP: Eric Clapton, "I Can't Hold Out" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:33:44 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Dog Eat Dog is a Dog <> Much of the TRUTH to which you refer deals with things which we're already too familiar with; materialism, hunger, politics and corruption. I don't think these songs were eye-openers for anyone. And obviously, as Joni fans we're not made uncomfortable by hearing her sing about unhappy subjects. She just did a better job of it on her other records, it feels too forced and cliche-ridden here. Stevie Wonder can write songs that make you feel emotional and compassionate about these same topics; Joni just comes off as being judgemental and crabby. There's some good stuff on DED to be sure, but it's a struggle to pull it up through the over-produced muck and heavy-handed writing. Unfortunately, I'm afraid this project soured Joni on the collaborative process and she'll never be willing to give up as much control on future works like she did on DED. Bob NP: Eric Clapton, "I Can't Hold Out" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:39:39 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Karen & Richard...& Petula too! -NJC Have you heard the news Wally--- Richard Carpenter's next 'victim' is Petula Clark (of all people). I know---shame on me... I just saw a news item online that stated they were working together, which I thought was kinda scary. Just think about it. Bob's "Sunset Boulevard" remake/sequal "Bel Air" with Petula reprising her role as Norma, Richard Carpenter as a sadistic Max...and Bob (of course) as Joe Gillis---perhaps saving the day this time out. ;-) On Q's list of singers, where the heck is Barbra Streisand? Over the last year or so I've really fallen in love with her early records from 1963 to 1967. I used to really 'dislike' her, but that's all changed. And considering her age (60 next April), she looks amazing. I'm convinced she's been pickled. ;-) But regarding poor Elton John... Saw him on "The View" last week (and again last night with Jay Leno) and thought he looked old, saggy, unkempt and bloated. And I'm sorry folks, but that hairpiece (or whatever it is) has got to go. Affectionately, Billy np---"You Know Me" by Jackie DeShannon ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2001 07:54:52 -0800 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: ethical dilemma NJC How about going to the local bookstore and explaining that you're buying the book there instead of on Amazon because you want to support them. Then mention that it's listed for $50 less and see if they can give you a break on the price. You don't have to be pushy, just ask sweetly. (Yes, this takes nerve, but all they can do is say no...) lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:13:24 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: ethical dilemma NJC <> This is a super idea...and you shouldn't feel sheepish about it as you're going to be helping the local shop out on a couple of fronts. Firstly, if they make the sale, they'll make a profit, you can bet on that. Secondly, you'll be doing them the favor of letting them know that the item is overpriced, and maybe if they adjust the price long-term they'll sell more copies and make MORE profits! All merchants want feedback. American culture is such that we feel guilty about negotiating, when it's an accepted practice around the world. While I wouldn't negotiate on every purchase I make, I do try and get reduced prices/better payment terms, and you'd be surprised at what you can achieve as long as you approach it with the objective of letting both parties find a win where no one is taking advantage. Having cash on hand is always a nice negotiating tool! Like Anne said, the worst that can happen is they'll say "no", and given our shaky times there's not a lot of merchants that will turn good business away, especially if the option is an Amazon! So there's no "ethical dilemma" at all...you're just being a good consumer! :~) Bob NP: William Clarke, "Gambling For My Bread" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:53:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Karen & Richard...& Petula too! -NJC good grief! the man is insatiable! well, petula will know how to handle ***r***. she's a scorpio. wallyK, praying for ms. clark's safety. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Wtking59@cs.com Enviado el: Martes, 11 de Diciembre de 2001 12:40 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org CC: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar Asunto: Karen & Richard...& Petula too! -NJC Have you heard the news Wally--- Richard Carpenter's next 'victim' is Petula Clark (of all people). np---"You Know Me" by Jackie DeShannon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:57:09 -0800 From: "Scott Hertzog verizon" Subject: RE: Why Dog East Dog is a Dog (SJC) Are you absolutely sure about that? Scott I like DED. That's the absolute truth ;) it. (see above). TRUTH, and i assume you put it in capitals to mean abosulute truth, is not available to any of us. Just our ideas of it. Of course. most of our troubles in the world stem from people thinking they know the TRUTH when all they have is an idea. A lot of people have expressed their dislike of this album in terms of it's synth music and 80's sound and Dolby's production. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 10:55:04 -0600 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: NJC Hey there you bee charming lemony woman you!! I've been wondering how you are doing. I told you - Tejano music will definitely turn you on to some accordian tunes. Good luck on your gigs and keep working on it. I'd like to hear some too so when you are in the mood call me and play them on the phone for me. Happy Holidays! Love Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:07 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #580 Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2001 18:29:11 -0600 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Dear Group: It is nice to be back. After much traveling, a bout with the flu, three trials and a ton of legal work, and moving past the date of my Sheila's death, I am looking at my e-mails once again. :) I am looking forward to the next Fest. :) Thank you all (and you know who you are) for your loving e-missives, phone calls...and the playing of your guitars and piano's over the phone. :) It was and is much appreciated. After reading Mike's post I have to say I personally believe Bach is another example of those composers who will never fade. I enjoy music which corresponds to the mood I am in at the moment. Just now I am completely absorbed (besides legal matters) in preparing for two musical events which will occur here at my home. I will be playing piano on two pieces and accordion on three. So I am playing lots of Liz Story "The Gift" because I am playing "The Bleak Midwinter" from that CD ....by the way she also has a songbook so I can actually see the notes. It is a challenge for me because I am such a novice...it has 5 flats on the treble and 5 on the base clef. And I am a putz on the piano. Needless to say I will not be playing with two other friends...both of whom are concert pianists. They will play AFTER I play. LOL Then there is the accordion...so Flaco Jimenez and the Texas Tornados (hey Wild Woman Binkley... LOL) provide me with some jumping music. On the accordion we are playing "Under Paris Skies", "May I Have This Dance", White Christmas" (which even this Jewish girl knows) and if I learn it..."Spanish Eyes" Flaco style. I am playing these pieces with friends on the 15th and the 22. I wanted to mention another wonderful jazz pianist. Her name is Mary Louise Knutson and she has her first CD out. My friend Phyllis, who is a wonderful pianist whom I will be playing with, studied with Knutson for a bit. I went with a friend to hear Knutson last Friday night and she is a treat. Well, I am going to enjoy a nice evening home alone this night...it will feel wonderful to sit back with my music...enjoy a wood fire, have a glass of wine and relax. Thank you all once again for your kindness and patience. :) Love and Peace.......the bee charmer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:58:21 -0000 From: "owen.duff" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #586 Hi folks, just thought Id let you know Ive posted a cover of A case of You to the files section in JoniMitchellFans at groups.yahoo.com. I recorded it live then put some reverb on it, let me know what you think, also Im a little unclear on the legalities of posting cover versions on the net so if anyone thinks I should remove it I will. Thanks, Owen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 08:58:49 -0800 From: "Brenda" Subject: Re: CD Burning Software Inquiry NJC On 10 Dec 2001, at 20:23, CHRIS TREACY wrote: > Can anyone make a good recommendation? Iomega? TDK? (I > know their 'velowriter' is a good machine, but I can't > find it available in an external model). He wanted to > go external so that the girlfriend wouldn't have the > headache of messing with the PC motherboard etc. Makes > sense. > > Any ideas gang? I highly recommend products by Plextor. I've owned a couple of different internal CD-R and CD-RW's and the Plextor one has far eclipsed the others in performance and durability. Here's their USB one http://www.plextor.com/english/products/8_8_24u.html B > NP: Mahogany Soul - Angie Stone Love it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:10:54 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC > From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:34:11 EST > Subject: childhood memories NJC > To: joni@smoe.org > Reply-to: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com > which songs evoke the strongest childhood memories for you? I'm talking very > young here. My sister is expecting a baby soon and it's got me thinking > about songs for little kids. Fred was kind enough to give me advice on CDs. > What do you remember from early childhood? The Everly Brothers "Wake Up Little Suzie" Ricky Nelson "Hello Mary Lou" Elvis Presley "Jailhouse Rock", the rockingest song I'd ever heard at that point. "Oh Shennandoah" don't know the artist, was sung in elementary chorus class. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:17:34 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: bookstores NJC RE: I have a problem. I saw a beautiful book for 175.00 at an independent bookstore, Franz Bader in DC, which specializes on books on art. Amazon has the book for 50.00 cheaper. I plan to buy it at Franz Bader though, since I never would have seen it otherwise. And I want to support a high-quality independent bookstore with a great selection. Am I being stupid? You don't have a problem! Independant bookstores should always be supported. I regularly drive to Hyde Park here in Chicago to shop at the Seminary Coop Bookstore and 57th St. Books (it helps that they're the best bookstores in the city). I have always appreciated independant booksellers, glad to hear that others do as well. Tyler who used to shop at Border's in Ann Arbor back when it was an independant bookstore Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:22:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #586 Hi owen. Would you be as kind as to give us a link to the cover? I realy want to hear it. Thanks. Nuriel - --- "owen.duff" wrote: >Hi folks, just thought Id let you know Ive posted a cover of A case of You >to the files section in JoniMitchellFans at groups.yahoo.com. I recorded it >live then put some reverb on it, let me know what you think, also Im a >little unclear on the legalities of posting cover versions on the net so if >anyone thinks I should remove it I will. Thanks, >Owen _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 09:19:23 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: song publishing questions (njc) Anne & anyone else who is interested in this: Read up on the music biz before you approach publishers...here are 2 good books- Donald Passman's All You Need to Know About the Music Business (he's a lawyer) & Tim Sweeny's Guide to Releasing Independent Records (even if that is not your goal...it will give you some basics about publishing & other business stuff). Two really good websites with lots of resources are: http://www.indie-music.com/ and http://www.musesmuse.com/ You can get your cd reviewed at both of these sites as well! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:08:46 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Laura Nyro Biography -NJC I've just remembered some news I meant to pass along earlier. I recently received news that the upcoming Laura Nyro biography by Michele Kort entitled "Soul Picnic: The Music And Passion Of Laura Nyro" will finally be released next April. Amazon.com is already taking pre-orders. Also, I believe a new CD release is due around the same time. XXXOOO, Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 14:40:09 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: You all are great!(NJC) In a message dated 12/10/2001 11:53:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: > I feel so lucky to be a member of this forum.everyone here is so > intelligent,caring,articulate,funny...this really is a great discussion > group... > No argument here, Relayer. I think this is an exceptional group of people. Why don't you come to Jonifest and meet us all, since you like us so much? :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:49:55 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: re: Amazing NJC Glad to hear the drugs are working Colin. I thought you were getting hallucinatory side effects after your posting about a skateboarding poodle. :) ~Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:08:03 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: re: Bach/Costello NJC Hey, Big Walt. Sorry if I missed your reply but what was the answer to the Bach/Costello album connection with Joni? ~Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:18:59 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: re: Hidden tracks NJC I think hidden tracks are o.k. if the song is worthwhile. A lot of them seem to be pants though. I have the CD 'Extra Virgin' by the British group Olive. The special edition has a free remix CD of the album and an extra hidden track. Great value. ~Kevin N.P. Olive - You're not alone ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:24:21 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC Oh, I loved the songs from "Sleeping Beauty" when I was a kid. Last week in the car, my sister and I (now 22 and 26) broke into a spontaneous rendition of "I Wonder" and were astounded that we both remembered it word for word. Disney don't make 'em like that anymore. Some that really struck me in my childhood were: Mama Mama (Judy Collins) I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing (from the coke commercial) Morning Morgantown Wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald (Lightfoot) Song For David (this one still makes me tear up)(Judy Collins) Its interesting to think about this... Reuben Mark wrote... > For me it was 'Hail to the Princess Aurora'. 'Sleeping Beauty' is the > first movie I remember seeing. I had a bunch of little gold 78s with > songs from that movie. 'Once Upon A Dream', > 'I Wonder' - I knew all the words to evey song. Didn't know the music > was adapted from Tchaikovsky, however. > > > > Others: > > > > Over The Rainbow > > Of course that one. I watched 'The Wizard of Oz' every year without > fail. 'Peter Pan' too! > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:27:45 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Kenny G. NJC Mack wrote: <> Our local Indian restaurant have the anodyne Kenny G on a tape loop. I wish I hadn't read your comments now Mack. lol :) ~ Kevin N.P. Olive - Safer Hands ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:54:22 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: FW: Quotations from women about women (njc) > Quotations from women about women: > > Inside every older person is a younger person - wondering what the hell > happened. > > The hardest years in life are those between ten and seventy. > -Helen Hayes (at 73) - > > I refuse to think of them as chin hairs. I think of them as stray eyebrows. > -Janette Barber- > > Whoever thought up the word "Mammogram"? Every time I hear it, I think I'm > supposed to put my breast in an envelope and send it to someone. > -Jan King- > > A few weeks after my surgery, I went out to play catch with my golden > retriever. When I bent over to pick up the ball, my prosthesis fell out. > The dog snatched it, and I found myself chasing him down the road yelling > "Hey, come back here with my breast!" > -Linda Ellerbee- > > Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse. > -Lily Tomlin- > > You know the hardest thing about having cerebral palsy and being a woman? > It's plucking your eyebrows. That's how I originally got pierced ears. > -Geri Jewell- > > A male gynecologist is like an auto mechanic who never owned a car. > -Carrie Snow- > > Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and you cry with your girlfriends. > -Laurie Kuslansky- > > My second favorite household chore is ironing. My first being hitting my > head on the top bunk bed until I faint. > -Erma Bombeck- > > Old age ain't no place for sissies. > -Bette Davis- > > A man's got to do what a man's got to do. A woman must do what he can't. > -Rhonda Hansome- > > The phrase "working mother" is redundant. > -Jane Sellman- > > Every time I close the door on reality it comes in through the windows. > -Jennifer Unlimited- > > Whatever women must do they must do twice as well as men to be thought half > as good. Luckily, this is not difficult. > -Charlotte Whitton- > > Thirty-five is when you finally get your head together and your body starts > falling apart. > -Caryn Leschen- > > I try to take one day at a time, but sometimes several days attack me at > once. > -Jennifer Unlimited- > > If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible > warning. > -Catherine Aird- > > When I was young, I was put in a school for retarded kids for two years > before they realized I actually had a hearing loss. And they called ME slow! > -Kathy Buckley- > > I'm not offended by all the dumb blonde jokes because I know I'm not dumb . > . and I'm also not blonde. > -Dolly Parton- > > You see a lot of smart guys with dumb women, but you hardly ever see a smart > woman with a dumb guy. > -Erica Jong- > > If high heels were so wonderful, men would still be wearing them. > -Sue Grafton- > > I'm not going to vacuum 'til Sears makes one you can ride on. > -Roseanne Barr- > > I think---therefore I'm single. > -Lizz Winstead- > > When women are depressed they either eat or go shopping. Men invade another > country. > -Elayne Boosler- > > Behind every successful man is a surprised woman. > -Maryon Pearson > > In politics, if you want anything said, ask a man--if you want anything > done, ask a woman. > -Margaret Thatcher- > > I have yet to hear a man ask for advice on how to combine marriage and a > career. > -Gloria Steinem- > > I never married, because there was no need. I have three pets at home which > answer the same purpose as a husband. I have a dog that growls every > morning, a parrot that swears all afternoon, and a cat that comes home late > every night. > -Marie Corelli- > > If men can run the world, why can't they stop wearing neckties? How > intelligent is it to start the day by tying a noose around your neck? > -Linda Ellerbee- > > I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house. > -Zsa Zsa Gabor- > > Nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. > -Eleanor Roosevelt- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 12:58:26 -0800 From: "brian symes" Subject: childhoodsongs NJC I think I am starting out right with Amelia all most Three, I got her to sing part's of River with me traveling down the road. Having her singing "I made my baby cry, I made my baby say goodbye." made me cry with happy tears. I am losing my free email address here at about.com and am changing over to briansymes@mail.com while I test out this I will be on Jonionly. NP Piazzolla w/Cecile Daroux,Flute et Pablo Marquez,Guitare Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:19:03 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Alicia Keys and Garbage on Leno njc Alicia Keys tonight Garbage tomorrow night ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:11:43 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois It must have been a sign this morning on KCRW when I heard Joni's gorgeous singing on Brian Blade's song "Steadfast" from his album "Perceptual." I've never heard it played on the radio before. Awhile later I checked out this week's music listings and saw that Brian Blade and Daniel Lanois will performing at Largo in L.A. tonight and tomorrow night! This should be incredible. I'm not sure which night I'll make but if any of the L.A. gang want to meet up, please let me know. The line up outside the door usually starts around 8 p.m. Here is the address. Kakki LARGO, 432 N. Fairfax Ave. A sit-down club with a strict no-chattering policy. Cover $12-$2. Full bar. All ages. (323) 852-1073 or 852-1851. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:14:42 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Laura Nyro Biography -NJC Wowee, thanks for the info Billy! I will be ordering posthaste! Kakki > I recently received news that the upcoming Laura Nyro biography by Michele Kort entitled "Soul Picnic: The Music And Passion Of Laura Nyro" will finally be released next April. > Amazon.com is already taking pre-orders. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:24:14 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC I liked that record Colin and caught a lot of flak for it. I liked Bobby Goldsboro. The flipside of that record was Autumn of my Life. I liked it too, more than honey. As a matter of fact, I still have the 45, and it still plays. mack Honey by Bobby Goldsboro. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:31:10 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: No Chattering - NJC At 01:11 PM 12/11/2001 -0800, Kakki wrote: >Brian Blade and Daniel Lanois will >performing at Largo in L.A. tonight and tomorrow night! >LARGO, 432 N. Fairfax Ave. A sit-down club with a strict no-chattering >policy. Hi Kakki, I'm curious as to how the club enforces this policy. Is there a sign out front warning the audience not to talk and if so, is that sufficient to keep everyone quiet during the performance? FWIW I wish more venues would impose similar policies! Scott ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:29:03 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC Billy wrote: > > np---"Color Me Barbra" by Barbra Streisand (1966). Glossy, guilty > pleasure---the final three songs of which ("C'est Si Bon," "Starting Here, > Starting Now," and especially "Where Am I Going?") are sheer perfection! I will second that. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:33:02 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Kenny G. NJC Sorry Kevin. mack > Our local Indian restaurant have the anodyne Kenny G on a tape loop. I wish I hadn't read your comments now Mack. lol :) > > ~ Kevin > > N.P. Olive - Safer Hands ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 16:57:24 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC In a message dated 12/11/01 4:29:12 PM, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: << The flipside of that record was Autumn of my Life. >> Good Lord, Mack. I haven't thought of that song in years, yet ALL the lyrics just popped into my head. "In the spring of my life She came to me She brought sunshine where winter winds had blown Then I took her for my wife In the spring of my life And she brought me a joy I'd never known" And then the poor thing drops dead in the end, just like Honey! Maybe Bobby Goldsboro would have had more of a career if he had laid off the macabre stuff. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:00:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Heads up L.A. - Blade/Lanois <> Very cool that you heard "Steadfast" on the radio, Kakki...such a haunting piece of music. Brian Blade has created a specific 'sound' which is even more noteworthy considering that he's a drummer! I've picked up both of his records and give them both two thumbs up. Lanois of course is awesome as well. That show should be something special! Bob NP: The Clash, "Tommy Gun" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:04:36 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC <> Don't forget "Watching Scotty Grow", in which Bobby HIMSELF assumes room temperature! Bobby Goldsboro - shudder to think! At least he didn't burden us with a version of BSN! Can you imagine... "I've looked at death from both sides now..." :~D Bob NP: The Clash, "Julie's Been Working For The Drug Squad" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:05:33 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC In a message dated 12/10/01 9:35:26 PM, TimandMaryPowers@aol.com writes: << which songs evoke the strongest childhood memories for you? >> "Chain Gang," "Fancy," and "Sixteen Tons" ("I was born one morning when the sun didn't shine, I picked up my shovel and I walked to the mine"). I will never forget how much Mama sounded like Tennessee Ernie Ford and she tried to rock her wide-eyed and terrified baby to sleep. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 17:58:29 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: childhood memories NJC "J. R. Mills" wrote: >and Mozart's immortal "Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star" and "Wally Kairuz" asked: >is that a mozart melody? No, it isn't. According to The Book of World Famous Music by James J. Fund, it first appeared without words as "Ah! Vous Dirai-Je, Maman" ("Shall I tell you, Mother?") in Les Amusements d'une Heure et Demy by M. Bouin in Paris in 1761. Mozart did compose 12 variations on the melody. It is, however, one of my daughter's favorite songs, in all its forms (Twinkle Twinkle, ABCD, Baa-Baa Black Sheep). - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:02:52 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: Grammy Lifetime Award Brei--- Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > In the LA Times: Joni with 4 others will recieve a Lifetime > Achievement Award > from Grammy this spring!!! According to USA Today: "Bandleader/pianist Count Basie, vocalists Perry Como and Rosemary Clooney, soul singer Al Green and singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell will be honored with the 2002 Lifetime Achievement Awards at the 44th annual Grammy Awards, the Recording Academy will announce today. Producer/phycisist Tom Dowd and deejay Alan Freed will receive the Recording Academy's Trustees Awards. The Grammys will air live from Los Angeles Feb. 27 on CBS." Way to go Joni!!!!!! Happy Hanukkah everyone Brei np: a quiet office ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 15:15:54 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: Grammy Lifetime Award From the NARAS press release: Five time GRAMMY Award-winner Joni Mitchell is one of the finest singers/songwriters of her generation. Born in Fort Macleod, Alberta, Canada, Mitchell emerged from New York's folk circuit in 1967 and became known for her deeply personal songs and engaging performances. That same year she signed with Reprise and her first, self-titled album  co-produced by David Crosby  was released shortly after. An innovative and experimental artist, Mitchell's music has evolved from its early folk roots to embrace pop, rock, jazz, and multi-cultural world music, resulting in a creative legacy which has paved the way for countless contemporary performers. In addition to being a remarkable songwriter and recording artist, with hits like "Both Sides Now," "Help Me," "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Woodstock," Mitchell also has produced or co-produced all of her albums since her debut and even created the artwork for each of her album covers. Her album Blue was inducted into the GRAMMY Hall of Fame in 1999. - --Michael NP: Jill Scott, _Experience_ ===== ____________________________________________________ "Grab your ass and your purse." - --Me'Shell NdegeOcello, forthcoming Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:21:37 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: song publishing questions (njc) Anne, On the one hand, it's obvious that if you don't try, it's definitely impossible. On the other hand, my own extensive experience concurs with David's advice, even though I've had more luck than some. Good luck to you. - -Fred Simon Dflahm@aol.com wrote: >Now for my own cheerless outlook: >Seeking out a publisher at this time would be, imo, premature. The reason >is that you can offer them only the songs, no guaranteed way of making money. >If you could walk into a publisher's office and say "I've just signed a >deal to write six songs for the new Bette Midler movie," then they could see >the mechanism whereby the money would be generated for them. >It's the same business philosophy that makes a label reluctant to sign >a new act until the act has proven that it has a following who will spend bucks. > >The music business is cruel; it reminds me of the Biblical parable of the >talents, where the third servant says to the returning lord, "Master, I >know you are a hard man; that you reap where you have not sown." >To reap where they have not sown is what almost every suit in the music >business devotes his/her career to. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:41:17 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Amazing NJC pyramus@lineone.net wrote: > Glad to hear the drugs are working Colin. I thought you were getting hallucinatory side effects after your posting about a skateboarding poodle. :) no that was BEFORE the drugs! But that is what it looks like! > > > ~Kevin - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:43:15 +0000 From: colin Subject: scary childhood memories NJC there was a song called The Laughing Policeman and of course there was this laugh on it. It scared me stupid, i hated that song. My parents would play it because they found my terror and tears and amusing. I was about 4 i think. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 23:45:11 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: No Chattering - NJC > I'm curious as to how the club enforces this policy. Is there a sign out > front warning the audience not to talk and if so, is that sufficient to > keep everyone quiet during the performance? no! at least not at the cinema where people just seem to go for a chat. Mind you, no one said a word druing Harry Potter. oh and no children at all were there. Only us adult children. > > > FWIW I wish more venues would impose similar policies! > > Scott - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 19:58:42 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Covers NJC In a message dated 12/10/01 6:02:45 AM, ink08@hotmail.com writes: >Mike said > >>>Many people would name [Beethoven] as an important composer or as their >favourite composer without knowing much more than the opening motif (is >it sacrilegious to say 'riff' here?) of the 5th symphony, or 'Nessun Dorma'<< > > >Fred replied > >>>Or even without knowing that "Nessun Dorma" was composed by Puccini! >(insert your favorite emoticon here)<< > > >Mike now says > >Yes, Puccini composed Nessun Dorma, not Beethoven. While writing the mail >I couldn't recall the composer (Verdi? Puccini?) so I included the name >of the singer of the most 'popular' version, i.e Pavarroti, not meaning >to suggest that it was a Beethoven piece. Sorry if I gave this impression. I was just funnin' yah, Mike. I knew you knew, but was just poking fun at the sentence structure ("Many people would name [Beethoven] ... as their favourite composer without knowing much more than ... 'Nessun Dorma'). Sorry, my bad. >Fred said > >>>However, I think he does have soul, his own version of it at least (everyone >does), and I think he's sincere. This goes a long way to explain his popularity.<< > > >Mike now says > >Here we differ. If he has soul, it is different to what I understand it >to mean. I do not doubt his sincerity. What I meant was, everyone has soul, but their soul may not have something meaningful to express in an artistic way to the more intelligent, sophisticated listener. >Mike said > >>>I love Miles Davis and happily accept that there are other, better players >than Miles but he does it for me.<< > > >Fred said > >>>There *aren't* better players than Miles ... there are those who may >play faster or higher, but no one, on *any* instrument, plays *music* better >than Miles. Of course, many musicians play music equally as well as Miles, >but none better.<< > > >Mike now says > >My remarks about being a non-musician apply here too. I have heard many >people say that Miles is an all-time great as an innovator, bandleader, >and trumpeter etcetera but did not possess the best technique (that word >again). He had all the technique he needed to say what he had to say, and that's all the technique anyone ever needs. >I am happy to accept this but for me Miles usually hits all the >right notes. Whatever people say against him doesn't affect how I feel >about Miles. Could you clarify one thing Fred, please? When you say "no >one, on *any* instrument, plays *music* better than Miles" do you say this >because Miles was the greatest musician or because comparisons are unhelpful, >invalid, or just plain stupid? What I really said was in the next sentence after that: "Of course, many musicians play music equally as well as Miles, but none better." What I mean is not that Miles was *the* greatest musician, or that comparisons are invalid (sometimes they are, sometimes not), but that when someone plays music as well as Miles, there is no hierarchy ... Miles, Coltrane, Joni, Wayne, Herbie, Jarrett, The Beatles, Jimi, Aretha, and many more, all make music equally well, that is, as well as is possible. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 20:19:23 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Scholarship Fund Please remember that if you need financial help getting to Jonifest this year, you need to fill out the scholarship request form as soon as possible. There is quite a bit of money already collected, so please don't be timid about asking for help if you need it. The entire scholarship program is completely confidential, and the requests are kept strictly between that person and myself. So, if it's possible for you to get to Full Moon, but you need a bit of help paying for the Fest, GO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!! :-) Many, many thanks to all the very generous donations so far!!! 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