From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #544 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, November 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 544 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hollywood? No big deal NJC [colin ] Re: One of the Hollywood Ten. NJC (long) ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni Tribute (long) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Shadows & Light bio ["jlamadoo, home account" ] RE: New Joni Documentary? ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Noel by Joan Baez re-released NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Joni on another L.A. Mag list ["Kakki" ] Hello [Prot Prot ] RE: Hello ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: One of the Hollywood Ten. NJC (long) [dsk ] Re: Hollywood? No big deal NJC ["Kakki" ] RE: Joni Tribute (long) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: November 11th (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Way to go Kate! (sjc) [RobSher50@aol.com] disinformation NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:30:25 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Hollywood? No big deal NJC would I be wrong in assuming Ashcroft supports capital punishment? In this country, if you allowed an animal to suffer, like with cancer, you would be imprisoned. Keeping someone alive when they don't wnat to be and can;t do it themselves, is a disgrace, really wicked. Here Diane Pretty has been going to court to get the right to die with her husbands help. So far she has lost. She is doing this so that her husband would not be prosecuted. She is completely disabled with motor nuerone disease and is suffering greatly. The one thing that frigtens me the most about getting some painful disease is losing my right to live my as I choose and and to end it when i wish. The thought of being at the mercy of drs and the law and having them keep me alive against my will is terrifying. This is likely to lead to me ending my life before it needs to be, to be sure I don't end up powewrless. I am sure many people do this, before it is necessary. Did you know, btw, that chemo and radiation often cause death? I didn't. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 16:34:43 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: One of the Hollywood Ten. NJC (long) Mike asked: > Do you think everything that comes from marxist sources is propaganda? I don't read everything written by them so I can't say that everything is propaganda. But I've seen outright lies propogated by them many times. For example, I disproved Scheer's column where he alleged that Bush paid the Taliban $43 million to stop growing opium. Nonetheless, that lie is still being spread all over to this day by extreme leftists groups and media and being believed by moderates. The propagation of outright lies does nothing, IMO, for the good of the U.S. Reasonable informed discussion and diversity of viewpoints should ideally be our strength. Getting sidetracked into arguments over lies is a total waste and destructive. >Do you think that nothing the US government publishes or produces is propaganda? No doubt there has been a slant coming from the U.S. government and certain media enablers for years and unfortunately often a lot of people believe it unthinkingly. >Do you think people are so gullible? Why don't you credit people with > intelligence? Do you think nobody is able to read information from many > sources and see the bigger picture or form an opinion? I think they do but I've seen examples in recent years where otherwise intelligent people haved believed things without questioning. Part of the problem is that most rely on only a few national news outlets and never delve deeper or check out any other sources. > Do you really think marxists and anarchists are the same thing? If not, why do > you think marxists would be moved by anarchist motivations? If you do, why? You might want to check out the websites of varioius marxist-type groups here in the U.S. Many openly state they are "anarchists." Why? Maybe because they feel so strongly about their causes and feel they are not getting their way that they feel justified in using disruptive means to get attention. > Don't you? Are they? So why do you imply that these people who are 'entitled > to their beliefs and opinions' are duped by propaganda when the opinion they > form does not coincide with your own? I care about my fellow Americans and have seen too many duped for too long. I'm sorry if that makes me seem condescending but I've kept my mouth shut all my life until fairly recently. Look at the mess we are in right now. How much can be attributed to people not being given enough information or being duped into being distracted and concerned over trivial issues while a huge elephant loomed in the living room, so to speak? >I see that around 40 Hollywood executives were meeting government > officials in order to be briefed about what material they might like to > contribute to the war effort. If this is not propaganda, then my name is > Thomas Jefferson. It will be interesting to see what people like Susan > Sarandon, Tim Robbins, and others of the Hollywood left have to say on this. > Even more reason to see 'One of the Hollywood Ten'. I include the piece at > the end of this mail. The Guardian - hmmmmmm. I've been reading the Guardian's pieces since this began and if you can say with a straight face that they are not anti-American, than I don't know what more to say. I've seen their colimnists repeat the same lies about us that other have long disproven. They leap at comment on the negative about the U.S. I never see an objective, balanced view from them. As soon as I heard the U.S. government wanted to meet with Hollywood, I KNEW that certain sectors would immediately jump on this and cry "propaganda." So did Hollywood, because the coverage we are getting here is of the Hollywood powers bending over backward to say they will not be a propaganda arm. But I guess if they want to support the U.S. or defense effort at all they are propagandists. You must be familiar with the role of Hollywood during WWII? They did exactly the same thing to assist the country. > I'm sure there must be thousands of Marxists working in the USA and perhaps > they have been doing so for many years, many of them for the whole of their > working lives. Has the USA fallen to communism? No. Have these people made > enormous contributions to US society in many fields, such as Education, > Labour, Showbusiness and many others? Yes. I think people as individuals have made enormous contributions to U.S. society in all fields. All kinds of people from every background and ideological belief. I'm sure there are good people who call themselves marxist who have also done good. >Do all marxists wish to see the US become a workers' republic? I doubt it. Hmmm, who knows? It is interesting that the one's here are making their living and enjoying their lives here from our capitalist system. It's sort of paradoxical to me that they would want to hold an ideology which is against our system, while at the same time benefitting from it. The U.S. IS quite socialist already and has been for about 60+ years. It's good to find a nice balance between the capitalist and socialist plurality of our system and I think we handle it pretty well, but it sometimes needs adjustments a bit to the left or a bit to the right. I think some of the extremists, however, would like to throw the baby out with the bath water, sometimes, too. >Given the above, should we dump all marxists into the same pot and say that they are trying to bring down the US > government or are against 'anything that the U.S. does to begin with'? I don't > think so. Are all marxists against the war? I don't know. Do you? I don't know if they all are, either, but some of their organizations definitely are and this is fact you can find by searching around on the internet. Some of their groups, which openly identify themselves as marxist, have been holding anti-war demonstrations all over the country since practically the day of 9/11. This is fact. Many people think it is very interesting how some on the extreme left want to put all their positions out there everyday yet have a huge snit if anyone disagrees or takes issue with them. The U.S. has been pretty tolerant of opposing views, even the extreme ones, for a long time now. But many for years, in an effort to be tolerant and not be thought narrow and McCarthyite, have not spoken up much. The pendulum of events have swung now, and many do not like it. But it's reality and I guess we will muddle through it as best we can. Of course you are right that not all marxists are the same, and I feel badly about marxists on the list from other countries who are coming from a completely different experience and have perhaps completely different concerns. They are certainly entitled to have their own beliefs for what they think is best for their countries. But it often seems a lot of them don't give Americans the same respect for our beliefs. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:44:58 -0700 From: kateb@katebennett.com Subject: Re: Shadows & Light bio Received: from o2.hostbaby.com ([66.70.32.39]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with SMTP id fABJT1Rj022697 for ; Sun, 11 Nov 2001 14:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 5281 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2001 19:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO oemcomputer) (207.71.218.33) by 0 with SMTP; 11 Nov 2001 19:28:58 -0000 From: "Kate Bennett" To: Subject: Subject: Re: Shadows & Light bio Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 11:31:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200111110800.fAB80g7B000848@smoe.org> Kakki wrote >>>My own personal hunch is that Joni is probably brimming over with music and lyrics from recent events (and also perhaps the concurrent break-up with Donald).<<< LOL. As any songwriter can tell you a break up is such fertile ground for the muse!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:45:00 -0700 From: kateb@katebennett.com Subject: Re: TV Land Honors Joni Bob, you are amazing...this was so funny! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:44:48 -0700 From: kateb@katebennett.com Subject: New Joni Documentary? Last night a friend of mine told me that he had a friend who was working on a documentary of Joni, travelling with her, etc...for VH1 (I think). Has this been mentioned already? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:44:51 -0700 From: kateb@katebennett.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute (long) Bob wrote >>>And I know what you mean about the place being sold out...when we had the Howlin' Wolf gig, and all these people come in, it just reinforces our feelings about Joni's greatness and just how deep her fan base is.<<< So so so so true. Her fan base is very deep & wide...I just got a call from someone who was in the audience the other night & she asked me what the name of the album Joni did with Mingus & how she could get it (cuz the local record store had no clue)!!!! (I had been sharing stories of Joni as we travelled through her works chronologically & as I was getting ready to play Night Ride Home I had my bass player read a bit about her relation with Mingus...& so I made sure to explain to the audience that I would NOT be playing a song from that album this time around!). In the last few days I have had so many folks tell me they were there or that they had heard about the tribute...lots of great feedback on how much they loved hearing about Joni history so my enourmous gratitude to all of you jmdlers & especially Les & to Jim & Wally's work at jonimitchell.com for providing me with all of this info. People were really fascinated & there may be one or more new jmdl members joining up from SB! To any of you songwriters out there, I really encourage you to do one of these Joni Tributes in your town...you will be AMAZED at how people adore her! One more story...when I was plastering the town with posters...(Jeff created them & used her self-portrait from Turbulent Indigo)...at one of the Borders I had to get permission to put the poster up but when the employee looked at the poster he said OH, JONI! I love Joni, I will make sure to personally get this up!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:44:55 -0700 From: kateb@katebennett.com Subject: Guitar discussion Paul wrote >>>His 'Alternate Tuning Guide for Contemporary Folk Music' is at http://www.museweb.com/ag/technique.html#tunings and includes tunings for songs by the likes of Bob Bennett (any relation, Kate?),<<< no relation ....as far as i know! >>>>Edie Brickell , Jonatha Brooke/The Story, Wendy Bucklew, Mary Chapin Carpenter, Shawn Colvin, Billy Crockett, Ani DiFranco, Kat Eggleston, Bob Franke, Greg Greenway (met Greg at the Folk Alliance in Vancouver - what a nice guy!!), <<<< yes, he is a great & talented guy...i met him a few years ago when he toured here...i remember it being a small, but mostly singer/songwriter, audience who sang along with him on one of his songs....a fun evening ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:22:14 -0800 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Joni Documentary? This is great news! It's LONG overdue if this is correct. Hopefully they will mention the two best web sites in the universe in the doc. Paz NP-Crush-Dave solo live on 11/11/01 5:44 PM, kateb@katebennett.com at kateb@katebennett.com wrote: > Last night a friend of mine told me that he had a friend who was working on > a documentary of Joni, travelling with her, etc...for VH1 (I think). Has > this been mentioned already? > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:37:52 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Tribute (long) << To any of you songwriters out there, I really encourage you to do one of these Joni Tributes in your town...you will be AMAZED at how people adore her! >> I'm hoping I can talk my buddy at The Handlebar to do a Joni benefit night. They've done them for Dylan & The Beatles & The Rolling Stones...speaking of the Handlebar, I had a good time last night sharing a meal with Victor and watching him perform with Cosmic Charlie. Sorta weird to see him playing keyboards in another band, but he sounded GREAT! He had a couple of solos and really put his musicianship on display. He done us proud, y'all. Let's hope he can keep getting some good breaks as he needs some now. As for Cosmic Charlie, they sounded MUCH too tight to be the Grateful Dead! ;~) And the singers sounded just like Garcia & Weir...really bizarre! Also bizarre were the people who were dancing to the band. It more resembled the scene from "Night Of The Living Dead" with everyone shuffling around. But I had a good time, I had to leave after the first set but the people were coming in pretty steady. Bob NP: Joni, "Crazy Cries of Love" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:43:30 -0500 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Shadows & Light bio "The Last Waltz" was hours and hours long. Like Kate's show and Michael's "Howlin' Wolf" show, most people did sets. Maybe our Archivist has a setlist. Lama Mark said, >>>>>When talking about 'The Last Waltz', Karen says Joni returned to the stage 'to join Neil Young on harmony vocals when The Band played 'Acadian Driftwood'. Now the only song I'm aware of that Joni sang harmony with Neil on in 'The Last Waltz' was 'Helpless'. I'm not familiar with 'Acadian Driftwood'. Was it performed in 'The Last Waltz' concert and if so, did Joni provide harmony vocal? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 18:53:02 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: New Joni Documentary? Well when my friend told me his friend was doing a documentary on Joni, I started to tell him about some amazing resources (the 2 websites) should her friend need them which is when he told me that she was actually WITH Joni... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:55:30 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Noel by Joan Baez re-released NJC In a message dated 11/11/01 4:26:38 PM, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: > >You mean the geniuses in the record company released an album named "Noel" >that >did *not* have "The First Noel" on it? It had "Cantique de Noel" which is "O Holy Night" sung in German. there was actually another extra track which I left out. Burgundian Carol, which I had never heard before. I liked it a lot. Mary People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:01:30 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni on another L.A. Mag list The November Los Angeles magazine has a great piece on "L.A.'s Top 100 Songs" covering the '30s through today and written by Steve Erickson. Some of his commentary is just priceless. Joni weighs in at No. 49 for "Blue." Erickson writes "Acid booze and ass, needles guns and grass, lots of laughs..." ..."an epitaph for the 60s to whomever didn't already know they were dead." Most of many all-time favorites are on the list including songs from Waits, Brian Wilson, Marvin Gaye, Charlie Parker, X, GoGos ("part pop tart and part razor blade"), Judy Garland, Emmylou (with great photo included), Smokey, Wanda Jackson, Dylan. Another of my favorite songs - No. 42 "Alone Again Or" by Love - "all of the multiple personalities of this strange band never came together more effectively than here, with the lyric of hippie optimism offset by the ominous melody. Arthur Lee's black punk harmony vocal overshadowing Bryan MacLean's folk soul lead vocal, flamenco guitar threading psycheldelic strings, and Spanish horns that the producer later felt compelled to apologize for when in fact they're the most inspired touch of all. If this was the soundtrack of the Sunset Strip - and it was - it was also a warning of paradise lost." No. 19 the recently discussed "Louie, Louie" - Richard Berry and No. 1 - "A Change is Gonna Come" - Sam Cooke. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 20:51:15 -0800 (PST) From: Prot Prot Subject: Hello Hello humans and fellow Joni worshippers. We have heard of Joni on K-PAX and admire her very much. She is very advanced for a human being. Quite insightful, too. Even though we do not have the concept of 'family' here on K-PAX, your messages across the galaxy have made me feel like a member of your family for the first time in my entire life (347 of your years.) Thank you for that honour. I think now it is time for my 'Fastest Gun In The West' routine. See you all soon, I hope. BTW, your produce is my favourite thing here. Prot from K-PAX Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:01:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hello hello and welcome, prot! will you be visiting earth any time soon? wallyK, fellow alien - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Prot Prot Enviado el: Lunes, 12 de Noviembre de 2001 01:51 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Hello Hello humans and fellow Joni worshippers. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 00:48:19 -0500 From: dsk Subject: Re: One of the Hollywood Ten. NJC (long) Kakki wrote: > > The Guardian - hmmmmmm. I've been reading the Guardian's pieces since this > began and if you can say with a straight face that they are not > anti-American, than I don't know what more to say. I'd say they are quite critical about everything, including the US. I've seen their > colimnists repeat the same lies about us that other have long disproven. > They leap at comment on the negative about the U.S. I never see an > objective, balanced view from them. Well, no, and you never will. The Guardian is a left-wing paper and doesn't claim to give an objective view. There are mainstream papers that do aim for objectivity, such as the Christian Science Monitor, NY Newsday, NY Times and the Washington Post (although right-wingers would probably disagree about the last two), and then there are others that don't. I know before looking at anything in the right-wing NY Post, which is almost a tabloid it's so trashy but it does have "news" stories, that it will never have anything positive in there about Democrats. So, it's up to the reader to be aware of each paper's bias. And all rules of objectivity are off when it comes to editorials or specific columnists. Those writers are trying to convince, which right away means they're not telling the whole story. The good thing about reading biased papers, whether they're left- or right-wing, is that they'll bring up topics that the mainstream press doesn't usually pay as much attention to. I know there will always be an article in the left-wing Village Voice, for example, about the current erosion of our civil liberties, and not just a factual piece, but an "I'm outraged" type of article. I know exactly what I'm supposed to think after reading one of those articles, and exactly what I'm supposed to think after reading something from a right-wing website such as CNSNews, but I don't know exactly what to think after reading an article in the NYTimes, which is why I consider that a more objective paper (or at least one that aims for objectivity). It's important to get information from many different sources and always to keep in mind where the information is coming from. Just a couple of other things: Mike, most definitely Hollywood will be involved in a propaganda campaign, along with the Madison Avenue advertising executive that was just hired by the Bush administration. I'm glad there's some attempt being made to counter bin Laden's propaganda. He's very good at it, very persuasive. The fact that so many people believe the US is trying to kill all Muslims shows just how good a media man he is. All this talk about Marxism lately... it seems there's some confusion about Marxism as an economic theory and that theory as attempted in communist countries, which have ended up corrupting the theory. Marxism is such an extreme and idealistic theory it may never work well anywhere since it lends itself to so much government involvement that totalitarian regimes can make easy use of it. It's interesting to me that its opposite on the political spectrum, fascism, leads to totalitarianism, too. Anyway, I think there are valuable lessons to be learned from Marxist theory, not to be unthinkingly swallowed whole, but not seen as something so scary it's completely dismissed either. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 21:51:03 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hollywood? No big deal NJC Vince wrote: > As far as the usual "conservative" position of state rights, Ashcroft is the poster boy for > hypocrisy - as well as for a nice violation of the conservative doctrine > of non-governmental intrusion into people's private lives. From what I've been hearing many "conservatives" agree with you on this one. Another good example of the Feds impinging on states' rights and moreso impinging on private rights. > Ashcroft's other decision was to allow the government to listen in on > all conversations between attorneys and their clients for those held in > detention and/or arrest for anything related to September 11th. That > eliminates a whole series of civil liberties - the right to > confidentiality between the accused and their lawyer, the right to > effective counsel and effective defense, the right to a presumption of > innocence. From what I've read it only applies to 13 terrorists being held who they believe are still plotting They are being told upfront that their conversations will be monitored. Not that I agree with this - under normal circumstances - but these are not normal times. In times of war many civil liberties have been blunted. Many conservatives are also with you on this one, however. Other people feel we've left the gate open way too long and sometimes in extreme cases the rights of the majority (protection against being terrorized and killed) supercede the rights of a few foreign terrorists. Interesting about conversations being monitored. That has been done to Americans in many areas of industry (especially the defense industry) for years and no one has ever said much about it. > Meanwhile, Bush in a little noticed executive order last week issued an > executive order to override federal law which says that all presidential > papers must ultimately be made public Again I think we have to trust that this is being done because we are at war, Vince. >After the bombing of the two US embassies, Clinton launched missile attacks on positions > where intelligence showed Osama to be. Evidently those missiles just > missed Osama - that is, those missiles which hit their intended target. So how good was the intelligence? > I remember a certain governor of Texas who joined with other Republicans > and the media wits in general in denouncing Clinton for going after > Osama bin Laden - yes, denouncing Clinton for going after bin Laden- > with the term "Wag the Dog" used nonstop to mock Clinton for supposedly > considering Osama bin Laden a major threat to the US only because > Clinton wanted to distract from the Lewinsky stuff. Many opposed it, including myself, because it was never made too clear why missiles were suddenly being launched without any public dialogue, or congressional approval or oversight as I recall. If Bush decided to lob a few cruise missiles suddenly into the Sudan tomorrow without anyone's approval or without most people knowing why, I'd be very alarmed at that, too. It really did seem like a token gesture on Clinton's part to many at the time. If he'd just settled up the Monica issue and moved on to address more serious national issues, we'd have all been better off right now perhaps. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 22:12:47 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni Tribute (long) thanks for the victor report bob...sounds like a fun evening...hope you showed those shuffling folks how to REALLY dance! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:27:41 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: November 11th (njc) Dear Julie Z. Webb, Happy belated birthday to you! I haven't seen your name on this list for a long time and it sure feels good to see it now! If you are lurking, I hope you had a fantastic birthday and I miss you tremendously! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 01:30:50 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Way to go Kate! (sjc) Sorry I'm a little late in sharing this with you Kate, but I am so very happy for the wonderful outcome of your concert. Thank you for sharing all the scary and happy details. It made me feel as if I were there! I am so proud of you! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 23:59:38 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: disinformation NJC My partner watches bad science fiction tv shows all the time. He was watching one for awhile called Earth: Final Conflict. It was supposed to take place in Washington DC, but it was filmed in a very poorly disgiused Toronto. We could find instances in almost every episode where there was some recognozable Toronto landmark visible. On top of that, there are no skyscrapers in DC, and this show always had this urban jungle look to it complete with high rise buildings. Once, they had an interior scene in what looked like a City Hall chamber, and you could plainly read the names of Toronto's boroughs which were painted on the walls at the top of the screen. Another example-in the movie the Opposite of Sex, (which I really like) there are scenes supposedly in South Bend, IN, where people are driving through mountains! Later, some charecters drive to a mountainous region of Canada, from South Bend, in a trip that appears to take a couple of hours at best. Then there's The Matrix, which is supposed to take place in Chicago but is filmed in Sydney and looks like it. > Makes me wonder how much disinformation we get from films. Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #544 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?