From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #560 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 560 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: November 22 [les@jmdl.com] Re: NJC-spelling k.d. lang [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Natalie njc [colin ] Re: musical scales [FredNow@aol.com] Re: NJC-spelling k.d. lang [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: Natalie njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History: November 22 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's painting & technical terms [TerryM2222@aol.com] Fwd: Just how elite do you think you are, anyway? (fwd)NJC ["Bree Mcdonou] Postcard from Rose Marie Joy [rosemjoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #559 [UGAstudent22@aol.com] Re: st cecilia njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: st cecilia njc ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: musical scales [Dflahm@aol.com] Happy Day!!! (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Happy Day!!! (NJC) [] happy days ["Kate Bennett" ] Happy Thanksgiving (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joan Armatrading (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Happy Day!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] RE: Happy Day!!! (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni's painting & Group of Seven ["Kakki" ] Re: Happy Thanksgiving (NJC) ["Suze Cameron" ] re november 20 njc ["joe farrell" ] Re: Happy Day!!! (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 03:01:04 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: November 22 On November 22 in Joni Mitchell History: 1969: Joni performs at the Cal State Fullerton Gymnasium in Fullerton, California. Opening acts were C. K. Strong and guitarist John Fahey. Admission price was $3.50. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/today/691122.cfm 1975: Joni, as part of the Rolling Thunder Revue with Dylan and others, performs today in the Shapiro Gymnasium at Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts. 1976: The album "Hejira" is released. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 04:22:56 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC-spelling k.d. lang Wtking59@cs.com wrote: >and the pretentiously spelled k.d. lang > >what I was specifically referring to as pretentious was the lower-case >spelling rather than the initials themselves. Can anyone tell me why in >the world she chooses to use lower-case? I believe her actual name is Katherine >Dawn Lang, if I'm not mistaken. I always assumed that the lower case spelling and initials was a (perhaps tongue-in-cheek) reference to the radical psychiatrist r.d. laing (Ronald David Laing). - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:36:47 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Natalie njc I think she has good voice-have listend to a cd that Chris Marshall lent me. I don't care for the songs but I do like her voice. Wally Kairuz wrote: > count me among those perplexed at the fact that natalie merchant ever had a > career in the music business at all. > wallyK - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 05:12:38 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: musical scales anne@sandstrom.com wrote: >I was pondering the fact that much of Joni's music is modal (and, so is >what I write, as it turns out.) I also like Pierre Bensusan, and his music >is modal with a capital M! I always though the modal nature of Joni's music >came from her guitar tunings. > >Anyway, I got to thinking about scales, and how Western music uses the >chromatic scale. I recall Joni mentioning in an early interview that she >listened to Japanese kyoto scales. I don't quite hear that in Joni's early >music, although I do hear it in Ellen McIlwaine who grew up in Japan. You >can hear that influence in her music, although one would categorize her >loosely as blues. >Is there a good Web site that compares various scales? Not sure of a web site but you might check out a book by composer/musicologist/lexicographer Nicolas Slonimsky: "Thesaurus of Musical Scales." (By the way, Slonimsky also collected pejorative reviews of famous musical masterpieces in "Lexicon of Musical Invective," an entertaining read as well as a wonderful tonic for anyone who has ever been the subject of critical slagging.) Joni's earlier music (the first 8 studio albums, her major achievement, in my view) is distinctly non-modal, references to "Japanese kyoto (sic) scales" notwithstanding (and that should probably be "koto," the stringed Japanese zither, cousin of the dulcimer, not the city "Kyoto"). In fact, her music is intriguingly and exceedingly chromatic ("Songs to Aging Children"). Truly modal music is, by definition, harmonically static. Some of Joni's tunes are somewhat modal, especially later work ("Sire of Sorrow") but a big part of what thrills me about her earlier music (and the lack of which disappoints in later stuff) is the wildly rich harmonic language of her own invention, which has an intuitive logic apart from traditional harmonic motion, and which boldly, almost capriciously (but never incoherently), moves to unrelated tonal areas ("Banquet"). As her music shifted from song-like structures to later rectitative/linear forms (especially from "Hejira" on) her harmonic range has narrowed and flattened out, becoming, in effect, more modal. I sometimes wonder if this development has left her unsatisfied and is partly the source of her diminishing output, contrasting so starkly, as it does, with the riotously colorful harmonic language of the American Songbook standards on the orchestral "Both Sides Now" and the return to her own earlier songs. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:27:20 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Re: NJC-spelling k.d. lang Colin wrote <> I agree. k.d. dean :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:44:59 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Natalie njc << Brei and I are Nat fans big time. >> And *I* had the honor of gifting Brian with one of Nat's CD's, back when he was setting me up with the tape trees. (Didn't know that you were creating a monster, I bet...) Also, mags, it's OK if one of you likes something that the other doesn't. I think your relationship can bear that tension! LOL! Thankful for my JMDL pals, Bob NP: Percy Faith, "Big Yellow Taxi" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:48:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: November 22 << 1976: The album "Hejira" is released. >> Now THERE'S something to be thankful for! Here's to Lisa Kline, who made me listen to it in '76 when she observed that my record collection was out of gender balance. My life hasn't been the same since. Bob NP: Lill Lindfors, "Gladigen" (Swedish version of Carey) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:13:16 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's painting & technical terms Shane, Yes, I did overstate my opinion on the plains painters. I based it solely by looking at the website Kakki provided, of the Group of Seven. It isn't fair to say that all plains painters' work is like theirs- I have no idea- but still feel that what I saw of their work online was rather simplistic and sweet in style. Terry In a message dated 11/22/2001 2:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, cactussong@home.com writes: << you strained at a gnat and swallowed a camel here. far from being limited, the great provinces of the Canadian prairies have produced more than its share of fine painters of both great training and travel experience. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:27:32 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Fwd: Just how elite do you think you are, anyway? (fwd)NJC >From: r.m.seale@att.net >To: Scott949@msn.com (Scott Young), Joey420S@msn.com (Joe Young), >Mojoooo@aol.com (Christopher Young), Mags196@Hotmail.com (Teena Vance), >h.roudebush@worldnet.att.net (Helen Roudebush), lebner@One.net (lorraine >Ebner), TawKjc@earthlink.net (Karen Cox), Bree_McDonough@Hotmail.com >Subject: Just how elite do you think you are, anyway? (fwd) >Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:17:39 +0000 > >Happy very Thankful Thanksgiving!!! >---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- >From: Lee Prather >To: Loretta Snyder , James Davis >, Audrey Saursfield , Becky >Seale , Bruce Henderson , >Cheri Welland >Subject: Just how elite do you think you are, anyway? >Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:37:52 -0800 > > > A thought to ponder. > > If we could shrink the earth's population to a village of precisely >100 people, > with all the existing human ratios remaining the same, there would >be: > 57 Asians > 21 Europeans > 14 from the Western Hemisphere (North and South America) > 8 Africans > 52 would be female > 48 would be male > 70 would be non white, 30 white > 70 would be non Christian, 30 would be Christian > 89 would be heterosexual, 11 homosexual > 59% of the entire world's wealth would be in the hands of only 6 >people > All 6 would be citizens of the United States > 80 would live in substandard housing > 70 would be unable to read > 50 would suffer from malnutrition > 1 would be near death, 1 would be near birth > Only 1 would have a college education and only 1 would own a >computer. > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:25:35 -0800 (PST) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Postcard from Rose Marie Joy Dear JMDL, Rose Marie Joy [rosemjoy@aol.com] has sent you a photo postcard from photoisland.com, a FREE service committed to help people stay in touch and share photos. To see your photo postcard, choose the method that works best for you. Method 1: Go to the eCard section of http://www.photoisland.com and click on the 'View eCard' link at the top of the page. Enter your personal card number (below) into the code entry field to view your eCard. Your personal card number is: 19903999575 Method 2: Copy & paste the following address onto your browser's address box (clicking directly on the address will work for most users as well). http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/postcardGst?POSTCARDID=19903999575 Note: because your photo postcard may feature music, you may want to turn on your computer speakers before viewing it. (For your convenience, the postcard will be available for the next 30 days) If you need any help, write to us at postmaster@Photoisland.com Regards, Postmaster, photoisland.com http://www.photoisland.com - --------------------------------------------------------------- See you @ Photoisland! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:51:49 EST From: UGAstudent22@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #559 hey guys, I was wondering if there are any Joan Amratrading fans on this list as well. I have been a Joni fan for a few years now, and within the last year have begun listening to Ms. Armatrading.....just wondering what other's thoughts as to her music are. matt, athens, GA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:28:56 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: st cecilia njc >today is st cecilia's day. st cecilia is the patron saint of music and >musicians. so happy st cecilia's day, joni fans and jmdl musicians!!! >wallyK, musician Thank you so much for the reminder! Cecilia was my mother's middle name.......Margaret Cecilia, she loved music and was quite musical. But too bad St. Cecilia didn't give her longevity. She died relatively young a few years ago at the age of sixty-seven. Bree who has to catch a flight and just might miss it........... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:29:09 -0800 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: st cecilia njc >today is st cecilia's day. st cecilia is the patron saint of music and >musicians. so happy st cecilia's day, joni fans and jmdl musicians!!! >wallyK, musician Thank you so much for the reminder! Cecilia was my mother's middle name.......Margaret Cecilia, she loved music and was quite musical. But too bad St. Cecilia didn't give her longevity. She died relatively young a few years ago at the age of sixty-seven. Bree who has to catch a flight and just might miss it........... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:42:23 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: musical scales Anne, can you say a little more on what you mean by "compare?" Yes, I was surprised at how closely "Edith..." hews to a single mode. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:22:48 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Happy Day!!! (NJC) The turkey AND the tofu loaf (c'mon over for a slice, JvT!) are in the oven, and just wanted to take a minute out to say........ HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all those that celebrate, and HAPPY DAY to everyone else!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:28:23 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Happy Day!!! (NJC) Happy Turkey Day to everyone!!! I'm down in sunny Florida for a few days with my family. Heading back to Georgia on Friday. I'm sitting in a room with four finches that chirp incessantly and sound like rubber squeaky toys. hugs, Victor ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 09:44:24 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: happy days belated happy birthday to joe & fred! happy thanksgiving to all who celebrate! happy st cecelia's day to all who love music! & safe travels to all ... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 15:09:36 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Happy Thanksgiving (NJC) I knew I liked Sue Cameron before I got to meet her at this year's Jonifest. I don't think she would mind my posting something she sent to the list 2 years ago. I've kept this email Sue, and have read it to my guests for the past two Thanksgiving meals. Thanks for sharing this sweetie! <> For my American buddies, Happy Thanksgiving and for everyone else "Happy Day". Oh and Happy Birthday "Hejira"!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:32:36 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joan Armatrading (NJC) Hi Matt- I think Joan A. is the bomb. i have been into her since about the late 70's and have seen her live many times. I also have some live recordings of her that I got from one of our European listers and I am willing to share if you are interested. Michael on 11/22/01 7:51 AM, UGAstudent22@aol.com at UGAstudent22@aol.com wrote: > hey guys, I was wondering if there are any Joan Amratrading fans on this list > as well. I have been a Joni fan for a few years now, and within the last year > have begun listening to Ms. Armatrading.....just wondering what other's > thoughts as to her music are. > > matt, athens, GA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 14:37:59 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Happy Day!!! (NJC) Tofu loaf? TOFU LOAF?? AGHHHHHHHH! Only you dear Ashara. I also have taken time out from preparing my birds and the appropriate side dishs (as well as a few inapproproiate ones like Cranberry Salsa which is a new one for me). I am getting ready to fry a whole turkey as well outside which is always fun. The turkey is immersed completely whole (and injected with lots of ummy spicy seasoning) and then fried crispy outside and juicy inside. I would like to take this chance to wish all my brothers and sisteers here a very Happy Thanksgiving (especially the ones in NYC & DC who are missing loved ones and friends tonight). And to the rest of the world peace and many blessings for you all. Love to you all. Paz on 11/22/01 9:22 AM, AsharaJM@aol.com at AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > The turkey AND the tofu loaf (c'mon over for a slice, JvT!) are in the oven, > and just wanted to take a minute out to say........ > > HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all those that celebrate, and > > HAPPY DAY to everyone else!! > > Hugs, > Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:51:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Happy Day!!! (NJC) god bless you all, my brothers and sisters. i have such a long, overpopulated list of people and things to give thanks for. at the top of my list is my jmdl family: the greatest bunch on earth and my everyday opportunity to enjoy my global citizenship. i love you all so tremendously, in my hyper kind of way. thank you for letting me be with you and i sing for you every year. happy day to one and all!!!!!!! oooooooh and christmas is but round the corner!!!!! so thrilled! wallyK, filled with love ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:04:54 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's painting & Group of Seven Mark wrote: > As I recall, Joni said that she was more interested in figurative > painting and abstraction was the flavor of the day. So her > instructors were somewhat dismissive of the type of painting she > wanted to do. I don't remember what interview or article this is from > but I believe she also said that students with a talent or inclination > toward figurative art were more or less pushed toward commercial art > and not viewed as serious artists. I know she had some pretty blunt remarks to make in the KCSN interview at LACE in '99 and I think I've read a few interviews in print where she has expressed the same. I also think she got turned off just as with the piano lessons. Off to turkey and pie and friends and family and a few days off - happy weekend to all! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:08:37 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Happy Thanksgiving (NJC) >< Subject: re november 20 njc Thanks to Wally and Michael and all you guys out there for birthday greetings, much appreciated. Hope you had a good one too Fred. Cheers, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:48:34 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Day!!! (NJC) Happy Thanksgiving -- or happy Thursday, as the case may be -- to everyone in JMDL land. I am thankful for you all. My dear friend Wally perfectly expressed my feelings for this day when he wrote: "my jmdl family: the greatest bunch on earth and my everyday opportunity to enjoy my global citizenship." Best wishes for a peaceful holiday season filled with love. --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #560 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?