From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #562 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 562 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: November 24 [les@jmdl.com] Re: musical scales [FredNow@aol.com] Love and Affection NJC ["denknee" ] Wayne Shorter on British TV (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] joni's tunings / fingerings [anne@sandstrom.com] Re: Joan Armatrading (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: John Van Tiel visiting the UK **THIS WEEKEND**(NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] _Homicide: Life in the Streets_ , NJC (Was: Love and Affection, NJC) ["M] RE: Ryan Adams video, NJC (was, Get Music.com) ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: Hi ya'll njc ["mack watson-bush" ] RE: Hi ya'll ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Hi ya'll [Michael Paz ] Re: Ryan Adams with Jay Leno NJC [Michael Paz ] NJC Re: Hi ya'll [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Sting On A&E [Michael Paz ] sting njc ["mack watson-bush" ] "But you see, Mr. Customs Officer, I *need* this stuff..." (njc) [BigWalt] "Bookends" [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Whoops... Bookeneds, cont. (I hope) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] the birthday boi NOVEMBER 25th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Mags N Brei ] Re: the birthday boi NOVEMBER 25th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Michael Paz ] november 25!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] happy birthday... ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 03:25:46 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: November 24 On November 24 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performs today at the Civic Center Arena in Hartford, Connecticut. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 05:01:39 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: musical scales In a message dated 11/23/01 12:19:38 PM, CarltonCT writes: >Loved this post! Thanks. >Maybe you can give us all a fuller explanation of modal >vs. non-modal. Modes are scales, but are not tied to set harmonic progressions, rather tend to imply one chord stasis (as in Indian music, or any music with a steady drone, including bagpipes, etc.) In early Western classical/liturgical music there are frequently used modes (Aeolian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Locrian, Dorian, etc.) which each have a specific configuration of half and whole steps (as do the traditional Western major and minor scales, in fact, the major scale is the same as the Ionian mode). Each mode may imply a certain harmonic center but in general they are used mostly in music that has little or no harmonic motion. >As someone who loves Indian music, I hear Indian qualities >in Joni's music. Joni is a great admirer of John McLaughlin, whose own >guitar playing has Indian influences. John and Joni are also fond of chord >progressions which leave the upper strings as drones -- a sitar like quality. >Or bagpipes. I don't hear too much Indian quality in Joni's stuff, more Scottish/English/Irish when she uses a drone, which, in her earlier music, isn't really that often. Maybe you already know this, but McLaughlin was on the first sessions for MINGUS that weren't used. He definitely went deep into Indian classical music territory with his group Shakti, which I loved. >After learning to play a lot of Joni's songs on the guitar, you get to >see that her compositions sometimes obey certain fingering patterns as >opposed to harmonic ones. It's like some of her chords are happy accidents >that pick up strange little hitch hikers ('scuse the mixed metaphor, but >its appropriate). Standard tuning is the best one for guitarists to find >fullest expression and accuracy, but it is often open and alternate tunings >which force a composer to consider fresh melodies and irregular chord structures. This is exactly correct. Because Joni has no theoretical knowledge, her music is guided strictly by ear, which, to a significant extent, is guided by finger shapes on a fretboard that's been reconfigured by alternate string tunings. Many musicians, particularly folk and blues guitarists, have used various "open" and "one chord" tunings but that usually leads them to stay in one tonal center. What's revolutionary about Joni's use of alternate tunings (although there are a few others, such as David Crosby, Michael Hedges, etc. who have worked this way) is that she plays more or less traditional finger shapes on a reconfigured fretboard, yielding unexpected harmonic results, both in terms of motion and density (meaning, the chords sound more complex and dense than what her finger shape alone may imply because the strings have been transposed). By the way, her piano music is in a real sense just as dictated by finger shapes as her guitar music. These more complex and dense chords are more readily available to the fingers on a piano keyboard -- for instance, a cluster of two notes a half step apart buried inside a more traditional minor seventh chord (a sound which figures significantly in her music) is easy for anyone's fingers to play on a piano as long as their ears guide them there, but much more difficult to maneuver on a traditionally tuned guitar; Joni's alternate tunings afford her easy physical access to these clusters and other harmonic complexities on the guitar as well. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:38:10 -0500 From: "denknee" Subject: Love and Affection NJC I have EVERYTHING by Joan Armatrading (yeah, I dig her, too), but I don't really watch TV. If you have any more clues, I could probably figure out the song for ya, Alan. - -denknee (Just popping in) From: "Alan Larson" Subject: Love and Affection NJC i love joan armatrading too, something about her English diction, her incredible vocal enthusiasm, rockin guitar, great love ballads, and one song in particular... Love and Affection, which i have read some great reviews of, a song with incredible rhythms and syncopations and soul... one song in a million, actually... i think it's on her solo album, a red and black cover, maybe someone can help me out there... now, for you joan fans out there... here's the 69 dollar question... what was the name of the funky "urban" blues kind of song they used of hers on an episode of Homicide: Life on the Streets a few years back...??? i remember charles dutton was the guest star, a man whose daughter had to beg him to testify against her brother... great combo of music and storyline content... perfect fit! whatever that song was, that one and love and affection kind of define joan armatrading for me... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:11:45 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Wayne Shorter on British TV (NJC) Hi guys, Caught a little of Wayne's Festival Hall concert broadcast on Radio 3 as I drove back from another great JMDL meet up in London last night. They mentioned some of the concert will be shown on BBC Knowledge tomorrow night (Sunday) at 8 pm. Not sure how the gerneral public are supposed to know this! Jacky NP Claudia's version of Conversation (thanks John - great bass playing Chris!) ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2001 07:26:38 -0800 From: anne@sandstrom.com Subject: joni's tunings / fingerings >> After learning to play a lot of Joni's songs on the guitar, you get to see that her compositions sometimes obey certain fingering patterns as opposed to harmonic ones. It's like some of her chords are happy accidents that pick up strange little hitch hikers Yes! Precisely. It's almost like her fingers do a sort of dance move in one place on the neck, then move to another location and repeat the move. I also think it's interesting that she calls her recent paintings "repetism" when, in fact, her guitar technique could also bear that name. I'd be very curious to know how much she actually hears in her head first, and how much her fingers sort of find or trip over. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:59:38 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading (NJC) count me in among the joan armatrading admirers, though i am more familiar with her earlier works... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:58:34 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: John Van Tiel visiting the UK **THIS WEEKEND**(NJC) As always, it was a great pleasure to meet up with fellow JMDLers, old and new faces alike and the Kashmir Klub provided the perfect venue in its inimitable fashion. My journey home was as difficult as I had anticipated it might be - in fact there was very nearly a riot on Charing Cross station and in the train where frustrated and drunken passengers tried to contact the station manager on their mobile phones as the train stood immobile for about half an hour due to overcrowding! However, my wait at Baker St station was improved by meeting up with Big Water himself (performer from Lake Tahoe who had played earlier) who was making his way to Peckham. I bought a cd from him which I would describe as soulful country rock, I suppose. He has a reasonable voice and a decent backing band but the quality of material and performance pales into insignificance compared to the wonderful selection of Jonifest 2001 tracks as supplied by John Van Tiel. (The chocolates weren't bad either). I think the word which sums up those performances best is one we were using quite a bit last night - "sensitivity" and also "delicacy" in many cases. Listening to it made my spine tingle so much I don't think I could actually have coped with being there! Many thanks all concerned, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:18:35 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: _Homicide: Life in the Streets_ , NJC (Was: Love and Affection, NJC) Alan Larson wrote: "now, for you joan fans out there... here's the 69 dollar question... what was the name of the funky "urban" blues kind of song they used of hers on an episode of Homicide: Life on the Streets a few years back...??? i remember charles dutton was the guest star, a man whose daughter had to beg him to testify against her brother... great combo of music and storyline content... perfect fit!" Alan, I haven't a clue was the answer to your question is, but thank you for reminding me of the wonderful use of music made by the late, great _Homicide: Life in the Streets_. That series was a pioneer in using songs, either popular or as-yet undiscovered, to make a point or tie up an episode. Often, the visual accompaniment amounted to a music video, and these were always impeccably crafted. I remember, in particular, a song called "Blood Makes Noise" being played as a character was undergoing an HIV test, with all the anxiety that that entails. The technique is a dime-a-dozen now, almost a gimmick, and often featured on mega-hits like _ER_. However, I'm not sure that any show is as good at is as the master was, years ago. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 11:35:49 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: Ryan Adams video, NJC (was, Get Music.com) Michael wrote, and Rose responded: "> ! I also did a search on Ryan Adams and they had quite a few > songs and a few interview clips. They also had a video of New York, New York; it was ironic that it was filmed on September 7, 2001. In the backdrop were the Twin Towers." Michael and Rose: I have to play archivist here, because Ryan Adams touched upon this point in a brief New York Times Magazine interview only a few weeks ago. Rose, maybe you saw it. At any rate, in the article "Questions for Ryan Adams: America Rocks," (11/4/01, NYT Magazine, Interview with Hugo Lindgren), Adams made the following comments (among others) on the album, the video, and the place of music in a post-September 11 world. Q: The record's first single is called, "New York, New York" and has as a chorus, "I still love you, New York." That has taken on new meanings, hasn't it? A: The funny thing about it is that it's actually a love song to a particular person, and in place of her name, I just say "New York." It's got a lot to do with the city, because that's where we were together a lot, and how I think about the city is based on where we went together and what we did. But it wasn't intended as some anthem or anything. Q: It's kind of eerie how prominent the twin towers are in the video for that song. Did you consider reshooting it? A: Eerie--is that what you thought? Interesting. I haven't even seen the whole thing through. It was the first time in my life I've ever lip-synched, so I'm a little nervous about looking at it. We decided to stay with this video because it was what it was--we shot it on Sept. 7; it's the city as we knew it, and saw it. If people don't want to show the video or don't like it, I understand. We're not pushing it or anything, saying, "Here's the video with the towers." It's just out there. [. . . ] Q: Do you think music has healing power in a time like this? A: Yeah, I do think music has healing powers, but I'm speaking only for myself. Music fans will go to their music. Other people will take a walk or read a book. I don't want to pretend that music has some kind of higher power. I'm just some guy with a guitar who plays rock n' roll. I'm probably the last person in the world who could explain to anyone why this happened or what we should do about it. Q: But don't people look to artists they admire for guidance in troubled time? A: Yeah, maybe, but I'm not sure they should. It's time to revert to that great punk rocker Shakespeare and "to thine own self be true." It's really the punkest idea of all time. Don't do what people tell you to, just because they're saying it real loud and like they know what they're talking about. Make up your own mind. Do your own thing. Heal the way you need to heal." Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 13:06:44 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ryan Adams video, NJC (was, Get Music.com) In a message dated 11/24/01 12:44:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, blckcrow@chorus.net writes: > A: Eerie--is that what you thought? Interesting. I haven't even seen the > whole thing through. It was the first time in my life I've ever > lip-synched, > so I'm a little nervous about looking at it. We decided to stay with this > video because it was what it was--we shot it on Sept. 7; it's the city as > we > knew it, and saw it. If people don't want to show the video or don't like > it, > I understand. We're not pushing it or anything, saying, "Here's the video > with the towers." It's just out there. > I thought the video was awesome. I would have never known otherwise that he was lip-synching. There is a similar question put to him on an interview that's linked on this same site where he mentions the song was about a broken relationship. He seems a bit shy, looking down a lot during the interview. Not criticizing him, hell I'd probably do the same, as those of you who know me, just how shy I am ;0) Thanks Mary for archiving this. I like the kid. Rose in nj delurking ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:01:33 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Ryan Adams with Jay Leno NJC If you missed him on SNL, tune in to Jay Leno, Tuesday, November 27th to see him perform New York, New York. Does he use a capo for this song? Does anyone know the chords, Michael? rose in nj at her post limit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:07:09 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Very Interesting Thanksgiving (njc) Tuesday morning, when I was heading out of Athens to Tampa for Thanksgiving, I stopped at Borders to buy a new copy of Hejira since my old copy was scratched and skipping and I couldn't go on a long road trip with out it. I was hesitant to drive the eight hour trip by myself but I felt somewhat compelled to go as I hadn't been home in some time. I did make it there...its just a very long, trying, very unpicturesque drive and I much prefer to drive north through the mountains. It really did turn out to be quite a hejira though, much more than I had expected. My grandmother passed on pretty recently which made everything somewhat melancholy though she had been pretty ill for a long time so I was glad she could finally rest now. We had a memorial service for her on Wednesday at the church I grew up at. This is the first time I've had someone from my immediate family succomb to death so I'm still feeling a myriad of emotions though for the most part am pretty chipper. The interesting thing is though, my father's family has always been somewhat under a shroud of mystery. I never really knew my grandfather though I did meet him once when I was very young. He died a long time ago and was fairly unpersonable. I had known my grandmother all my life though and will miss her cheerful, easygoing disposition, which I have seem to inherited. Otherwise I knew practically nothing about them though I was told a few times that I came from a family of artists...I never thought it about very much though. But now, perhaps because my grandmother did pass on, I was finally told the whole story about my father and his family, and I feel like I feel like I have solved some puzzle that had been troubling me all these years. Without going into too much detail, the basis gist of it is that there is very strong reason to suspect that I am a direct descendent of J Francis Murphy(1853 - 1921) an American artist known for his paintings of landscapes, who spent much of his time in New York. Essentially, he would be my greatgrandfather, the father of my grandmother who just passed away, making me his great grandson. I found out my grandmother never knew her father and was raised by a lady who she only found out much later was her mother. J Francis Murphy died two months before she was born. Her mother was a close companion to his wife Adah Murphy, who was also a painter. Her mother is also the subject of many of their paintings, of which we now have several of, as Ms. Murphy left all that were in her possession to my grandmother, who was also named after her. All of this seems to fill a big void that I wasn't really aware was there till this week. Everything seems to make alot more sense now as I always felt more connected to my grandmother than anyone else in my family though I am still trying to sort it all out in my head. A very serendipitous week it has been though. Victor NP: Joni Mitchell For the Roses Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:28:05 -0500 From: "michael o'malley" Subject: Hi ya'll Hello to all, I sent in a profile to the members gallery a few weeks ago, but it hasn't got posted, so I just wanted to introduce myself to the list and say hello. I've been followng The Joni site for years now, so it's time I throw in my voice. I'm 45, my name is Michael, I live in Quebec City, and have been an unconditional Joni fan since hearing Court & Spark in the 70's. It was her musicality and piano playing that first got me hooked. Then I started to listen to the words.... I remember way back, I was helping a friend one day in Montreal, installing some paintings of his in a cafi, and a Joni tune was playing on the sound system; it was A song to Sharon, and I was simply mesmerized. IAs agay man, I so relate to her descriptions of relationships and longing. I love her voice, and have been so proud and surprised by her varied artistic choices and developments. I did drive down to Boston to catch the BSN tour (my one and only contact with her live). What a delight that was!. Her music definetly feels like home to me. She' s my thrill! I also love Ella (La Reina), Sarah Vaughn, Carmen McRae, Etta James, Dead Can Dance, Count Basie and assorted worldmusic. Happy to be with you here! Michael in Quebec City ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:32:50 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Hi ya'll njc Welcome Michael. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:43:00 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hi ya'll welcome home, michael! you'll love your time here. and yes, ella is GODDESS. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:26:42 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Hi ya'll Hello Michael Welcome to the list (or from delurking as it were). If you made the trek to Boston for the BSN tour surely you will make a Jonifest sometime in the newar future. It is pleasure to meet so many new people of similar spirits all in the same place. Michael on 11/24/01 2:28 PM, michael o'malley at michaelo@webnet.qc.ca wrote: > Hello to all, > I sent in a profile to the members gallery a few weeks ago, but it hasn't got > posted, so I just wanted to introduce myself to the list and say hello. I've > been followng The Joni site for years now, so it's time I throw in my voice. > I'm 45, my name is Michael, I live in Quebec City, and have been an > unconditional Joni fan since hearing Court & Spark in the 70's. It was her > musicality and piano playing that first got me hooked. Then I started to > listen to the words.... I remember way back, I was helping a friend one day > in Montreal, installing some paintings of his in a cafi, and a Joni tune was > playing on the sound system; it was A song to Sharon, and I was simply > mesmerized. IAs agay man, I so relate to her descriptions of relationships and > longing. I love her voice, and have been so proud and surprised by her varied > artistic choices and developments. I did drive down to Boston to catch the BSN > tour (my one and only contact with her live). What a delight that was!. Her > music definetly feels like home to me. She' s my thrill! I also love Ella (La > Reina), Sarah Vaughn, Carmen McRae, Etta James, Dead Can Dance, Count Basie > and assorted worldmusic. Happy to be with you here! > > Michael in Quebec City ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:55:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Ryan Adams with Jay Leno NJC Rose here ya go! Good luck trying to sing it and play it at the same time though. It's a very simple song, but the delivery is rough. I have NO problem with the chorus, its the verse that's the bitch for me. Have fun! Love Paz NP-Firecracker-Ryan Adams New York, New York Ryan Adams Capo 2nd Fret (G) (C) (G) (C) (G) (C) (G) (C) (G) (G) Well I shuffled through the city (C) on the Fourth of July I Had a firecracker waiting to blow (G) (G) Breaking like a rocket (C) who was making his way To the cities of Mexico (G) (G) Lived in an apartment out (C) on Avenue A I Had a tar hut on the corner of Tenth (G) (G) Had myself a lover who was (C) finer than gold But I've been broken up I9ve been busted up since (G) (D) And Love don9t play (G) any (D) games with me (G) Anymore(C) like she did before (D) The World won9t (G) wait so I (D) better shake That (C) thing right out there through the door Hell, I still (D) love you New York (G) (C) (G) (C) (G) (G) Found myself a picture that would (C) fit in the folds Of my wallet and it stayed pretty good (G) (G) Still amazed I didn9t lose it out on (C) the roof of this place When I was drunk and I was thinking of you (G) (G) Every day the children they were (C) singing their tunes Out on the streets and you could hear from inside (G) (G) Used to take the subway up to (C) Houston and Third I would wait for you and I'd try and hide (G) (D) and Love won9t (G) play any (D) games with you (G) Anymore (C) if you don9t want it to (D) The world won9t (G) wait I (D) watched you shake (G) But (C) honey I don9t blame you Hell, I still (D) love you New York {G) {C} {G) {C} Hell, I still (D) love you New York {G) {C} New York (G) (C) (G) (C) (G) (G) I remember Christmas (C) in the blistering cold In a church on the Upper West Side (G) (G) Babe, I stood there singing I was (C) holding you arm You were holding my trust like a child (G) (G) Found a lot of trouble out on (C) Avenue B But I tried to keep the overhead low (G) (G) Farewell to the city and the (C) love of my life At least we left before we had to go (G) (D) And Love won9t (G) play any (D) games with you (G) Anymore (C) if you don9t want 'em to (D) So we better (G) shake this old (D) thing out the (G) door I9ll (C) always be thinking of you I9ll always (D) love you though New York {G) {C} {G) {C} I9ll always (D) love you though New York {G) {C} {G) {C} I9ll always (D) love you though New York {G) {C} {G) {C} I9ll always (D) love you though New York {G) {C} {G) {C} New York New York on 11/24/01 11:01 AM, RoseMJoy@aol.com at RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > If you missed him on SNL, tune in to Jay Leno, Tuesday, November 27th to see > him perform New York, New York. Does he use a capo for this song? Does anyone > know the chords, Michael? > > rose in nj > at her post limit ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:11:32 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Hi ya'll << As a gay man, I so relate to her descriptions of relationships and longing. >> Hi Michael, I do the same as a straight guy! :~) Welcome, hope you choose to chime in often...new voices and perspectives are great, and everyone has something to offer! Bob NP: Nerissa & Katryna Nields, "Christmas Carol" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 18:44:12 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Sting On A&E Just a reminder that Sting is on A & E tonight a 7pm Central Best Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:25:15 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: sting njc Have never really been a fan of Sting. Kind of ambivalent. But just watched him sing Every Little Thing She Does is Magic on A and E. Damn. Damn. Damn. He is really good. Knocked me out. Wow. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:39:40 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: "But you see, Mr. Customs Officer, I *need* this stuff..." (njc) Hi, all, I have a friend who does special effects make-up and prosthetics for the movies (has has an oscar for his work on the Jeff Goldbloom/Geena Davis remake of The Fly). He can't type, doesn't own a compouter, and depends on friends to type up proposals, bids for movies, and lists of items in boxes and trunks for customs. These last can get interesting. I just typed one up for him the other day, and by this time I no longer bat an eye at strange items -- but I wonder what customs officials think when they such items as : - -- one bottle fake blood - -- one can of morticians' wax - -- one box of plastic eyes - -- one inflatable bat - -- one hand puppet keep smilin', walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 21:51:33 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: "Bookends" Hi, all, I'm still a relative new3comer, so i don't know if this kind of idea has been kicked around before, but following up on my comment of a few days ago that I felt that both DJRD and TtT were "closure" albums in some sense, bringing in songs of differing styles to... I don't know, tie up loose ends before moving on to another style. This is more of an impression or a vague idea than a strong conviction. Anyway, i took another look at the songs of Tiger over the last couple of days and thought of looking in her past catalog for "bookend" songs, songs that complement the ones on Tiger in one way or another. For example, when I first heard Man From Mars (it was the version on the Grace of My Heart soundtrack, not sung by the Jonester herself -- btw, did she write this song specifically for the movie, or is it abiout a cat of hers that wandered off, or what? I also seem to remember hearing something about her delaying the release of the soundtrack album from the movie because of some difficulties w/r/t this song. Anybody know the truwe poop about all this?), I thought immediately of Edith and the Kingpin -- particularly the line about hearing the wiring in the walls. Another example is Harlem In Havana, which made me think immediately of Cotton Avenue from DJRD. Love Puts On a New Face -- Well, obviously, In France they Kiss on Main Street, but also to some extent Silky Veils of Ardor. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:03:25 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Whoops... Bookeneds, cont. (I hope) Hi, Um, i was in the middle of writing something about songs from TtT reminding me of songs from earlier albums when, for some reason, it disappeared. I don't know if it got mailed or what. I'm going to assume it was mailed, and just go on from there. If not, I'll reconstruct the first part and send it asap. Both Lead Balloon and TtT the song are about the music biz, so Free Man In Paris comes to mind. No Apologies -- Lots of Possiblities, including Sex Kills, 3 Great Stimulants, Dog Eat Dog, Magdalene Lauderies -- all of her poltical/social songs over the years Crazy Cries of Love -- maybe Underneath the Streetlights? Stay In Touch and Face Lift are both at the sweet end of the spectrum, and remind me of Jericho, I'm a Lucky Girl and maybe Love; although Face Lift starts out with her quarreling with her mom, which reminds me of Let The Wind Carry Me. So is this topic threadworthy? Maybe it's been done before, or maybe someone would like to do the same thing with another album -- find "bookends", that is. fondly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:23:01 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: the birthday boi NOVEMBER 25th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It HAS to be the 25th somewhere right??? I am way too excited to wait and besides, we have been celebrating his birthday for about two days now..and more to come.. join me in wishing the very best birthday ever to... my sweet jewish prince,honey boi, lover, and very best friend in the world... bonne fete a Brian !!!!!!!!!! with so much love always and always, your Mags xoxox np: Everything by Lifehouse ;-) ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:27:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: another birthday boy he resides in Northern Kentucky... he likes to give people heart flutters by climbing wooden step ladders set on hard wood floors he is a master photographer he loves Margo Timmins he is a first class friend join us as we honour and celebrate a very special long time list member....... the one and only...... Lamadoooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!! tonnes of birthday huggs and kisses to you Jim MagsnBrei xo ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:31:37 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: the birthday boi NOVEMBER 25th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Birthday to two very special JMDL gents. Both of you have impacted my life over the past few years and I wish you the best of the next many many many years especially this one. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 22:40:21 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Wow (njc) Just finished spending 3 hours in front of the idiot box and boy was it worth it. Sting is the man! I was moved to tears quite a few times and this guy never ceases to amaze me as a musician and artist. The remake of All This Time just floored me. I was prepared to hate it after hearing a few bits in the rehearsals, but the performance was stunning. Two other ones which I have heard him remake before, Don't Stand So Close To Me and coupled with When We Dance as a medley was just brilliant. Whoo. Then Set Them Free was another one that just stood out in a whole new groove. The whole jazzy vibe to his thing now leans towards the "VIP Lounge", but man the vocal arrangements are just amazing. There were so many other ones I just loved like Mad About You, Seven Days, Fields of Gold, oh shit I am gushing. If you haven't caught this performance yet, I highly recommend it and be watching for a By Request Concert from Old Beltin' Elton on Dec. 3 later Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:44:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: november 25!!!! njc clark carlton! you there? the BIRTHDAY FAIRY wishes to confer with you or rather scream in your ear H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y baby clark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the BF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 02:47:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: happy birthday... .... brian and jim. wallyK ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #562 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?