From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #570 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, December 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 570 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- again ["mack watson-bush" ] Lori R. Frye's mom ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: virus - njc [colin ] "Heros" and "NYC" music videos available! ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] Joni Tribute Concert at The Howlin' Wolf in New Orleans, 2000, njc ["Jim ] top 100 no 1's NJC [colin ] SAD News: George Harrison [mann@chicagonet.net] Remembering George Harrison, NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 18:20:14 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: again I want to climb into the song, down deep into the lyric. I want to go where she takes me and never come back. Can anything be as good as grand as that, that place she awakens and touches? mack ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:16:23 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Lori R. Frye's mom On 30 Nov 2001, "L. R. Fye" wrote: [My mom....] > >... passed away about an hour and a half ago. Thanks to all of you for >your support and prayers. > >I'll be going to Ohio soon, and will be in touch when I can. > >Love to all of you, >Lori Gosh, Lori, I'm so sorry. I'm not sure I've seen the antecedents to this, as an only-Joni digest subscriber. Be of good courage. [NJC tag intentionally omitted.] Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:22:32 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: virus - njc i was referring to what you were referring to-not emailing. i assumed you meant-'you don't get a virus from having sex with a person of the same sex or someone who has a reason to be guilty' both of those assumptions(that that is how you get the virus) are wrong and ....well i am sure you get the point. PMcfad@aol.com wrote: > no one with a brain. > pat > np. paula cole - mississippi > > > > you don't get a virus because you've emailed with someone of > > > the same sex or someone who has a reason to be guilty...... > > > > > > > surely no one believes that anyway! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:23:20 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: "Heros" and "NYC" music videos available! The most generous man in the known universe, Simon, made a set of videos for me of the recent music events. I'll dub them onto USA style VHS (in stereo) for blanks and postage. "America: A Tribute to Heros" is on one two hour VHS, has no commercial interruptions, and boasts the slightly better sound. It was broadcast only once on September 21, 2001. I had not seen the contributions by Stevie Wonder or Bruce Springsteen before. (Thanks, Simon!) Seeing a Canadian (Neil Young) singing a song of peace ("Imagine") written by a slain Englishman for a wounded America is a poignant testament that none of us is ever alone. "The Concert For New York City", is much longer, sprawling across 3 VHS tapes, and incorporates persistent reminders that VH1 is a good corporate citizen. The audio on this tape has the most agressive compressor I've ever heard. I haven't seen it all yet but I look forward to it; there are many very talented people on it. Please contact me off-list, form a single-file line, and remember, "No pushing!" Love, Lama ps, "line" is American for "queue". Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:48:42 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: re George Harrison (NJC) pyramus@lineone.net wrote: > Colin, for the sake of balance can I comment on your views on smoking. I don't really want to reactivate the smoking thread but I feel the need to respond in this case. > > <> > > I do not have the figures to hand so I will presume that this is correct. However it is not just those who die who are affected by it,it is also those whose health suffers indirectly. Smoking can cause other diseases too. (I shall leave aside the passive smoking issue). > > > <> > - There is also a huge propaganda lobby from the cigarette companies still saying that smoking is not proven to be harmful despite evidence to the contrary. Maybe saying that the propaganda machine is crap is propaganda itself. > > <> > - It's a bit more than just 'not a good idea' Colin, it can be lethal. > > << but smoking does NOT equal death>> > > - I have yet to see any advertising that says smoking equals death.Most advertising says that smoking CAN cause death or that smoking kills, both of which are true. > > <> > - Which would increase your 11% dramatically. no it wouldn't because the 11% is of those who smoke, not 11% of all people. > > > << but then we all like our electricity, gas, cars, planes and trains don't we and they of course don't harm any of us.>> > - Of course they do, but at least these have given some benefit to mankind. so that makes it alright? you are also assuming that smoking benefits no one. > > > Colin, I hope you do not take this post the wrong way. you disagree with my pov -that is the right way to take it yes? ;-) > I defend your right to choice when it comes to smoking. The issue as far as I see it is the education of the young, many of whom given an option which is 'not a good idea' by their elders will take the wrong option. were you young? if so, do you remember what it was like? the more important points I was making were these: if i choose to smoke that is my business not anyone elses. smokers are harangued about their choices and in the USA it has got ridiculous(and we are following suit). 2. we all die. 3. many of us die from diseases that are said to be smoking related even tho we don't smoke 4. polution must be a major cause of illness but it is swept under the carpet becasue it is too diffiuclt to face. smokers are scapegoated because it is easy and makes the sacpegoater feel they have some power over it whereas the mass pulltuion of our planet is way too big a problem so we ignore it. 5. no matter what we do, we are going to die. no matter what we do we are going to die. no matter what we do we are going to die. there is no way to prevent it. no matter what the scientists say. have they ever thoguht that the constant barage of information about what will kill us will just kill us sooner because of stress? who the hell wants to see in ads everyday, many times, that 1 in 3 people will egt cancer? don't eat butter, eat margerine. now it is thought that butter is best because hydroginated fat is bad for you. seems to me that butter is natural and hydroginated anything isn'yt so the latter is likely to be bad for you! 6. life should be lived to the full, each day enjoyed because none of us know if this day is our last and because we are damned lucky just to be alive. we do not have a right to health or to life. we are lucky if we have them. would I encourage anyone to take up smoking? no i wouldn't. do i regret ever having started? of course. someone I know, a well to do older man, smokes once a year-on No Smoking Day. my aunt who was a vegie, tee total and non smoker died riddled with cancer. ,my friend sean died of lung cancer at 25yrs of age. non smoker. The point is the anti smoking brigade lie. doctors give everyone false hope and now people expect if they follow the 'rules' that they will not ill and die. when they do get ill they feel guilt and shame and blame. they ARE blamed in many instances. I remmeber on this list when Tanny Wynmette died someone wrote in and said that it was her own fault becasue she smoked. Such reasoning squashes down fear of death and gives a false sense of security. it boils down to 'if i am a good person and do as i am told, i will not die'. so when george dies from lung cancer, non smokers can yet agian push their own death away by balming him. I don't know if i habve explained what i m trying to sy here. i am not attacking you or anyone. i understand the fear of death very well, intimately. I also undertsand fairly well the lengths we go to to deny it. bw colin > > > ~ Kevin - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 20:52:01 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Joni Tribute Concert at The Howlin' Wolf in New Orleans, 2000, njc Ya gotta have faith, faith, faith. Brian Stoltz was here in Cincinnati as part of "The Funky Meters". Michael Paz said, << Brian Stoltz was the guitar player in the house band for the evening and had a smokin set. >> Bob Muller said, Is this the same Brian Stoltz that played the unbelievably smokin' solo in Hejira in your Howlin' Wolf set? It's been SO LONG SINCE I HEARD IT I've almost forgotten! ;~) fighting off multiple infections this weekend, Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2001 01:55:05 +0000 From: colin Subject: top 100 no 1's NJC tonigh on ch4 for 4hours was show of thew 100 top no 1's here voted by the pubic. Imagine was the top song. Bohmeian Rhapsody was no 2 Dancing queen was number 3 and Hey Jude was no 4. Can't recall the rest in order but songs like Whiter Shade of Pale, Stand By Me, Grapevine, I Will Survive, I Feel Love, There Must Be An Angel Playing With My Heart, West End Girls, Baby love were there. btw i found out the othjer night that motown is short for Motor Town because that style of music started in Detroit. I didn't here mention of the Tamla part. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2001 20:08:37 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: SAD News: George Harrison Kakki, Your comment reminded me............ when I was 5 or 6 years old my girlfriends and I would play house (or something) and each would have to pick a Beatle for a husband. I ALWAYS thought George was so very handsome and picked him (which was no problem.... all my friends fought over Paul). Have you seen Oded Fehr from 'The Mummy' and NBC's UC: Uncercover tv program. He looks very much like a young George Harrison.... especially so when he's sporting a beard. http://members.tripod.de/ofas/ BTW........thanks for the info. on Krall & Klein. I remember you knowing something about it when I posted on JMDL for confirmation a few years back. Laura *********************************************** Try to win your free cake for this month.... http://www.pennstreet.com/ I'm still trying. I hear they're yummy. *********************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:14:41 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu \(Lama\)" Subject: Remembering George Harrison, NJC (He was) "a giant, a great, great soul, with all of the humanity, all of the wit and humor, all the wisdom, the spirituality, the common sense of a man and compassion for people. "He inspired love and had the strength of a hundred men. He was like the sun, the flowers and the moon, and we will miss him enormously. The world is a profoundly emptier place without him." Bobby Dylan catching up, Lama np: Sting's singing "Fragile" on the 911 special. Talk about synergy. Oh. Oh my. On and on the rain will say "How fragile we are.... How fragile we are." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 21:25:39 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: smoking (NJC) In a message dated 12/1/01 8:48:18 PM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: << smokers are harangued about their choices and in the USA it has got ridiculous >> To me, what's really pathetic in all this is that there are so many former smokers and nonsmokers who seem to have such low self-esteem, the only thing that makes them feel good about themselves is to demonize people who are still addicted to tobacco. And they do this in spite of the fact that most smokers really do go out of their way to be polite when they light up, either by asking if their smoke offends anyone or by stepping outside. The latest trend in the US is to use children to aggressively carry the antismoking message. Last weekend I was standing outside a Starbucks with a friend of mine who was visiting me from out of state. My friend, a 54 year old grandmother, was having a cigarette while we were saying good-bye. Suddenly, a four or five year old girl burst out of the coffee shop with her mother in tow and shouted, "Don't smoke!" (Excuse me? What ever happened to respect for elders?) This child's pinhead of a mother just stood proudly by as my friend, although embarrassed and somewhat put out by the incident, graciously muttered something about the child being right, and that smoking was bad. I was too shocked by the child's horrendous manners, and the mother's cheerful complicity, to say anything. But if anything like this ever happens to me again, I will be ready to tell child and parent exactly where to go and what to do when they get there! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 23:34:08 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Portrait of a Leg End (NJC) There is an article at http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/article/0,,9003-2001555241,00.html about an album George Harrison recorded shortly before his death called "Portrait of a Leg End." The article says that the title of the album is "a pun on his celebrity." I don't get the pun so I was wondering, is this a British thing? And what the hell is a philospher's stone? ;-) --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 00:03:08 EST From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Re: abundance - Joni in public places Ya, last year I heard Help Me at Denny's at 1 in the morning and this past week I heard River in the bookstore at UCI. Peace & Deeper Understanding Damien ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2001 22:25:13 -0800 From: rsc1 Subject: RE: Rock Master Class Wow, that sounds intriguing.... I've always wanted to hear the "Dog" material stripped down, especially after the Amnesty International version of "The Three Great Stimulants" (despite the water balloon incident!). How do I get a copy? And what about that box set? Mr. Bernstein told me once that he was begining to work on it (personally, I'm hoping for tapes of her appearance at the 1980 Bread & Roses show in Berkeley. That version of "The Thrill Is Gone" with B.B. King! Does anyone have an audience tape of this? It levelled me...). This was at Neil Young's studio, back in '92, as he was in the process of working on Neil's box. It's still not out, so we may have to wait awhile.... Russ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #570 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?