From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #545 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 545 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JMDL sweater NJC [colin ] Re: Media and some good news NJC ["Kakki" ] The Last Waltz [rsc1 ] Re. Arthur Lee NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Hollywood Propaganda NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: The Last Waltz [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Re. Arthur Lee NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] socialism, capitalism NJC [Yael Harlap ] objectivity does not exist [Yael Harlap ] oops sorry [Yael Harlap ] Re: Athurly NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] NJC Night of the Living Grateful Dead [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Last Waltz [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Media and some good news NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Night of the Living Grateful Dead [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Shadows and Light/Helter skelter [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: Shadows and Light/Helter skelter [RoseMJoy@aol.com] The Gallery that never saw light [Chuck Eisenhardt ] Re: NJC Night of the Living Grateful Dead [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Night of the Living Grateful Dead [RoseMJoy@aol.com] another plane went down in NY [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: readers of the world, unite! NJC [Michael Yarbrough ] Joni Tribute Band in Italy [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Tribute Band in Italy [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: chemo, death (njc) [colin ] RE: chemo, death (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: The Last Waltz [Mark Domyancich ] Fwd: GrooveLily @ Cutting Room Mon 11/19! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: The Last Waltz [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: chemo, death (njc) [colin ] Re: Hollywood Propaganda Joni slant NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: socialism, capitalism NJC [colin ] books NJC [colin ] The Student Song [Les Irvin ] bjork! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] General Greetings, NJC, short ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Re: Shadows & Light bio, NJC, silly ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Re: Noel by Joan Baez re-released NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Paz NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni Tribute Band in Italy [Michael Paz ] where it's at. 99% JC ["jlamadoo, home account" ] the Niemoeller quote - NJC [Vince Lavieri ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:25:05 +0000 From: colin Subject: JMDL sweater NJC Les kindly put it on the site: http://www.jmdl.com/colin.jpg bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:36:03 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Media and some good news NJC Debra wrote: >The Guardian is a left-wing paper and doesn't >claim to give an objective view. I know - but many quote them as factual gospel! >There are mainstream papers that do aim for >objectivity, such as the Christian Science >Monitor, NY Newsday, NY Times and the >Washington Post (although right-wingers >would probably disagree about the last two), >and then there are others that don't. I'd always heard the CSN was good for objectivity and having read it a lot lately, I would happily agree. Agree with the others you've listed - although the jury is out for me on the Wash. Post - they are in the center of the action and sometimes drift toward an sort of "inner circle" positioning. > NY Post Hee hee - but they do have some hilarious headlines ;-) > The good thing about reading biased papers, >whether they're left- or right-wing, is that >they'll bring up topics that the mainstream >press doesn't usually pay as much attention to. That's true and occasionally they will even put out an unbiased but overlooked story that one would never have found otherwise. >It's interesting to me that its opposite on the >political spectrum, fascism, leads to > totalitarianism, too. Yes, two heads of the same beast, really. And here's a little good news from the war front which, coming from Reuters, shouldn't be thought of as too unobjective. http://sg.news.yahoo.com/reuters/asia-71648.html Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:11:01 -0800 From: rsc1 Subject: The Last Waltz Hi- I'm new to the discussion list, just joined earlier this evening. I saw a question someone had about Joni's appearance at that concert (it's nearly the 25th anniversary! Thanksgiving Day, 1976. Wow, time flies..). As you probably already know, besides "Coyote", she also performed "Furry Sings The Blues" (where Neil returned to reprise his eerie harp solo from the album), and a singularly unique version of "Shadows & Light", with the Band. Later, after the intermission, and just before they brought Dylan out, the Band played "Acadian Driftwood" (from "Northern Lights, Southern Cross"). Robbie invited "a couple of Canadians out to help us sing this one"... they being Joni and Neil. There are tapes of the entire show floating around, so you can hear this if you search a little. The board tapes are a lot rougher than the finished product you're used to. They did some oberdubbing later on. It really was an incredible night, and I'm still amazed that I was there. Russ Cole Arcata, ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:59:57 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re. Arthur Lee NJC >>Another of my favorite songs - No. 42 "Alone Again Or" by Love << Kakki, this is also one of my all-time favourite songs, the whole album in fact. Can't remember if it was called 'de capo' or 'for sail'. I have to check out planet records soon. I often wondered what was between Clark and Hilldale. Regards, mike. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:01:22 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Hollywood Propaganda NJC >>No doubt there has been a slant coming from the U.S. government and certain media enablers for years<< >>I don't read everything written by them so I can't say that everything is propaganda. But I've seen outright lies propagated by them many times. << Let me see if I have this clear. Lies from the government is 'a slant' and lies from marxist groups are 'outright lies' Mike PS I don't agree with you about the Guardian, or with Debra's comment ('The Guardian is a left-wing paper and doesn't claim to give an objective view') but I'll wait for comments by other readers before commenting myself. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:36:14 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: The Last Waltz hi, Do you know my sister, Nicole Chase? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:37:25 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Re. Arthur Lee NJC In a message dated 11/12/01 5:04:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: << >>Another of my favorite songs - No. 42 "Alone Again Or" by Love << Kakki, this is also one of my all-time favorite songs, the whole album in fact. Can't remember if it was called 'de capo' or 'for sail.' I have to check out planet records soon. I often wondered what was between Clark and Hilldale. Regards, mike. >> The album is called "Forever Changes." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 06:58:58 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: socialism, capitalism NJC Kakki said: >The U.S. IS quite socialist already and has been for about 60+ years. I didn't intend to jump into the political threads this time, just because then I get really into it and I post like mad, and I can't do that right now because of school and travel and stuff.... but... I couldn't let this go by without saying that the US is probably the very least socialist of all the post-industrial countries in the world! For better or for worse (and I think for worse). And that's all I'm going to say. I think the best direction for a post-industrial nation to go is towards social democracy (see Sweden). Why would someone care about high taxes when they are guaranteed high quality health care, schooling, child care, have a great quality of life with time for work and for leisure... And as far as why there are Marxists in the U.S. "profiting" from the capitalist system... There are Marxists who are U.S. citizens. The U.S. is their home. Why should they leave? Perhaps they would rather work towards change. It is extremely difficult to live in the U.S. and not be an accomplice in exploitative systems. That doesn't mean that everyone who feels concerned about this should leave! Wouldn't that be convenient... suddenly they'd be... gone. Dude, I just realized it is actually not even 7am yet! I got all confused last night and thought my clock was wrong (I can't even remember why) and so I woke up at 6:30 thinking it was 8. I can go back to sleep for an hour! Yay! good night again, Yael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:07:43 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: objectivity does not exist And good reporting does not mean showing a left-wing opinion and a right-wing opinion. Deb said: >There are mainstream papers >that do aim for objectivity, such as the Christian Science Monitor, NY >Newsday, NY Times and the Washington Post (although right-wingers would >probably disagree about the last two) Left-wingers might disagree too! I certainly would - I don't know the Washington Post well but the NY Times is extremely centrist. Though I can definitely see where right-wingers would complain about its bias, as someone who was a Nader supporter I can say I have been appalled at the NYT's coverage of the progressive left and activist concerns in general. And one last note about Marxism etc - one thing I noticed in some of these discussions is the schism between "them" and "Americans." There is certainly no singularity in thought among Americans, so it seems fallacious to me to create that division. Better to avoid us vs them rhetoric, I think - - though I know I indulge in it too sometimes! back to bed now for real, Yael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:08:20 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: oops sorry Forgot the NJC again. Definitely shows I should be going back to bed. Apologies, - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:20:28 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Athurly NJC >>The album is called "Forever Changes."<< Of course it was, thanks. mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:31:22 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Night of the Living Grateful Dead <> LOL! Well, there was this one guy...looked like Santa Claus in a leather hat and jacket, and he was kicking up his heels pretty good. But nobody was dancing with anybody else, they were just into their own thing. This Saturday I'll be going back to see Glenn Tillbrook (ex-Squeeze), that should be a cookin' gig! Bob NP: B-52's, "Follow Your Bliss" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:37:18 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Last Waltz <> Cool! Welcome to the list, Russ...pretty awesome that you were at The Last Waltz. What a great show, Neil Diamond notwithstanding. That re-arranged "Shadows & Light" is similar to the version she played on her 1976 Hissing tour. Matter of fact, she opened her shows on that tour with it. Thanks for your intro, looking forward to hearing more from you. Bob NP:(Now Playing): B-52's, "Hot Pants Explosion" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:42:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Media and some good news NJC <> Well, they can't touch my favorite newspaper, The Weekly World News. A couple of weeks ago they had the headline "Man finds mermaid in tuna sandwich" with of course an actual unretouched photo. I thought I was gonna hurl from laughing! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:01:32 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Night of the Living Grateful Dead In a message dated 11/12/01 8:32:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > But nobody was dancing with anybody else, they were just into their own > thing. > It's funny this dancing with myself thingy:~) I experienced something similar at a gig I went to a few weeks ago. Speaking of dancing and dances, I was talking to an old high school friend yesterday. She was telling me about her 30th high school reunion she went to sauturday night. She was a year or two ahead of me, but we shared the same memories having hung out together at the school dances and all. In the 60's we were fortunate that ours and the neighboring towns always had these dances we could go to. For the most part, it kept us out of trouble ;~) Anyway, she was telling me that they had one of the bands that would play frequently at our dances, The Doughboys. It seems these guys are still around and doing a lot of the high school reunions. They had a video of one of the Cook school dances. How I would love to get a hold of that, the sentimental slob that I am. We had the best local bands! There was one band in particular that made it to the top for a short while, The Critters! Does anyone remember them, Kate? Rolling Stone had this brief Bio on them, but they weren't from New York, they were from Noo Joirzy! In 1966, this New York group came off very much like a Lovin' Spoonful Jr., scoring a minor hit with a cover of John Sebastian's "Younger Girl," and then chalking up their only Top 20 single with the very Spoonful-esque original, "Mr. Dieingly Sad." The group's soft harmonies and pop-folk-rock were in a considerably lighter vein than their Kama Sutra labelmates', though. Much of their material was self-penned, though they also benefited from compositions by Jackie DeShannon and Brill Building tunesmiths Pete Anders, Vinnie Poncia, and Doc Pomus. Recording quite a few singles and an LP for Kama Sutra from 1965 to 1967, their gentle pop/rock was rather lightweight and forgettable, with the exception of their best singles. After a final Top 40 hit in 1967 ("Don't Let the Rain Fall Down on Me"), principal songwriter Don Ciccone was drafted, and the group struggled on with a couple albums for the Project 3 label before splitting. ~ Richie Unterberger, All Music Guide Rose in NJ feeling nostalgic today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:11:40 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: Shadows and Light/Helter skelter I was having trouble locating the Karen O'Brien 'Shadows and Light' at Helter Skelter (or anywhere, actually). I exchanged an email with the folks there and asked for help. They admitted the book had 'dropped off' the website somehow, but they said they'd get it back online soon. This is bio-heaven-time. I am in the middle of Tim White's 'James Taylor' bio, and I think it's excellent. Rather a lot about ancient ancestors in Scotland (Guess what? some ancestors were tailors!) but White apparently feels it sheds light on some of James' choices and predilections (as for the sea and boats). There are only about 7 Joni references and none of them are particularly revealing. It's almost as if White and James intentionally don't much go there. Lots about early bands and Kortchmar and Carole (Klein) King and the Abby Road times. White is excellent when it comes to framing the album contents and deconstructing the songs themselves. The book by the way is subtitled 'Long Ago and Far Away'. ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:34:09 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Shadows and Light/Helter skelter In a message dated 11/12/01 9:31:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, chucke@tiac.net writes: > I was having trouble locating the Karen O'Brien 'Shadows and Light' at > Helter > Skelter (or anywhere, actually). I exchanged an email with the folks there > and > asked for help. They admitted the book had 'dropped off' the website > somehow, > but they said they'd get it back online soon. > > Hey ChuckE, Jim Johanson has a link to Amazon UK on the JM.com site. That's how I purchased mine and have been enjoying the read. Thanks Karen! ~rose ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:31:53 -0500 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: The Gallery that never saw light Towards the end of this year's Northeast fest Leslie Mixon and Claudia and I were working on an arrangement of The Gallery that was totally transcendent. What voices these guys have! Anyway, we didn't get to do it because of time constraints, but hey, there's always next year! I can still hear them singing the chorus. Together, they are something quite amazing. (Not to say they are not also amazing alone!) Which is also to say, it's never to soon to start preparing tunes. It's a year-round thing! I am getting close to learning 'Blonde in the Bleachers' .Anyone want to sing some of that? (Original key starts in C, with the first chord a Dm9 or some such warm chord she liked so much) I also tried out Jericho the other day. This song is entirely built around those piano chords where Joni plays very simple major or minor triads in the right hand but then counters it, often with a second, in the left, creating a totally new chord with very complex tonalities, and without getting her fingers twisted in a knot (analogous to the guitar tunings). ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:54:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Night of the Living Grateful Dead <> I've heard this one, Rose...may even have a copy of it somewhere. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:57:05 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Night of the Living Grateful Dead In a message dated 11/12/01 9:54:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: > < original, "Mr. Dieingly Sad." >> > > I've heard this one, Rose...may even have a copy of it somewhere. > > Bob > If you do, lemme know. I saw some 45's on amazon.com auctions. I'd love to have a copy of the audio ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:58:59 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: another plane went down in NY put on your news :0( ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:15:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: readers of the world, unite! NJC Mark E. wrote: > I do have to admit that I have read one Toni > Morrison novel and of > course it's 'Beloved'. But I do think it's an > amazing book. _Beloved_ is among my two or three favorite novels ever, right up there with _Crime and Punishment_ and _Tale of Two Cities_. I find Morrison's prose almost aromatic it's so evocative. Even her most heartwrenching stories have this inveigling blend of the otherworldly and the everyday. The metaphors in her earlier work were a bit heavy-handed (e.g. _The Bluest Eye_), but her later work, esp. _Beloved_ is to my mind sophisticated, magical, and deeply moving. And in no way do I find her as self-consciously postmodern as any of the other authors discussed in that article. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :-) - --Michael NP: Nina Simone, _High Priestess of Soul_ ===== ____________________________________________________________ "Greetings cards routinely tell us everybody deserves love. No. Everybody deserves clean water. Not everybody deserves love all the time." - --Zadie Smith, _White Teeth_ Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:19:40 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: another plane went down in NY There's no indication yet as to whether or not this was a criminal act. Eye witnesses saw something falling from the plane just prior to it going down in the Queens. In any event they've closed all airports as well as bridges and tunnels. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:28:18 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: re: chemo, death (njc) Colin wrote: The one thing that frigtens me the most about getting some painful disease is losing my right to live my as I choose and and to end it when i wish. ... Did you know, btw, that chemo and radiation often cause death? I didn't. I must echo that this is still my biggest fear. (I still don't know if they will be recommending chemo again, but my choice at this point is not to do it. I do believe it would kill me, after having had a bowel resection. Chemo kills the lining of the digestive tract. Talk about harmful! and, without getting too technical, I do think one of my other medical options is actually more effective) Anyway, I suspect most people know when it's their time. Like some others on this list (Walt, I'm thinking of you, in particular) I've been closer than I ever wanted to be. It's possible to come back from the brink. But I think there is also a point when you know you just don't have it in you. When you can't live under the shadow anymore. I think it's more humane to let go. Anyway, I don't mean to be quite so grim. It is, however, a very serious subject. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:33:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni Tribute Band in Italy Ace Joni cover hunter & gatherer Monica has found a website for a Joni tribute band in Italy. http://www.selfi.supereva.it/?p Excellent work, Monica! The site even has 4 songs you can download and listen to: Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock Chinese Cafe Twisted Just click on "audio" at the bottom of the site, and then you have to convert the files to mp3's. Way over my head, but maybe some of you can pull it off and get some free listens! And yes, I'm already on the case in terms of getting these for our collection! ;~) Bob NP: Erykah Badu, "Hey Sugah" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:55:04 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute Band in Italy In a message dated 11/12/01 10:34:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Just click on "audio" at the bottom of the site, and then you have to > convert the files to mp3's. Way over my head, but maybe some of you can > pull it off and get some free listens! > right click on the file then save target as, back off the txt ext. and type mp3 in it's place. It's in English too ;~) NP: Big Yellow Taxi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:07:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: chemo, death (njc) Anne Sandstrom wrote: > Colin wrote: > The one thing that frigtens me the most about getting some painful disease > is losing my right to live my as I choose and and to end it when i wish. > ... > Did you know, btw, that chemo and radiation often cause death? I didn't. > > I must echo that this is still my biggest fear. (I still don't know if they > will be recommending chemo again, but my choice at this point is not to do > it. I do believe it would kill me, after having had a bowel resection. Chemo > kills the lining of the digestive tract. Talk about harmful! and, without > getting too technical, I do think one of my other medical options is > actually more effective) > Oh dear anne, I am so sorry for having been so thoughtless. John's nephew has had treatemtn for stomach cancer twice since he was in his middle 20's. He is now 35 and well. love colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:13:19 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: chemo, death (njc) Colin wrote: Oh dear anne, I am so sorry for having been so thoughtless. Hi Colin. I'm not sure why you think you were being thoughtless. I know the reality of my situation really well and what my options are. If anything, it's good for everyone to be reminded of how precious and fragile life is. (And yet, how strong the will to live can be as well...) Posts like yours remind us that chemo and radiation are simply not good enough. And now, as a fighter jet flies overhead - presumably heading out from nearby Hanscom, possibly to New York (they've already sent planes from Otis AFB on Cape Cod) I mourn for those who saw the sun rise for the last time this morning. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 11:38:25 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: The Last Waltz Errrr! Incorrect! She opened most often with Help Me on the 1976 tour. Mark At 8:37 AM -0500 11/12/01, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: ><> > >Cool! Welcome to the list, Russ...pretty awesome that you were at >The Last Waltz. What a great show, Neil Diamond notwithstanding. > >That re-arranged "Shadows & Light" is similar to the version she >played on her 1976 Hissing tour. Matter of fact, she opened her >shows on that tour with it. > >Thanks for your intro, looking forward to hearing more from you. > >Bob > >NP:(Now Playing): B-52's, "Hot Pants Explosion" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:53:04 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Fwd: GrooveLily @ Cutting Room Mon 11/19! 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I stand corrected, and thanks for the clarification. (But is it REALLY worth an "Errrr"! ;~D) Bob NP: Erykah Badu, "In Love With You" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:59:15 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: chemo, death (njc) > Hi Colin. I'm not sure why you think you were being thoughtless. I know the > reality of my situation really well and what my options are. If anything, > it's good for everyone to be reminded of how precious and fragile life is. > (And yet, how strong the will to live can be as well...) Posts like yours > remind us that chemo and radiation are simply not good enough. well I just felt 'oh god you stuck your foot in it again.' I didn;t feel you needed reminding of your situation. You know, I only just found out about the dangers of chemo and radiation. It shocked me. I always knew chemo made people ill but that was it. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:53:52 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hollywood Propaganda Joni slant NJC Mike paraphrased me: > Let me see if I have this clear. Lies from the >government is 'a slant' and lies from marxist >groups are 'outright lies' Well, to give a non-political example of slant vs. outright lie - here would be what I consider slant: "Joni Mitchell is one of the most successful musical artists of all time, critically acclaimed throughout her 35 year career for her best-selling albums such as "Blue" and "Court and Spark." Here would be a positive spin or slant on Joni that is not at all an outright lie. However, the slant writer has omitted, either purposely or unknowingly, any mention of those albums which were not best sellers or critically acclaimed. Here, in contrast. is an example of an outright lie: "Judy Collins wrote some of Joni Mitchell's most well-known hits, including "Both Sides Now" and "Chelsea Morning." Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 15:58:50 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: The Last Waltz In a message dated 11/12/01 8:39:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Cool! Welcome to the list, Russ...pretty awesome that you were at The Last Waltz. What a great show, Neil Diamond notwithstanding. >> I think Neil was one of the best performers there! -big Neil Diamond fan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:16:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: socialism, capitalism NJC Yael wrote: >I couldn't let this go by without saying that the US is probably the very least socialist of > all the post-industrial countries in the world! For better or for worse > (and I think for worse). And that's all I'm going to say. Just because the U.S. is not totally socialist does not mean we don't have much the same benefits of a socialist system. Look at all the social programs which are funded by American capitalist taypayers - Social Security, Medicare, General Relief (Welfare), food Stamps, low-income housing, no-income housing, unemployment Insurance, free public education through age 18, subsidized education in public colleges and universities, tax write-offs for dependents and child care services, federal assistance for home buyers, federal assistance for student loans, no-interest small business loans. In addition in many states such as California we have Medi-Cal for anyone who doesn't have health insurance and Disability insurance. > I think the best direction for a post-industrial nation to go is towards social democracy > (see Sweden). Why would someone care about high taxes when they are > guaranteed high quality health care, schooling, child care, have a great > quality of life with time for work and for leisure... Why would we need it when we already have it. See above. Plus Sweden is a country with a fairly homogenous population of 8,835,000 (less than the city of L.A. alone) while the U.S. has an incredibly diverse population of 300 million residing in 50 states covering millions of square miles. Easy for Sweden to control it's social democracy with such a small population and country. Impossible and impractical to implement their system in the U.S. > And as far as why there are Marxists in the U.S. "profiting" from the > capitalist system... I said they were benefiting from the U.S. system, not "profiting." >There are Marxists who are U.S. citizens. The U.S. is > their home. Why should they leave? I never said they should leave. >Perhaps they would rather work towards change. It is extremely difficult to live in the U.S. and not be an > accomplice in exploitative systems. That doesn't mean that everyone who feels concerned about this should leave! Wouldn't >that be convenient... suddenly they'd be... gone. I just don't understand why someone who felt this country was so bad would want to live here. If this country changes over time not to my liking, I would leave it. In fact, I often feel it's the ones who want to completely overturn our system who would be happiest if those who disagreed with them would just be forced to go away quietly. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:42:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: socialism, capitalism NJC > If this country changes over time not to my liking, I > would leave it. How would you that? I have often wondered this. I know I couldn't leave this country no matter what. Laws of other countreis make that impossible. Where would you go legally as an American citizen? Can you somehow by pass the laws of other countries? Do American citizens have different rights than the rest of the world? You couldn't come here, unless you married a Brit(sorry I am taken). Or would you leave everything behind and be a penniless refugee? Here, I often here white people say to people of colour they should elave if they don't like it. Where would they go to? Most are born here, are Brits. Leaving your own country is not easy-unless you are a Doctor or some other needed profession. Although I know of a lorry driver who is emigrating to Canada because Canada needs lorry drivers. (If I could, I'd love to live in Canada) bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:46:55 +0000 From: colin Subject: books NJC I am a sucker for high brow American Literature. I have just bought the latest Cornwall(Isle of Dogs-which is where i used to live in London-or next door), a Dean Koontz novel, the latest Armistead maupin (tho i didn't like it), and a Stephen King novel(thought i'd see if he had come back to earth yet). - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:38:56 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: The Student Song Interesting message I received forwarded with the author's permission. Les >From: "McAuliffe, Jon" >Subject: The Student Song > >Hi: > >Once upon a time, long, long ago on >the backstreets of Detroit, I wandered into a little coffee house on the >campus of the University of Detroit to partake of the music of a guy I'd >heard about, one Chuck Mitchell. On that particular night he had a friend >along for the ride by the name of Joan Anderson (yes, I know you know this >story). I went back to this coffee house, The Chessmate, many times >thereafter, both to steal chords from Chuck and to hear this fascinating >young woman who wrote her own songs and played them on an odd little >instrument called a tipple. A Martin, no less, as I recall. > >Eventually I became a Joan Anderson groupie of sorts, I guess you'd say. I >have a lot of really great memories of those days, one of which includes >Joni asking me for a lead sheet of a song I'd written that she'd heard me >fooling around with a couple of hours before she and Chuck did their set at >the Chessmate. > >Anyway, my real reason for writing is this. I've long remembered a >particular title she used to perform then of a song whose melody I've long >since forgotten. She used to emphasize that she'd written it and that was >somewhat unique as she covered a number of other people's songs then, as >well. I remember "Nancy Whiskey", a song also performed then by Ian & >Sylvia tunes (someone did it before I&S). I remember Chuck & Joan doing >Chet Powers' "Get Together", and so on. > >But I wonder if anyone's ever seen a set of lyrics for The Student Song or >actually come across a recording of it anywhere? > >Jon McAuliffe >Ashland, Mass. >mcjon@sandw.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:52:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: bjork! njc happy birthday bjork!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:18:18 -0500 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: General Greetings, NJC, short Congratulations, Kate. Welcome back, Michael. Condolences again, New York. Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:22:45 -0800 (PST) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Karen Peris/innocence mission now NJC i absolutely love the innocence mission, and am proud to say that i have been a big fan since they first hit the scene. karen's voice is so unique, and their lyrics are amazing. they never really got big, but had a couple of alternative radio hits back when alternative still kind of meant new wave. does that make sense??? ;-) i haven't yet purchased their new one, but hope to soon. anyway, i would highly recommend the first album, self titled. it is one of my favorite albums of all time. now i must listen to it on my way home from work. alison e. in slc np: joni, how do you stop - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > "Of all the new singer-songwriters, Karen Peris is > the most interesting to me." Joni Mitchell > It lead me > to Karen's band "Innocence Mission". The only time > i've ever heard Karen was on Night Ride Home and > nothing would make me happier than to listen to > Joni's "most interesting" singer's songs. I never > heard anything by Innocence Mission and they seem to > have more than a few. If anyone can please tell me > which one of their albums (or songs) is the most > worthy and should be listened to, > Nuri Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:21:46 -0500 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Re: Shadows & Light bio, NJC, silly So..... she's........ ..... available? Kate quoted Kakki, >>>My own personal hunch is that Joni is probably brimming over with music and lyrics from recent events (and also perhaps the concurrent break-up with Donald).<<< Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:04:08 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The Gallery that never saw light Wait a minute buster!!! What time constraints??? I don't recall anyone telling you to get off the fecking stage. Especially with dem to babes in yo band. Paz on 11/12/01 6:31 AM, Chuck Eisenhardt at chucke@tiac.net wrote: > Towards the end of this year's Northeast fest Leslie Mixon and Claudia and > I > were working on an arrangement of The Gallery that was totally transcendent. > What voices these guys have! Anyway, we didn't get to do it because of time > constraints, but hey, there's always next year! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 19:59:56 -0500 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Welcoming Prot and other new JMDLers, NJC Greetings, Prot. I hope you'll consider attending a JoniFest sometime. Much music you will find there. Much produce too. I have found that produce tastes best in the company of friends and live music. May I assume that travel from K-PAX will not be a concern? Will you post a photo in the JMDL gallery? It's at: http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/profiles.cfm Lama ps. Everyne, there are **LOTS** of new faces in the Gallery! That's outstanding. Love to see new folks participating! BTW, would Yvonne Overton (of the UK, seen in the Gallery) please contact me, offlist? I have a marriage proposal to deliver. Thank you. (Hee hee, I'm so clever.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 01:15:24 +0000 From: colin Subject: Paz NJC I just saw your pic in the gallery. My how you have changed. Your hair has grown much and I was shocked to see how it had turned so white. Boy, you really needed the break then? - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 17:59:04 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Noel by Joan Baez re-released NJC > It had "Cantique de Noel" which is "O Holy Night" sung in German. > > French. Ok so I'm knit picking! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:19:46 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Noel by Joan Baez re-released NJC That would be "nit" picking but if I were to say that, I'd be nit picking and I don't do that so I will not point it out... (the Rev) Vince Mark or Travis wrote: > > It had "Cantique de Noel" which is "O Holy Night" sung in German. > > > > > > French. Ok so I'm knit picking! > > Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:26:34 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: chemo, death (njc) > well I just felt 'oh god you stuck your foot in it again.' I didn;t feel you > needed reminding of your situation. You know, I only just found out about the > dangers of chemo and radiation. It shocked me. I always knew chemo made people > ill but that was it. > bw > colin > A mild form of chemo (bleomycin?) that Edward had for Karposi's lesions brought on the CMV pneumonia that eventually killed him. I realize that it does help some people, however. But I hope you don't have to have it again, Anne. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:38:00 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Paz NJC It's all this talk about politics and shit will do it everytime. I do think I look more distinguished as opposed to the old goofy Paz. Nice sweater by the way! Was the picture inverted or did you really put the logo on the right breast?? If it is indeed on the right breast is their any special meaning? I bet it looks stunning on Mary Grace. How about a pic MG of you modeling this work of love. Paz P.S. That pic was snapped by Kakki at Atty May's after the first NE Jonifest. on 11/12/01 5:15 PM, colin at colin@tantra-apso.com wrote: > I just saw your pic in the gallery. My how you have changed. Your hair > has grown much and I was shocked to see how it had turned so white. Boy, > you really needed the break then? > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > Passap 6000, Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 20:42:30 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Tribute Band in Italy I sent them an email commending them on the performances and telling them more about the JMDL and Jonifests etc. Thanks for the tip Bob. BTW a package was mailed out to you today VIA UPS. It's your usual allotment of medication. Enjoy! Paz on 11/12/01 7:33 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Ace Joni cover hunter & gatherer Monica has found a website for a Joni tribute > band in Italy. > > http://www.selfi.supereva.it/?p > > Excellent work, Monica! The site even has 4 songs you can download and listen > to: > > Big Yellow Taxi > Woodstock > Chinese Cafe > Twisted > > Just click on "audio" at the bottom of the site, and then you have to convert > the files to mp3's. Way over my head, but maybe some of you can pull it off > and get some free listens! > > And yes, I'm already on the case in terms of getting these for our collection! > ;~) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:42:23 -0500 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: where it's at. 99% JC Mack, you bemoaned the lack of quality tunes for sale in Central Texas (USA). Without getting into the fact that Texas has given much to the world of music, I'll just point you to www.jmdl.com . Les has a link to purchase Karen O'Brien's bio "Shadows And Light". Or scroll down, ("down, down the dark black ladder") to a link to CDNOW. Purchasing online will ensure satisfaction especially because a modest portion of the proceeds go to supporting the bandwidth that Les has been providing to us since the Korean Confict. Last time I checked all 21 of Joni's titles were in print on CD. I think they have "Painting With Words and Music" on DVD and VHS Hi-Fi too. A Hong Kong dealer sells a fully liscenced DVD issue of "Shadows and Light" (with the scenes deleted from the VHS Hi-Fi release intact). My goodness, this is worth the price just to see Joni, Michael Brecker, Don Alias, Lyle Mays, Pat Metheny, and Jaco Pastorius play "The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines". Not to mention, this concert, astoundingly, features the finest guitar solo ever captured on magnetic tape. (Do I have to say the name? Do I have to speak the title?) Curse not, therefore, your local merchant. A cultured person, such as yourself, often finds that frequenting a foreign emporium is part of the allure, the cache of enjoying the finer things. Or, if you thirst for something smuggled in, like JMDL powered titles, try CD Baby for Kate Bennett's disc "Over The Moon" or Bryan Thomas'es "Radio Plastic Jennifer". (In 2002, expect a new one, "Ones And Zeros". Go, Bryan!) A must for every lover of Joni's jazz are David Lahm's "Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell" series, in two volumes. Or write to Victor Johnson directly for a copy of "Tangled". Also, I love Gregg Cagno's indie release "Present Moment Days". No idea how to obtain it though. (Gregg, are you there? Do you have other discs available?) And so, yes, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" is something special. It is worth seeking out, as are "For The Roses" (right Michael?), "Court And Spark", "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter", "Blue".... oh, hell, you get the point. There's a lot to like. As Grace implored, oh so long ago: Feed you head. Lamadoo np: JMDL'er Fred Simon's "Songs Of My Youth Volume 1". ps- If it's out of print video you seek, send one blank VHS tape and return postage each for "Refuge Of The Roads" or "Come In From The Cold" with stereo tracks intact. This offer is open to EVERYONE unless and until these videos are released again. I assume you already have the JMDL video tree, on four (!) VHS tapes. If not, contact me offlist for this too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:54:27 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: the Niemoeller quote - NJC from: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/Niemoller_quote.html This quotation is often cited incorrectly. The exact phrasing was supplied by Sibylle Sarah Niemoeller von Sell, Martin Niemoeller's wife. The remark was made in reply to a student's question, "How could it happen?" First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me." Martin Niemoeller The timeliness of this quote again is in the suspension of basic civil liberties of the American constitutional judicial system - such as the right to client-attorney confidentiality - to those incarcerated by the federal government, as it is being applied to the hundreds of people held now without being charged with any crime. There is the sanguine view, "oh, they must all be terrorists and to suspend their basic civil rights is just fine." Hence, time to quite Niemoeller again. An interesting sidelight on how John Ashcroft suspended basic civil rights : it was not with any courageous, forthright presentation made to the American people, such as would be done by a person of integrity, especially the head of the justice department who took an oath to uphold the Constitution. No, nothing up front about Ashcroft at all. He had his suspension of basic rights of attorney-client privilege published in the 31 October Federal Register. For those who have not seen a Federal Register, it is the size of a big city phone book most days, filled with small print, tedious regulations and such. In other words, Ashcroft buried this. It takes a week or more for a Federal Register to be read and that is why it took until the end of last week to discover what Ashcroft had done. And that means, among other things, that those being held in detention, and their attorneys, spoke to each other on "secure" phones that were tapped, without their knowledge, for the week to nine days it took for this change in policy to be discovered. Thus we are confronted with these possibilities: A. we will have people accused of crimes that stir high passions in the public, and their trials will not be fair because of the breach of confidentiality and then the inability to have confidentiality. The prosecution has a slight edge (being sarcastic) when they can listen in at will to the defense attorney and the client. These trials may approach Stalin's show trials for fairness. and B. people who are indeed guilty will be convicted in these tainted trials and there is a major risk that at some point the appellate courts will overturn the convictions of the guilty because of the fatal fundamental breach of the right to a fair trial and effective counsel. One of the reasons we have the safeguards built into the system, one reason we have civil liberties, is to ensure that those convicted are convicted fairly and thus not able to get their convictions overturned. The Ashcroft actions are inviting of appellate challenges of any convictions, and those challenges may be upheld and the guilty will eventually go free. So with the Niemoeller quote in mind, maybe I will close with the 3rd verse of my favorite patriotic song, offering this as a prayer, for we are losing our way: O beautiful for patriot dream That sees beyond the years Thine alabaster cities gleam, Undimmed by human tears! America! America! God mend thine every flaw, Confirm thy soul in self control, Thy liberty in law. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #545 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?