From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #547 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, November 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 547 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: socialism, capitalism NJC [colin ] Re: Noel by Joan Baez re-released NJC [colin ] Re: Paz NJC [colin ] Re: Adlai NJC [colin ] Nero or CD Creator? NJC; ["Ron Greer" ] Re: Emigration NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: socialism capitalism NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] RE: Shadows and Light/Helter skelter ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Chuck & The Gallery & Jonifest [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Shadows and Light/Helter skelter [RoseMJoy@aol.com] NJC The Critters [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: IT'S NOVEMBER 13TH, WHERE'S JOAN? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: NJC The Critters [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #545 [YORK48CAD@aol.com] Re: socialism, capitalism NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: capitalsim and socialism NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Joni's Birthday Card [Steve Polifka ] a place in the world (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Nick Drake/Ducan Sheik (NJC) [Michaelpaz@aol.com] Re: a place in the world (njc) [colin ] joni as queen of hollywood ["Garret" ] NYT Times Review (unbelieveably NJC) ["c Karma" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #350 [Thecats100@aol.com] Birthday card for Joni ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Birthday card for Joni [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: joni as queen of hollywood ["Leslie Ross" ] Re: joni as queen of hollywood [JRMCo1@aol.com] joni as..... [colin ] Re: joni as queen of hollywood [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: amelia/jonifest [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: joni as queen of hollywood ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: joni as queen of hollywood [AsharaJM@aol.com] Rosanne Cash NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] S and L book and beginning of Toronto Tribute story - long ["janine sherm] Re: the Niemoeller quote - NJC [Michael Paz ] Card [Michael Paz ] Re: the Bay Islands - NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's Birthday Card ["Kakki" ] Joni, Leonard & Jimi [Julian Parker-Burns ] november 14!!!!!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: november 14!!!!!!! NJC ["hell" ] Re: november 14!!!!!!! NJC ["J. R. Mills" ] joni as queen of hollywood in "bel air" [Murphycopy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:03:16 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: socialism, capitalism NJC Of course I don't disagree that there would be circumstances that would make me really wnat to leave here. I am just saying that it isn't possible. No we cannot go to Commonwealth countries just like that. Emigration is not simple and usually confined to professionals. I am not a professional and nor are most people. I know you are a paralegal but which countries would allow you to go live in them just because you wanted to? I guess my point is that many people may not like the country they live in but cannot just upsticks and leave. It isn't feasible. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:07:49 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Noel by Joan Baez re-released NJC Mark or Travis wrote: > > It had "Cantique de Noel" which is "O Holy Night" sung in German. > > > > > > French. Ok so I'm knit picking! it's nit picking and yes I am nit picking! > > > Mark E. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:11:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Paz NJC > I do think > I look more distinguished as opposed to the old goofy Paz. well i don't think the 'old' Paz looked goofy! > Nice sweater by > the way! Was the picture inverted or did you really put the logo on the > right breast?? If it is indeed on the right breast is their any special > meaning? No meaning. it was put on the right breast. Any reason it shouldn't have been? I am right handed so i guess I just did it that way. ind you I amde another sweater with a Native American eagle emplem on and that went on the left. Oh I just realised why it was on the right-because it was easier to get it under the embroidery needles. > I bet it looks stunning on Mary Grace. How about a pic MG of you > modeling this work of love. > > Paz > > P.S. That pic was snapped by Kakki at Atty May's after the first NE > Jonifest. > > on 11/12/01 5:15 PM, colin at colin@tantra-apso.com wrote: > > > I just saw your pic in the gallery. My how you have changed. Your hair > > has grown much and I was shocked to see how it had turned so white. Boy, > > you really needed the break then? > > > > -- > > bw > > colin > > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > > Passap 6000, Duo80. > > > > colin@tantra-apso.com > > http://www.tantra-apso.com > > - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 09:13:48 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Adlai NJC The definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be unpopular. Goopd one Norma. "Man who buy drowned cat, must pay for stinking, wet pussy." NORMA!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:25:37 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: Nero or CD Creator? NJC; hi >>lama wrote >>I'm about to format my Windows machine and start over. I'm hearing that >>Nero is the way to go for burning audio CDs. i heard the same thing, & when my new burner came with a free, legal copy of nero i removed cd creator. boy, do i regret it. no contest in my experience - easy cd is easier to use, & has better control over functions, and esp. compilations. when copying individual tracks from multiple cds nero forces you to copy to the hard drive first, as it closes the session if you try to copy direct from more than one cd. easy cd also has a nice cd cover creation program. my version of nero has nothing - so back to the old ms word templates :-( ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:33:03 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Emigration NJC colin wrote: > Of course I don't disagree that there would be circumstances that would make me > really wnat to leave here. I am just saying that it isn't possible. No we cannot > go to Commonwealth countries just like that. Emigration is not simple and > usually confined to professionals. I am not a professional and nor are most > people. I didn't realize that. I thought it was pretty easy to move from one to the other for you, maybe because I thought it would be the same as with the U.S. territories and Puerto Rico where we can pick up anytime and move there, no problem, and likewise for them to come to the U.S. I think France has the same system with respect to their territories (I know they have another word but can't think of it). >I know you are a paralegal but which countries would allow you to go live in > them just because you wanted to? I guess my point is that many people may not like the country they live in but > cannot just upsticks and leave. It isn't feasible. I could not just walk in them and set up but I know many people who have moved very easily to Canada, Mexico and Australia. A friend looked into New Zealand, but I think you have to put up a lot of money to get in (so Hell doesn't have to worry too much about us fleeing there ;-) That doesn't mean that you automatically become a citizen but you have resident alien status and can eventually apply for citizenship. Ireland has an interesting law, too, which I'm not exactly clear on, but I think they give dual citizenship for Americans who parents are Irish-born. The U.S. has a similar system for immigrants. You have to apply and might want get some advice from an immigration lawyer to help you. Some countries recruit for Americans, too, and make it very easy to come and live there, often paying your way and helping you get settled. Many countries will take just about anyone who will work as an English teacher. Well if we all need to get out in a hurry, one of those nice island nations is actually looking like a good option ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:16:06 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: socialism capitalism NJC >>Just because the U.S. is not totally socialist does not mean we don't have much the same benefits of a socialist system. Look at all the social programs which are funded by American capitalist taxpayers - Social Security, Medicare, General Relief (Welfare), food Stamps, low-income housing, no-income housing, unemployment Insurance, free public education through age 18, subsidized education in public colleges and universities, tax write-offs for dependents and child care services, federal assistance for home buyers, federal assistance for student loans, no-interest small business loans.<< Kakki, please tell me why you needed to say that all these worthy programs are funded by 'American capitalist taxpayers'. Why 'capitalist'? Why not 'American workers' or 'American taxpayers'? I imagine that millions of the people who pay their taxes don't see themselves as 'capitalists', and surely you agree that socialists, communists, anarchists and just plain non-political folks who work in the US economy are taxpayers too? mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:11:02 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Shadows and Light/Helter skelter Is this Tim White of Billboard, who wrote an excellent biographical article about Joni? I have been hoping that he would take a stab at a full-length book. As for Shadows & Light, I would not call it "definitive." > Chuck E wrote: I am in the middle of Tim White's 'James Taylor'bio, and I > think it's excellent. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 06:15:49 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Chuck & The Gallery & Jonifest In a message dated 11/12/2001 10:28:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I have, however, > heard Leslie sing and I would therefore I know this would be > fantastic! I would love to hear it! > Hmmmm....... I guess you'll just have to be one of the first ones to sign up for Jonifest next year!! :-) BTW everyone, the announcement for Jonifest will be coming soon. I had to do several things differently this year, including forming an LLC, {sigh} so I am waiting for all the legal stuff to go through, and people will be able to sign up soon. Beds will be assigned on a first come, first served basis, so if you would prefer not to camp out, sign up as soon as I announce! :-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:25:46 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Shadows and Light/Helter skelter In a message dated 11/13/01 12:46:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > Chuck E wrote: I am in the middle of Tim White's 'James Taylor'bio, and I > think it's excellent. Rather a lot about ancient ancestors in Scotland(Guess > what? some ancestors were tailors!) but White apparently feels it sheds > light on some of James' choices and predilections (as for the sea and > boats). > > Could be...also, James is a Pisces & fishy folk are always drawn to the > sea...just ask our NJ shore lovin Rosie! > > Yes and the two fishes that are the symbol of Pisces are creatures that are perfectly at home in the great sea of life, their natural element. ~Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:32:23 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC The Critters << If you do, lemme know. I saw some 45's on amazon.com auctions. I'd love to have a copy of the audio ;~) >> Rosalita...my hunch was a good one! This song is on a great Rhino records compilation which attempted to carry on where Lenny Kaye's classic "Nuggets" record left off. Here's what's on the vinyl, let's see how many you remember: 1. The Grass Roots, "Let's Live For Today" 2. The Left Banke, "Pretty Ballerina" 3. Montage, "I Shall Call Her Mary" 4. Gene Clark, "Echoes" 5. The Sunshine Company, "Happy" 6. The Magicians, "Invitation to Cry" 7. Fever Tree, "San Francisco Girls" 8. Lee Michaels, "Hello" 9. The Third Rail, "Run, Run, Run" 10. The Critters, "Mr. Dieingly Sad" 11. The Blues Magoos, I Can Hear The Grass Grow" 12. The Blues Project, "No Time Like The Right Time" 13. The American Breed, "Step Out of Your Mind" 14. Keith, "Ain't Gonna Lie" With the exception of The Grass Roots, none of these were MAJOR hits, but only minor ones which makes them a lot more interesting. Some were follow-ups to some one-hit wonders. I can transfer this to CD for you, Rosalita...I want a copy for myself anyway. Of the Critters, the liner notes say: "The Critters represented the flip side of the pop coin. They were all sweetness and light and mellow vibes - New Jersey's answer to the Lovin' Spoonful, without benefit of a summer in the city. "Blue be your eyes, blonde your hair", they sang to a comely inamorata on "Mr. Dieingly Sad", their #19 hit from the fall of 1966. The quasi-jazzy arrangement, complete with vibes, wistful vocals and a samba-like lilit, was reminiscent of Keith's several singles. Both The Critters & Keith, if truth be told, seemed to derive no small inspiration from Chris Montez, the jazzy pop singer (and Richie Valens protege) of "Call Me" & "The More I See You". I know, I know...too much information! ;~) Bob NP: Kevin Gilbert, "Johnny's Last Song" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:44:21 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: IT'S NOVEMBER 13TH, WHERE'S JOAN? In a message dated 11/13/01 12:47:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@fuse.net writes: > 1.) She was planning to be recording in the UK in November with the same > band as last time. > > 2.) It's November. > > 3.) Is it on? Is anyone crashing it? > > > Never shying away from senselessly taunting his friends, > Lama > > > I'm wondering too the same thing. I know she was also mentioned as being a potential guest of the Chieftains on a live television show celebrating their Big 40. The Cheiftains were to do two live shows at the Olympia Theatre in Dublin as well as tour New Zealand and Australia in early November ending with the Saint Patty's Day Parade in New York. But now they've made this anouncement, so I don't know where that puts things or where even Joni was suppose to be in these plans. Chieftains play Memorial Service - 10/8/2001 OCTOBER 8th, 2001 b The Chieftains have played at a special memorial service for Matthew ObMahony, one of the nearly 800 Cantor Fitzgerald employees killed in the September 11 attacks on the WTC. Mr. ObMahonybs wife called The Chieftains with a special request to play at the service, which took place on October 3rd. Touched by the request, The Chieftains agreed to play as both a gesture to the ObMahonys and to give something back to New York and the U.S, where the group have long enjoyed incredible support. Paddy Maloney visited the site of the disaster the following day, playing his whistle for a crowd of firefighters, police and recovery workers. As a result of the September 11 attacks, The Chieftains have postponed their 40th anniversary celebrations. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 08:55:43 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC The Critters In a message dated 11/13/01 8:32:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > I know, I know...too much information! ;~) > Not at all Bob, I did a little research myself. Hey, I remember the Left Banke! Walk Away Renee was the hit that stands out the most in my memory banks. I'd love to have a copy. I'll send you a blank and postage. Thanks Bob. - -Rose ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:30:19 EST From: YORK48CAD@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #545 Welcome Russ, I few weeks ago a friend of mine was cleaning out his house and gave me the S.F. Chronicle review of this show in S.F. Is that where you saw the concert?? I was a high school junior at the time and didn't know about the show or I would have gone for sure, as I was a huge Joni fan then as well as Neil. Do you live in Arcata, Calif.? I'm in Redding. Iwould be willing to give you the review if you wish. Peace, Julie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:41:09 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: socialism, capitalism NJC >>Well, I thought there was still legal emigration to several countries in this world. You have to apply for it, but it is really not that difficult for an American to emigrate to a number of countries. You have to show that you can support yourself and not have a criminal record, but that isn't an impossible barrier.<< Legal to emigrate, Yes. Work permit? A little more difficult, I'm afraid. We Europeans need Green cards to work in the US, and US citizens would need to go through a similar process, although if you wanted to work here in Barcelona it might take you a long time. As for professional or academic qualifications, you would have another long wait there. I applied to have my degree recognised by the Spanish Mystery (sic) of Education in 1995 and they rejected my application last year (2000). The legislation says they are required to give a decision in four months!! I know of Americans who started a new degree from zero as it was quicker than having to wait for bureaucracy to sort it out. As you (Kakki) are a lawyer (correct me if I'm wrong) you MAY have your professional qualifications recognised but the legal system is very different. You would have to learn a whole new lot of stuff. And then there's the language issue. After getting your qualifications and spending time learning the new laws as well as learning two new languages (Spanish and Catalan) you may be ready to begin work, if you could learn to live on 20% of what you probably earn at the moment. Given all that, perhaps you might consider trying to change the (Fundamentalist) system from within. It's less of a hassle. mike. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:46:18 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: capitalsim and socialism NJC >>If some system other than capitalism is funding U.S. social programs, I would like to hear more about it. << I believe it is taxpayers who are funding US social programs and not all of them (I guess) would consider themselves to be 'capitalists', which was my point. mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 10:10:06 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni's Birthday Card On Monday Mon, 12 Nov 2001 Jimmy wrote: >I normally check JM.com almost every day to see what new things Jim >has posted, but I just saw the birthday card that was sent to Joni from the JMDL and JM.com. >Thanks Steve (and to J.J. always) >Jimmy Thanks Jimmy! It was an honor to have Jim ask me to work on the card, which was his vision. Thanks, JJ... Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:25:24 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: a place in the world (njc) You can blame it on cabin fever. I thought I'd share some observations with all of you. My apologies in advance for this being probably too personal in nature, and more suited to an entry in a journal. I woke this morning to the news that Northern Alliance troops had take the city of Kabul. There were joyous Afghan faces, all male I noted, waving at me from the TV, while I sipped my morning tea. The reporter, Sebastian Junger, whom I've met, talked of entering the city with the Alliance troops. His eyes looked bleary, his clothes dusty, and around his neck was a leather 'necklace' that he wore the day I met him. Something about that small detail made me feel more connected to the events. More than the man, more than any other detail, that thong of leather fixed me to this day and its events. After the morning news, I returned to the John Adams biograph by David McCullough. I read passages about Adams' beloved home and the field where he would stand and look out at Boston Harbor. I know that field. When I was a girl, my mother, siblings and I would walk the 3 miles or so to Hutchins Field, to enjoy that very view. Adams' time was certainly trying. He and his wife Abigail sacrificed much for love of country. One of the biggest threats of their time was smallpox. I find some small irony in that fact. As this country was being born, it faced threats not dissimilar to what we face today. And, like the members of this list, and the citizens of the United States, even among the founding fathers there was great disparity of opinion. History has never been more real and alive to me. Today I feel very much connected, on a deeply personal level, to this country's past and its current affairs. All because of childhood walks to a field and a small strip of leather. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:39:58 EST From: Michaelpaz@aol.com Subject: Nick Drake/Ducan Sheik (NJC) Attention Nick Drake and Duncan Sheik fans. ***VICTOR**** Duncan has a new project out called Phantom Moon.With some of the stuff a nod to Nick Drake. Nick Drake and guitar work by Gerry Leonard (from Jonatha's live record) + new stuff from Duncan and poet Steven Satar. Sounds like an interesting record. Paz NP-Till There Was You-Beatles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:21:29 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: a place in the world (njc) I am glad you didn't leave it to a personal diary, Anne. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:46:41 -0000 From: "Garret" Subject: joni as queen of hollywood If you could cast Joni in any role from any movie, made or yet to be made, what character would that be?? Lady Macbeth?? Forrestt Gumps mum?? the mother superior in sound of music?one of the women in first wives club? helena bonham carter's character in fight club? Mrs Robinson? Annie Hall? what about Helen Mirren's character from the Madness of King George, Queen CHarlotte? or even Galadriel in LOTR? and why? Just something to think about:-) GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:22:41 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: NYT Times Review (unbelieveably NJC) Today's New York Times features a full "Jazz Review" of Elvis Costello's collaboration with the Charles Mingus Orchestra in a concert this past Wednesday night at the Beacon Theatre. I will try to included it all: JOINING THE MINGUS LEGACY, JUST LIKE THE OTHER FANS by Jon Pareles Romance, rage, art, ancestry, risk, camaraderie and an endless scuffling quest are encompassed in the music of Charles Mingus. Elvis Costello is neither the first to cherish those qualities, nor the first to put them in lyricsw, but he stretched himself to try both when he collaborated with the Charles Mingus Orchestra in a concert on Wednesday night at the Beacon Theatre. If Mr. Costello had not been a songwriter, he would be the epitome of the passionate, knowledgeable music fan. He has made it his bueinesss not only to voice appreciation for musicians from the country singer George Jones to the pop songwriter Burt Bacharach, but to collaboratte with them. He couldn't work with Mingus, who died in 1979, but he has been dropping by the Thursday-night shows at Fez of the Mingus Biob Band and the Mingus Orchestra, and sometimes singing with them. The orchestra is distinguished from the big band by instruments like bassoon and French horn; both are repertory groups overseen by the composer's widow, Sue Mingus. They uphold the boisterous luxuriance of the Mingus legacy while delving ever deeper into his repertory. For concerts in Los Angeles and New York and an appearance on the Mingus orchestra's next album Mr. Costello wrote lyrics for Mingus compositions and adapted his own songs for the group. In orchestral arrangements by Sy Johnson, Eaarl; McIntryre and others, Mingus compositions beecame the constantly shifting coalitions of a city in motion. Horn brawls turned into chorales; woodwind dissonances resolved as close-harmony embraces; rhythm parts splintered off but stayed connected. The music refracted past jazz eras through modernist complexity, with shifting meters and harmonic transformations, yet stayed grounded in the blues. Mr. Costello based his lyrics on Mingus's titles, which he called "a gift" to a songwriter. The nervy "Hora Decubitus" becakme an insomniac affirmation of life, while "Jellyroll" meditated angrily on the way great jazz musicians clowned around to survive: "a joke with a curse in the middloe." In Mingus's knotty ballad lines Mr. Costello heard love affairs filled with complications and regrets. "Self-Portrait in Three Colors" became a jazz nocturne as he wondered, "Did I stay away too long?" He didn't make things easy on himself. Mr. Costello chose compositions with leaping, chromatically warped melody lines that were made for instruments not voices. It waws difficult for him to reach all the notes, much less add subtleties. He waws better off witih the self-tailored melodies of his own songs, as the arrangements carried him into realms suggesting film noir and imaginary bygone ballrooms. "Clublaned" -- as applicable to jazz musicians as to rockers -- dissolved vertiginously from mambo to waltz to jazz. Rough-hewn but wholehearted, the music sounded like a work in progress or maybe just one of those urban encounters that holds out tantalizing possibilities. END OF ARTICLE Surely Jon Pareles, who has written numerously about Joni is aware of Joni's collaboration with the then living Charles Mingus. The presence of the absence of such a mention is very ingriguing. From Pareles' description, it seems that Elvis Costello (another of my favorite artists) has chosen much the same route that Joni did for her interpretation. At least Mr. Pareles could have mentioned that in hers, Joni was certainly able to add a volume of subtleties. Too bad that Joni didn't get such healthy advance press help for her Mingus collection. It is good to rememeber that as vilified Joni remembers that project, it was voted downbeat Magazine's Album of The Year. Because of that work, Joni appeared on the downbeat cover, and her name was larger than Count Basie's! I'd be interested if any listers had current information about the relationship between Joni and Sue Mingus. CC "Mutts of the planet, and shoot me down for alibis." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:23:56 EST From: Thecats100@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #350 Don't send any more of these to me thanks james ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:49:45 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Birthday card for Joni Following an excellent suggestion, I hereby publicly thank Steve Polifka for creating the birthday card for Joni on behalf of jonimitchell.com and jmdl.com (which, of course, includes yours truly.) Thank you, Steve. Tim Spong (on his own birthday) Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:01:10 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Birthday card for Joni In a message dated 11/13/01 4:57:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, tim_spong@hotmail.com writes: > Tim Spong (on his own birthday) > Happy Birthday Tim!!! You are such a sweetheart and thank you Steve if I haven't already for creating such a wonderful card for Joni! ~Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:19:49 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: joni as queen of hollywood Elizabeth 1st Othello Mrs Robinson The Bette Davis character in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane Kurtz from Apocalpyse Now Prot from K-PAX ...I'm going to lie down now....... Les (London) >From: "Garret" >If you could cast Joni in any role from any movie, made or yet to be made, >what character would that be?? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:22:13 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: joni as queen of hollywood Oh God, of course...Anna Madrigal from Tales of the City...of course, how could I forget! >From: "Garret" >If you could cast Joni in any role from any movie, made or yet to be made, >what character would that be?? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:11:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: NJC where it's at. Bob wrote: > His website is GreggCagno.com (who would have ever guessed THAT one! ;~D) > His CD's are readily available. He's got 3, 2 of which I have and love. If you > like James Taylor, John Gorka, etc. you'll like Gregg. Well, it's all Gregg's fault that I missed my intended exit from the turnpike last Friday night! I was immersed in "Two Days Old / Lost In Durango" (which I think I played about 30 times in a row) and I ended up Lost in Ohio! : ) One of my favorite times at Ashara's this year was when Gregg played "Lost in Durango" in the music room ... and as for "Two Days Old"... the only thing that could make it better would be MORE of it! (Anyone who has listened to it will probably agree that it's one of those pieces that deserves to be played while making love.) Anyhoo, "Present Moment Days" is a wonderful cd! I'm looking forward to getting Gregg's other releases, and looking even MORE forward to Gregg's performance in Bethesda, MD, on March 17! (Who wants to come along?) Lori (at work in Bethesda) NPIMH: "The No-Dependent Song" P.S. - My mom, "Queen" Ida, remains in the ICU. So-so days and bad days, none too good. She's still hanging in there, though, and your prayers, light, energy, etc. continue to help. Continued thanks to all of you. ~ If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. -Catherine Aird- Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:32:59 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: joni as queen of hollywood ..perchance to dream: 1.) Joni as the blind girl in "A Patch of Blue" 2) Joni as the disturbed nun in "Agnes of God" 3.) Joni starring in "The Piano" 4.) Joni starring in "To Each His Own" (A small-town unwed mother who gives her child up to another family and is later reunited with the now-grown child during World War II in London.) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 00:12:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: joni as..... ...one of the two older women in practical majic. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:17:07 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: joni as queen of hollywood How bout her playing Sissy Spacek's part as Pinky Rose in "Three Women"? :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:56:53 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: amelia/jonifest In a message dated 11/5/2001 11:21:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > i was just remembering how great it was to sing amelia with leslie, michael, > claudia, steve p, kate, chuck, etc etc etc. > i can still remember the thrill of being next to the ladies as we did the > vocals. and i got to take my favorite stanza: ''i pulled into the cactus > tree motel...'' > is that on tape??????? > Yes, the Jonifest CD's as well as the videos should be ready VERY soon!! I'll keep you posted! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:17:44 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: joni as queen of hollywood or even Galadriel in LOTR? This is the one I would have said. I always imagined Galadriel as looking something like Joni. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:40:21 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: joni as queen of hollywood In a message dated 11/13/2001 9:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > or even Galadriel in LOTR? > > This is the one I would have said. I always imagined Galadriel as > looking something like Joni. > Yes, absolutely. (I didn't say me too!!) I second that opinion, Mark. (I didn't say me too!!) ;-) Hugs, Ashara {who is really getting very sick of being sick} ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 18:56:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Rosanne Cash NJC Rosanne Cash (daughter of Johnny) is married to John Leventhal who produced most of Shawn Colvin's records except for the one that Larry Klein produced (one-time husband of Joni). How is that for five degrees of seperation? Anyhow I found myself at her website looking for information about a songwriting workshop I have heard that she teaches every summer in NY state...She lives in NYC & I thought I would post her recent reflections of life for anyone who is interested. Hello Friends of Autumn, This is my favorite time of year. I love the temperature, the colors, the smell (not of Manhattan, but I do get out occasionally to smell wood smoke and other Fall scents), and the preparation to hibernate. Even though I never hibernate. But I like the whole idea. New York is a somewhat unsettling place to live these days. Everyone I know, including myself, has the background noise of trauma and apprehension scratching at our subconcious daily. Disturbing dreams, both day and night, surface just when you think you are over them. The smell from ground zero still wafts up to Chelsea, where I live, and to the West Village, where my kids attend school, and a terrible sadness lingers with it. To glance in the direction of where the towers stood is an invitation to step fully into the sense of overwhelming loss. We go on with our lives, but some changes have taken place. Everyone has their own threshold of comfort, and everyone seems to have re-evaluated where their particular line is. I am not paralyzed with fear, by any means, but I can no longer bring myself to ride the subway. And lately, since anthrax was discovered at a postal sorting station a few blocks from my house, I am hesitant to actually go into the post office. Making these adjustments is not pleasant, particularly the choice to not ride the subway, because it gets expensive and very slow moving up on the surface in taxis. But I don't feel like a victim. I don't feel like 'they' have dismantled my life. The deeper changes are what interest me most. The events of September and afterward have prompted a re-evaluation of so many things in my life. My goals and anxieties and desires before 9.11 have refined themselves, have revealed the inner core of themselves and shed the superfluous outer layer of fear and nonsense. My private longings and my work have gained intense focus. The parts of my personality that revealed themselves in broken ways in the moment of catastrophe have reassembled in a better, clearer way. I feel stronger. I also feel concerned for all of us. We must find the absolute best parts of ourselves, and let that part respond to what is going on in the world. Hatred is too base, too much of a burden to carry in ourselves. The desire for revenge is exhausting and irresolvable. I think, for myself at least, that some very long-term thinking and planning is in order, as well as an enlarged spiritual dimension. I have no control over what is happening but I do have control over my own responses and beliefs. Truly, we have enemies. But I do not believe that massive bombing is the answer. The heartbreaking stories here of 10,000 orphans created by the destruction of the WTC is enough for any sensitive person to say, this should not ever happen to another child anywhere in the world. It is too much pain. It should never happen to any parent in the world, either, or sister, brother or friend. I hope for more specificity in our retaliation. I hope for retaliation with utmost honor, and with the highest principles of our Constitution held dear as we respond to those who would destroy us. I don't know exactly what form that response should take, but I believe if we start with the principles and our best selves that we will be led in the right direction. For a few weeks after 9.11, I had absolutely no desire to work. But, as I said, a new intensity of focus has developed, and I am enthused and passionate about all the projects I am working on. I have recently signed a contract with Viking to write a memoir, of sorts, of my early career; the time I spent in Nashville, and a bit before and after. It seemed to be an awkward subject to approach, partly because I don't feel old enough or detached enough to write a memoir, but as we narrowed the chronology and I began to write it, I have come to understand it differently. It is not linear, it connects to the past and future, and I think there are interesting stories to tell. Give me time, it may take me a year, but it is a satisfying beginning. For those of you who think I have been leading you on about releasing a record soon, I should tell you that we are at the end of the recording process and about to go into post-production, and that I sincerely hope to have it in the stores by early Spring. This record should really have my name and John's on the cover (John Leventhal, producer and husband) as he has contributed so, so much in production, arrangement, and musicianship, but he'll hear none of that. But I thought I should tell you anyway. This time of year makes me think of the song "Days of Wine and Roses" for some reason. Dig it up and listen to it and see if you feel the same. With love and respect, Rosanne Cash ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:46:00 -0500 From: "janine sherman" Subject: S and L book and beginning of Toronto Tribute story - long Hi everyone, For the someone who was looking to find the Shadows and Light book recently on here, I bought mine from chapters.indigo.ca as listed on jonimitchell.com by Jim J. It cost $34.95 plus shipping/Canadian. It came within a week. I am surprised at the breadth of her research. I am only through 50 pages, but have been pleasantly surprised with its scope. I'd say, "Karen knows Joni." I thought it rather humorous when Karen asked her to read it, and Joni rejected her offer nicely saying it would be too weird reading about herself, or something to that effect. Plus, she was writing her OWN book! Yep, Rick she is - -she is. Can't wait for it and then, of course, the new CD that we were lucky enough to be privy to her practice on... Hot damn. The following is the first half of my experience of just getting to the Tribute in Toronto. Please forgive the length, but I needed to tell it, to get to the really good part. You know the part where I SAT RIGHT BEHIND JONI (and beside Rick and Jimmy) at the tribute! In remembrance of those lost yesterday in NYC, Janine When I first read that Joni was coming to Toronto, there was no doubt in my mind  ID BE THERE. It was within 500 miles of home, my Joni-lovin pal Betty was in, and when I found out the exact date- I could not believe our good fortune. School was out that day! How lucky can you get? (little did I know) It had been almost 30 years since I had seen her, JT, and Paul Simon on stage for McGovern when I was in college. I knew this could possibly be the last time I would have the chance to see her live. If we were going, then we were getting the best possible seats we could. What? You need an AMEX card to call at the earliest date? No problem. Surely a JONI event would qualify as an exception to be charged on my hubbys business -only AMEX. NIX AY on the AMEX AY! Well, what can one say? Some of us understand the Mitchell effect, and some of us have both feet cemented in the ground. So, whats another piece of plastic crammed in my wallet? My own personal AMEX card comes. It sits out like a sentry keeping its watch. The moment arrives. The day I called for the tickets, I watched the clock like a hawk getting more nervous by the minute. 30 seconds, to go. OK- quit shaking -calm down and dial the number. Someone answers on the first ring. Come on now, which hommage do I wish tickets for? WHO ELSE!!! After I rave about JM and how I have loved her for over 30 years and how I got this AMEX card just to use for this event, this soft-spoken Canadian gentleman tells me he has two, front row center tickets available for me seats # 30 something. I am screaming in his ear. Poor chap. He doesnt seem to mind though, in fact, he seems flattered to be able to offer me something that makes me so happy. I am dancing on a cloud for the rest of the day. In the back of my mind, I am wondering how numbers 36 and 37 can be that great, but front row, nonetheless. We are on a roll. I post to the list and find out other jmdlers were also able to get front row seats. Wonderful! Life is good. Spring comes and goes. So does a long, dry summer. Meanwhile, Betty and I bask in the glow of our good fortune while anticipation builds for our upcoming visit to Toronto, a city neither of us has visited. We get our hotel room, and think, why spend all that time in the car? Lets check the airline rates. Not bad. So, we get a round -trip non- stop early AM Friday flight out of BWI. That way well get there early and have time to relax before the big event. We watch and rewatch the TNT Tribute trying to visualize numerous seating configurations for Joni and her playmates. What kind local Torontonian talent could there be to do her material justice? Will she bring Donald? her parents ? How far away will they be? Will they be in a box or in an open area? Will she eat a banana and smoke cigarettes? Oh, the wonderment of it all. September 11. Life as we know it; no more. Airlines are cutting back. No more Dash 8 semi-hourly flights to Toronto. Flight change to smaller, closer airport (good thing) larger planes, connection in Pittsburgh.(not-so good). Well take it- still saves us lots of hours driving and tickets are paid for. We look forward to our diversion from this madness. We are nervous about flying, but must have faith. Lily Tomlin cancels her Hommage due to US entering Afghanistan. NO!! Joni won't cancel , will she? Great news, a new twist! Joni is going to be there earlier in the day to unveil her star on the Walk of Fame! Can we make it in time, barely, but we will do our best. Then, the night before we were to fly out there is a credible terrorist threat to Three Mile Island, a nearby nuclear plant, and the airport is closed. This is not happening! Guess we will be driving after all. No way will we be able to make the star thing, but at least well get there for the event. We need a hotel for Thursday night in New York state somewhere.... WAIT!!! the airport reopens, air travel resumes and we are told to come ahead as planned. We leave home at 3:45 AM On Oct.19 for the day of our lives. Nothing like that "r o l l e r c o a s t e r of love" for Joni leading us into the Main Event. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:59:02 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: the Niemoeller quote - NJC Honduras is VERY nice and warm. Beautiful! You reminded me of a song I wrote in high school called Amerika. I need to track down those lyrics tho. its been oh my gawd..almost 30 years. Paz on 11/12/01 7:59 PM, Vince Lavieri at revrvl@chartermi.net wrote: >> >> Kakki, again reconsidering emigration from Amerika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:59:56 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Card I LOVE your card. What a wonderful job you did! Thanks for the effort. Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:58:36 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: the Bay Islands - NJC LOL - and knowing you, Mr. Pazza, you'd be able to swing green cards for all of us within the week ;-) Kakki > Honduras is VERY nice and warm. Beautiful! > You reminded me of a song I wrote in high >school called Amerika. I need to > track down those lyrics tho. its been oh my >gawd..almost 30 years. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:24:55 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday Card Steve, The card is really sweet - thank you for creating it. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:27:40 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Parker-Burns Subject: Joni, Leonard & Jimi Hello All, Haven't posted in aaaages! But had to when I saw the Joni mention in the great Leonard Cohen interview in the November issue of MOJO magazine (makes Rolling Stone look like Highlites or the weekly circular). When Leonard was asked wether he was aquainted with the prime movers of the '60s popular culture..."I had dinner with Jim Morrison and a number of other people at a restaurant beside the Troubadour in Los Angeles. We exchanged a few words but he was already into the drink and seemed quite swollen and uncomfortable with the diner an himself. Hendrix and I actually jammed together one night in New York. He knew my song Suzanne. he was very gentle; he didn't distort his guitar. I remeber another time I was walking up 23rd street, the street the Chelsea Hotel was on, with Joni Mitchell, a very beautiful woman, and a big limousine pulled up - Jimi Hendrix was in the back seat and he was chatting up Joni from the inside of the limo." As some of you may know...I have a craving to hear what went down at the jam session between Joni and Jimi...now I'd also love to hear what music was made between Joni and Leonard...and perhaps Jimi's version of Suzanne hmmmm. Does anyone out there in the music world know of how we can hire John Oswald and his "Plunderphonics" for a fantasy gig made a virtual reality? On a somewhat unrelated topic...does anyone have a video tape of the VH1 Concert for New York City? I'm out here in the cultural sticks and would love to see a bit of it. I'm good for all sorts of trades in the way of CDs. Just let me know what you may need. Take care, Julian Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:07:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: november 14!!!!!!! NJC he's BEAUTIFUL he's SEXY he's A POWERFUL SCORPIO BUT nothing no one escapes the JMDL BIRTHDAY FAIRY mortals! surrender to the NOVEMBER CHARM OF COYOTE RICK!!!!!!!!!!! H A P P Y bIrThDaY alegre hunk! the BF, at casa MUY alegre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 19:45:58 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: november 14!!!!!!! NJC The BF wrote: > COYOTE RICK!!!!!!!!!!! > > H A P P Y bIrThDaY Happy birthday, Rick - I hope you have a great day! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:10:14 -0800 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: november 14!!!!!!! NJC Happy Birthday, Coyote Rick!!!! May you ever have no regrets, my friend. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:12:17 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: joni as queen of hollywood in "bel air" How about a remake of "Sunset Boulevard?" We'll call it "Bel Air." Instead of the Norma Desmond part made famous by Gloria Swanson, Joni would play a singer/songwriter who hasn't had a big hit in ages and is desperate to win back the mass adoration of her glory years by getting back to her folkie roots. The Bill Holden role of the down-on-his-luck writer would be played by me, of course. And Larry Klein is my choice for the part of the faithful butler. The film would open with me -- dead and floating face down in Joni's pool, yet somehow narrating the movie from the grave. As detectives fish my bloated and lifeless corpse from the water, I tell the viewers a little bit about how my bullet-riddled body ended up there. "You'll read about it in the late editions, I'm sure," I say in voice over. "You'll get it over your radio and see it on television because an old-time folk singer is involved -- one of the biggest." The scene would dissolve to a time a few months earlier, with me driving my Tacoma while being pursued by from repo men from Toyota Leasing. To ditch them, I pull into the driveway of a mansion in Bel Air. Larry, as the butler, sees me and announces, "Madame is waiting." Mistaking me for a poorly dressed pet undertaker, Larry brings me to a room where a mysterious lady with dark glasses is mourning a dead cat. After I tell the woman and Larry that I am not a feline mortician, I notice that the lady behind the dark glasses is, of course, Joni. "You're Joni Mitchell," I say. "You used to be in the music business. You used to be big." "I AM BIG!" Joni exclaims bitterly. "It's the music business that got small." After dissing the music biz some more ("Look at them in the front offices, the star maker machinery! They took the idols and smashed them. And who have we got now? Some nobodies.") Joni tells me that she has been writing again, and is working on a new album of folk music -- tentatively titled "Salome" -- for David Geffen. I tell Joni that I had no idea she was planning a comeback, and she barks, "I hate that word. It's a RETURN! A return to the millions of people who have never forgiven me for abandoning the dulcimer." When I mention to Joni that I am an ad writer, she decides that I will be a perfect collaborator for the "Salome" project. "Jingles," she laughs, "that's what they want nowadays -- jingles!" She asks me my astrological sign -- Taurus -- and determines that I will be easy to dominate. Joni then shows me some of her "Salome" lyrics, which are truly dreadful, and offers me a freelance writing gig for $500 a week -- including a room above her garage, plus all the champagne and caviar I can handle. Since I need a place to hide from the Toyota Leasing thugs anyway, I take the assignment and move in immediately. As the weeks pass, Joni and I smoke many cartons of cigarettes while working on the new album. She is very generous and buys me lots of fancy clothes, including some very flattering Miyake suits. She even presents me with a gold cigarette box inscribed "Mad about the Smurf." When I protest that she's being too extravagant, Joni explains that money is no object, and that she owns all the rights to her songs which, she reminds me, people are always covering. "Pumping and pumping and pumping out covers," she coos. It soon becomes apparent that Joni is falling head-over-heels in love with me, and as time passes, her behavior grows stranger and stranger. What's more, the album project gets worse every time we work on it. ("What rhymes with Salome?" Joni asks me in one scene. "Cafe au lait?" I suggest. "You're brilliant!" she cries as she covers me with kisses.) We eventually book recording time, and Larry drives us to the studio. As we're pulling into the parking lot, David Geffen sees Joni and drags us all in to a session in progress. At first Joni assumes that Geffen is there to check out her new stuff, but she soon discovers that he is there to work on another project that has nothing to do with her. Joni is humiliated and blames me for everything. We go back to the mansion in Bel Air where Joni slaps me, kicks me in the shins, and then shoots me three times. I fall into her pool, dead, as in the opening of the movie. In the final scene, Joni tunes her dulcimer as she is being led away by the police. And just before the credits roll, she stares eerily into the camera and says, "I'm ready for my sound check, Mr. Geffen." --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #547 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?