From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #572 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 572 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Galeano: NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] smoking njc ["Kate Bennett" ] abundance ["Kate Bennett" ] george & eric njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Kurt Elling and other encounters (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] saving unfinished email - njc [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Hebert's Book and other books [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Patti Boyd - most serenaded woman in pop? (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Bread & Roses [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Announcing...Covers Volume 24!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Covers 24 - How to Get it [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Bread & Roses [Mark Domyancich ] Re: picking a beatle njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Seed material Wanted ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Fwd: Site: Cat-Scans (njc) [jan gyn ] Remembering Wally Breese ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Re: Wow NJC [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Remembering Wally Breese [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Kurt Elling and other encounters (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Kurt Elling and other encounters (njc) [FredNow@aol.com] Zappa on critics (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Jonifest 2002- Some updates!! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] (njc&long)Warning: Brame's Appointment & "Taliban" in the USA [BigWaltin] (njc) Modern-day Witch Hunt [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] 100 Greatest Women of Music sjc [Lazyasz@aol.com] Re: Patti Boyd - most serenaded woman in pop? (NJC) [Fauchja@aol.com] Re: Bread & Roses [Mark Domyancich ] distress, njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Joni Producer [TanyerSCO@aol.com] The discussion also included ["Bill O'Neill" ] Re:Gregg Cagno's folk gig NJC [TanyerSCO@aol.com] Re: Joni Producer [Shnootre@aol.com] RE: distress, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Announcing...Covers Volume 24!! [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:01:43 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Galeano: NJC Potosi 1598 Spanish Couplets to be Sung and Danced I have seen a man survive with a hundred wounds from a lance and later saw him die from just a single glance. Down in the sea a whale sighed and sighed again and his sighings told this tale "He who loves, has pain." Today I want to laugh now that I have no sorrow, in case the fates should bring tears to my eyes tomorrow. Eduardo Galeano: 'Genesis' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:14:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: smoking njc Unfortunately the advertising has already grabbed a whole bunch of kids & has gotten them hooked. Remember Joe Camel? It really worked. This is one really sore subject with me. "My concern is for those who, due to peer pressure do not always recognize the dangers of starting i.e. children. The only way to educate them of the dangers is through advertising." ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:24:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: abundance It is called licensing & it is very lucrative but you can choose who you want to grant a license to, so it isn't like you give all your rights to the song away to anyone or forever. Brenda probably has a better description of how this works.... >>Guess that means Joni sold the rights for that song. Don't like that but it is her right, though it still bothers me, that they use these great tunes for advertisements.<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:34:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: george & eric njc It sounds like Clapton recorded some stuff on this last album of George's, what an amazing thing to do...I can't wait to hear these songs... >I'd heard that they all became good friends again and I think Clapton did some recording with George in recent years.< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 04:48:31 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Kurt Elling and other encounters (njc) "Kakki" wrote: >Last night I was so happy to see my favorite vocalist (and old friend of >our Fred Simon) Kurt Elling and group perform here at the Jazz Bakery. The >legendary Bob Sheppard (of recent Joni and Steely Dan fame) sat in on sax. >It was a stunning concert and I don't think I've ever seen an audience >quite so rapt and somewhat swooning throughout. Elling began with a tribute >to the passing of George Harrison singing "Goodbye Clifford Brown." He went >on to sing a number of knock over gorgeous love songs from his latest album >"Flirting with Twilight" (on which Sheppard and Peter Erskine appear). "Flirting with Twilight" is my favorite of Kurt's records so far, but I like them all. And I would feel this way even if he hadn't included a wonderful version of a song of mine that he wrote the lyric for, "While You Are Mine," on the album. He sounds so relaxed ... pure singing joy with absolutely nothing to prove. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 11:41:31 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: saving unfinished email - njc Somebody asked about where the saved unfinished email goes. It depends on your email program. Some email programs have a "drafts" folder and saved unfinished email is automatically put there. I have Microsoft Outlook and my saved unfinished email is stored in the "inbox" until I send it. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:35:07 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hebert's Book and other books <> Walt, Gilles Hebert is the curator of the Mendel Art Gallery in Saskatoon; "Voices" is the souvenir book published from the exhibition. Beautifully done, it is a collection & discussion of her painting, and wouldn't be much help to you with the piano except it might inspire you to compose some nice tunes! ;~) Bob NP: Buckingham-Nicks, "Goldfish & Ladybug" (Hi Nikki!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:41:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Patti Boyd - most serenaded woman in pop? (NJC) <> That's a dang good question...after thinking through it, I'd agree that while Joni's had more songs written about/to her, none are as famous as the "Something/Layla/Wonderful Tonight" combo... Bob NP: Jeff Buckley, "Mojo Pin" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:49:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Bread & Roses <> There was a CD tree from a couple years back featuring 3 discs: Tokyo '83 concert (radio broadcast), Wembley '83 (TV broadcast), and "Bread & Roses". Here's the songlist for the Bread & Roses CD: 1. Furry Sings The Blues 2. Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 3. Chair In The Sky 4. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay 5. The Circle Game 6. In France They Kiss on Main St. 7. Coyote 8. Free Man in Paris 9. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 10. Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 11. Furry Sings the Blues 12. God Must Be A Boogie Man 13. Raised on Robbery 14. Why Do Fools Fall In Love? Now that I'm looking at it, you had mentioned "Sweet Sucker Dance", and I apparantly confused it with her duet with Herbie on "Chair In The Sky"...sorry about that. Nonetheless, this CD is well worth having, even though it sounds to me like some of these are from the '79 tour and not from Bread & Roses, but as you can see I don't know enough about it! :~P Mark D, do you know the origin of these various tracks? Bob NP: Jeff Buckley, "Last Goodbye" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:30:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Announcing...Covers Volume 24!! What to get for that hard-to-buy-for relative? Here's something you can bet they don't have! It's Volume 24 of the burgeoning JMDL Covers collection...yes, we now have a volume for every hour of the day (matter of fact, there is more than you could listen to in 24 hours, and I wouldn't recommend it anyway lest your brain turn squishy! First, thanks to the JMDL contributors: Tim Spong Leslie Mixon Catherine Turley Jim Johanson/Wally Breese Now, on to the tracks: 1. Bruce Anthony - The Jungle Line 2. Bruce Anthony - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines 3. Bruce Anthony - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat Bruce is a jazz guitarist/baritone from the Delaware area...these are all tracks from demo tapes, never before released on CD. Love them all, especially Jungle Line. And he cleverly throws in a solo riff from Fiddler's "If I Were A Rich Man" in "Dry Cleaner"...brilliant! Thanks so much Tim!!! 4. Keb' Mo' - Big Yellow Taxi: Keb' is a major Handy-award winning blues talent, if you haven't heard of him check him out. This is a nice soulful funky take on BYT with a cute added vocal from his son. 5. Thom MacFarlane - Edith & The Kingpin: A simple stripped down version from Thom, with a singer-songwriter feel to it. 6. Shawn Colvin - Free Man In Paris: Shawn's performance at Joni's induction to the RnR Hall of fame, this is a very pretty and moving rendition from Shawn with some comments included. Never before released, thanks to Catherine the Shawn-meister! 7. Don Henley - River: This one is available on the Web, and is Henley's performance from the Bridge School Benefits. 8. The Lilac Time - Big Yellow Taxi: Another rare recording, this was included on the Promo CD "Welcome to Hell, Here's Your Accordion". Great Brit-pop from Stephen Duffy, who is famous for starting Duran Duran, then leaving the group right before they broke big. 9. Hal Frazier - Both Sides Now: Another soulful cover, Hal's version of BSN was released on LP in 1969. 10. Milan & Bibiloni - The Circle Game: Very pretty & true to the original version by M&B, who are an Italian guitar duo. This recording was e-mailed to me, and I've lost the name of the sender...so, if you're out there, stand up & take a bow, and thanks! 11. Sue Medley - Raised On Robbery (live): This one's a lot of fun, Sue's a Canadian singer influenced by Bonnie Raitt...she & band nail the tune pretty good including all of Joni's overdubbed harmony vocals! 12. Akiko Pavolka - Goodbye Pork Pie Hat 13. Akiko Pavolka - Amelia I was delighted to stumble upon this CD by Asian jazz singer Pavolka and her wonderful band. She's based in NYC so maybe some of you can check her out live sometime. REALLY nice instrumentation on these 2! 14. The Newcomers - Both Sides Now: Your basic 60's folk trio, nothing overly memorable about their cover of the franchise. 15. Lonnie Knight - For Free: Nice singer-songwriter take on the classic. He must have been able to relate to the subject matter as this was the only cover tune on his album of self-penned songs. 16. Walt Barr - Chelsea Morning: Here's another different twist on Chelsea, Walt's an electric jazz guitarist who turns in a nice "LA Jazz" sound on the song. 17. Keith Jarrett - All I Want: Surprisingly, nothing very creative here from piano virtuouso Jarrett. One of his earlier recordings, it's pretty enough and gets the job done and that's about it. 18. Louis van Dyke/Rogier van Otterloo - Both Sides Now: Scrumptious Dutch Jazz band takes on the franchise with wonderful results...and John, "van Dyke" is how he spelled it on the record jacket! ;~) So there's your Volume 24...hopefully contributors and subscribers have been able to give it a few spins...I'd love to hear what you think! Bob NP: Jeff Buckley, "Dream Brother" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:36:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers 24 - How to Get it Covers 24, like all the Volumes in this seemingly never-ending series, is available to anyone who wishes to send me a blank Music CD & postage or payment for same. Contact me offlist for details. ALSO, if you're feeling as lucky as that Dry Cleaner From Des Moines, maybe you can win a FREE copy!! Coyote Rick was our latest winner, and the CD rendered him SPEECHLESS! ;~) Anyway, give it a shot, you've got nothing to lose as I'll send you a free copy of Covers 24, just for guessing a song that appears on one of Joni's official releases. ***Remember to tell me the song AND the record it appears on as some of her songs appear on more than one.*** I'll run this contest all week to give all you slowpokes a shot, and announce the winner on Saturday. Bob NP: Jeff Buckley, "Dream Brother (Live)" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 10:48:14 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Bread & Roses I can shed some light on this. The first five tracks are from the Bread and Roses Festival, on September 4, 1978. I'm pretty certain this is only a portion of what was performed. I remember reading that Coyote was the first song on that date. Tracks 7 thru 14 were from September 16, 1979, and I think was the last date of the Shadows and Light tour. That date was also apart of the Bread and Roses Festival from 1979. FWIW, I'm pretty certain the '78 selections are from a soundboard, and the '79 performance is definitely a crappy audience recording (it pierces my ears every time I hear Pat Metheny scream out those notes on Coyote). So far I haven't seen anything out there for the '80 show. I would give my left nut for a copy of that! Even though Randy mention that the performance with BB King was anything but sparkling I'd love to check out Joni's duet with Herbie on SSD. Mark > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 08:49:46 EST > To: , > Cc: > Subject: Bread & Roses > > < How can I get it?>> > > There was a CD tree from a couple years back featuring 3 discs: Tokyo '83 > concert (radio broadcast), Wembley '83 (TV broadcast), and "Bread & Roses". > Here's the songlist for the Bread & Roses CD: > > 1. Furry Sings The Blues > 2. Dry Cleaner From Des Moines > 3. Chair In The Sky > 4. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsay > 5. The Circle Game > 6. In France They Kiss on Main St. > 7. Coyote > 8. Free Man in Paris > 9. Goodbye Pork Pie Hat > 10. Dry Cleaner From Des Moines > 11. Furry Sings the Blues > 12. God Must Be A Boogie Man > 13. Raised on Robbery > 14. Why Do Fools Fall In Love? > > Now that I'm looking at it, you had mentioned "Sweet Sucker Dance", and I > apparantly confused it with her duet with Herbie on "Chair In The Sky"...sorry > about that. Nonetheless, this CD is well worth having, even though it sounds > to me like some of these are from the '79 tour and not from Bread & Roses, but > as you can see I don't know enough about it! :~P > > Mark D, do you know the origin of these various tracks? > > Bob > > NP: Jeff Buckley, "Last Goodbye" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:27:55 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Re: picking a beatle njc Singer/songwriter Kate Bennett said, >Everyone picked their favorite Beatle > (kind of like how these days young > girls pick there favorite Back > Street Boy or NSYNC boy). > > Except instead of picking who I > wanted to marry, I picked who I > wanted to be. > I wanted to be George. You got your wish, Kate...... You're fab. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:34:16 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Seed material Wanted I have it on good authority that Joni and Jimi jammed in Montreal and that it was recorded. Previously, details of this meeting came from Jimi's diary, near mentions of Jimi's new TAPE RECORDER. (See Karen's book.) As you will see soon, there is now confirmation from a friend of Joni that this happened and that IT WAS RECORDED. Has anyone heard this? Is this treed among Jimi's fans? Lama ps, I think this is JC, don't you? :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 09:34:52 -0800 From: jan gyn Subject: Fwd: Site: Cat-Scans (njc) > http://www.cat-scan.com/scans.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:49:11 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Remembering Wally Breese I volunteered to compile a Rememberance of Wally Breese for Les'es JMDL site. I now have a 59 page Word document of the posts that followed Wally's passing on the evening of 2/3/00 but I want more about him. I think his Rememberance should include reflections about him personally, about the Kilauren episode, and what he liked about Joni. Since I never met him, I need help from those did. Megan Allen sent a nice essay (off list) about corresponding with Wally before the web was invented. Are others willing to write somthing? (For example, it might be nice to unveil this on the anniversary of his birth. Does anyone know when his birthday is?) Off list or on. Your choice. Thanks. James A. L'Hommedieu cc: Leslie M., Sue Mac, and Les Please pardon the lack of "NJC" tag on this call for contributions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 12:50:01 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Wow NJC You're very welcome, Mike. It's the least I can do. Best always, Fred In a message dated 12/1/01 9:30:00 AM, ink08@hotmail.com writes: >>>At any given moment, everyone is an asshole to someone. Everyone.<< > > > >Thank you Fred for reminding us about this. You're so right. > >Thanks too for your comments earlier on ethnocentric thinking, which I >much enjoyed and agreed with. > >More power to you. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:00:41 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Remembering Wally Breese In a message dated 12/3/01 12:50:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > Does anyone know when his > birthday is?) > FEBRUARY 6 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 09:58:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Kurt Elling and other encounters (njc) WOW oh my, Fred - that was one of the songs that really knocked me out the other night. It is wonderful that your incredible collboration with him is on the new album. I haven't picked up the new one yet so haven't read the credits/liner notes (there was too long a line at the counter but have ordered it from CD Now). I read a bit about it and the reviewers have had somewhat the same comments as you - it's quieter than the last album but VERY special. Kakki > "Flirting with Twilight" is my favorite of Kurt's records so far, but I like > them all. And I would feel this way even if he hadn't included a wonderful > version of a song of mine that he wrote the lyric for, "While You Are Mine," > on the album. He sounds so relaxed ... pure singing joy with absolutely > nothing to prove. > > -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:03:19 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Bread & Roses <> I'll donate a nut to the cause as well, Mark! LOL! Even if it's just for historical reasons, it'd be great to hear. I've said it in this forum before, but for sheer beauty of singing, I've always thought that Joni reached her peak with "Sweet Sucker Dance". If y'all haven't heard that Mingus track in a while, pull it off the shelf and give it a spin and see what I mean. And hey, thanks for the info about that disc...I knew I could count on you! :~) Bob NP: Jeff Buckley, "Yard of Blonde Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:09:17 +0000 From: "Mike QUINN(CMS)" Subject: [none] Just read a short interview with Michael Ball who you may recall has previously covered River. He recently did a 'one man and a piano' show in London. 'I opened with Joni Mitchell's Blue. Two hours of material I'd never performed before.' Later in the interview he was asked who had the most beautiful voice in popular music. 'There are so many. Ella. Aretha. Celine, when she's not screaming. My friend, the Irish singer Brian Kennedy. But out of everyone I think I would have to say Joni. Not the absolute best voice technically, but oh, the life experience it brings to a song.' Back to lurk-mode. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:21:57 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Kurt Elling and other encounters (njc) Thanks, Kakki, so glad you dug the song. You'll love it on the album. I've actually read a few negative reviews from some idiot critics (redundant?) who just don't get it, saying things like "sell out" and "where are the wild-man rants and scats?" What exactly is the problem with taking a diversion, showing range, having something different to say, something more quiet and gentle? Are we to believe that to be intimate is selling out? And just because he has made albums before with wild-man rants and scats, is he then obligated to do so every time out? Critics! (the ultimate epithet in a long barrage of traded insults in Samuel Beckett's "Waiting For Godot") - -Fred Simon In a message dated 12/3/01 12:03:30 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: >WOW oh my, Fred - that was one of the songs that really knocked me out >the other night. It is wonderful that your incredible collboration with him >is on the new album. I haven't picked up the new one yet so haven't read >the credits/liner notes (there was too long a line at the counter but have >ordered it from CD Now). I read a bit about it and the reviewers have >had somewhat the same comments as you - it's quieter than the last album but >VERY special. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:30:45 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Zappa on critics (njc) In a message dated 12/3/01 1:23:37 PM, FredNow@aol.com writes: << I've actually read a few negative reviews from some idiot critics (redundant?) who just don't get it >> "Rock Journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read" --Frank Zappa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 14:25:25 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2002- Some updates!! Hi everyone! There have been lots of questions about forms and other things, so I will try to answer some of them here. 1) Please fill out as much as you can on the online form now, and add things as you know them. (Flight info, etc.) The most important thing right now is all the accommodation information, as I am assigning rooms as the deposits come in. Please remember to click "Save All Information" at the very bottom of the page EACH time you change any information. Please DO NOT send this form to me hard copy. 2) DO print out the release form, sign it, and mail the hard copy to me at: Ashara Stansfield 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 USA This is an absolute requirement!! I need to have this form from EVERY person that attends, including friends or significant others. Click on "this form" at the end of the release to print out the form. 3) Don't forget to sign up for the Northeast Jonifest mailing list by sending a blank e-mail message to: NortheastJonifest-subscribe@yahoogroups.com 4) Please don't forget to add an extra 5% if you choose to pay by Paypal. This needs to happen EACH time you make a payment. 5) A reminder that the checks for the donations for Les should be made out directly to him, Les Irvin, and sent to me. 6) Please check the Question and Answer section periodically for updates. As I receive questions, I will try to add to that section because others may have the same questions. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ACCOMMODATION UPDATE: The cottages are now gone. Please choose another accommodation when you make your choices. The only rooms left that have private baths are in Morningstar Lodge, which is up near the Performance Space, and I am guessing will be the more late-night crowd. There are still rooms available with shared baths in both Valley View and Northern Lights. A reminder, if it is important to you to have a room with a bed as opposed to a camping spot, please make sure you get your deposits in as soon as possible! - ------------------------------------------------------------------- IMPORTANT WEBSITES: Information and sign up for the Northeast Back to the Garden Jonifest 2002: http://www.jmdl.com/Jonifest2002 The Full Moon website: http://www.fullmooncentral.com/ The JMDL Full Moon website, with pictures and explanations of accommodations, and more! http://www.jmdl.com/fullmoon.cfm These 2 sites are now available as a link on the main Jonfest page. - -------------------------------------------------- I know all of this is a lot of info, and a lot of filling out right now, but suffice it to say, it is necessary to run a smooth Jonifest! Thanks for your ever-enduring patience! A very HUGE THANK YOU to Les, who has spent countless hours with me, setting up the Jonifest webpage, forms, and database. My job is 1,000% easier this year because of him. And lastly, at least 5 people from our JMDL community have been laid off in the past week or so, and many people will need help getting to Jonifest this year. If you can possibly make a donation to the Scholarship Fund for Jonifest, even if you are not planning on attending, it will be greatly appeciated. Thank you!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:24:00 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc&long)Warning: Brame's Appointment & "Taliban" in the USA Hi, all, Sorry about the length of this and my not fixing the formatting, but my hands were shaking already before I read it, and then... -- Scary reading indeed. - -- Walt Subject: ALERT: bigot and homophobe appointment being considered for NLRB > >BUSH PREPARED TO NOMINATE 'BIBLICAL LAW' ACTIVIST J. > ROBERT BRAME TO NATIONAL LABOR RELATIONS >BOARD > > BRAME HAS TIES TO GROUPS THAT OPPOSE >WOMEN'S > RIGHTS, REJECT DEMOCRACY AND BELIEVE GAYS >SHOULD BE > EXECUTED > > According to media sources, President George >W. Bush appears ready to > nominate J. Robert Brame III to serve as a >member of the National Labor > Relations Board (NLRB), despite Brame's >long-standing leadership of > religious-political extremist groups on the >farthest fringes of the Religious > Right. > > Brame has served as a top official of >American Vision, an Atlanta-based > group that seeks to replace America's >secular democracy with a "Christian" > regime based on "biblical law," including >enforcement of the harsh legal > code of the Old Testament. He has also >served as an advisor to the > Plymouth Rock Foundation, a Plymouth, Mass., >group with similar views. > > Brame recently resigned from the American >Vision board after the group's > controversial agenda became public. Though >Brame served on the board > since at least 1994, he told The Wall Street >Journal that he was unaware of > American Vision's extreme views. > > American Vision has described democracy as >"the first step toward > fascism," argues that women must be >subordinate to men and insists that > the Bible requires the death penalty for >gays. > > Americans United for Separation of Church >and State, a national > church-state watchdog organization, said >Brame's service with these > groups, which are affiliated with the >so-called "Christian Reconstructionist" > movement, should disqualify him from a post >in government. > > "Brame and his allies seek to impose a harsh >Christian theocracy on the > nation," said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, >executive director of Americans > United. "Someone with such radical political >views should automatically be > disqualified from holding public office. > > "Once members of the Senate get a look at >Brame's record, his chances > for confirmation will quickly evaporate," >Lynn added. "Brame's ties to > radical groups are indefensible." > > To illustrate the radical nature of Brame's >views, Lynn pointed to the > extremist positions of American Vision (AV), >which Brame has helped lead > through long-time service on the group's >five-member Board of Directors: > > On theocracy: Christian Reconstructionists >reject democracy and advocate > theocracy. In the June 1999 issue of >American Vision's Biblical Worldview > magazine, an AV representative wrote, "We've >been told that Christians > cannot impose their religious beliefs on >others. Since heaven is at stake, > we have no choice. There is no hope outside >of Jesus Christ." > > On democracy: The June 1999 issue of AV's >Biblical Worldview magazine > described democracy as "the first step >toward fascism." > > On women's role in families: American Vision >insists that the Bible requires > male leadership in society. In the September >1999 issue of Biblical > Worldview, an AV author wrote that women >fall between men and animals > in the "God-ordained order." AV places "God >above all, man joyfully under > God, woman lovingly under man, and the >animals at bottom." AV has also > said that women should not serve in the >military. > > On women in the judiciary: The Plymouth Rock >Foundation, which Brame > has worked with through service on its >advisory council, opposed Sandra > Day O'Connor's nomination to the Supreme >Court because, in their view, it > is wrong for a woman to sit in judgment over >men. > > On homosexuality and the death penalty: >Reconstructionist groups such as > those Brame is involved with maintain that >under biblical law, homosexuals > must be executed. According to one American >Vision text, "The law that > requires the death penalty for homosexual >acts effectually drives the > perversion of homosexuality underground, >back to the closet, to the dark > realm of shameful activity." Also, in >October 2000, an AV publication called > homosexuality "a sin worthy of death." > > On gays in Congress: In the September 1999 >issue of the group's Biblical > Worldview, an AV author referred to openly >gay Rep. Tammy Baldwin > (D-Wis.) as a "lesbian Congressthing." > > On non-Christian dissenters: American Vision >argues that once its > worldview is enacted as government policy, >dissenters would have to > submit to its draconian version of >Christianity. "Non-Christians would not be > forced to become Christians, but they would >have to obey laws that came > from the Bible," according to one AV text. >"This would mean that > homosexuality and abortion, for example, >could not be claimed as 'civil > rights.' They would be crimes." > > On Judaism: American Vision sells a book >titled, "The Days of Vengeance," > which says, "The god of Judaism is the >devil." The book also describes > Judaism as a "demonic religion." > > On American history: AV materials take a >revisionist approach to history, > insisting that the United States was founded >as a "Christian nation." In one > book, AV asserts that the Constitution was >designed to afford protection to > Christianity only and not other faiths. "The >First Amendment had the > specific purpose of excluding all rivalry >among Christian denominations," > the group says. "Other competing religions >were not protected by the First > Amendment." > > "Brame makes Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson >look liberal," said AU's > Lynn, who wrote to Bush in October, urging >him not to nominate such a > divisive figure to the NLRB. > > Concluded Lynn, "The groups Brame is >associated with seek to impose > their version of 'biblical law' on all of >us, and they want to use the > government to further those goals. These >views are so counter to American > ideals that it is difficult to imagine a >proponent of this radical philosophy > serving in any important public trust." > > Americans United is a religious liberty >watchdog group based in > Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the >organization educates Americans > about the importance of church-state >separation in safeguarding religious > freedom. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:39:03 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Modern-day Witch Hunt Hi, all, I seem to be just full of good news today (first Bush's nomination of Brame, now this), but a friend of mine who was planning a trip to Nepal, then hesitated becuase of the political unrest there, has now canceled her trip there because women are being tortured and murdered as witches there now. I'm not making this up (I wish I were). You can check it out at www.nepalnews.com (the 11/8/01 issue), or drop me a line off-list and I'll send you a copy of the article in question. Sigh. Please pray, or think good thoughts, or whatever you do, for the sanity of the world today. concerned, walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 16:48:21 EST From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: 100 Greatest Women of Music sjc According to Q Magazine 1. Polly Harvey 2. Madonna 3. Kate Bush 4. Tori Amos 5. BjC6rk 6. Debbie Harry 7. Siouxsie Sioux 8. Joni Mitchell 9. Stevie Nicks 10. Janis Joplin 11. Aretha Franklin 12. Shirley Manson (Garbage) 13. Elizabeth Fraser (Cocteau Twins) 14. Courtney Love 15. Dusty Springfield 16. Chrissie Hynde 17. Patti Smith 18. Alanis Morissette 19. Sheryl Crow 20. Kylie Minogue 21. Dido 22. Missy Elliott 23. Gwen Stefani (No Doubt) 24. Britney Spears 25. Allison Goldfrapp 26. Kim Deal (Pixies) 27. Billie Holiday 28. Dolly Parton 29. Sinead ObConnor 30. Diana Ross 31. Nina Simone 32. Fiona Apple 33. Carole King 34. Kim Gordon (Sonic Youth) 35. Emmylou Harris 36. Kirsty MacColl 37. Frida Lyngstad & Agnetha FC$ltskog (Abba) 38. Suzanne Vega 39. Nico 40. Ella Fitzgerald 41. Marianne Faithfull 42. Aimee Mann 43. Roberta Flack 44. Sharleen Spiteri 45. Cerys Matthews 46. Mariah Carey 47. Yoko Ono 48. Toyah Wilcox 49. Donna Summer 50. Sade 51. Justine Frischmann (Elastica) 52. Mary J Blige 53. Beth Gibbons 54. Anne & Nancy Wilson (Heart) 55. Bonnie Raitt 56. Tina Turner 57. Joan Armatrading 58. Cher 59. Beth Orton 60. Roisin Murphy (Moloko) 61. Nelly Furtado 62. Macy Gray 63. Gladys Knight 64. Natalie Merchant 65. Tracy Chapman 66. Shania Twain 67. Lilb Kim 68. Bessie Smith 69. Grace Slick 70. PP Arnold 71. Whitney Houston 72. Janet Jackson 73. Pat Benatar 74. Shelby Lynne 75. Cyndi Lauper 76. Grace Jones 77. Destinybs Child 78. DbArcy Wretsky (The Smashing Pumpkins) 79. Annie Lennox 80. Laurie Anderson 81. Sandy Denny 82. Suzi Quatro 83. Spice Girls 84. Alicia Keys 85. Ronnie Spector 86. Neneh Cherry 87. Andrea, Sharon & Caroline Corr (The Corrs) 88. Maureen Tucker (The Velvet Underground) 89. kd lang 90. The Slits 91. Girlschool 92. Aaliyah 93. Laura Nyro 94. Etta James 95. Karen Carpenter 96. Alison Moyet 97. Lucinda Williams 98. Salt-N-Pepa 99. The Go-Gos 100. Sister Bliss (Faithless) B B B B B B ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:00:44 EST From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Patti Boyd - most serenaded woman in pop? (NJC) And George used to refer to himself and Clapton as "husbands in law". Fauchja ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:33:54 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Bread & Roses I totally agree that Sweet Sucker Dance is really the peak of Joni's singing capability. Listen to how her voice becomes another woodwind. If you don't like that album at all surely that's the song that you can at least but on a mix tape or CD. Mark > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Reply-To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 13:03:19 EST > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: Bread & Roses > > < with BB King was anything but sparkling I'd love to check out Joni's duet with > Herbie on SSD.>> > > I'll donate a nut to the cause as well, Mark! LOL! Even if it's just for > historical reasons, it'd be great to hear. I've said it in this forum before, > but for sheer beauty of singing, I've always thought that Joni reached her > peak with "Sweet Sucker Dance". If y'all haven't heard that Mingus track in a > while, pull it off the shelf and give it a spin and see what I mean. > > And hey, thanks for the info about that disc...I knew I could count on you! > :~) > > Bob > > NP: Jeff Buckley, "Yard of Blonde Girls" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:31:50 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: distress, njc My dear friends. I need your help or at the very least your support. As I have told you all before I live in oblivion, very rural. Homophobic and backward. This might not be the arena in which to expess this but I am very upset and alone and have no one to turn to. My homosexuality is not something that I am ashamed of and when I lived in the city I hid it from no one. Can't do that here, it would get me killed, not to mention make me completely unemployable and ruin what life I have. I am here taking care of my elderly parents or would have left years ago. Guess you could say that I am in the closet here though I plead with you to not judge me or my decisions concerning this for I can only do what I feel is right. Years ago when I was younger I was in a parked car with another guy. 19 years old I was. We were exploring sexually. I make no excuses and should have known better but was just looking for love. Some may laugh at my stupidity et/or my plight though it was and is not funny for me. We weren't doing much but a policeman pulled up and then we were arrested. Being from a middle class family and having never been in any kind of trouble I was very scared. It did not help that they were less than kind in interrogating us in the middle of the area. Handcuffed me and off to jail we went. The scene was out of a movie for me. They booked me, fingerprinted me, and told me that I had two options. Plead guilty and get out with a fine or go to court. The latter was made to sound as if I would be convicted for sure and then be sent to prison. My naivete' and fear took over and I opted to plead guilty. I called a friend and he bailed me out. I did not know how stupid my decision was for I have been saddled with a record ever since. Homosexual conduct. Not real easy to get jobs when the employers read that. They don't even give you a chance. Pervert, wierdo, sicko, fag, homo. The arresting officer told me that if I had been with a girl, they would have just sent us home. But I wasn't. I was with a boy, showing love. How terrible. How awful. How wrong. It didn't feel wrong and I have never once felt as if I was doing anything wrong that night. I am a nurse and a good one. I have worked at my job for 12 years now and have accomplished much in this little town. The facility was sold today. The new owner made it a point to say he would be conducting criminal checks. You can imagine the horror that went through me. Sure, in a perfect world I could stand up and say that it is no problem. I could defiantly state my homosexuality and they could be damned. Not in central Texas. Not in this little town. When they find out, they will destroy me. I would imagine that termination will be the first order of business. Then they will spread the news across the town like wildfire. Though a strong person, I am afraid. I don't know what to do. What am I going to do with my parents? They will be humiliated to the utmost degree. I don't really care what they think about me, not ashamed of who I am but don't know what to do next. Jobs for perverts are not easy to find around here and that is exactly what they consider people like me. I am looking everywhere inside my soul for an answer, for strength, for direction. I know that ultimately the decisions that I have to make are entirely my own but that doesn't make them any easier. This will seem ever so silly to those of you who live in parts of the world where homosexuals have options but that is not here. Please be thinking of me as I face my own struggle. I needed to vent and you have allowed me to do so. Thank you. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:01:05 EST From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Joni Producer Hey Dan! Is this Dan of registrar baseball fame? Scott told me you were thinking of doing this and I expected to see you on the list soon. This is the best place to get info about Joni. And what a great topic for a dissertation! Joni has actually said some things in interviews about being her own producer. From what I can tell, it was fairly unprecedented at the time. Part of the reason she had David Crosby work with her on STAS was because he let her do it her way. I can remember reading a bunch of quotes about it in that bad Joni Mitchell biography "Both Sides Now". Lots of Joni quotes there about everything. Also on the JMDL website there are articles and interviews galore. But I'm sure you'll hear plenty from everyone around here : ) tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 17:02:09 -0800 From: "Bill O'Neill" Subject: The discussion also included Regina said she would coordinate that with Brad at a future meeting. Student Representative Candidates Allison and Huy discussed their possible involvement with the committee. They indicated a strong desire to impact the student environment in the following areas: The need for some form of social life; Fraternity, Student Body, etc. This discussion included items such as the benefits that students, particularly new students, might receive from the support of such a social network. Used book sales. Student Web Site. A Student Council/Ombudsman. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of having.bat] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:05:45 EST From: TanyerSCO@aol.com Subject: Re:Gregg Cagno's folk gig NJC Hi Rose! Could you let me know the next time you go? It sounds great and I'm in the area. I'm actually from New Brunswick although I now live in NYC. Thanks for sharing. tanya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:35:49 EST From: Shnootre@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Producer Tanya, Yes, it's the same me! Wow - figured I'd meet a friend here. Scott also did mention that he knows For The Roses by heart on piano - he says that's your favorite. Cool! Haven't read the Hinton book but I've heard only bad about it. In contrast, I thought the O'Brien book that just came out in England was quite good. She covers the Crosby-as-producer angle well, and it's exactly as you say. Joni somehow broke in with complete creative control over just about everything. This isn't entirely shocking, given the fact that this was the time when rock music (and by extension the singer-songwriters) were being seen for the first time as artists more than mere entertainers. Still, it was just the beginning of this mentality c. '68. James Taylor, if Ian Halperin's quite embarrassing biography can be trusted on ANYTHING (I certainly doubt, for instance, that Carly Simon was dating Picasso in 1980!) didn't start out that way. (Found out too late about Timothy White's bio - but will consult it at some point). The JMDL website has been a great source for me already - the record reviews in particular have been invaluable. Discussions here have been interesting as well. Particularly enjoyed the modal/tonal thread a few days ago. Best, dan s. (of registrar baseball fame indeed - let's see someone figure THAT out!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:37:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: distress, njc but mack!!!!! i am sure that there are laws that protect you from that kind of discrimination. in fact, it may be a crime on the part of your new employer to do what he said that he is going to do. is homosexuality still a crime in your state? that happened more than 20 years ago. are you sure that you can't get your record clean on some basis? on the personal side of this predicament, well, i don't know that i will be of much help. but i believe that secrecy in these matters gives more power to the oppressor. and this is coming from someone who lived years and years of military dictatorship and genocide. maybe you should be more flexible about how private you want to be. your parents may be better prepared to take this situation if they know what they're going to have to deal with. it's not go8ing to kill them, believe me. i'm not taking your troubles lightly, but sometimes one tends to view these matters more dramatically than one really should. on the other hand, you must remember that you have my unconditional support whatever your decision and the outcome of this situation may be. love, wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 20:01:57 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Announcing...Covers Volume 24!! This is one of the best ones yet! I love it Bob there are so many of the songs on here that I really like alot. You know there is a spot reserved for you somewhere in Joni heaven. Paz on 12/3/01 6:30 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > What to get for that hard-to-buy-for relative? Here's something you can bet > they don't have! It's Volume 24 of the burgeoning JMDL Covers > collection...yes, we now have a volume for every hour of the day (matter of > fact, there is more than you could listen to in 24 hours, and I wouldn't > recommend it anyway lest your brain turn squishy! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:20:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Announcing...Covers Volume 24!! << This is one of the best ones yet! I love it Bob there are so many of the songs on here that I really like alot. >> Thanks, Michael...maybe you can snag that Jungle Line arrangement and work up a version for the next Fest! It's even in our baritone range! :~) Bob NP: Joni, "Talk To Me" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:25:26 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: abundance I completely understand!! Well, you know when you love someone you want the rest of the world to know just how great this person is. You want to share and spread the "news".....so in a public place all the better. I paid the DJ a few bucks on the side to sneak some Joni in at My niece's wedding reception a few weeks ago. I was on freakin cloud 9 when Help Me blasted out. (the jack helped too) My niece came on to the dance floor and eased her way over to me and winked,whispered in my ear.."amazing coincidence how Joni "shows up" when your around." Still trying to convert her, Bree >hearing joni unexpected is like a drug. >hearing joni in public, when someone else put her on . . . fills my body >and >soul. > >hearing joni unexpected is like swirling with patterns of flowers and, oh. >. >. > >I am just free associating here. >Y'all know what I am talking about? > >Hi everyone!!!!!! > >Marianne > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #572 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?