From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #553 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, November 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 553 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Rickie Lee NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Natalie ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Natalie [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Please, before I toss my cookies... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Natalie (njc) ["Kakki" ] Harry Potter njc [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Natalie (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC ["Mark or Travis" Subject: Rickie Lee NJC >>She just always seems to try a little bit too hard to be different, instead of letting it come naturally. Just my opinion, which is probably wrong.<<< An interesting thought. How do you tell if she is naturally different or just trying hard to be different. I am not trying to be difficult, I really am intrigued by this. I have always thought she was just being her own natural self...though somewhat influenced by her boyfriend Tom. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:08:25 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Natalie >>>Natalie has ecome *the* epitome of pretentious inger-songwriterdom to me.<<< You know I just never got why she was so big. I di love the first song I heard by the Maniacs (about the grey day...lying in bed) but everything she sings sounds the same to me...no emotion in her voice just straight singing...for some reason people always assumed i would like her...i don't know why... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:11:24 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Natalie In a message dated 11/16/01 6:07:17 PM, kate@katebennett.com writes: >>>>Natalie has ecome *the* epitome of pretentious inger-songwriterdom to >me.<<< >You know I just never got why she was so big. I di love the first song >I heard by the Maniacs (about the grey day...lying in bed) but everything >she sings sounds the same to me...no emotion in her voice just straight >singing...for some reason people always assumed i would like her...i don't >know why... Amen! I'm so glad to hear there are others who don't like Natalie. My husband likes her, and I can stand her for about 10 minutes every 6 months or so. Then I start climbing the walls. Fortunately, he doesn't play her stuff very often. People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 21:28:09 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Please, before I toss my cookies... Colin wrote: << I can see all the tossers on Tossa beach right now! Don't go in the water! >> Okay, I give: What is a "tosser" in British slang? "Tossa" makes *me* think of coughing for some reason (probably some romance language connection). Does it mean barf, or what? curious again, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:19:32 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Natalie (njc) > You know I just never got why she was so >big. Yeah, I could never get it, either. I felt she had the potential to really sing beautifully but was mucking it up with some kind of add-on vocal "mannerisms." It's always hard for me to watch and listen to her without feeling slightly annoyed. I'm with you on Rickie Lee, too, I think that's just how she is - she's always been that way from the beginning and if it wasn't really her, it sure would have been hard to put it on all these years. I think she and Waits had a tremendous influence on eaach other. I loved seeing the pics from the Joni Tribute! It looked so great! Hope there is a way to get a recording out sometime. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:27:22 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Harry Potter njc The movie is wonderful - I vastly enjoyed it - the audience and I were enraptured by it all - I generally dislike (intensely) things that are hyped but this movie is just splendid. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 23:34:07 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Natalie (njc) > > You know I just never got why she was so >big. > > Yeah, I could never get it, either. I felt she had the potential to really > sing beautifully but was mucking it up with some kind of add-on vocal > "mannerisms." It's always hard for me to watch and listen to her without > feeling slightly annoyed I don't really enjoy her much anymore. I get that same feeling being slightly annoyed. I did meet her once when she played Chastain back when Tigerlilly came out. I talked to her for a minute about singing and tried to quote some dr.suess lyrics. I had a big crush on her for about six months, and kept hoping she would call me. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:23:46 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC > Whoa, now, k.d. has made some damn fine records. Of > course, she stopped doing so round about _Drag_, but > _Absolute Torch and Twang_ and ohmigod _Ingenue_ marry > one of the most magnificent voices in music to some > inventive, well-crafted songs. Well personally I love 'Drag'. I think it has some of her best singing on it. I also like 'Invincible Summer' quite a lot. So she wanted to make a fun record. Is that so wrong? Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 22:27:05 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Billy's list-now RLJ & some Blondie (njc) > > When I saw Rickie Lee Jones in concert, I really > > became a true fan. > > I had the exact same experience. I enjoyed RLJ but > found her borderline pretentious for a long time. It > was only live the the sincerity of her vocal > idiosyncracies came across for me, and now I think > she's just grand. I don't know if you were reading the JMDL when I wrote about seeing RLJ last summer but this was almost my identical reaction. She's genuinely feeling everything she sings and I found out she is very real & very moving. I'm curious what you think of 'Ghostyhead', Michael. It's not the easiest record for me to listen to but I do think it's brilliant. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 01:29:20 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Best Christmas *Ever* (njc-same situation/story...) In a message dated 11/16/01 4:29:52 PM, BigWaltinSF@aol.com writes: << In two days back, I've inadvertently stepped on a couple of toes of people I like and admire. >> Yes, Walt. And we've all been sending each other offlist e-mail about what a mean, heartless bastard you turned out to be. ;-) "Christmas with Louise" appeared on the list around this time last year, Walt, long before the JMDL was even a gleam in your eye. I think maybe Colin posted it, but I'm not sure. But here's the kicker, as we say in the ad biz - -- I don't know how much eggnog I had in me when I read it last year, but I thought this story ACTUALLY HAPPENED to Colin (or whoever posted it). Duh! & Doh! By the way, I'm still laughing over what your mother said about me the day I picked you up at her house in Rhode Island -- "He looks like a Bob Murphy." XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 02:01:14 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: now brilliant, but not easy to listen to (NJC) In a message dated 11/17/01 1:28:01 AM, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << I'm curious what you think of 'Ghostyhead', Michael. It's not the easiest record for me to listen to but I do think it's brilliant. >> Don't you hate it when brilliant music is difficult to listen to? Lou Reed's "Magic and Loss" immediately comes to mind. I don't know "Ghostyhead," or what it is about that album that isn't easy for you to listen to, but "Magic and Loss" is sooo dark and depressing, it makes "Blue" sound like musical comedy. But musically and lyrically, "Magic and Loss" is a work of genius. It's just too bad I can't listen to it more than once a year or so. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 02:49:46 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: What Is An American? njc Rhymes46@aol.com wrote: >The whole point of the post was that it came to me from someone who is >NOT an American. That was one point of the essay, and a significant one, but not the only one, and it's some of those other points that trouble me. For instance, the claim that America practices religious, cultural and political tolerance would certainly be a surprise to many Native Americans. - -Fred ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #553 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?