From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #575 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, December 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 575 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Announcing...Covers Volume 24!! [Michael Paz ] Re: Clapton and Harrison,(continued), Long , njc [Michael Paz ] sympathy and support [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Jeff Bisch'es New Album: "40 - watt stars", njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama] Re: Joni in London [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: 100 Greatest Women of Music sjc/njc [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: PJ..PU! NJC [Wtking59@cs.com] NJC Jonifest 2001 music [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Address Book Trick For Email Viruses! [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: PJ..PU! NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Request for help -- gimme the blues! (please) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Request for help -- gimme the blues! (please) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: distress, njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Joni's orchestral sessions [Lazyasz@aol.com] Some Guitar Advice (NJC) ["Ron Greer" ] Vanity Fair [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:38:52 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Announcing...Covers Volume 24!! How the feck did I miss the artwork for the CD's. And I can't believe they are already being distributed seeing how I am waiting for world from Ashara on the final cut.???? Huh???? Steve WHERE is the artwork?? Paz NP-Crazy About You-Whiskeytown on 12/4/01 4:46 AM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Oh, and also a BIG thanks to Bob for copies of the 2001 Jonifest. It brings > back some great memories, and it still amazes me how talented so many of you > are. Steve Polifka, great job on the artwork. AND Kay Ashley, I could listen > to your song "Holy Man" over and over. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 20:35:17 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: "covering" (NJC) In a message dated 12/4/01 8:30:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > . Last night I sang When The Stars go Blue by Ryan Adams > and of course I think i sound like Michael Paz trying to sound like Ryan > Adams trying to sound like Roy Orbison, but i LOVE it. WAAAHHHHHHHH........me wanz to hear it ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:43:51 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: "covering" (NJC) Woof! My gawd I feel ya. I wrote a tune that I really liked but only had a line or two that was the equivilant of say "scrambled eggs", but shared this with a friend that I finsihed writing the tune with and it turned out really neat. The song is called Break Away and I just may have to pull it out at a future time and forget the anxiety. Gawd I like this topic. Love Paz NP-Easy Hearts-Whiskeytown on 12/4/01 5:42 AM, M.Russell@iaea.org at M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > I have been thinking a lot about writing music. I seem to be able to do the > music part, but words have generally eluded me. Maybe I haven't tried hard > enough to find them. Also, I realize I am very shy about sharing my own > bits and pieces of songs without words - so much so that I have burst into > tears on more than one occasion trying to sing them for someone. It is so > much easier to sing other people's songs than to dig into my soul for my own > songs (there's the fear that I won't find anything) or to bear my soul by > singing the bits and pieces I do have for other people. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:54:54 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Clapton and Harrison,(continued), Long , njc I seem to remember Paul being the third one. Paz on 12/4/01 11:28 AM, Randy Remote at guitarzan@saber.net wrote: > Quite simply, the only Beatles tune Clapton played on was "While > My Guitar Gently Weeps". > The solos at the end of Abbey Road are by George, Paul, and > John, alternating 3 bars each. I forget which order they played it > but it is pretty obvious from listening to it. John's playing is primal > and bluesy, George's is certainly the most accomplished, Paul's is > reminiscent of his work on his first solo LP. > RR > > "Jim L'Hommedieu (Lama)" wrote: > >> Gen Xers might be interested to know that Eric (god) (slowhand) Clapton bent >> his guitar at such Beatle gems as "While My Guitar Gently Weeps", and lots >> of amazing stuff on "Abbey Road". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:51:14 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Covers, and "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay", long Thanks to all for the interesting exchange about "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay" from the "Bread And Roses Festival" at the Greek Theatre in Berkeley, California on September 4, 1978. I drug it out (dragged it out?) of my CD-R collection and really, really enjoyed it. Especially "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay". It's one of those times when her story telling / singing / songwriting skills and her mystical beliefs really come together and show why we love her so much. During "Lindsay", she even stops to tune but it doesn't matter because she starts doing a wolf "howwwwwl". She never loses the audience. I really value this 'place', this JMDL. Especially now that it looks like I'm gonna have to lose touch again, (working >50 hours a week again) to keep things together. Anyway, thank you, friends. Turning now to Marian's discussion of playing, and being in the "zone". You said, >>I felt that what came out during most of that song was better than anything that had ever before happened to me during a performance or practicing. The perception of the result is an individual experience, though - two different people might have two different perceptions, and musical taste is so individual that one person might not like the result at all, while the other person would think it was nice. I felt good about Wolf that time, but other people might not have liked it, or maybe they don't like the way I sing.>>> Now me. Music is very mutable and evanescant that way. I remember, Marian, when you were playing "Overture" in Ashara's living room. I apologize for re-telling this story but I must: We didn't know each other at all at that point. I'm a bit of a hermit, lacking in normal graces sometimes, and prone to getting overly excited. Anyway, I had never heard anyone even *attempt* "Overture" but when you started it, I was just shocked. It knocked the wind out of me. It was perfect and yet, you had such a physical grace about playing it, that it seemed as though you wrote it. (Okay, now I'm gonna sound like a real idiot but I don't care: You transported me to the logic of it. The rightness of the composition.) When I got my wind back, I giggled and shook my head. On the inside, I was stunned and amazed. What you percieved was that I was snickering at you. I don't know how I can ever make that up to you because it was a TOTAL miscommunication. I love your playing and I guess I need to say that until I don't feel guilty anymore. I'm so sorry. Marian, you have *it*. Thank you. I hope this isn't too personal for the List. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:58:16 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Abbey Road and George Harrison(njc) Wow. Thanks for the scholarship, Victor and Fred. I stand corrected. This evening, I consulted the big "Anthology" book about Abbey Road and Mr. Clapton is not mentioned in the side two medley. Wow! Today is certianly my day to eat crow. Sorry guys. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 19:01:50 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: abundance Hey Baby, (saying this in my deep, deep Barry White voice) cute story. Bree . She took my Barry White tape to the men >doing the music and they played it. We all danced to it but the rest of >the >crowd just stared at us like we were from outer space. > > "can't get enough of your love" damn, now that is music in this >book. > > > >mack > > > > I completely understand!! Well, you know when you love someone you want >the > > rest of the world to know just how great this person is. You want to >share > > and spread the "news".....so in a public place all the better. > > I paid the DJ a few bucks on the side to sneak some Joni in at My >niece's > > wedding reception a few weeks ago. I was on freakin cloud 9 when Help >Me > > blasted out. (the jack helped too) My niece came on to the dance floor >and > > eased her way over to me and winked,whispered in my ear.."amazing > > coincidence how Joni "shows up" when your around." > > > > Still trying to convert her, > > > > Bree > > > > > > >hearing joni unexpected is like a drug. > > >hearing joni in public, when someone else put her on . . . fills my >body > > >and > > >soul. > > > > > >hearing joni unexpected is like swirling with patterns of flowers and, >oh. > > >. > > >. > > > > > >I am just free associating here. > > >Y'all know what I am talking about? > > > > > >Hi everyone!!!!!! > > > > > >Marianne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:13:30 -0000 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: sympathy and support Dear Mack, I just read your message on the JMDL digest. I don't contribute often, for sheer lack of time, but when I read your message I really felt I had to respond. I am a heterosexual woman living in London, so you may wonder why I connect. Well all I can say is that I do, very strongly so. I know the feeling of suffocation you must be experiencing. Some people may say you choose your own situation, that subconsciously you must be wanting or needing this, that you are a prisoner of your own feelings of guilt etc, but all I could say to that is: bullshit! I understand completely how and why you feel stuck in a situation which is not of your own making, which is in a way the result of you wanting to take responsibility, take care of your parents, hold down a job etc. I have all respect for that. I feel so sorry that I can't do more to help. Wally is right, this should not be legal, but I fear that maybe it is, and in that case it's very difficult for you to fight back. But really, honest and truly, take this bit of advice: believe in your strength! This will not break you! You know, the fear of something happening, of everything around you collapsing outside your control is more terrifying than coping with it when it actually happens! You may discover friends in places you did not expect, colleagues who speak out for you. Your parents may take it much better than you fear. Just hold on to this one conviction: you can swim, you will not drown! It may hurt for a while, but you will come out of this stronger, better. Really, I mean this very strongly, I have been in similar situations, fighting for my reputation, feeling betrayed and not knowing whom I could trust, being backstabbed and knowing it could cost me my job and my whole way of living, and at some point I gave up fighting and just thought: OK, let is happen, whatever must happen, I will survive this, they will not break me, I will have a life that's worth it when all this has blown over as it must. And so it did. In the mean time, Mack, take strength from your friends. I'm sure you'll get lots and lots of support from this group, some of them will be able to give you much better, practical advice. So take good care, Mack, really! Big supportive hug, Lieve. ********************************************************************** EBRD SECURITY NOTICE This message has been Virus scanned ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:13:38 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Jeff Bisch'es New Album: "40 - watt stars", njc Kate, Did Jeff know that he nearly has Joni Content in his album title? Check it out: "The firmament of Tinsel Town Is strung with tungsten stars Lots of forty watt successes" I suppose I see JC in almost everthing though. Thanks for the info on the album. Best of luck! Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:14:06 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Joni in London Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:38:12 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni in London Sunday's LA Times had a story about Joni's current sessions in London being filmed...I'd post it but I'm swamped...it might be online. (end) Thanks for the tip, Steve. It's a great little article. After reading this, I can't wait to both hear and see the newly christened "The Circle Game" when it's released. And you gotta love that title. I hope it sticks! XXXOOO, Billy np---"Dance Hall At Louse Point" by PJ Harvey Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:34:24 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: 100 Greatest Women of Music sjc/njc Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 07:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: 100 Greatest Women of Music sjc Polly Harvey is PJ Harvey, an immensely talented rock singer-songwriter with at least three classic albums to her credit already, and two other very good ones. I think Joni's relatively high placement--and Laura Nyro's appearing at all--are things to be very grateful for. (end) I agree, Michael--on both counts. What an odd list? There were several names that stumped me. For example #44, Sharleen Spiteri (from the band Texas, I've been informed) and #45, Cerys Matthews (from Catatonia). Sister Bliss, Roisin Murphy and even Toyah Wilcox are unknown to me as well. I'm also surprised Exene Cervenka (well, not too surprised under the circumstances) didn't make the list. And you know I think Nyro should be in the top ten...:-) Billy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:56:13 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: PJ..PU! NJC Very funny Bob. I know, "Rid Of Me" is hard to take for some people (and it's definitely not one of my fave's). I'm not crazy about "Is This Desire?" either. The sound on both is rather bland and unpolished. Personally, I prefer her glossier productions. And I have to agree with you Michael, about something else. I think PJ Harvey is great! XXXOOO, Billy np---"This Is Hardcore" by Pulp (elegant and fabulous). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 22:57:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Jonifest 2001 music > How the feck did I miss the artwork for the CD's. And I can't believe they > are already being distributed seeing how I am waiting for world from Ashara > on the final cut.???? Huh???? Steve WHERE is the artwork?? > Easy, Michael...I have the CD's and Steve sent me the art. I got the instructions about cutting Linger & adding the track markers for Wally's set (which I enjoy more each time I hear it, Wallista!), and I'm off to the races. Probably jumped the gun, but hey, no point in fecking off! Besides, how can I say "no" to my Jimmy! ;~) Bob NP: Randy Newman, "Baltimore" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:07:23 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Address Book Trick For Email Viruses! Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:52:57 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Address Book Trick for Email Viruses! A friend sent me this & wanted to pass it on as it sounds like a simple deterrent (in addition to staying current on your virus protection & live updates). Here is is: (end) Yes Kate, this might actually work. A friend sent me this little tip a while back---and so far so good. I say, why not? At least it sounds good in theory anyway. Who knows... Billy K. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:07:26 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: PJ..PU! NJC Very funny Bob. I DO aim to please, Billy...nice to see you back. And further to PJ Harvey, I was talking to my cousin about Polly Jean about a year ago, as she's a big fan and I was trying to see why. She said that PJ's strength is not in her studio recordings but rather in concert. She had a couple of boots, but I remained unimpressed. However, that Stories From the Sea thingy, that rocks. So that's another thing. Bob NP: Randy Newman, "Mama Told Me Not To Come" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:24:17 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Request for help -- gimme the blues! (please) Hi, all, I've already revealed this to a couple of buds on the list, but I've decided to work on a "Pasticcio" of at least three Joni songs -- tentatively entitled "The Mood Swing Waltz" -- inspired by the fact that Turbulent Indigo (song) and Ray's Dad's Cadillac are both in 3-time (or at least can be thought to be in 3/4 time) and both contain references to the word blue -- but TI is dark and RDC is up and cheery. Another song with a reference to blueness is, of course, Blue. Now I've read the glossary entries in the jmdl for the word "blue", and I've looked in Wally B's site, but I can't seem to find a "search engine" that someone else mentioned recently that would (say) give me a list of songs that contain the word blue (if such exists); but, for that matter, there are so many synonyms for the word blue -- so: help!! - -- In addition to Turbulent Indigo Ray's Dad's Cadillac Blue are there other songs in the repertoire that contain the word "blue" or any of its synonyms in the sense of color (indigo, azure cerulean, etc.) -- and better still if there's an element of 3-ness in the time sig, but if not (as in the case of "Blue" itself), I can arrange the song (or the part of it I'll use in the pastiche) in 3-time. This is quite a challenge to me -- I haven't done this kind of thing for well over 20 years -- so I appreciate any help of any kind -- and if it comes out all right, I'll perform it at J-fest 2002. God help us all. :-) thanks, walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:29:26 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Request for help -- gimme the blues! (please) you asked for it, you got it... ready? "blue" was found in 51 lyrics of the 189 that were searched. Furry Sings The Blues Blue Motel Room Blue My Old Man Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Roses Blue Black Crow Blue Boy Passion Play (When All The Slaves Are Free) Straw-Flower Me Impossible Dreamer Ray's Dad's Cadillac Little Green California A Case of You Sometimes I'm Happy Night Ride Home My Best To You Sweet Sucker Dance Night In The City All I Want This Flight Tonight The Windfall (Everything For Nothing) The Priest The Last Time I Saw Richard The Jungle Line The Hissing of Summer Lawns The Gallery The Dawntreader Stormy Weather Sisotowbell Lane River Moon At The Window Carey At Last Amelia Willy Underneath the Streetlight The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines That Song About The Midway Talk To Me Refuge of the Roads Paprika Plains Love or Money Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Court And Spark Cotton Avenue Come In From The Cold Chelsea Morning A Strange Boy got enough Walt? ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 20:40:30 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: distress, njc I am here taking care of my elderly >parents or would have left years ago. How lucky your parents are to have you as a son!! They must be very proud of you. They reared you right, Mack. Your post touched me very deeply.......you have such a sweet soul. I'm sure it will turn out okay for you. We humans always think of the worst case scenarios and fret and fret. Try not to do that to yourself. I bet you are an excellent nurse and considering there is a nurse shortage (in Cincinnati there is ) they are not going to want to get rid of you. >The arresting officer told me that if I had been with a girl, they would >have just sent us home. How true! I know this from first-hand experience. Gay men have it so much rougher than gay women. (I'm sure a big understatement) To my knowledge I've never been discriminated against because of who I'm sleeping with. I guess I would classify myself as bi-sexual? When I was in my early twenties (late at night) I was getting it on with a girl in car in a parking lot. We were both higher than kites and kissing passionately, oblivious to are surroundings. Well we were not alone.......a police officer had been watching us. How long? I don't have the slightest clue? (getting his jollies off, I suppose) He tapped on the window told us something to the effect to break it up and this parking lot is off limits after closing hours. Embarrassed and humiliated, to say the least. This cop could have arrested us on several violations.......but he chose not to. We had lots of dope in the car and on are persons too. (it's funny, i had not thought about this for years,buried it I guess) Two gay men in this scenario? Searched, handcuffed, arrested.......public indecency, and God knows what else!! . Please be thinking of me as I face my own struggle. I needed to vent >and you have allowed me to do so. Thank you. The world needs you, Mack, your sweetness.....stay well. And vent and vent, whenever you need to. Bree > >Mack _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 00:01:17 EST From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Joni's orchestral sessions Who thinks we can convince Joni to throw in some Nyro covers? December's Boudoir and Stoned Soul Picnic would suit me just fine. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 08:38:03 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Some Guitar Advice (NJC) help!! i need some advice!! i ahve been offered a very good cond, ovation guitar - the fancy one with the little round sound holes on the top, not under the strings (is it an adamas?) for R5,000 - which is US$ 500.00. it is in very good condition, with the original hard case, no scratches etc, all the electrics work fine, & the neck looks straight to me. im just not sure about the value - is us$500 a reasonable price?? & what is the general opinion on these guitars?? i would really appreciate some advice!! thanks ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2001 00:20:11 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Vanity Fair >From: "Tortorici, Frank" >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 10:06:39 -0500 > >I don't think anyone commented that Joni is featured on the inner-sleeve >cover of Nov.'s Vanity Fair. She looks great and poses along with Maxwell, >David Bowie, Jewel and some newer artists. It's totally a music issue. It >has a very interesting piece on rock star children that includes Sally >Taylor, Mackenzie Phillips, Amy Fleetwood, etc. > >But, the piece on Joni is very brief and just mentions what she's been up to >(two albums of music with orchestra,etc). > >Frank Tortorici ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #575 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?