From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #533 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, November 4 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 533 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: November 3 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: November 3 [les@jmdl.com] Joni's Gay Album (X-rated) [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: Joni's guitar tunings [Howard ] Re: late night report (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] X-rated joni [all fetishes now] njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Obit - John (Jocko) Roberts - Woodstock Producer [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Joni's Birthday [Bobsart48@aol.com] (njc) Thanks, and Interesting Article... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] apocalypse? njc ["gene mock" ] Re: Christmas CDs NJC [Rhymes46@aol.com] Re: Joni on BRAVO!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] John Kelly's Joni tribute extended [Murphycopy@aol.com] children's books njc [evian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 03:20:05 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: November 3 On November 3 in Joni Mitchell History: 1968: From the Official Chronology: Joni performs the last of four nights at The Main Point in Bryn Mawr (a suburb of Philadelphia), playing two shows. 1998: Joni performs in Rochester. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981103.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainRochester1198.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 03:20:05 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: November 3 On November 3 these articles were published: 1998: "Dylan Takes a Chill Pill" - New York Post (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981103nyp.cfm 1998: "Mitchell and Dylan Among Friends" - New York Times (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981103nyt.cfm 1998: "On a Bill With Bob, Joni Gets Back to the Garden" - New York Daily News (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981103nydn.cfm 1998: "Pop Legends' Playful Sides" - New York Newsday (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981103nyn.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 649 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 09:34:56 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Joni's Gay Album (X-rated) Gordon wrote: <> Perhaps Joni should release an album purely for her Gay admirers. I suggest the following tracks. Homophobes and wilting violets please cover your eyes. :) I Had a Queen Willy (Real Good For Free) The Last Time I Sucked Richard The Nipple and the Bum This Guy Tonight God Must Be A Batty Man Woodsuck Friction Shiny Boys Man to Man Youre so Queer (Baby I dont care) Passion Play (When all the gays are free) The Only Boy in Town Two Gay Rooms Both Sides Now Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 11:44:32 +0000 From: Howard Subject: Re: Joni's guitar tunings It's not easy... either you need to go through the Joni guitar chords slowly, so others in the band can make a note of the key notes of each chord (very time consuming!), or you need to come up with chord names that others can follow. Either method takes time ... Of course the best solution is to have other players who can pick up the chords by ear, but this isn't easy. You may be able to take shortcuts where very similar guitar chord shapes are used throughout a song. For example, a song like Cherokee Louise has a lot of similar shapes: 5555xx, 7777xx etc for the major chords 9998xx, 2221xx etc for the minor chords. Once you work out the basic chord type for one shape (e.g 5555xx is Gadd9) you know that the 7777xx is the same chord shifted up - so it will be Aadd9. Similar thing for the minor chords (Bmadd9, Emadd9). It's not *quite* as simple as this though (things never are...!) because some of open strings are often added to the chords, but once you know the names of the open strings, you know these notes can be added to the chords. It's probably easier to break things down this way, as a basic chord types, with open string notes added, instead of working out the exact chord name each time. Howard Laurent Olszer wrote: > > > I think the fact that Joni always worked on alternate tunings, with the > > band used to "normal conventions" made it difficult for her in the early > > days to communicate her ideas. The band members were probably used to > > being told chord names and so on, but Joni's tunings made this > > difficult, and the complex sound of her chords also made it harder for > > the musicians to pick up the notes by ear. > > > > Howard > > Thanks for the info. I have exactly the same problem playing with non-Joni > fans. No problem with the sax + harp players. The others are lost. What > solutions might you recommend? What we need is a Joni songbook for the rest > of the band. But that's probably a long ways away. > > Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:11:06 -0800 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: late night report (njc) Victor: The song remains the same indeed. I was listening to a Dead band tonight even as you were. They opened for my friend's funk band in North Beach, San Francisco. Small planet, one love. I've been listening to American Beauty of late, religiously. Can't get enough of Ripple. What do you want me to do? Let's send Joni a Box of Rain. Coming home I drove over the Golden Gate Bridge listening to Tracy Chapman. We concur: money's only paper, only ink. And she's buying a stairway to Heaven. There was a National Guard humvee idling there in the fog. Friction in the space between. Few things are as beautiful as that bridge and the edge of the continent wonder water it spans. Beautiful as life itself. And life is beautiful...can I get a witness? Stream of conciousness, ya'll. I remember a Neil Young tour a year or so ago when he played at Concord Pavilion hereabouts...same place I saw Joni play dulcimer, piano and acoustic guitar in '83. Point is, he had candles situated on stage creating a living room for true believers. I'm mindful of the law of conservation of energy. Energy is neither created nor destroyed. Think about it. Thoughts? Right now I'm taking a moment to ponder sound and vision. Let's discuss. I love this list. Talked to Kakki, Yael, Paz, Marcel, Rose, Ashara and Alison this week. Yael sang and played for me over my cell phone so beautifully as I crossed the bridge on the blue Halloween moon on my way to Palo Alto. It was the first time I've heard her voice. Does anyone get the phenomenon known as goosebumps when enraptured by an epiphany? I did. I do. What a wonderful, talented woman she is. Got a postcard from Paz today he sent me from Nice, France. I'm visioning him remembering me as he wandered down the Champs D'llyse from cafe to cabaret. Such a blessing thinking how I feel to find such very good friends of mine. Kakki and I shared secrets over the phone and made plans to get together west coast style in Tahoe snow. It is always so wonderful to talk to her...I love her so, so much. Oh, I spoke to Big Walt, too, but never made it to the Castro. Still such a pleasure to connect voice to voice. I sensed our kindrid spirits even via satellite. Wednesday's Joni's birthday and my brother, Benji's too. I love being Scorpio with them. You don't know how it feels to be me. (Do you?) But I digress. Victor. Keep singing and playing. You're amazing. Thanks for sharing. Thank you all. It's late. The sun is rising in the east. Good morning. Good night. - -Julius - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "joni" Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:28 PM Subject: late night report (njc) > It's a little after midnight and I just returned home. Robert Plant is > howling from the other room, as I turned the on the tv and "The Song Remains > the Same" happened to be on. > > I really felt tonight that after playing with the dead band to rooms with a > hundred people, I've really retained the energy I experienced there and with > the powerful LRBaggs pickup I use, I could almost hear drums behind me and > in any case, conveyed all of that energy in my playing and it didn't make a > difference that there were only a few people in the room. It is a really > beautiful room to play in, with candles, about 8 couches, and several comfy > chairs. I wish there was some way I could beam people in by satellite. > > Victor > > setlist: > > Scarlet > Wendy > Way to Blue > American Beauty > Wanderlust > Amelia > Cassidy > Beneath the Silver Moon > Frontporch Dreaming > Free Man in Paris > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 08:51:13 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: late night report (njc) > > Wish we could have been there! Why don't you hitch a ride out to California > and come play at Kate's Joni tribute next week in Santa Barbara?! Are some > of the songs are your set list new originals? The only covers were Cassidy (Barlowe, Weir) and FMIP and Amelia. I love playing Amelia now, maybe more than any other song I've ever played...its just so beeeeauuuttiiiifulllll. I was thinking about Cassidy too as it really picks up on that theme of duality that Joni is always writing about...Barlowe wrote the words a few years after Jack Cassady died, as his own father was dying, and as Cassidy Law, a little girl, was being born. Such an interesting song... I considered flying out to LA for the tribute as there are such cheap flights right now ($118 round trip I think) but I just don't have enough pocket change. Its nice to pretend though... Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:54:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: X-rated joni [all fetishes now] njc some adult-themed, revamped joni: before: cactus tree; now: cactus tree [the ultimate s&m dildo] before: the dawntreader; now: the porntrader before: banquet; now: spank it. before: cherokee louise; now: share your key, louise [swinging suburbia] before: twisted; now: twisted [for the ball torture aficionado] before: lesson in survival; now: lesson in survival [erotic asphyxia tips] before: rainy night house; now: rainy tight house [latex and watersports] and you know there may be more... wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 09:12:44 +0600 (CST) From: Subject: Health news (NJC) Anne, so very good to know that you're up, around, and have rebounded from surgery so well! Must have been all those JMDL candles simultaneously lit at the hour of the procedure (): that, and your own good heart and fighting spirit. Jack, I'm so sorry to hear about your accident. "Heart and humor, and humility, will lighten up your heavy load." Well, at least the first two will! I know you've got plenty of both. And Walt, what GREAT news about your experience with tenofovir! I did a little checking, and discovered that this medication is being marketed by Gilead Sciences as VireadT tablets. I also skimmed the summary of a study, Gilead 902, which started out with 189 "antiretroviral experienced patients" and continued with 135 in an extension. In the extended arm of the study, resistance mutations associated with tenofovir were infrequent even at 96 weeks, and even in those showing resistance to other antiretrovirals they were receiving at the same time, such as protease inhibitors (Source: Medscape). How wonderful for you and so many others!! I wish all three of you good luck and good health for a long, long time to come. Warmly, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:46:25 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Obit - John (Jocko) Roberts - Woodstock Producer Below is the obit from yesterday's NY Times, re the passing of John Roberts, one of the producers of Woodstock. The obit does a nice job, I think, of capturing a bit of what he was like, particularly the third and the last paragraphs. I knew Jocko through bridge. We played in perhaps ten events as teammates (but never as partners). On one of those occasions we won the Reisinger Knockout teams - this is New York's most prestigious annual event, and since it is to date my only win in that event, I felt something of a special kinship to John. Jocko held his own playing against the top players in the country. He was also a true gentleman, and was universally liked in the often egotistical, cutthroat world of bridge - making him a rarity among bridge players. I last saw him in June at a tournament in the city - he was showing the effects of his struggle by then - and I spoke to him about the song Woodstock (which held a special place in his heart, no doubt). Listers who have seen the VH1 or MTV documentary about Woodstock may remember him from that - there were several interview scenes of him in that production, naturally enough. November 2, 2001 John P. Roberts, a Producer of Woodstock and Its Revivals, Dies at 56 By BEN SISARIO John P. Roberts, a promoter of the Woodstock Music and Art Fair in 1969 and a partner in its revivals in the 90's, died on Saturday at Mount Sinai Hospital in Manhattan. He was 56 and lived in Manhattan. The cause was cancer, said his wife, Rona Roberts. Mr. Roberts, a businessman who nevertheless pursued fun before profit, and whose taste in music favored Gershwin over the Grateful Dead, was one of the young entrepreneurs who had no experience in the music business when they produced Woodstock, a rock concert that helped define its generation. He was 24 at the time and had recently graduated from the University of Pennsylvania. With a friend, Joel Rosenman, Mr. Roberts came across the notion of a large festival concert almost by accident. The men were aspiring writers and had pitched to a television agent the idea of a comedy about two naC/ve young venture capitalists flush with money but no business ideas. For research, they placed an anonymous advertisement in The Wall Street Journal soliciting ideas for a company made up of "young men with unlimited capital." They received some 5,000 responses. The partners followed a few leads and wound up going into business with a recording studio in Manhattan, Mediasound. Soon they heard about two other young men, Michael Lang and Artie Kornfeld, who wanted to build a studio in Woodstock, N.Y. The four men discussed promoting a concert with, as Mr. Rosenman put it, "some of the local talent" b including Bob Dylan and the Band b to raise money for the studio. The four financed their project with inheritance money from Mr. Roberts and with ticket sales, Mr. Rosenman said. Taking as their model the Monterey Pop Festival, which drew 28,000 people, the promoters planned for 50,000 fans. The concert, on Aug. 15- 17, 1969, drew more than half a million people, not all paying customers, to the site in Bethel, N.Y. The concert cost $3.1 million to produce and brought in $1.8 million, a deficit that caught Mr. Roberts and his partners unprepared. But they recovered their loss with royalties from film and album spinoffs, and held on to the profitable name and trademark symbol of a dove on the neck of a guitar. In the years after Woodstock, Mr. Roberts invested in several companies, but avoided the music business. He was also a championship bridge player, and his participation in Woodstock '94 forced the postponement of the Von Zedtwitz Double Knockout Team Championship that year. Besides his wife, he is survived by children Jennifer and Douglas of New York; brothers William and Keith, also of New York; and a sister, Kathy, of Miami. Even as a producer of Woodstock '94, Mr. Roberts made it clear that his interests were in maintaining the peaceful legacy of Woodstock rather than in making money, said John Scher, another producer. "John was a smart businessman," Mr. Scher said, "but he had a lot of heart." Home | Back to Obituaries | Search | Help Back to Top ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:51:54 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Birthday For those New Yorkers who complain that they rarely hear Joni get airplay on the radio, I believe that WFUV 90.7 FM is going to be playing "all JM" on her birthday Wednesday. This may be part of their fundraising season - but we beggars can't be choosers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 12:40:19 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Thanks, and Interesting Article... Hi all, Thanks for all the well wishes for my situation and for positive feedback in general regarding the release of Tenofovir to the general public as a powerful new AIDS drugs. And now (as they used to say on Monty Python) for something completely different: Here's an article I was made aware of that might be of interest to (a) animal rights activists and/or (b) people who like to attend raves while under the influence of methamphetamines: http://www.thisislondon.com/dynamic/news/story.html?in_review_id=470967&in_rev iew_text_id=424979 Shouldn't experiments be used to test hypotheses more meaningful than "water is wet" or "fire is hot" or "mice on speed dancing to trance/tribe music are more subject to getting pierced and tattooed and wearing black"? Peace to all, in and out of the rat race! warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 10:04:57 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: apocalypse? njc hello everyone, enjoying this fine mellow west coast morning listening to acoustical music interlaced w/joni. came across this article from s.i.. released by topps, a 90 card enduring freedom set, featuring osama bin laden and other figures in the current conflict. topps ceo arthur shorin say he expects children to "act out their disdain" for bin laden by tearing up, stomping or burning his card. the apocalypse must be near, i better go gather my joni collection and put them in a safe place. what's happening?????? later gene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 13:45:29 EST From: Rhymes46@aol.com Subject: Re: Christmas CDs NJC Victor Johnson wrote: > > just curious - what are your favorite Christmas CDs? Mine is Noel by Joan > > Baez. The email on the Isle of Wight festival made me think of it. > > That was always my favorite one as well. > > Victor One of my favorites is Dan Fogelberg's "The First Christmas Morning." His versions of "In the Bleak Midwinter" and "This Endris Night" are awesome. The Celtic and Baroque instrumentals are beautiful, too. Linda (back to lurker status) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 16:59:26 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on BRAVO!!!!!!!! YAY!!!!!!!!! Deb asked: > What is the content of the segment, and how long is it? Does Joni perform? > Talk? I don't get Bravo, and have to decide whether I have to ask a friend > to tape it. > My recollection is that it was mostly an interview, and mostly from when she was in Saskatoon for the Mendel show. Sharon, do you have a better memory from it? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 20:36:09 EST From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: John Kelly's Joni tribute extended The following is from Playbill On-Line <>: John Kelly's 'Shiny Hot Night' Extended at Fez By Robert Simonson, Playbill On-Line Obie-winning performance artist and Downtown darling John Kelly's show Shiny Hot Nights: More Songs of Joni Mitchell, has extended at Fez, the night spot located in the bowels of the Village's Time Cafe. The show will now play through Jan. 12. The evening is a follow-up to Kelly's 1997 effort, Paved Paradise: The Songs of Joni Mitchell. In both, he impersonates and sings the songs of Mitchell, the ethereal blonde pop artist behind such songs as "Woodstock," "Big Yellow Taxi," "Help Me" and "Free Man in Paris." Mitchell is only one of the many eccentric artists Kelly has embodied over the years. Others includes Dagmar Onassis, artist Egon Schiele and transvestite trapeze artist Barbette. As usual in his performance pieces - which he typically writes and creates - Kelly goes beyond impersonation and attains a sort of empathetic spiritual connection with the figures - all of whom he seems to identify with and adore. His work, which has been seen at BAM, Lincoln Center, The Kitchen and Carnegie Hall, has won him two Obies. To conventional Broadway audiences, Kelly is best known the Irish tenor who is an honored guest at the holiday soiree in James Joyce's The Dead. (Kelly is possesses of a fine, if fragile, countertenor voice, which he often uses to striking effect in his shows.) John Kelly, an autobiography published by 2wice Foundation and distributed by Aperture Books, was recently release in bookstores nationwide. All tickets are $20. Shiny Hot Nights: More Songs of Joni Mitchell runs Saturdays through Jan. 12 and Sundays Nov. 18 - Dec. 9 with an additional performance Dec. 3. Fez is located at 380 Lafayette Street (at Great Jones). For information and reservations call (212) 533-2680. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2001 00:45:07 -0600 From: evian Subject: children's books njc Hey Y'all, Well, I've been busy planning a damn conference for the last month, and I haven't had time to read any email, so I have skimmed 3 digests from the past week and had to ditch the rest, but I just wanted to pipe up on the children's book thread. Has anyone mentioned any young adult books or non picture books? I grew up loving The Great Brain, all of the Judy Blume books (which I still reread at least once a year), the Paula Danziger books like The Cat Ate My Gymsuit and Can You Sue Your Parents for Malpractice, all of Norma Klein's books (I am actually penpals with her 95 year old mother in NYC -- loooong story), How to Eat Fried Worms, Norma Fox Mazer's books, Paul Zindel's books (especially The Pigman and My Darling, My Hamburger), Hila Coleman, I'll Get There, It Better Be Worth the Trip (can't remember who wrote that one), and, my guilty pleasure, the cheesy born again Danny Orlis books from the 50's and 60's -- I would kill to find them today! Someone also mentioned sneaking Valley of the Dolls -- When I was about 12 or 13, I remember sneaking my mother's copies of Judy Blume's Wifey and Jackie Collins' Holywood Wives and Chances -- Let me tell you, I hid in the basement for hours at a time and read those books -- I couldn't believe that people actually said those things (or did some of those things!) in books. I dunno what ever happened to the Jackie Collins books, but I still have Wifey and it was so well-read that it falls open to all the good parts when you open it! Same with those "Us" and "Them" and "Him" and "Her" books --- anyone remember them from the old days? Happy weekend y'all, Evian NP very quietly so as not to wake anyone: Led Zep II ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #533 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?