From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #571 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 571 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: smoking (NJC) [colin ] RE: Somerset Maugham NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: re George Harrison (NJC) [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: smoking (NJC) [pyramus@lineone.net] Desert Island Discs [pyramus@lineone.net] information on joni needed [sam ] Joni Producer [Shnootre@aol.com] Re: re George Harrison (NJC) [colin ] Re: smoking (NJC) [colin ] Re: Desert Island Discs [colin ] Joni:Painting w/ words and music [YORK48CAD@aol.com] picking a beatle njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Per que no catala? (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] re: abundance [ZZScotty@aol.com] Re: picking a beatle njc ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: George H. and Oded F.(njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Child Abuse? (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: abundance ["Kakki" ] Re: Child Abuse? (njc) [colin ] Gregg Cagno's folk gig sjc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Rock Master Class [Randy Remote ] Re: Rock Master Class [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] I Wish I Knew Who Did that River... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Portrait of a Leg End (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: Rock Master Class [Randy Remote ] Re: Portrait of a Leg End (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: I Wish I Knew Who Did that River...and Neil Y ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 10:45:56 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: smoking (NJC) > Suddenly, a four or five year old girl burst out of the coffee shop with her > mother in tow and shouted, "Don't smoke!" (Excuse me? What ever happened to > respect for elders?) This child's pinhead of a mother just stood proudly by > as my friend, the mother in this situation is the one who needs to be educated. poor child being manipulated in this way is dreadful. i wonder why fat people are not attacked in this way. I wonder why someone eating a chocoalte bar, or a doughnut or a piece of red meat is not harangued in this way! Can you imagine it? walking around the supermarket and having some haelth nazi chatise you when you buy something ready packaged or cake or whatever? not likely to happen because although much money is involved with tobacco, even more is involved with the food industry and most of the food industry produce crap. good tasting crap but crap none the less. If people actually took notice and stopped smoking and eating crap, we'd be bankrupt as countries very quickly, unemployment would be enormous...well the west would collapse. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:13:30 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Somerset Maugham NJC mmmmmmmmm... that's such a good question! you mean there are 8 apart from the first person narrators in his novels? i know which one i am this week, though: julia lambert form ''theatre''. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mike Pritchard Enviado el: Sabado, 01 de Diciembre de 2001 12:25 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: list Asunto: Somerset Maugham NJC >>wallyK, born to be a maugham character<< Yes, but which one? Apart from the characters he invented and wrote about, Maugham himself was said to be the basis for fictional characters in 8 novels written by other authors. Anybody care to name them? Wally? mike npimh - 'The McGarrigle Hour' - Heartburn (Rufus W) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 11:54:31 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Re: re George Harrison (NJC) <> >colin Thank you for your reply Colin. You have explained yourself clearly and intelligently and I have a better grasp of your views now. I agree with you, people should not be made to feel bad because they smoke. I support everybody's right to chose what they want to do or say as long as they do not affect the freedom of choice of others. No one should tell you not to smoke, as you say that is your business and yours alone. <> That is true. I have no fear of death. In fact the only thing I fear in life is ill health. <> I don't eat butter or margerine, drink skimmed milk, don't smoke and drink alcohol infrequently but not because I think I will live longer. I have made the choice not to because I feel healthier. However I am not deluded into thinking I will necessarily live longer as a result. I may do, I may not. I may also be hit by a bus tomorrow. :) Those people who believe it when doctors say they won't get ill and die because they don't smoke are deluding themselves. << life should be lived to the full, each day enjoyed because none of us know if this day is our last and because we are damned lucky just to be alive. We do not have a right to health or to life. we are lucky if we have them.>> Well said. Life is not a right, it is a gift. <> I'm terribly sorry about that Colin. That is too young to die of anything. I'm not one of the anti-smoking lobby. Personally I cannot agree with people who have smoked for 30 years and then take the cigarette companies to court because they 'weren't told it was dangerous.' I remember watching an old Bette Davis film a few weeks ago. In those films everyone smoked. Revealingly when she offered the male lead a cigarette he said. "I shouldn't really, they are very bad for you, you know."...and this was in the 1940's.!! Anyway, I digress. If people wish to smoke that's fine. Everybody need a little 'Medicine' sometimes. My concern is for those who, due to peer pressure do not always recognize the dangers of starting i.e. children. The only way to educate them of the dangers is through advertising. I've enjoyed this discussion. Kevin. N.P. Eddie Reader - Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:23:17 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Re: smoking (NJC) < --Bob>> ..and the cycle of bad manners will continue. Better to educate both to the woman and the child in the error of their ways in a kind and polite manner and hope upon hope that something rubs off. I agree with you Bob, that incident was particularly nasty but I think the smoking issue is a smokescreen(!). I too have been horrified recently by the bad manners of women and their children, ranging from kids eating chocolate in the supermarket before goods have been paid for to pushing in queues and vandalising trains, all in full view of parents with nothing said. People really do let their children 'frisk like deer'. Part of the general malaise maybe. The trouble these days is if you try and educate people to do the right thing you are accused of moralising or being 'PC'. Oh well. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 12:35:40 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Desert Island Discs The author Ken Follett has just appeared on Desert Island Discs on BBC Radio 2 in the U.K. They have just played Big Yellow Taxi as one of Ken's choices with the following conversation between the interviewer Michael Parkinson and the interviewee which I have transcribed for your amusement. Parkinson: It's a daft song that. I've always thought that it was a silly song. It's kind of very reminiscent of a time and era in music isn't it? Follett: Yes that's right, it was really a sort of ...ummm... it was really radical thinking to think it was wrong to build car parks....(both laugh) ...that was being very very left wing in those days. So there you go. Henceforth Joni's BYT should be referred to as her left wing anti car-park song :) Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 08:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: sam Subject: information on joni needed Hey everyone, I'm new to this list, and, to introduce myself, I'm Sam, and I'm 14, and I'm a fan of Joni's music. For an English project, I have to write a fictional story about Joni Mitchell, making her look heroic. I've decided to write something to do with when she would protest for the environment, and about the meaning of 'Big Yellow Taxi'. But heres the thing: I need more information. I'm finding it very hard to find sites with information on them. What I need is to know how these protests would happen, how many people there would be there (approx.), what time period they were, WHERE they were (thats a big one I need), and anything else that might be helpful for me to write a story with. So if anyone could help me, I would -really- appreciate it. ANY information is welcome, and not to sound pushy or anything negative, but I need this information as soon as possible. Preferably before the weekend is over, (it's Sunday... err.. sorry). Thank you, Sam _______________________________________________________ Build your own website in minutes and for free at http://ca.geocities.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 09:39:17 EST From: Shnootre@aol.com Subject: Joni Producer Greetings, I'll introduce myself, since this is my first post (been lurking for a few weeks). My name's Dan Sonenberg, I'm a composer and long-time Joni fan, and I'm actually currently working on my dissertation which is on, you guessed it, Joni Mitchell (particularly Court and Spark). Now, my question: As of Joni's second album she was her own producer. I'm wondering how common this was for recording artists in that time period in general, and singer-songwriters in particular. I know that James Taylor and Carole King didn't produce their own albums. What were the precedents for this, if any? I believe Stevie Wonder was his own producer, but I'm not sure if that only began with his new Motown deal in the early 70s (which gave him much artistic freedom). Thanks! dan s. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:41:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: re George Harrison (NJC) > I support everybody's right to chose what they want to do or say as long as they do not affect the freedom of choice of others. i make a point of not smoking in company that orefers me not to. I hate smoky places so can only imagine what it must be like for a non smoker. > > > > That is true. I have no fear of death. In fact the only thing I fear in life is ill health. yes me too. it is the manner of death that bothers me and a long illness too. i hate the idea of being dependant and not being able to do as i please. > > > <> > I don't eat butter or margerine, drink skimmed milk, but fat it self is not bad for you. there is much research now that suggests that it is fat in combo with carbs that causes the problems. (since people have been persuaded to eat high carb/low fat, the obesity rates and heart disease rates have gone up) > don't smoke and drink alcohol infrequently but not because I think I will live longer. don't drink at all but again reasearcg suggests that drinking 2 glasses of red winee(yuk) a day protects from heart disease and possibly cancer! > > > < > > Well said. Life is not a right, it is a gift. well I am not sure about that one either! how is life a gift for those who suffer all thru it, like children badly neglected and abused or thru famine etc. although it opens up a whole other can of wroms, i think life might have been a choice. it's the only way i can think of us having free will. if we had no choice about having physical life, then there is no free will. I realsie this is very short for such a subject! > > > <> > > I'm terribly sorry about that Colin. That is too young to die of anything. yes but it happens everyday. he was happy to go, he said he had no regrets. > > > I'm not one of the anti-smoking lobby. Personally I cannot agree with people who have smoked for 30 years and then take the cigarette companies to court because they 'weren't told it was dangerous.' I agree-it is ridiculous. tho maybe we should eb able to sue those drug pushersi,e the booze industry. > I remember watching an old Bette Davis film a few weeks ago. In those films everyone smoked. Revealingly when she offered the male lead a cigarette he said. "I shouldn't really, they are very bad for you, you know."...and this was in the 1940's.!! no bette smoked like a chimney and was old old when she popped her clogs. > > > Anyway, I digress. If people wish to smoke that's fine. Everybody need a little 'Medicine' sometimes. My concern is for those who, due to peer pressure do not always recognize the dangers of starting i.e. children. The only way to educate them of the dangers is through advertising. yes. I am not sure it works tho. i started thru 'peer pressure'. i had plenty of anti smoking influence too. one of our teachers had a wife with emphasema(sp?) and he went on and on about the prils of smoking. me and my firedns still did it. The trouble is young people don't believe they can die. death is a long long way off. One reason why so many young people, espe boys, drive like idiots. they have no fear of death. I think it isn't till we undertsand our own mortality, really get it, whoich is usally about mid 30's that we begin to understand and take less risks. unfortunately a habit like smoking is very difficult to stop. I have been thru benzodiazipine withdrawl which was appalling, frightening and truly the worst, yet I have not been able to quit smoking! > > > I've enjoyed this discussion. mw too. bw colin > > > Kevin. > > N.P. Eddie Reader - Medicine - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:45:54 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: smoking (NJC) > to pushing in queues i hate it wehn people don't allow you to pass thru a door before they try to! I don't know if it is for the sake of brevity, but have you noticed that on USA tv shows no one says hello or good bye on the phone? I also notice that customers do not say please or thank you. Perhaps that isn' the way people in genral are but perhaps tv and film is one reason why people are becoming less polite?(I am aware that it appears like I am bashing the uSA and manners because I site American tv-but really we don't have much else to watch!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 15:46:59 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Desert Island Discs > Parkinson: It's a daft song that. I've always thought that it was a silly song. It's kind of very reminiscent of a time and era in music isn't it? I think this shows Parky to be daft! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:52:16 EST From: YORK48CAD@aol.com Subject: Joni:Painting w/ words and music Hi to all, I was watching my video, Painting with Words and music, again yesterday, and once again marveled at the set. I wondered again, WHO are these lucky people who got to attend???? Was it any of you??? This video is so special to me, as the setlist is so similar to the concert I was lucky enough to attend. Makes me cry evertime. A cold and stormy day in northern California, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 10:20:43 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: picking a beatle njc LOL. I remember. Everyone picked there favorite Beatle (kind of like how these days young girls pick there favorite Back Street Boy or NSYNC boy). Except instead of picking who I wanted to marry, I picked who I wanted to be. I wanted to be George. >when I was 5 or 6 years old my girlfriends and I would play house (or something) and each would have to pick a Beatle for a husband. I ALWAYS thought George was so very handsome and picked him (which was no problem.... all my friends fought over Paul).< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:57:58 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Per que no catala? (njc) Hi, all, Mike in Barcelona said: <> Huh? Why on earth would the WB give a poop one way or the other, especially since it would have (a) been a free deal for them and (b) it would have made the movie accessible to more people. Would the Spanish government have had something to do with this? (I don't remember, Mike, whether you speicifed whether it was the Spanish or Catalonian government [does such exist, say, as a provincial entity?] that offered to pay for it.) It just doesn't make sense to me. At least here in the U.S., one doesn't hear much about Catalonian separatism, and I've heard *nothing* about any Catalonian terrorism (as opposed to a certain *other* ethnic group that straddles the French/Spanish borders). Confused and curious, as ever, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:18:40 EST From: ZZScotty@aol.com Subject: re: abundance I heard some guy covering River on a tv commercial today - during one of the NFL games. It was a public relations gig that circuit city is doing for the troops overseas. Just hearing it was a rush. Anyone know who sings it? Sean in Denver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:23:00 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: picking a beatle njc I remember what a big deal it was. We came home from church services on Sunday night and they were supposed to be on that night. I was six. We always, always, watched the same things every Sunday night. Ed Sullivan, Have Gun Will Travel, and then Bonanza. They were great and we were amazed at that hair. We had a couple of boys at our church who had hair that length and they were thought of as real rebels, and bad boys, because of their hair. Looking at pictures now, it was not long at all and seems so silly. I liked the Beatle sound and thought Paul was so cute. Years later I would realize it was George who was the cute one and had all the sex appeal. I wasn't old enough or far enough advanced to pick a favorite Beatle at that time, though later it would be Lennon, but for those in my grade we were gaga about the Monkees, a few years later. They were all the rage and, remember, everyone was comparing them to the Beatles. I liked Mike. That was in the 5th grade. The song Judy in Disguise was hot and I always thought they were saying Judy in the Skies. Liked it even though had little to no clue what it meant. Ah, the sixties. Remember them very fondly and reminiscing is rather sad now. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Bennett" To: Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: picking a beatle njc > LOL. I remember. Everyone picked there favorite Beatle (kind of like how > these days young girls pick there favorite Back Street Boy or NSYNC boy). > Except instead of picking who I wanted to marry, I picked who I wanted to > be. I wanted to be George. > > >when I was 5 or 6 years old my girlfriends and I would > play house (or something) and each would have to pick a Beatle > for a husband. I ALWAYS thought George was so > very handsome and picked him (which was no problem.... > all my friends fought over Paul).< > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 13:24:45 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: abundance Guess that means Joni sold the rights for that song. Don't like that but it is her right, though it still bothers me, that they use these great tunes for advertisements. mack > I heard some guy covering River on a tv commercial today - during one of the > NFL games. It was a public relations gig that circuit city is doing for the > troops overseas. Just hearing it was a rush. Anyone know who sings it? > > Sean in Denver ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:42:15 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: George H. and Oded F.(njc) In a message dated 12/2/01 12:08:03 AM, Laura wrote: << Have you seen Oded Fehr from 'The Mummy' and NBC's UC: Uncercover tv program. He looks very much like a young George Harrison.... especially so when he's sporting a beard. http://members.tripod.de/ofas/ >> That's *exactly* what I thought when I first saw him -- I even wondered if he could be George's son from an early marriage. In any case, pardon me while I swoon. (blushing) Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 14:51:29 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Child Abuse? (njc) Bob Murphy wrote: <> Un-freaking-believable, Bob! As you know, I'm a non-smoker, but my main squeeze is a smoker, as are many of my friends. I've never known *any* of them to do anything as rude as the incident you describe (and I'm obviously not blaming the child), but I once lived under people who would scream and cry whenever anyone visiting lit one up ***outside*** the house, sometimes even calling the landlords, who were 3000 miles away. But at least they didn't send their fox terriers downstairs to complain for them! Sheesh, what a world. fondly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:08:55 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: abundance I was surprised to finally catch this the other night on TV. It sounds like Robert Downey Jr. but I think someone here (maybe Bob) posted it was sung by someone else. Maybe Joni thought it was a good use - for a good cause - Circuit City is using it in conjunction with their campaign to have people send free holiday video greetings and messages to the troops stationed overseas. Sure it gets people in the stores, but I also thought it was a very sweet idea. Kakki > Guess that means Joni sold the rights for that >song. Don't like that but it is her right, though >it still bothers me, that they use these great >tunes for advertisements. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 20:22:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Child Abuse? (njc) > but I once lived under people who would scream and > cry whenever anyone visiting lit one up ***outside*** the house, sometimes > even calling the landlords, who were 3000 miles away. was this Belview? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 15:47:18 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Gregg Cagno's folk gig sjc Last night Nikki, Brian and I went to see Gregg Cagno perform at The Mine Street Coffeehouse in New Brunswick, NJ. Mine Street is one of New Jersey's oldest running acoustic music venues that is housed in the basement of the First Reformed Church. Funny how I never knew about it before. I'm just now rediscovering New Brunswick and all of the performing arts it has to offer. Joan Baez is performing at the State Theater there this month. The gig was purely acoustical, no mics. Some of you have had the pleasure of meeting Gregg this year at JoniFest2001. I know Paul met Gregg on the Folktrain to Saskatoon. Thanks for pointing him our way Paul ;~) Such an incredible talent.This was my first real folk gig that I've ever attended. What a sweet room. The walls were made of beautiful colored stone and brick. A very old historical church. I was delighted with it's intimate charm. I got to daydreaming about how Joni and other folkies had begun playing in coffeehouse venues like this one. I am simply enthralled by the stories we've gotten from Pat Henry Bolland (and a few others that please forgive me I can't remember your names) of those good old coffeehouse daze. Thanks for introducing me to the world of Newbieland Gregg! Gregg opened his set with George Harrison's "Here Comes The Sun" He also did a wonderful rendition of "River" that was dedicated to Brie by Mags, as well as "All I Want" soon to be followed by my own personal request "Close Your Eyes" and "Sweet Baby James" by JT. Gregg also played a few country tunes and was accompanied by vocals by the lovely Maggie Anderson. It was a real pleasure meeting you Maggie! The gig was soon over and we left the church only to discover that Gregg had a flat tire (aaarrrggghhh) We hung out and watched Gregg change his tire, singing while he did it. Perhaps we can persuade Gregg to join the wanderer guitar list Sue, as he invents a lot of alternate tunings. Afterwards, Brian headed out home and Nikki came over and sang played songs for me till the wee hours of the morning. I'm a newbie guitarist and Nikki was helping me with Mr. Tambourine Man. Thanks Nikki! :~) I almost have it LOL. I lack so much dexterity in the left hand as the result of a neuro-cervical condition. As much as I love it, guitar playing presents even more of a challenge for me. That's all she wrote folks. It was so much fun guys, we'll have to do it again real soon. rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:00:24 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rock Master Class rsc1 wrote: > Mr. Bernstein told me once that he was begining to work on it > (personally, I'm hoping for tapes of her appearance at the 1980 > Bread & Roses show in Berkeley. That version of "The Thrill > Is Gone" with B.B. King! Does anyone have an audience tape of this? > It levelled me...) Hmmm....I didn't think that performance was good....visually it was cool to see them together, but Mr. King played a loud guitar lick every time Joni opened her mouth to sing...almost seemed like sabotage...King and band totally screwed up Coyote, too, they didn't know the tune and blew all the chord changes.... But to answer your question, a tape of this show has not, to my knowledge, surfaced. One lister a year or two ago got in touch with the B&R organization, and they said they would try to find a tape, but nothing ever came of it. Better than the King collaboration would be Joni's solo set with previews of songs from WTRF, and a dynamite version of "Sweet Sucker Dance" with Herbie Hancock on grand piano. Hopefully this material will surface at some point. Ann & Nancy Wilson's set (with Joan Baez on "Love Alive") from the '81 show has been traded for some time. It's hard to believe Joni's performance wasn't recorded, but she can be very protective of her stuff, maybe she pocketed the only tape! RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:32:24 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock Master Class << and a dynamite version of "Sweet Sucker Dance" with Herbie Hancock on grand piano. Hopefully this material will surface at some point. >> I can't speak to the other material you mention, Randy, but this one's on the "Bread & Roses" collection in circulation...blew me away the first time I heard it. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 17:34:24 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: I Wish I Knew Who Did that River... << It sounds like Robert Downey Jr. but I think someone here (maybe Bob) posted it was sung by someone else. >> I haven't seen it, but I thought it was decided that it WAS in fact Downey's version. Bob, with covers news tomorrow... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:53:41 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Portrait of a Leg End (NJC) Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > There is an article at > > http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/article/0,,9003-2001555241,00.html > > about an album George Harrison recorded shortly before his death called > "Portrait of a Leg End." The article says that the title of the album is "a > pun on his celebrity." I don't get the pun so I was wondering, is this a > British thing? Portait of a Legend...George did a song called "His name is Legs (Ladies and Gentlemen)" on his Extra Texture album, presumably referring to a Legs Larry "Smith", a friend and character. BBC story says this: The final George Harrison album was referred to as 'Portrait of a Leg-end' as a joking reference to his celebrity and his involvement with Monty Python's Flying Circus. The title for the album btw, is provisional at this point. George's wife does plan to release the album. Another note: George's family has asked for one minute of meditation worldwide on Monday at 1:30 pm Pacific time (2130 GMT) in tribute to George. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 14:56:44 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Rock Master Class Really? I had no idea...it certainly blew me away 20 years ago. Are you saying this is from a legitamate release, or ? How can I get it? RR SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << and a dynamite version of "Sweet Sucker > Dance" with Herbie Hancock on grand piano. Hopefully this > material will surface at some point. >> > > I can't speak to the other material you mention, Randy, but this one's on the > "Bread & Roses" collection in circulation...blew me away the first time I > heard it. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:47:57 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Portrait of a Leg End (NJC) In a message dated 12/2/01 5:50:49 PM, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << BBC story says this: The final George Harrison album was referred to as 'Portrait of a Leg-end' as a joking reference to his celebrity and his involvement with Monty Python's Flying Circus. >> A very nice Canadian woman (no, not Joni) got in touch with me off list to tell me that "Portrait of a Leg End" was a pun on "legend," which I admit I didn't get. But I am still wondering, is "leg end" a British expression for what we would call in the US "leftovers?" Thanks. I think I'll go and get a life now! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:04:55 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I Wish I Knew Who Did that River...and Neil Y > I haven't seen it, but I thought it was decided >that it WAS in fact Downey's version. O.K., I was too lazy this morning to look it up but waded back through the digests and indeed, Mr. Zack confirmed it was Downey, Jr. ;-) Also, thank you as ever Bob for the latest covers installments - they are fantabulous! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 22:25:59 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Patti Boyd - most serenaded woman in pop? (NJC) I have been housebound for the last three days with a weird stomach virus that arrived with an arthritis-like side symptom that has made me lose interest in just about anything that doesn't have to do with sleeping, surfing or complaining. Anyway, since George Harrison's death the other day I have been checking out online stories about him. I ended up on The Sun's site (UK) reading a story about Patti Boyd, George's first wife. The article called Patti "the most famously serenaded woman in pop history" because George's "Something" and Eric Clapton's "Layla" plus "Wonderful Tonight" were all written about her. A very impressive show of musical affection, I must say. She must be quite a bird, as The Beatles would have once said. But I was wondering, is The Sun correct? Has any other woman in pop history ever been the subject of more -- or bigger -- hits? If anyone has that answer, I am sure it's one of you. Thanks. I think I'll go back to sleep now. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:31:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: I Wish I Knew Who Did that River...and Neil Y I know this has been said before, however, I am moved to write that Robert Downey Jr's version of River is exquisite and so filled with the depths of emotion. His version made this baby cry! I just love it so much. I heard it at the bookstore a few times last Christmas season..and do need to get it for our Joni library ;-) Mags - --- Kakki wrote: > > I haven't seen it, but I thought it was decided >that it WAS in > fact > Downey's version. > > O.K., I was too lazy this morning to look it up but waded back > through the > digests and indeed, Mr. Zack confirmed it was Downey, Jr. ;-) > > Also, thank you as ever Bob for the latest covers installments - they > are > fantabulous! > > Kakki ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 19:58:02 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: I Wish I Knew Who Did that River...and Neil Y Mags wrote: > I know this has been said before, however, > I am moved to write that Robert Downey Jr's > version of River is exquisite and so filled > with the depths of emotion. His version made > this baby cry! Yes, there is something in his version that really wrenches the heart. Don't know if you've seen the Circuit City commercial yet - it just has a few snippets of the song - but it really got to me me, pairing it with the footage of the soldiers at this time. In my last post I meant to (and forgot) to post a link to an mp3 of a song Neil Young just recorded with Booker T and the MGs for the heroes and victims of Flight 93. A number of radio stations have been playing it http://www.jimbeller.com/mp3/lets_roll.mp3 Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:06:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Patti Boyd - most serenaded woman in pop? (NJC) Murphy wrote: > I have been housebound for the last three days with a weird stomach virus > that arrived with an arthritis-like side symptom that has made me lose > interest in just about anything that doesn't have to do with sleeping, > surfing or complaining. You poor thing! There have been some really weird viruses going around the past few months. A few of us on the list also had the 6 week coughing that wouldn't go away, too! I hope you feel better soon. > Anyway, since George Harrison's death the other day I have been checking out > online stories about him. I ended up on The Sun's site (UK) reading a story > about Patti Boyd, George's first wife. The article called Patti "the most > famously serenaded woman in pop history" because George's "Something" and > Eric Clapton's "Layla" plus "Wonderful Tonight" were all written about her. A > very impressive show of musical affection, I must say. She must be quite a > bird, as The Beatles would have once said. I was joking just today that I would have liked to have been Patti Boyd because George and Eric were always two of my top musical crushes ;-) I'd heard that they all became good friends again and I think Clapton did some recording with George in recent years. > But I was wondering, is The Sun correct? Has any other woman in pop history > ever been the subject of more -- or bigger -- hits? If anyone has that > answer, I am sure it's one of you. Maybe more songs but I don't think bigger hits. But I'd bet the other Bob may know the answer! ;-) They had a memorial gathering for George at Griffith Park today. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:34:45 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Patti Boyd and a moment for George (NJC) Kakki wrote: << I was joking just today that I would have liked to have been Patti Boyd because George and Eric were always two of my top musical crushes ;-) I'd heard that they all became good friends again and I think Clapton did some recording with George in recent years. >> Well, Kakki, according to The Sun, my latest new source: "Remarkably the three of them did remain friends and George even attended their wedding in 1979, performing with Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr at the reception." The Sun article is at << http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2001551804,00.html >> I think it's worth checking out for inside gossip about the life and times of Patti with George and Eric. And as far as Eric recording with George, I read somewhere yesterday that they worked together on George's final, as-yet-unreleased album, "Portrait of a Leg End." Kakki also wrote: << They had a memorial gathering for George at Griffith Park today. >> A friend e-mailed me the following a few minutes ago: "George Harrison's family is asking for one minute of meditation at 1:30 p.m. tomorrow, Monday 12/3... " I assume that this means 1:30 EST, since my friend is on the east coast. I am sure there will be more about it in the media soon. And Kakki also said: << I hope you feel better soon. >> Thanks! I already do. Although for a while there I was feeling a little bit body-snatched. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:41:56 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Hebert's Book and other books Hi, All, I'm kicking around the idea of picking up the piano again, and was looking at the list of books at Amazon.com (not that I can actually *buy* from them -- no credit card) to get an idea of what might be out there. Sorry I'm behind the times, as usual -- but what can anyone tell me about "Voices: The Work of Joni Mitchell" -- is this actually a serious analysis of her "work" (and would that include both visual arts and music), or a hack biography, or what? Any recommendations as to what book I *should* get? (I'm looking for sheet music -- collections anthologies, whatever.) Thanks, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 23:13:18 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Subject: George Harrison (1943-2001) njc OK OK OK RUB it in why don't ya. I promise it's coming! Paz on 12/1/01 4:01 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Is this the same Brian Stoltz that played the unbelievably smokin' solo in > Hejira in your Howlin' Wolf set? It's been SO LONG SINCE I HEARD IT I've > almost forgotten! ;~) > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 21:10:00 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Kurt Elling and other encounters (njc) Last night I was so happy to see my favorite vocalist (and old friend of our Fred Simon) Kurt Elling and group perform here at the Jazz Bakery. The legendary Bob Sheppard (of recent Joni and Steely Dan fame) sat in on sax. It was a stunning concert and I don't think I've ever seen an audience quite so rapt and somewhat swooning throughout. Elling began with a tribute to the passing of George Harrison singing "Goodbye Clifford Brown." He went on to sing a number of knock over gorgeous love songs from his latest album "Flirting with Twilight" (on which Sheppard and Peter Erskine appear). He also did an extended, amazing vocalese to some John Coltrane music. There always seems to be a few legendary cats coming to see him here. I saw two gentlemen hugging and exclaiming how they'd played Monterey together 15 years ago and learned that one of them was Billy Childs. Elling has been touring all over and will be at the Jazz Alley in Seattle 12/6 - 12/9, then going on to Paris, Chicago, Australia, Vancouver and more through May. I can't rave about him enough - he is truly rare and I highly recommend hearing him. On another note - it must be the season for the celebs to be out and about in L.A. Yesterday I saw June Haver in West Hollywood, Frankie Avalon in Beverly Hills, and then the topper late last night at the Bel Air Hotel bar of a table of Sean Penn, Robin Wright, David Spade and another cute actor I couldn't identify (we were outside having smokes at one point and Spade later said "good night" to me ;-) - and at the other end of the room, Loni Anderson and a few friends. No Joni, although this afternoon in Venice I saw an EXACT clone of Joni (right down to the hat and jewelry) as she may appear in another 10 years! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 22:26:34 -0800 From: Rick and Susan Subject: AIR Joni redux My last post (which received no comment at all on the list) passed on a report from a friend of mine who records for George Martin saying that Joni was about to enter the studio to start her next album. Today he told me he got it backwards: Joni has just finished recording the vocals for the album, "singing for hours, live with the orchestra." Ranger Rick ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #571 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?