From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #582 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 9 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 582 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: December 8 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: December 8 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Covering NJC (long) ["Marian" ] Re: Erika Luckett (njc) -- keeping on the lyric-writing theme... [Richard] Re: bedrooms and politics NJC [colin ] it's all political NJC [colin ] Re: Covers #24 - Time is running out! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] re: beds at JoniFest 2002 [anne@sandstrom.com] skateboarding poodle NJC [colin ] Music...(non Joni) [Nuriel Tobias ] re: beds at JoniFest 2002 [Mags N Brei ] good ol' Murph NJC ["Norma" ] Re: Subject: Re: Salvation Army Bans Gays [njc] ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Music...(non Joni) [Monafitz@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: NJC Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds [Michael Paz ] Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds [Michael Paz ] Re: ENDA (njc) ["mack watson-bush" ] clive davis njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: bedrooms and politics NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: Music...(non Joni)njc [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Covers #24 - Time is running out! [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Music...(non Joni) [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Covers #24 - Time is running out! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds ["Wally Kairuz" ] Quote on Ab Fab ["William Waddell" ] december 8 njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 03:12:30 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: December 8 On December 8 these articles were published: 1996: "Both Sides, Later" - Los Angeles Times (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961208lat.cfm 1996: "Why Joni Mitchell has to find the little she gave away" - The Mail (Reunion Story) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/961208tm.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 652 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 03:12:30 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: December 8 On December 8 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: Joni ends her "tour" with the Rolling Thunder Revue today at Madison Square Garden in New York City. She performs four new songs during the five-hour concert. "Well, it looks like I'm here to fight someone tonight", she said, "I never knew that Bob Dylan was this big." - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:17:32 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Covering NJC (long) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 13:20:32 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Covering NJC (long) First of all, Mike, I enjoyed reading your thoughts about writing vs. literature and how things become/are valued in that world. Mike said >>To try and tie in Fred and Marian's arguments I would agree with both of them up to a point....<< >> Marian, Kenny G may be able to play better now than when he was younger and may be putting more effort and 'art' into his playing and that effort does have value, but for me he is objectively and subjectively inferior to Wayne Shorter, Jan Garbarek and Courtney Pine to talk of only three current soprano players. << And I feel like you miss the point if you try to put our arguments together, because we are talking about different things. Fred is talking about determining excellence by comparing the artistic products of one musician to those of another or others, which is what you also seem to be talking about in your comments about Wayne Shorter vs. Kenny G. I have never heard Kenny G. play and I would probably agree with you that Wayne Shorter plays better than him and most other people for that matter, but I don't like going there. I feel there is something inherently bad/wrong in making these kinds of comparisons/judgments. As a mom, I make a big effort not to compare one child with another. I try to be supportive of all of their creative and other efforts at learning and growing. In my view, in an ideal world, we would all approach each other in this manner. We would all urge/encourage each other to find and express what is inside. It is my view that criticizing others is a way of avoiding exploring one's own creative urges/abilities. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 00:51:33 -0800 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Erika Luckett (njc) -- keeping on the lyric-writing theme... I was there too. Erika is wonderful, I agree. I'd seen her once before, also with Garrin, at a different venue and loved her. She and Garrin, both, are featured artists in January's "Viva Variety XXII", Walt, in case you didn't know. http://www.makeitsoproductions.org/curpro.html, it will be a great night! What Walt didn't tell you . . .is he left at 'intermission' and . . .afterwards, in 'part 2', there were a couple of special guests: Deborah Pardes, who also records on the same label as Kathryn Chase and is amazing: she's been on West Coast Live radioshow a bunch of times. And Michael Rodriguez, who engineered Garrin (and Boz Scaggs latest) CD, and is a pianist in his own right, played an acoustic piece for us, a la George Winston. And a friend of Garrin's, Jason Durant, read an amazing poem, about the beat poet/radical faerie/friend, Haia Ted Berk, who is in hospital. What a beautiful poem. It truly was a great evening. Richard in San Franicisco - n.p. Deborah Pardes "blessing" - ------- On 12/8/01, JMDL Digest wrote: > >Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2001 19:51:06 EST >From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com >Subject: Erika Luckett (njc) -- keeping on the lyric-writing theme... > >Yo, Gang, > >I had the good luck to be at the Bazaar Cafe two nights ago (Wednesday -- it >was miserably drizzly, nothing unusual in SF), and saw, besides the wonderful >Garrin Benfield, who MCs and sings wonderfully, Catherine Chase and Erika >Luckett. Catherine sounds like a young Joan Baez to me and I liked her >enough to buy her CD, but !!!Erika Lucket is an amazing find!!! Any of you >coffeehouse-cabaret circuit musicians know her? She's amazing! Her lyrics >are all good, some funny, many musing, and some searing -- check this out, >from "Lulu" on her second album (My Little Crime): > >Five o'clock in the morning and >I don't know where you are. My >hand stretches over dampened >sheets to find the lengthy ridge of >a scar that doesn't fade, a wound >that does not heal. The absence of >your breathing is like an ocean >without waves -- an ocean where >the tides have stopped, lost the >pulse of an internal clock. >That's me without you. >That's me without you. > >That's just the first verse, and the other two are just as devastating (to >me, at least). Oh, and her voice! -- I'm going crazy trying to remember the >name of a singer (one of the multitude who has been compared to Joni over the >years -- so unfair -- no one can be Joni, and I'm often mystified even when I >end up liking the artist) who had an album called "Porcelain". I had the >album and loved it, but I just cannot remember her name. Anyway, Erika's >voice reminds me of this artist's. Smooth, maleable, adjusting perfectly to >each lyric... > >Can you tell I like Erika? If you like intelligent but ?struggling artists, >check out her website: > >I'm musically smitten, and believe me, it doesn't happen every day. > >warm wishes to everyone, > >walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:07:31 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: bedrooms and politics NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > magsulah, > same thing came to my mind here! it looks like we're still bro and sis. > the personal is political it can't be anything else. everything we do has political ramifications. like shopping for example. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 10:13:53 +0000 From: colin Subject: it's all political NJC everything we choose to do is political in anture. from who we sleep with to how we shop and where we shop and what we buy, to how we choose to live and where, to how we wroship or not, to what we wear etc etc for example-choosing to buy and wear Levi's and Nikes is saying we support slave labour or buying from countries with bad human rights records, or where stuff is made or farmed by children, or buying factory farmed meat products. they all have politcla ramifications. how we live also does. Living a non main stream lifestyle is a subversive act(one reason why gays are feared so much). This list goes on and on because NOTHING we can do is without it's wider inpkications. It is not dependant on whether we 'hide' or not. the mere act of hiding is politcial in it's self. the personal is politcal. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:41:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #24 - Time is running out! Billy slipped this guess in yesterday... > "The Dawntreader" from "Song To A Seagull." And what do you know...it was a winner!! The song on my brain was "Cactus Tree", the version from her debut. So Billy, just send me your address and a free copy of Covers #24 will be heading your way. Thanks to all who gave it a shot...if you want a copy of this gem, let me know, I'm ready to copy it for anyone for blanks & postage, etc. Stay tuned for more covers giveaways...plenty more where that came from! :~) Bob NP: Kay Ashley, "Missing In Me" ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2001 07:21:50 -0800 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: re: beds at JoniFest 2002 Rose wrote: I'll admit there where times I wanted to kill her. (just kidding Ali, you know I love ya :) Gee, Rose, would this have anything to do with driving around looking for a particular church? :-) (When I want a chuckle, I remember looking in my rear view mirror at you following us. You were, um, most perturbed!) As for sharing rooms, I'm probably one of the most private people I know when it comes to living situations. (I forked over a whole bunch of money to have a private room in the hospital.) BUT, I'm really excited about sharing a room at JoniFest. For "newbies" all I can say is, you'll feel like you're truly home. And you'll be amazed at how after about five minutes you'll feel like you've known everyone your whole life. And, Ashara, if I signed up for Saturday night, Friday night's fine too. I just kind of picked one...And, a huge THANK YOU for pulling this all together!!! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:48:30 +0000 From: colin Subject: skateboarding poodle NJC Soon after moving here, I noticed a large 'emblem' of a standard poodle is show clip on a skateboard, all in blue, on the side of a building. Today as we drove passed I pointed it out to John and said I thought it was odd. He pointed out that in fact it is a Buffalo with a latin script underneath and is the emblem of the Royal Antedeluvian Order of Buffaloes!!!!!! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 08:15:26 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Music...(non Joni) Hi dear people, Just thought I'd post this, see what everyone else is listening to these days. Love to know. Yours, Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:26:38 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: re: beds at JoniFest 2002 - --- anne@sandstrom.com wrote: > > <<< For "newbies" all I can say > is, you'll feel like you're truly home. And you'll be amazed at how > after about five minutes you'll feel like you've known everyone your > whole life. > > And, Ashara, if I signed up for Saturday night, Friday night's fine > too. I just kind of picked one...And, a huge THANK YOU for pulling > this all together!!!>>> I have to join in here and say a very warm thank you to Ashara for all that you are doing...amazes me.. where DO you find the energy??? Brei and I look forward to our role as ambassadors again and as we always say ... welcome home... the Fest is a truly special magical place where life long friendships have been formed and continue to form. And it IS a good thing ;-) Mags, looking forward. always. > > lots of love > Anne ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:48:44 -0700 From: "Norma" Subject: good ol' Murph NJC Murphy's Technology Laws Murphy's Technology Laws Murphy's Technology Law #1: You can never tell which way the train went by looking at the track. Murphy's Technology Law #2: Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence. Murphy's Technology Law #3: Technology is dominated by those who manage what they do not understand. Murphy's Technology Law #4: If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization. Murphy's Technology Law #5: An expert is one who knows more and more about less and less until he/she knows absolutely everything about nothing. Murphy's Technology Law #6: Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe, and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it, and he'll have to touch to be sure. Murphy's Technology Law #7: All great discoveries are made by mistake. Murphy's Technology Law #8: Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. Murphy's Technology Law #9: All's well that ends... period. Murphy's Technology Law #10: A meeting is an event at which minutes are kept and hours are lost. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 10:34:39 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Salvation Army Bans Gays [njc] > also - i am really concerned about the tendency of people to react to bigotry with laws. does it, or can it, really work?? surely that is really just legalised mind control? wouldnt the best way be to educate people, and change attitudes?? or does forcing people to be together then cause them to start changing their attitudes?? To me legislation is important simply because it gives people who are discriminated against some kind of recourse. Mack is a prime example of someone who might benefit from a law that prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation. The tendency of some people to label such laws as 'special rights' really pisses me off. The same with the movement to do away with affirmative action programs. Sure, in a perfect world we wouldn't need specific laws to protect anyone's civil rights. Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world. In spite of the information highway and mass communication and the fact that this old world seems to get smaller by the second, there is still plenty of ignorance, prejudice and plain ugly old bigotry all around. And you still find it all too often in people who have some kind of position of power. Landlords, managers, clergy, legislators, policemen - all of these positions and countless others give the people who hold them a certain amount of power to affect other people's lives. You get even one person into any of these jobs who harbors distorted views of a certain group of people and they can and do cause a certain amount of grief for people belonging to that group. If there is no law to stop them and if society in general shows a disregard for the value and rights of that group (as it seems is the general attitude toward gays in the town that Mack lives in) then those people have free rein to deny housing, employment, spiritual comfort, legal recourse, protection and to harass the people they deem as inferior or unworthy. Laws that prohibit such discrimnatory behavior might not stop it but at least they give people victimized by prejudice some legal means to fight it. So laws are important. Will they change people's attitudes in the long run? Maybe it might make some people reassess their beliefs if the government officially recognizes the fact that gays are entitled to have the same civil rights as anybody else. But no, I agree with you, you certainly can't force anybody to change their attitudes. To Mack: I haven't written anything about your situation, Mack, because I'm not sure what I would do in your position. My gut feeling is that if you say nothing the whole issue will evaporate & you won't have to confront it. As others have pointed out, it seems unlikely that your employer will go to the trouble and expense of doing that throrough of a background check. Now if you'd done time in prison, that would be a different story. But I'm sure there must be other people who work in your hospital who have had minor infractions on their records and I really can't believe that they're going to bother with going to all the trouble of searching all of those out. Anyway, include me with all the rest who have indicated their support. I too have elderly parents. Unfortunately, they live in Iowa (I'm in Washington state near Seattle) and I often feel guilty and helpless that I can't do more to help them. They have home healthcare people coming in five days a week now and are on a waiting list for new assisted living units to be built in my hometown next year. They really can't function well on their own anymore. I admire you for sticking by your mom & dad and support you 100%. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 13:39:56 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Book Review : Shadows and Light Joni : Some Sides Now - Here's a new review of the book that gives pause for thought. Follow the link to the Globe and Mail (Canada' s National Newspaper) and do a Joni search. Peter Feniak's review will come up first. Happy reading! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/ Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 11:49:02 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Alicia's uninspiring Keys/back after a long break (NJC) Great to have you back, Brenda. Your analysis of Ms. Keys' success is right on the money. Mr. Clive Davis knows how to pick 'em (for success, anyway). I really wanted to love Alicia Keys' music (god is she cute), but like others on the list, found it kind of bland. Cute + bland=megabucks I guess. Witness Britney, n'sync, etc... RR Brenda wrote: > On 7 Dec 2001, at 11:34, Michael Yarbrough wrote: > > > Seriously, I mention the demo/psychographic info not > > to rag on them, but just because they're not exactly > > who you'd *expect* to go for Alicia, but they love > > her. I'm fascinated by the obvious question: why? > > > > Her rendition of the Donny Hathaway song was pretty > > good, and that is one of the things specifically > > mentioned by my officemates. In fact, there were a > > lot of surprisingly good performances on that show. > > It's the first time I've *ever* liked Faith Hill. > > > > Bob's question and mine is not so much why is Alicia > > as popular as the Belly Button Brigade, but why is she > > so much more successful than the Erykahs or Jill > > Scotts who ply similar trades with much more depth and > > unique charisma. > > I think Alicia's popularity stems from not only the fact that she is very > attractive (and thus "marketable") but also that she is the marquis act for > Clive Davis' label J Records. After being tossed out of Arista under the guise > of being too old (having passed BMG's draconian age limit for members of the > executive suite), Clive was intent on proving that he was really sacked for > being too successful and thus too powerful. (BTW - Arista has been a shell of > its former self since the reigns were given to L.A. Reid.) > > Clive is arguably one of the most powerful record executives when it comes to > media manipulation (probably only second to Tommy Mottola). He has the press > in his pocket. (Witness Whitney Houston's embarrassing and public drug abuse > descent which even the mainstream media started covering after Clive's > departure. Her problem started long before she married Bobby Brown but Clive > kept the wolves at bay for years.) And he has pulled out all the stops for > Alicia. Success breeds success for new artists and he made sure that her album > charted high the first week. She's had all the right magazine covers and > television performances. It's been years since an independent label has pulled > off something like this. Clive is proving that he can not only have success > with immense talents like Whitney & Aretha but also with mediocre talent like > Alicia. > > Alicia's appearance on Oprah undoubtedly helped her with the soccer mom set, > although she sounded like she was at a high school talent contest to me - > nervous vocal cracks and all. (India Arie was on the same show and did only a > little better. Jill Scott, however! Quite simply, she rocked the house.) I > thought Alicia's performance of the Donny Hathaway tune was rife with pitch > problems and not fitting the genius legacy of the man, let alone the fairly > high calibur of performances that evening. (If you want a treat, hear Kenny > Lattimore or Donny's daughter Lalah perform it.) > > If you want the real goods on "new soul" check out the new album from Alicia's > label mate Angie Stone. > > Brenda > > Finally returning from a long absence driven by work - something quite welcomed > given the slow year I was having. You guys sure have been busy lately! I've > still got another 700 posts to read to catch up. > > I'll write more later, particularly answering some of the things addressed to > me specifically and to report on seeing Ryan Adams at the Troubadour (smile!) > and Shelby Lynne at the House of Blues (high as a kite - her not me!). > > n.p. - Eagle Eye Cherry - Promises Made (Does anyone else think that this > sounds alot like a Cat Steven's tune?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:54:03 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Erika Luckett (njc) -- keeping on the lyric-writing theme... Yes Walt, once again its a small world. Erika is another indiegrrl colleague of mine. We shared a showcase (Taylor) last year at the Vancouver Folk Alliance. She is a wonderful singer/songwriter- I so agree! And a really nice person. And extraordinary guitar player too! Its so delightful ... hearing you discover some of these folks that I know! Thanks for spreading the word! >>!Erika Lucket is an amazing find!!! Any of you coffeehouse-cabaret circuit musicians know her?<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 11:54:08 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Alicia's uninspiring Keys/back after a long break (NJC) Brenda, Its good to hear from you again! Really interesting post on Clive & looking forward to hearing your review of the concerts (Ryan & Shelby). I've probably said this too many times but I can't tell you how many times I have sat in rooms listening to label folks talk about modern day criteria for success. Age & looks are at the top of the list...music is secondary... >>>I think Alicia's popularity stems from not only the fact that she is very attractive (and thus "marketable")<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:01:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: good ol' Murph NJC i though you were talking about beautiful bob mourphy!! wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Norma Enviado el: Sabado, 08 de Diciembre de 2001 02:49 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: good ol' Murph NJC Murphy's Technology Laws ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:41:48 EST From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: Music...(non Joni) Hi dear people, Just thought I'd post this, see what everyone else is listening to these days. Love to know. Yours, Nuri Hi Nuri and List, Interesting question Nuri, I was thinking of crafting the "perfect" line up but opted for the truth. Here is what is on the changer as I type Christmas and the Beads of Sweat - Laura Nyro (from last nights headphone therapy) In Step - Stevie Ray Vaughan (real loud, to inspire house cleaning, for today) No Joni, but I did see a "Joni 15" CT license plate while driving around doing errands this morning. And what is on your changer Nuri, do tell. Mona L. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:01:10 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] RE: NJC Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds Trust me it's NO longer an issue. After spending the night with him in Atlanta I can assure you he IS into the monkey thing. Hee hee, Paz on 12/7/01 12:11 PM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > and bob strictly specified ''no monkey business'' in his original request, > so there you go. :-) > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:02:37 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds is that a metaphor for golden showers Wallster??? on 12/7/01 12:15 PM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > all right, people, i get it.... you won't HAVE to share a room with ME!!!!! > so take it easy and sign up for pajama party fun. except you, bob murphy. > you're coming with me, handsome. > wallyK [folks you're safe. we go totally platonic and mellow at jonifest.] > [and michael paz showers too!] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 15:03:33 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds yes and alone for a change. well except the time with the snake. Paz on 12/7/01 12:17 PM, Donna J. Binkley at djb@binkleybarfield.com wrote: > Paz showered this year? db > > -----Original Message----- > From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally Kairuz > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 2:16 PM > To: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com; joni@smoe.org; > NortheastJonifest@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds > > > all right, people, i get it.... you won't HAVE to share a room with ME!!!!! > so take it easy and sign up for pajama party fun. except you, bob murphy. > you're coming with me, handsome. > wallyK [folks you're safe. we go totally platonic and mellow at jonifest.] > [and michael paz showers too!] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 14:56:10 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: ENDA (njc) Unfortunately, my dear Kakki, the general public here in Texas agrees with the lawmakers. Mack > Michael wrote: > > > House Leadership through those years, who >are the ones who control what > comes up for a >vote: Gingrich, Armey, and most of all Delay. >First is GA, > latter two are TX. Their >arguments deem such legislation to be creating > >"special rights for homosexuals." > > Thanks - now I'm getting the picture. I'm sorry to say that I started to > pretty much completely tune out and turn off from national politics around > 15 years ago when I started perceiving that politcal discourse from both > sides was degenerating into nothing more than extreme rhetoric and B.S. and > becoming non-productive. About that time, however, I did become much more > engaged in California state and local issues where I felt there was still > real opportunity where one could effect real change and progress. In only > the past couple years have I started to become more engaged in national > issues again so I have a lot of catching up to do. Thanks for providing me > with this information. It seems very crazy to that something that should > have been resolved as a simple civil rights matter long ago probably got > bogged down in a lot of side rhetorical B.S. I will read up on this some > more and think that all of us in the U.S. need to start being more proactive > in contacting our representatives and letting them know how we feel about > issues. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:02:28 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: clive davis njc Clive is one in a million and knows how to pick em. He was very high on Janis and did her career much good. He said publicly that she was most special to him out of those he had worked with. I was pretty interested in the list of female singers and amazed that I did not know who a great deal of them were, not only that but had never heard their names. I would have to put Janis at #1.. Interesting that Brenda mentioned Faith Hill. Her version of Janis' "Piece of My Heart" was dreadful and I read that she had never even heard of Janis when she recorded it. Can you imagine? Mack > Clive is arguably one of the most powerful record executives when it comes to > media manipulation (probably only second to Tommy Mottola). He has the press > in his pocket. (Witness Whitney Houston's embarrassing and public drug abuse > descent which even the mainstream media started covering after Clive's > departure. Her problem started long before she married Bobby Brown but Clive > kept the wolves at bay for years.) And he has pulled out all the stops for > Alicia. Success breeds success for new artists and he made sure that her album > charted high the first week. She's had all the right magazine covers and > television performances. It's been years since an independent label has pulled > off something like this. Clive is proving that he can not only have success > with immense talents like Whitney & Aretha but also with mediocre talent like > Alicia. > > Alicia's appearance on Oprah undoubtedly helped her with the soccer mom set, > although she sounded like she was at a high school talent contest to me - > nervous vocal cracks and all. (India Arie was on the same show and did only a > little better. Jill Scott, however! Quite simply, she rocked the house.) I > thought Alicia's performance of the Donny Hathaway tune was rife with pitch > problems and not fitting the genius legacy of the man, let alone the fairly > high calibur of performances that evening. (If you want a treat, hear Kenny > Lattimore or Donny's daughter Lalah perform it.) > > If you want the real goods on "new soul" check out the new album from Alicia's > label mate Angie Stone. > > Brenda > > Finally returning from a long absence driven by work - something quite welcomed > given the slow year I was having. You guys sure have been busy lately! I've > still got another 700 posts to read to catch up. > > I'll write more later, particularly answering some of the things addressed to > me specifically and to report on seeing Ryan Adams at the Troubadour (smile!) > and Shelby Lynne at the House of Blues (high as a kite - her not me!). > > n.p. - Eagle Eye Cherry - Promises Made (Does anyone else think that this > sounds alot like a Cat Steven's tune?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:06:09 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: bedrooms and politics NJC Mary is a brave woman. I have shared many private posts with her and not only is she that but also quite witty. I encourage her to send more of the real Mary to the big post, including that irreverant wit and a view of the world that only she can give. Everyone would enjoy it. Mack > Well, > > let's just say you hit a nerve. I have been a coward for more than 10 years > now about this stuff. I have recently decided I have something to say, > therefore I am going to say it. I have a number of suggestions for > psychiatric patients with abuse histories given many lessons I have learned > the hard way. There are a lot of people out there who are really suffering > and judging from what I have seen, they are just as confused as I am (or was > - I have finally found someone to listen to me). Still, cowardice has its > disadvantages. Mainly I think it's that I've gone through life saying 'what > if I had the courage to do x, y, or z?'. I found out recently that my mother > has always wanted to write. She has never done it though. I don't want to > be 60 saying "what might have been"? Still, there is a very real price to be > paid for being open and unfortunately it seems that intolerance and evil are > rarely punished in this life. It is a real dilemma. I have been fortunate > enough to find the advocates that are out there, but who are not so extreme > that they turn me off. The whole situation for homosexuals is so unjust. I > wish I had some answers. I think what makes these types of issues political > is that there is a large population of people out there who are victims of > injustice, and therefore the decisions that one person makes can potentially > impact others. As long as each person is left to struggle alone, justice > will never be achieved. At least that's what I get out of it. > > Mary > > People hurry by so quickly > Don't they hear the melodies > In the chiming and the clicking > And the laughing harmonies > - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:16:32 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Music...(non Joni) Nuriel. Rosalie accuses me of not giving anyone new a chance. As of yet, I haven't heard any that doesn't make me ill. At this very time I am listening to Janis. Currently in rotation are Phoebe Snow, the Commodores, Joni (for the roses, c and s, indigo, Luther, Steve Wariner (has a beautiful voice and able to turn a phrase and the music into something so very sweet), Anita Baker. Mack > Hi dear people, > Just thought I'd post this, see what everyone else is listening to these > days. Love to know. > Yours, > Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 15:23:05 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds Wally wrote: > > > > > all right, people, i get it.... you won't HAVE to share a room with ME!!!!! > > so take it easy and sign up for pajama party fun. except you, bob murphy. > > you're coming with me, handsome. > > wallyK [folks you're safe. we go totally platonic and mellow at jonifest.] > > [and michael paz showers too!] Wally, who, in their right mind, would not value a chance to spend time with someone as sweet as you? Mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:33:48 EST From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: Music...(non Joni)njc My CD player is on the christmas block shuffle. That would be Jewel, Windam Hill Mix, Time Magazine's Christmas mix, Boys II Men, and Charolette Church. Kammy in Alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:36:53 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds In a message dated 12/8/01 4:27:11 PM, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: << Wally, who, in their right mind, would not value a chance to spend time with someone as sweet as you? >> Hey! Jump back, Mack! Find your own fest flesh! --Bob Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 17:08:00 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Covers #24 - Time is running out! SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: Billy slipped this guess in yesterday... > "The Dawntreader" from "Song To A Seagull." And what do you know...it was a winner!! The song on my brain was "Cactus Tree", the version from her debut. (end) Howdy Mr. Bob, Well, I can't believe it. Lucky guess, I suppose. I totally pulled that one out of my hat---and just in the nick of time! Honestly, what a treat. My horoscope predicted I might win something yesterday---even though I don't pay any attention to that nonsense. And I've never even heard one of your 'covers' disc's, Bob. I just hope this doesn't lead to some sort of chronic addiction ;-) Anyway, I've always loved "The Dawntreader." It's one of my absolute favorites from the debut, and I can't wait to hear the 'remake' she's (supposedly) recorded for the new project. I'm finally getting myself together this morning after a much needed night of moderate partying---well into the night last night---with a good friend. We listened to my new Ryan Adams ("Gold") and the "Felt Mountain" disc by Goldfrapp I just got---which is a beautiful, elegant type of record (if not particularly groundbreaking). Almost overblown at times in a 'James Bond-ish' way, with sweeping, cinematic production and gorgeous vocals. And has anyone else heard the new Leona Naess CD? While it's not very impressive IMO, she sounds uncannily like Edie Brickell---who must still be chained up somewhere in a cellar, courtesy of Paul Simon. :-D Since last year I've been caring for my elderly father who's 82 and in the throes of Alzheimer's related dementia, so I really needed a break last night. It's a particularly sad disease (epidemic?) I hope none of you ever have to deal with. He's like a walking shell of the person he once was---and doesn't even recognize me most of the time. He was also the greatest, most loving and devoted father a son could ever have---despite a certain amount of dysfunction. And my mother died many years ago from cancer when I was only 6 years old---but I digress... Anyhooo, thanks again, Bobby! XXXOOO, The usually tortured, used and abused, Mr. Bill (well, I guess not today ;-)). np---"An Evening With Mike Nichols & Elaine May" Return-path: From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Full-name: SCJoniGuy Message-ID: <142.5fc649c.29438095@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 09:41:25 EST Subject: Re: Covers #24 - Time is running out! To: Wtking59@cs.com CC: joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Billy slipped this guess in yesterday... > "The Dawntreader" from "Song To A Seagull." And what do you know...it was a winner!! The song on my brain was "Cactus Tree", the version from her debut. So Billy, just send me your address and a free copy of Covers #24 will be heading your way. Thanks to all who gave it a shot...if you want a copy of this gem, let me know, I'm ready to copy it for anyone for blanks & postage, etc. Stay tuned for more covers giveaways...plenty more where that came from! :~) Bob NP: Kay Ashley, "Missing In Me" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 16:24:21 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Music...(non Joni) Hello dear people. This weekend i'm listening to the wonderful 'This Mortal Coil'. I'm always thinking of you when the songs are playing and so i'm hoping that in case you never heard of it before - it'll soon be playing in your special spaces. One of the most striking aspects of 'This Mortal Coil' is that it tends to be so well-liked by people who are fond of nearly any musical genre. Be it classical, folk, jazz, rock, or whatever. I can't deny that I've enjoyed each of those types of music, and more, during the course of my rather erratic and eclectic life. It likewise wouldn't have mattered what types I was listening to when this release entered my life, it's magic would've worked on me regardless. Another common sentiment of people who prefer numerous genres, at least amongst the creative nuts I've known, is that this music is highly capable of evoking interesting images within your mind. Or upon the backs of your closed eyelids, in the air before you, or however else you might prefer it. The same has definitely been true for me, and I have even used this affect as a tool in the past. 'This Mortal Coil' is a collaboration of various musicians that mainly covered works by artists that i'm sure are JMDL folks favorite songwriters/composeres. More than 60 musicians appear on 'This Mortal Coil'. Here's a list of the ORIGINAL VERSIONS of the songs that were covered by the TMC musicians so you'll see how special it realy is: THIS MORTAL COIL (THIS MORTAL COIL has 3 releases: "It'll End in Tears", "Filigree and Shadow" and "Blood") The songs covered on THIS MORTAL COIL were originaly created by: Roy Harper: Another Day (1970) taken from the album Flat Baroque And Berserk The Apartments: Mr. Somewhere (1985) taken from the album The Evening Visits... Gene Clark: With Tomorrow (1971) taken from the album White Light Big Star: Holocaust (1975) taken from the album Third/Sister Lovers Big Star: Kangaroo (1975) taken from the album Third/Sister Lovers Rain Parade: Carolyn's Song (1983) taken from the album Emergency Third Power Trip Gary Ogan and Bill Lamb: I Want to Live (1972) taken from the album Portland Talking Heads: Drugs (1979) taken from the album Fear Of Music Mary Margaret O'Hara: Help Me Lift You Up (1989) taken from the album Miss Amerika Tim Buckley: Song to the Siren (1970) taken from the album Starsailor Tim Buckley: Morning Glory (1967) taken from the album Goodbye And Hello Tim Buckley: I Must Have Been Blind (1970) taken from the album Blue Afternoon Pearls Before Swine: The Jeweller (1970) taken from the album Use Of Ashes The Byrds: I Come and Stand at Every Door (1966) taken from the album Fifth Dimension Chris Bell: I Am The Cosmos (1992) taken from the album I Am The Cosmos Chris Bell: You and Your Sister (1992) taken from the album I Am The Cosmos Emmylou Harris: 'Til I Gain Control Again (1975) taken from the album Elite Hotel Spirit: Nature's Way (1970) taken from the album The Twelve Dreams Of Dr. Sardonicus Gene Clark: Strength of Strings (1974) taken from the album No Other Judy Collins: My Father (1968) taken from the album Who Knows Where the Time Goes and Colors Of The Day - The Best Of Judy Collins (1989) Van Morrison: Come Here My Love (1974) taken from the album Veedon Fleece Quicksilver Messenger Service: Fire Brothers (1971) taken from the album Quicksilver Syd Barrett: Late Night (1970) taken from the album The Madcap Laughs ...And MANY more. The artists/musicians that cover the songs are realy amazing and i'm sure you may have heard of some of them like Cocteau Twins and Dead Can Dance to name but few. OHHHHH that was long! - but i realy hope you'll check it out. The 3 This Mortal Coil releases are always in the music shops. And there are always MP's. I enjoyed writing this and once you hear it please share the magic with me. Love you all. Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 19:38:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers #24 - Time is running out! I just hope this doesn't lead to some sort of chronic addiction ; Well, if it does, you'll have a pretty good support group! ;~) > > Anyway, I've always loved "The Dawntreader." > It's one of my absolute favorites from the debut, and I can't wait to hear > the 'remake' she's (supposedly) recorded for the new project. > I also love The Dawntreader...The Mixons nailed it at this year's fest, and my covers pal in Holland, Monica, just found a cover of it by The Patrick Regan Band, so I can't wait to hear it! Congrats on your win! Bob NP: Angie Stone, "Wish I Didn't Miss You" (bought this today on my soul sister's reccomendation....oooooh yeah, this one is a virtual re-sampling of the O'Jay's "Backstabbers"...awesome. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2001 22:05:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Jonifest 2002- Beds children, children, mack you can be my lord; bob, you'll always be my master. wallyK, fest flesh to the core -- but you're still safe sharing a room with anyone at jonifest. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Sabado, 08 de Diciembre de 2001 06:37 p.m. Para: courtandspark@earthlink.net; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Jonifest 2002- Beds In a message dated 12/8/01 4:27:11 PM, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: << Wally, who, in their right mind, would not value a chance to spend time with someone as sweet as you? >> Hey! Jump back, Mack! Find your own fest flesh! --Bob Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2001 19:56:17 -0600 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Quote on Ab Fab Edina going through one of her crises is ranting at Saffy in the bathroom; rant rant blah blah. Suddenly she utters; " ... in the squinting sun!" Patsy walks in and continues; "The Hissing of Summer Lawns. A suspect smattering from the audience. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:45:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: december 8 njc december 8 is the official start of the christmas season here. we catholics celebrate the immaculate conception on this day. it is also the day i took my first communion 34 years ago. on december 8 we decorate our christmas trees. we used to put a lot of cotton and stuff on our tree when we were kids to make believe it was snow. like most of my friends, i am only first-generation argentine. our parents could never get used to the idea of christmas in summer, so we put make-believe snow on the tree and ate winter dishes on a 100-degree night. the christmas week is my favorite time in the year. christmas, my birthday, the beginning of a new year; all three so closely related in my mind and in my soul ever since i was a child. i was born on st john's day, the disciple that jesus loved and whose head rested on jesus' shoulder as jesus had his last supper. the stories of jesus and john and of david and jonathan marked my childhood. before i knew anything, i knew about love. on december 8 my heart begins a journey. i am full of joy and melancholy and wonder. i am full of what the welsh call hiraeth. it's a yearning for the past and a yearning for the future. in spanish we use a similar word: anhelo, whose etymology means ''out of breath''. i am breathless with anticipation of things that will never be and i am breathless with memories of things that never were. so much christmas snow that never fell on me, so many christmas carols i never sang for anyone, so many christmas stars i never followed. i am like this, too. i yearn for the god of my childhood. my hands have remained the hands of a child. i have the face of a man and the hands of a child. i am like this. wally ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #582 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?