From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #552 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, November 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 552 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RLJ NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?El_mundo_es_un_pa=F1uelo_?= [fernando.fernandez@educ.mec.e] Tossa NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: What is an American? NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] =?iso-8859-1?Q?El_mundo_es_un_pa=F1uelo?= [fernando.fernandez@educ.mec.es] RE: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC [Nuriel Tobias ] NJC Re: SB Joni Tribute [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Tossa NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: What Is An American? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC [Wtking59@cs.com] Digest#550 NJC [Steve Polifka ] RE: Ryan Adams NJC [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: Billy's list-now RLJ & some Blondie (njc) [Michael Yarbrough ] RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC [Alison E ] NJC From the Right [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Afghan covers (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: What Is An American? njc ["gene mock" ] RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Last Waltz [christopher blake ] Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Joni in Film [dsk ] RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Digest#550 NJC [Les Irvin ] Gregg in finals (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC [Alison E ] It's coming on Christmas ["Paul Castle" ] RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: It's coming on Christmas [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Best Christmas *Ever* (njc -- some adult situations...) [BigWaltinSF@aol.] Speaking of RLJ... njc [Les Irvin ] Joni's Christmas [Nuriel Tobias ] Among the Reasons God May Temporarily Be Unavailable to Bless America (njc) [FredNow@aol] Re: Among the Reasons God May Temporarily Be Unavailable to Bless America (njc) [FredNow] Today in Joni History: November 16 [les@jmdl.com] Joni autographed jacket up for bid [Patti Haskins ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 00:02:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RLJ NJC >>'Traffic From Paradise'-'Running From Mercy' are all great songs.<< I agree Mark. I love that song, & there is another on the same record that captivates me..can't recall..gotta go dig it out soon.. I agree with Wally that Tom Waits was Rickie Lees's biggest influence...so she has said... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:02:57 +0100 From: fernando.fernandez@educ.mec.es Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?El_mundo_es_un_pa=F1uelo_?= Hello, I write from Spain, I4m Spanish, and I must say to Michael Paz that "el mundo es un paquelo" has no sense in Spanish. The correct one is "el mundo es un paquelo" (the world is a handkerchief). Come in From The Cold Beatles Forever ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:12:10 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Tossa NJC mike wrote: >Paz, the beach in Tossa was washed away last week, maybe you better run with the Honduras idea< Colin replied: >>okay i know I am a big child and it probably isn't pronounced the way it is spelt, but this made me giggle.<< mike again, Oh but it is, Colin, IT IS! Go ahead, have a good giggle. TOSSA TOSSA TOSSA! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:53:43 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: What is an American? NJC >>An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God,. << or not, surely, as the case may be. >>The root of that prosperity can be found in the Declaration of Independence, which recognizes the God-given right of each man and woman to the pursuit of happiness.<< Are the rights which are recognised in the D of I really thought by the majority of (U.S.) 'Americans' to be 'God-given' or is this merely rhetorical nonsense? Is it not contradictory to say that Americans are free to believe in no religion and then say that their freedoms are guaranteed by a right which is given by a God that they may have chosen not to believe in? There are many other objectionable things, and fine things too, in this document, but for today, have a nice day ;-) mike. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:15:39 +0100 From: fernando.fernandez@educ.mec.es Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?El_mundo_es_un_pa=F1uelo?= Hello, I write from Spain, I4m Spanish, and I must say to Michael Paz that "el mundo es un paquelo" has no sense in Spanish. The correct one for "the world is a handkerchief " is the phrase in the title. I send it for second time because I see that probably the computer has changed the words written by Michael Paz, because I see this has happened with my previous message. Kind regards Come in From The Cold Beatles Forever ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 01:42:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC Much higher than that. Nuri - --- "Wally Kairuz" wrote: "Rickie is up there with the best of them." _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 04:51:06 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: SB Joni Tribute In a message dated 11/15/01 11:00:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > just found some photos of our Tribute at this great new local music site! > > http://www.singingmonkey.com/html/joni.htm > Oh Kate, this looked to be a great thing! Wish I could have been there? Do you have a recording? ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:24:39 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Tossa NJC Mike Pritchard wrote: > mike wrote: > > >Paz, the beach in Tossa was washed away last week, maybe you better run with > the Honduras idea< > > Colin replied: > > >>okay i know I am a big child and it probably isn't pronounced the way it is > spelt, but this made me giggle.<< > > mike again, > > Oh but it is, Colin, IT IS! Go ahead, have a good giggle. TOSSA TOSSA TOSSA! I can see all the tossers on Tossa beach right now! Don't go in the water! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:05:03 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: SB Joni Tribute << just found some photos of our Tribute at this great new local music site! >> Wow Kate, thanks for posting that site except now I REALLY wish I had been there! Did you make it a rule that you HAD to be a fabulous BABE to perform? That's certainly what it looks like! :~) (Your fabulous self included, of course!) Bob NP: Neil Young, "Ambulance Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:03:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Tossa NJC ooooooooooohhhhhh NOW i get it! how dense of me! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Viernes, 16 de Noviembre de 2001 09:25 a.m. Para: Mike Pritchard CC: list Asunto: Re: Tossa NJC Mike Pritchard wrote: > mike wrote: > > >Paz, the beach in Tossa was washed away last week, maybe you better run with > the Honduras idea< > > Colin replied: > > >>okay i know I am a big child and it probably isn't pronounced the way it is > spelt, but this made me giggle.<< > > mike again, > > Oh but it is, Colin, IT IS! Go ahead, have a good giggle. TOSSA TOSSA TOSSA! I can see all the tossers on Tossa beach right now! Don't go in the water! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:16:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: What Is An American? linda and the rest, i know your intentions are good and i know that many of the things in the message you forwarded are not necessarily false but the whole thing is rather ethnocentric and possibly insulting to many of us who are not americans. to sustain that ''it is good thus it is american'' is even more of a disservice to US and non-us people alike than is the more usual ''it is american thus it is good''. as i said before, no offense intended and none taken, but frankly... wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:40:22 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC Sorry Wally, I didn't mean to hit a raw nerve. You've got me all wrong. I still think Rickie Lee Jones is better (and beyond) 95% of what's out there. Just not quite in the same league as Mitchell & Nyro (to me). Just bought "Girl At Her Volcano" which is interesting. Especially like "Pop Pop" (love her take on "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most"), and I used to listen to the early stuff quite a bit--probably more than you realize. I've got lots of Rickie Lee. She just always seems to try a little bit too hard to be different, instead of letting it come naturally. Just my opinion, which is probably wrong. And yes, Carole King wrote "Up On The Roof"--and Kris Kristofferson wrote "Me & Bobby McGee" for that matter. I'm well aware... B. K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 08:58:53 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Digest#550 NJC Can someone resend me Digest #550? Sometimes when it's large, my computer won't open it. Yes, I know Les archives these, but by that time it is days old. Thanks, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:11:14 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: Ryan Adams NJC luv luv luv wilco--a great chicago band! double album _being there_ helped me learn to like the stones. - --Michael NP: Adriana Evans, _Adriana Evans_ - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Bob, thanks, Wilco is the band I have heard most > praises about...i too was > waiting for the second Ryan Adams song on SNL...what > happened? SNL aint' > wait it used to be but i admit to laughing a bit the > other night at a few > skits > > Rose, ha side 4...just found that one myself after > listening to the cd, oh > maybe, 30 times! > > what a bang for your buck record...regular price > with twice as many songs on > it... > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ===== ____________________________________________________________ "Greetings cards routinely tell us everybody deserves love. No. Everybody deserves clean water. Not everybody deserves love all the time." - --Zadie Smith, _White Teeth_ Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:20:39 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: Billy's list-now RLJ & some Blondie (njc) Mark E. wrote: > When I saw Rickie Lee Jones in concert, I really > became a true fan. I had the exact same experience. I enjoyed RLJ but found her borderline pretentious for a long time. It was only live the the sincerity of her vocal idiosyncracies came across for me, and now I think she's just grand. - --Michael NP: Sam Phillips, _Martinis & Bikinis_ Speaking of great concerts--saw Sam this Wednesday. No pretense there--I've never seen a "serious" singer-songwriter so comfortable with humor. She performed alone, mostly, with a guitar, so for the songs featuring piano she brandished a small tape recorder and played the instrumental track right into her microphone. Not only was it endearing, but it suited the sound of her new album, _Fan Dance_, perfectly. It was almost like hearing a '40s radio performance--live. Magnificent!! ===== ____________________________________________________________ "Greetings cards routinely tell us everybody deserves love. No. Everybody deserves clean water. Not everybody deserves love all the time." - --Zadie Smith, _White Teeth_ Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 07:27:19 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC Billy wrote: > And BTW Mark, how can you stand listening to k.d. > lang? Argh!! Melissa > Etheridge and Natalie Merchant are two more I can't > hardly stomach. Whoa, now, k.d. has made some damn fine records. Of course, she stopped doing so round about _Drag_, but _Absolute Torch and Twang_ and ohmigod _Ingenue_ marry one of the most magnificent voices in music to some inventive, well-crafted songs. Like you, though, I'd be the first to toast Melissa and especially Natalie's retirement. Natalie has become *the* epitome of pretentious singer-songwriterdom to me. Such a fall from the great days of 10KManiacs. - --Michael NP: Barry White, "Can't Get Enough of Your Love" ===== ____________________________________________________________ "Greetings cards routinely tell us everybody deserves love. No. Everybody deserves clean water. Not everybody deserves love all the time." - --Zadie Smith, _White Teeth_ Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:42:00 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: FW: Benefit for Dave Van Ronk Sun Nov 25th Hi everyone. I don't normally forward any email to the list, but I thought some of you might be interested in this. lots of love Anne - -----Original Message----- From: Geoff Bartley Sent: 11/15/2001 1:52 PM Subject: Benefit for Dave Van Ronk Sun Nov 25th Hi everyone, A Benefit Concert is being held for Dave Van Ronk at the Bottom Line in New York on Sunday, November 25th. There are two shows, the first at 3:00 pm and the second at 8:30 pm. Tickets are $50 with all proceeds going to Dave. The line-up is Arlo Guthrie, Peter, Paul, & Mary, and Tom Paxton. The Bottom Line is located at 15 W 4th Street at Mercer in New York City and can be reached at (212) 228-6300 or on the web at bottomlinecabaret.com. I'll be joining Tom as usual on guitar and harmony vocals. Special Guests are expected for a song here & there. Dave was diagnosed with malignant cancer and is recovering from surgery. Signs are good. If you are unable to make this show but would like to help Dave through this tough (and expensive) time, please make your check payable to Dave Van Ronk, and mail it to: attn Dave Van Ronk Folklore Productions 1671 Appian Way Santa Monica CA 90401 Dave Van Ronk has influenced several generations of guitarists, singers, and songwriters. His versions of songs from deep in the folk/blues tradition.... "Saint James' Infirmary", "Come Back Baby", Reverend Gary Davis's "Candy Man", "God Bless the Child", "Green Rocky Road", Bessie Smith's "You Been a Good Old Wagon, Daddy, But You Done Broke Down", plus unforgettable treatments of "modern" songs such as Joni Mitchell's "Urge for Going" and the Burke/Van Heusen classic "Swinging on a Star".... have made indelible impressions on all who know his work. Dave's approach to his material is also informed by theatre and a distinct jazz sensibility, so musicians far outside the world of folk & blues have also been influenced by his music. Dave is essentially a jazz singer.... his whiskey voice is capable of wringing every last nuance from a lyric, and his crisp, economical voicings on guitar have taught guitar players of all stripes what's important and what's not. Dave Van Ronk is an American original, broadly educated, with his sense of humor firmly intact. We all have high hopes for his complete recovery. geoff Artist Representative: Jean Schwartz e-mail: mezzobean@aol.com phone: (5 0 8) 6 2 0 - 0 7 3 6 CD descriptions and ordering information may be found at www.waterbug.com For bookings and availability, please contact Jean Schwartz above. For private guitar lessons, please contact me at my e-mail at top. I endorse Elixir Guitar Strings www.elixirstrings.com * if you would like to be removed from this list, please type "delete" in the subject space, and e-mail back to me ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:40:42 EST From: Rhymes46@aol.com Subject: RE: What Is An American? The whole point of the post was that it came to me from someone who is NOT an American. The person who sent it to me was born Jewish in Austria, was educated in England, moved to Buenos Aires to escape the Nazi Holocaust, and eventually settled in Montevideo, Uruguay. He is now in his seventies and I consider him my South American Father. He sent it to me as an expression of a non-American's appreciation for our country and an expression of support for what we are going through. I'm sorry if anyone was offended. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:53:17 EST From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: RE: laura nyro njc New York Tendaberry was my first Nyro album, and I was blown away. I have not collected her entire catalogue, but the ones that I do have I love. Angel In The Dark (from this year) is amazing... Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:12:39 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Afghan covers (njc) Fred posted: And I didn't infer that you thought Afghan music was inferior. It's just that why should we assume they would want to listen to any American music? If they do, fine, but one of the things that irk non-Americans is America's somewhat arrogant exportation of its culture. Sure, lots of non-Americans love it but in too many cases it supplants indigenous culture, like kudzu. It is true that as a nation we are, almost above all else, curious. We assume everyone else is too. Perhaps that's naive and innocent. Frankly, I love this country for that very reason. I do like the idea of cultural exchanges, both within our borders, and for those interested, people and nations outside our borders. As far as American pop culture supplanting others cultures, I agree that that's a very real concern. But I think with care traditional cultures can be preserved and exist alongside modern influences. (If you stepped into my house, you'd be overwhelmed with a sense of mid 18th century America. Yet, I don't live in the exact conditions that are preserved in painstaking detail as in Sturbridge Village or Colonial Williamsburg.) This is an issue that is very real to me. Because many of us in my family are enamored with that particular era of this country's history, we collect and emulate many aspects of life at that time. But we still have microwaves, computers, etc. (And they're tucked into cabinets with historically correct raised panel doors and authentic hardware.) So, what's the answer? To carefully preserve the details of a culture so that anyone who wants to can incorporate aspects of it into their life. The other half of the equation is whether in the interest of historical preservation we should not share ideas and inventions with a people. The key is choice. As long as there is a choice, people will make the choice they want. Isn't that exactly what we're (U.S. and Northern Alliance) fighting for? lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:03:33 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC ok. i can't believe nobody has talked about jay farrar's album, sebastopol. its fucking incredible! i'm diggin the whole ryan adams scene, i like him (i've been listening to a live show with him, kim richey and chuck prophet live in seattle, its great), but i think farrar's album is more solid than anything out right now. its in constant rotation. i also watched the SNL episode, and was confused at the no second song situation. its the first time i've seen them do that ever. i think it might have been edited out for some reason. the show was not live, it was tape delayed. (and they've been HILARIOUS lately, as far as i am concerned.) did anyone catch letterman last night? he had earl scruggs and a whole load of bluegrass geniuses on, including steve martin (??) on banjo. yeah, that steve martin! who knew he was a talented banjo player? he even did a solo! alison e. in slc. np: shawn colvin, whole new you. - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > Bob, thanks, Wilco is the band I have heard most > praises about...i too was > waiting for the second Ryan Adams song on SNL...what > happened? SNL aint' > wait it used to be but i admit to laughing a bit the > other night at a few > skits Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:17:00 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC From the Right Since discussion has been cast so often in here as "conservatives" versus "others" I thought the perspective of William Safire would be interesting. Safire, former Nixon administration member and columnist, is a Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan conservator true believer. I decided to post this in honor of JMDLer Ric. http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1115-08.htm Published on Thursday, November 15, 2001 in the New York Times From the Right Seizing Dictatorial Power by William Safire WASHINGTON -- Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. Intimidated by terrorists and inflamed by a passion for rough justice, we are letting George W. Bush get away with the replacement of the American rule of law with military kangaroo courts. In his infamous emergency order, Bush admits to dismissing "the principles of law and the rules of evidence" that undergird America's system of justice. He seizes the power to circumvent the courts and set up his own drumhead tribunals  panels of officers who will sit in judgment of non-citizens who the president need only claim "reason to believe" are members of terrorist organizations. Not content with his previous decision to permit police to eavesdrop on a suspect's conversations with an attorney, Bush now strips the alien accused of even the limited rights afforded by a court-martial. His kangaroo court can conceal evidence by citing national security, make up its own rules, find a defendant guilty even if a third of the officers disagree, and execute the alien with no review by any civilian court. No longer does the judicial branch and an independent jury stand between the government and the accused. In lieu of those checks and balances central to our legal system, non-citizens face an executive that is now investigator, prosecutor, judge, jury and jailer or executioner. In an Orwellian twist, Bush's order calls this Soviet-style abomination "a full and fair trial." On what legal meat does this our Caesar feed? One precedent the White House cites is a military court after Lincoln's assassination. (During the Civil War, Lincoln suspended habeas corpus; does our war on terror require illegal imprisonment next?) Another is a military court's hanging, approved by the Supreme Court, of German saboteurs landed by submarine in World War II. Proponents of Bush's kangaroo court say: Don't you soft-on-terror, due-process types know there's a war on? Have you forgotten our 5,000 civilian dead? In an emergency like this, aren't extraordinary security measures needed to save citizens' lives? If we step on a few toes, we can apologize to the civil libertarians later. Those are the arguments of the phony-tough. At a time when even liberals are debating the ethics of torture of suspects  weighing the distaste for barbarism against the need to save innocent lives  it's time for conservative iconoclasts and card-carrying hard-liners to stand up for American values. To meet a terrorist emergency, of course some rules should be stretched and new laws passed. An ethnic dragnet rounding up visa-skippers or questioning foreign students, if short-term, is borderline tolerable Congress's new law permitting warranted roving wiretaps is understandable. But let's get to the target that this blunderbuss order is intended to hit. Here's the big worry in Washington now: What do we do if Osama bin Laden gives himself up? A proper trial like that Israel afforded Adolf Eichmann, it is feared, would give the terrorist a global propaganda platform. Worse, it would be likely to result in widespread hostage-taking by his followers to protect him from the punishment he deserves. The solution is not to corrupt our judicial tradition by making bin Laden the star of a new Star Chamber. The solution is to turn his cave into his crypt. When fleeing Taliban reveal his whereabouts, our bombers should promptly bid him farewell with 15,000-pound daisy-cutters and 5,000-pound rock-penetrators. But what if he broadcasts his intent to surrender, and walks toward us under a white flag? It is not in our tradition to shoot prisoners. Rather, President Bush should now set forth a policy of "universal surrender": all of Al Qaeda or none. Selective surrender of one or a dozen leaders  which would leave cells in Afghanistan and elsewhere free to fight on  is unacceptable. We should continue our bombardment of bin Laden's hideouts until he agrees to identify and surrender his entire terrorist force. If he does, our criminal courts can handle them expeditiously. If, as more likely, the primary terrorist prefers what he thinks of as martyrdom, that suicidal choice would be his  and Americans would have no need of kangaroo courts to betray our principles of justice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:11:39 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Afghan covers (njc) Anne wrote: > It is true that as a nation we are, almost above all else, curious. We > assume everyone else is too. Perhaps that's naive and innocent. Frankly, I > love this country for that very reason. I do like the idea of cultural > exchanges, both within our borders, and for those interested, people and > nations outside our borders. Yes, I think the whole crux lies in the intent. If we were forcing them to listen to certain music that is of course, wrong - on the other hand if our motivation is pure, such as in an act of friendship and exchange, that is only human. People here on the list from many countries have shared their local music with each other. I've received some of this music from people outside the U.S. and have been very enriched by it. > This is an issue that is very real to me. Because many of us in my family > are enamored with that particular era of this country's history, we collect > and emulate many aspects of life at that time. But we still have microwaves, > computers, etc. (And they're tucked into cabinets with historically correct > raised panel doors and authentic hardware.) Sounds like all the women in my family, too! ;-) > So, what's the answer? To carefully preserve the details of a culture so > that anyone who wants to can incorporate aspects of it into their life. The > other half of the equation is whether in the interest of historical > preservation we should not share ideas and inventions with a people. The key > is choice. As long as there is a choice, people will make the choice they > want. Isn't that exactly what we're (U.S. and Northern Alliance) fighting > for? I think that is exactly what we have always fought for. Maybe now there is hope that the people can move back into the modern world (as they were historically before some imposed the 12th century on them). They can choose to listen to new music CDs, for example, or use them as coasters. I found a Radio Afghanistan web site yesterday that some may find interesting. From w hat I've read they have quite a love and bond for music are also wild for popular Indian and Pakistani music. Music means very much to them. Here's a link http://www.radioafghanistan.com/ and some related links http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011114/lf/attack_afghan_music_dc_1.html Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:16:31 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: What Is An American? njc don't worry i surely wasn't offended. america is not perfect materially or spiritually------------------but it sure is a whole lot better off than most countries out there. we have been lucky. thanks for the post linda. take care gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 7:40 AM Subject: RE: What Is An American? > The whole point of the post was that it came to me from someone who is NOT an American. The person who sent it to me was born Jewish in Austria, was educated in England, moved to Buenos Aires to escape the Nazi Holocaust, and eventually settled in Montevideo, Uruguay. He is now in his seventies and I consider him my South American Father. He sent it to me as an expression of a non-American's appreciation for our country and an expression of support for what we are going through. > > I'm sorry if anyone was offended. > > Linda ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:29:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC <> Yeah, it's QUITE excellent! I've been a huge Son Volt fan since Day 1, saw a great club show here in town, I just really dig Jay's voice. Sebastopol in my opinion is overshadowed by the Son Volt catalog, but it's Jay, so I love it all the same! (I put a Jay tune on my December CDR of the month club issue, for you 11 out there getting a copy). Plus, I haven't given it enough eartime as I'm so enamored with the Ryan! So much music, so little time... <<(and they've been HILARIOUS lately, as far as i am concerned.)>> Like I said, I hadn't seen the show in many a year (and won't anytime soon). Perhaps I just caught a bad night. The Michael Jackson film was brilliant, the rest was beyond tedious. Oh, the news was good, but that's usaully always good. <> Yeah, his banjo playing has been a part of his stage act from way back when. He's awesome. Of course, when he had his stage act going on, you weren't even gnawing on your playpen yet! :~) PS: I love what you did with your Member Profile! LOL! Bob NP: Ben Folds, "Best Imitation of Myself" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 10:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: The Last Waltz - --- rsc1 wrote: > Hi- > > I'm new to the discussion list, just joined earlier > this evening. > > I saw a question someone had about Joni's appearance > at that concert > (it's nearly the 25th anniversary! Thanksgiving Day, > 1976. Wow, time flies..). > > As you probably already know, besides "Coyote", she > also performed "Furry > Sings > The Blues" (where Neil returned to reprise his eerie > harp solo from the > album), > and a singularly unique version of "Shadows & > Light", with the Band. > > Later, after the intermission, and just before they > brought Dylan out, the > Band > played "Acadian Driftwood" (from "Northern Lights, > Southern Cross"). Robbie > invited "a couple of Canadians out to help us sing > this one"... they being > Joni > and Neil. There are tapes of the entire show > floating around, so you can hear > this if you search a little. The board tapes are a > lot rougher than the > finished > product you're used to. They did some oberdubbing > later on. > It really was an incredible night, and I'm still > amazed that I was there. > > Russ Cole > Arcata, hi russ, my name is christopher. at what point did you (or the other audience members) realize that it was joni singing background on ny's 'helpless' from behind a curtain? was her siloutte visible? i've always been curious about that. btw, i am pleased to meet you. have an awesome day - chris(topher) Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:46:02 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC Return-path: From: Wtking59@cs.com Full-name: Wtking59 Message-ID: <16b.407cd99.292680a2@cs.com> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 09:45:54 EST Subject: Re: Billy's list-some additional comments-VLJC To: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar, kakkib@worldnet.att.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 6.0 for Windows US sub 10503 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sorry Wally, I didn't mean to hit a raw nerve. You've got me all wrong. I still think Rickie Lee Jones is better (and beyond) 95% of what's out there. Just not quite in the same league as Mitchell & Nyro (to me). Just bought "Girl At Her Volcano" which is interesting. Especially like "Pop Pop" (love her take on "Spring Can Really Hang You Up The Most"), and I used to listen to the early stuff quite a bit--probably more than you realize. I've got lots of Rickie Lee. She just always seems to try a little bit too hard to be different, instead of letting it come naturally. Just my opinion, which is probably wrong. And yes, Carole King wrote "Up On The Roof"--and Kris Kristofferson wrote "Me & Bobby McGee" for that matter. I'm well aware... B. K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:08:11 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni in Film SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > I wonder why she's never gotten into sculpture...as much as she enjoys the visual arts and HAS remained inspired with her painting, it seems to me like she would have branched out into some other media. Maybe she could become another Dr. Junk! With Joni there's always a maybe in any direction. Even so, it's hard to imagine her doing sculpture considering how flat her paintings are, not the surface itself but the lack of believeable illusionistic depth. Her sense of space is very flat, which is not a criticism, just a description. Probably the closest she'll get to sculpture are the frames she takes great care in choosing. I'd like to see what would happen if she stopped painting from photographs. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:20:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC i haven't heard of that album alison... i saw earl & friends last night...incredible!...(my engineer/producer jack lee played keyboards with earl at one point in his career...he said that earl talked reeeeeeeeal sloooooow but man could he pick fast!) watching earl last night it seemed that he was still there & steve martin was great...he used to play banjo in his act on snl decades ago but he has obviously been taking it quite seriously! jerry douglas & vince gill (more so than than albert lee imho) were amazing too....does anyone know which player was randy scruggs? acoustic guitar player? >>>ok. i can't believe nobody has talked about jay farrar's album, sebastopol....did anyone catch letterman last night? he had earl scruggs and a whole load of bluegrass geniuses on, including steve martin (??) on banjo.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:28:14 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Digest#550 NJC At 07:58 AM 11/16/2001, you wrote: > Can someone resend me Digest #550? Sometimes when it's large, my computer >won't open it. Yes, I know Les archives these, but by that time it is days >old. Actually, they are archived instantly as the digests are released here by Smoe: Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:31:10 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Gregg in finals (NJC) Just seen that jmdler Gregg Cagno has been chosen as a finalist for the 2002 South Florida Folk Festival's Singer/Songwriter Competition. Congratulations, Gregg - and lots of luck PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 11:38:58 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > watching earl > last night it seemed that he was still there & steve > martin was great...he > used to play banjo in his act on snl decades ago but > he has obviously been > taking it quite seriously! jerry douglas & vince > gill (more so than than > albert lee imho) were amazing too....does anyone > know which player was randy > scruggs? acoustic guitar player? yep, he was playing acoustic. what about that marty stuart on mandolin? is he ever going to get rid of that crazy 1980's hair? damn, he's a bluegrass legend, you'd think somebody would tip him off that he looks like a member of duran duran circa 1985. i love vince gill, too. he does a great castrata! i'm thinking of that beach boys tribute. i know several people watched it on TNT, back when. yeah, i'm rambling. it's friday. i'm creating a media list for one of our books on the history of madison square in NYC and its BUMMING ME OUT! alison e. in slc. np: sarah harmer, you were here. Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:44:46 -0000 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: It's coming on Christmas In addition to Don Conoscenti, I read that Peter Mulvey has just covered 'River' too. >Wonderland - A Winter Solstice Celebration. >This unique holiday CD features fifteen tracks >from Signature Sounds (www.signaturesounds.com) >artists >> including Peter Mulvey's stunning interpretation >of Joni Mitchell's "River" It just keeps rolling along, eh Bob? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 12:16:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Ryan Adams/SNL NJC LOL, i agree, marty was amazing but ickyuky on the hair! its right up there with kd's joni tribute pants...hehehehe alison wrote >>>what about that marty stuart on mandolin? is he ever going to get rid of that crazy 1980's hair?<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 15:27:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It's coming on Christmas << It just keeps rolling along, eh Bob? >> Yes, and I'm glad it does! A "rolling river" you might say...(groan)... Thanks for the tip, Paul! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:28:10 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Best Christmas *Ever* (njc -- some adult situations...) Hi, all, In two days back, I've inadvertently stepped on a couple of toes of people I like and admire. I hope this article, which I had to share, offends no one, and lifts a few hearts: <> Love and warm holiday feelings to all, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 14:42:16 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Speaking of RLJ... njc Some recent RLJ news: Rickie signed a book deal with Hyperion Books. No word from Rickie yet about the subject. Rickie received the Tenco award (Italy's grammy) during her recent European tour. December 4th is the release date for Red Rocks Live on Artemis Records. This exceptional show from the Flying Cowboys tour was recently discovered in Rickie's archives. Red Rocks Live can be pre-ordered from Rickie's web site at http://www.rickieleejones.com/redrocks.htm. An old performance of Rickie with celebrated trumpet player Olu Dara on the Mountain Stage television series will be broadcast on PBS soon. Coming in 2002: A 3CD anthology of RLJ career due out on Rhino in the spring. Ghostyhead to be re-released. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 13:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Joni's Christmas Could it be that Christmas in Joni's songs always seems "too sad"? (River, Face lift...) Though in Face lift there's an amazing view of lights and love as seen from the room and in the room - the song begins with Joni's feeling numb, and the Christmas gifts seem like a part in a mother-daughter fight. There's this old and familiar feeling (in both songs) that it's no good being alone in that time of year. That everyone is with their families and lovers - while Joni is somewhat in the dark. I wonder... Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 16:53:23 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Among the Reasons God May Temporarily Be Unavailable to Bless America (njc) I read something recently that really nails it for me: "Among the Reasons God May Temporarily Be Unavailable to Bless America" by Rev. Peter Laarman of the Judson Memorial Church in New York City 1. because God has had it up to here with the assumption that prayers for national exemption from pain and tragedy deserve an answer. 2. because God may be too busy processing Americans' prayers for their high school football teams. 3. because God takes for granted that the bombs falling on Kabul are America's real prayers. 4. because such a tasteless and lurid efflorescence of red, white and blue (including flags wrapped around church steeples) gives God a massive headache. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 17:07:55 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Among the Reasons God May Temporarily Be Unavailable to Bless America (njc) Here is the full essay from which I copied an excerpt. You can find it at: http://www.judson.org/wtc/laarman.htm **** Among the Reasons God May Temporarily Be Unavailable to Bless America by Rev. Peter Laarman It does not seem to occur to our suddenly devout nation that the universal prayer for blessing appearing on lawn signs, bumper stickers and shop windows might be theologically offensive, and offensive not just to thoughtful believers but to the One who is being addressed. Herewith, then, some reasons why God may not choose to grant America's petition 1. Because, in times of stress, this prayer too often means "God Bless White America." 2. Because the world is not our oyster. 3. Because U.S.-sponsored terror has killed too many children in Iraq, Angola, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Cuba, ________, _______, ________ (fill in the blanks). 4. Because God has been taking an immersion refresher course in Arabic. 5. Because God has had it up to here with the assumption that prayers for national exemption from pain and tragedy deserve an answer. 6. Because God is too busy processing Americans' prayers for their high school football teams. 7. Because God expects nations that enjoy extraordinary prosperity to be rather more generous with respect to international development needs than the U.S. has been. 8. Because Heaven recently laid off its switchboard operators and went to an automated answering system requiring callers to enter a 15-digit code for "God Bless America." 9. Because God takes it for granted that the bombs falling on Kabul are America's real prayers. 10. Because such a tasteless and lurid efflorescence of red, white, and blue (including flags wrapped around church steeples) gives God a massive headache. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 18:45:06 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: November 16 On November 16 in Joni Mitchell History: 1975: A phone call was placed to someone involved in the Rolling Thunder Review, inviting them to drop by the Tuscarora Indian Reservation located near the US side of Niagra Falls. Many of the group, including Joni, Dylan, and Eric Anderson, showed up at the Reservation's Community House. Robert Shelton wrote "Song swapping between this troupe and the Indians reached some intense moments: Tuscaroroa's did traditional songs and dances to drum beating." - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2001 19:26:47 -0600 From: Patti Haskins Subject: Joni autographed jacket up for bid http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/56949227 "Always an original, singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell customized this jean jacket by covering the entire back with a drawing of a large vase with flowers. Joni's signature is on the back, near the bottom. Women's Medium." ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #552 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?