From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #527 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 527 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: October 30 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: October 30 [les@jmdl.com] Biggles - NJC ["hell" ] Re: RE: The Snowman njc [FredNow@aol.com] Joni 9/11 painting WTC ["Kakki" ] John Kelly ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Children's Books NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] RE: halloween question, extremely NJC ["Deb Messling" ] RE: The Snowman njc [Mags N Brei ] Re: Harry Potter NJC ["Leslie Ross" ] for Pooh fans and illustrators NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Chhildren's books (NJC) ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: Today's Articles: October 30 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni's guitar tunings ["Laurent Olszer" ] Confessions of a Bookaholic (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Oops again ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: Oops again NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: For Love or Money, All I Want ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Children's Books NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: Oops again, NJC ["Mary E. Pitassi" ] Re: Children's Books NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: For Love or Money, All I Want [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] pro/anti America, peace movements, & university campuses njc [Les Irvin <] Re: Childrens' Books (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Ida update (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Children's books (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Oops again NJC ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Confessions of a Bookaholic (NJC) ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: Confessions of a Bookaholic (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Valerio! (njc) ["Mario De Tullio" ] Read Jim's: Our Dinner With Joni [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: halloween question, extremely NJC [Les Irvin ] RE: halloween question, extremely NJC [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: children's & other books NJC [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: children's & other books NJC ["mack watson-bush" ] joni food ["marianne marianne" ] NJC - news from Move On [Vince Lavieri ] Re: children's & other books NJC [colin ] Re: children's & other books NJC ["mack watson-bush" Subject: Biggles - NJC OK, so my life is dull at the moment! But for all those who want to read the "Biggles Goes To See Bruce Springsteen" story, you can find it here (for a while, anyway): http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/biggles.htm Sorry if there are mistakes in the spelling of some of the references and names, but Michael Palin gets a little over-excited in places, and it's hard to understand him! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 05:19:49 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: The Snowman njc In a message dated 10/30/01 12:29:52 AM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: >oh yes fred!!! i loved the music! if only i could remember the composer's >name. Howard Blake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 01:10:59 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni 9/11 painting WTC Today I was looking at photo sites of the Twin Towers tragedy and found exactly the images that Joni painted in WTC 1 and 2. The images really appeared and she used very little artistic license in depicting them. I don't have the link now for the face of tragedy (will look for it again) but found another link where it shows the two turbaned Arab faces in WTC 2 exactly as Joni depicted them. This link is a memorial to the victims and takes a long time to load. The image in Joni's painting appears about ten to eleven photos into the slide-show and you have to look quick for it. Warning - this memorial is very emotional and may not be everyone's cup of tea. http://www.politicsandprotest.org/ Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:19:27 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: John Kelly I would like to ask him what it is like being a man playing a woman who found it difficult in a male orientated industry! :-) No seriously, I'd like to ask him if he plans to tour to London with his new show. I'd love to see it. Maybe November when she's in town. That would be nice. She might come along after the recording and watch the show next to my booth at the back. And we'd share a sludge of melted ice cream and pie. Peace Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:04:28 +0100 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Children's Books NJC My favourites would include the Winnie the Pooh books but my all-time favourite is The Wind in the Willows. I read them to my partner who is a very light sleeper. It works every time. The Pooh books allow me to sing the 'poohsongs', and the different characters in WITW allow me to invent different voices for each of them. There are also many collections of Celtic fairy stories that I heard (as a child) and have read (as an adult) but I imagine that compilations are 'out of bounds' here? I would mention in this context one which is so sad that it never fails to make me cry. It's called "The Fate of the Children of Lyr". Try it out if you get a chance. I'd transcribe it but it's about 20 pages long. perhaps the scanner. BTW does anyone know why the punctuation is so strange in 'The Emerald City of Oz'? Apostrophes are added to the following word after a gap, as in, for example, "I 'm in great trouble over." or "I 've lost my magic belt." (This is from the Dover Classics for Children collection.) mike in bcn NP Eddy Grant - "The Greatest Hits." NR "Who Paid the Piper?- The CIA and the Cultural Cold War." Frances Stonor Saunders. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 06:49:14 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: halloween question, extremely NJC Thanks for the replies on my trick-or-treat question. The overwhelming majority of my respondents do it on Halloween night, unlike towns across the river from us that schedule it on various alternative nights. Our town tried to move trick or treat to NOON on Saturday and there was a huge outcry. The traditionalists won. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:03:56 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Maugham - NJC Wallyk wrote: i have been re-reading the works of w. somerset maugham. Good choice Wally! I love Maugham and recently re-re-re-re-re-read "The Razor's Choice," one of my all time favorite books. He captures a lot in a slim volume and there is one simple scene where he watches Isabelle look at Larry's wrist that manages to convey deep desire with a few simple paragraphs and nary a heaving bosom in sight. A wonderful writer and now I know what I am going to read over my long weekend: Of Human Bondage. As well, the biography by Ted Someone or other called "Maugham, A Life," is also pretty good. Another mark on my "to re-read" list. MG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:19:12 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Boston Public(njc) And the whole hand thing was totally >creepy. Any other opinions? Yes, the hand was over the top. I enjoyed this show last year only for the escapism it provided from real public school. I can tell you that Mr. Senate would not be teaching today for firing the gun last year, and the impromtu boxing match would have gotten him fired as well. We had a teacher in our region fired for telling kids to "take care of the problem". The one young man took this as liscense to pound the other kid, and the teacher was dismissed because he vaguely gave reference to allowing this. So you can see where the escape comes into play. I do enjoy seeing the principal Steven squirm because of all the stupid things his teachers do...I imagine that happens at our school... What's with the hot new chick? Harry need a love life after last year's disaster? Simpsons is always a good choice Victor. When in doubt, whip Bart out. Later, Sue N.P. Narcolepsy, Ben Folds Five Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 04:20:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: RE: The Snowman njc from the cover of the video... an academy award nominee, this delightful animation weaves a spell of magic enchantment as a young boy's snowman comes to life and escorts him on a fantasy dream visit to the North Pole. The Snowman written by Raymond Briggs and based on his book the Snowman 1982 music composed and conducted by Howard Blake 26 minutes one of my favourites too, a truly beautiful little film. Mags - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > oh yes fred!!! i loved the music! if only i could remember the > composer's > name. > wallyK > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > FredNow@aol.com > Enviado el: Martes, 30 de Octubre de 2001 03:18 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: The Snowman njc > > There's also a short film of it, which > may be even better in the sense that it has really great, enchanting > music > wall to wall (there being no dialogue). > -Fred ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:39:36 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: Harry Potter NJC >Yes - they're about to start on the 2nd one. I read >that Kenneth Branaugh (sp?) is going to play Gilderoy >Lockhart - a good choice, I'd say. >Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca No, no, no! It has to be Rick Mayal from The Young Ones et al! He's perfect for the part. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:58:31 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: for Pooh fans and illustrators NJC A great book is A Treasury of the Great Children's Book Illustrators by Susan Meyer. Large paperback (oversized with soft cover) with chapters on Edward Lear, John Tenniel (who illustrated Alice), Caldecott (for which the award is named), Greenaway, Potter, Rackham, Dulac, Nielsen, Pyle, Wyeth, and Denslow. and of course Ernest Shepard, who did the "decorations" for Pooh. a great book, beautifully illustrated, 25.00. I like to give it to new parents. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:23:05 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: Chhildren's books (NJC) Steve Dulson asked: "Frightfully politically incorrect in some quarters these days, but I've always loved W. E. Johns' Biggles books, and thanks to a friend on the Biggles list, just completed my collection - there's around 100 of them. I'm not sure if I got a love of aircraft and flying from the books, or got into the books because I loved aircraft..." Steve: not sure if I dare ask, but what are the Biggles books? You and Hell both seem to have heard of them; I, who grew up in the U.S., never have. Are they maybe a UK/NZ kind of thing? Curious, Mary P. "some of my best friends love aircraft." ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:33:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today's Articles: October 30 Les, thanks as always for the links to your article database. I enjoyed the one about the 1987 Peltier benefit as I didn't know much about it, and I learned a lot. I wonder what other songs she did besides "Lakota" & "Tax Free"? "Joni Mitchell, supported by a jazz-accented band including saxophonist Wayne Shorter and bassist Larry Klein, followed with a 40-minute set that reinforced her reputation as a daring, independent-minded songwriter and singer. Rather than lean toward her most melodic and best-known early work, she concentrated on recent material, previewing a song ("Lakota") from her upcoming album and offering a dramatic rendition of "Tax Free." The latter tune, from her 1985 "Dog Eat Dog" LP, rips at rightist televangelism with uncompromising ridicule and fury." Bob NP: Fats Domino, "I Want To Walk You Home" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:38:35 -0000 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni's guitar tunings Hello everybody, Could a musician please help: When playing Joni with her alternate tunings on guitar, does the rest of the band ALWAYS use standard tuning? Examples? Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:56:54 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Confessions of a Bookaholic (NJC) Staying as far away as I can from the political discussions, I guess I must rally from my sick state of several weeks and come clean here. Hello. My name is Ashara, and I am a Bookaholic. There. Oh, I feel better already!!!! {deep breath} Thank you Mary!! I've been holding that in for years! According to Mary's criteria, I have the disease, and I have it bad. I can't pass a bookstore without going in and spending a loooooong time there, I do think constantly about books, I get into the stories big time, like crying hysterically at the end of books such as Bridges of Madison County and The Horse Whisperer, while everyone around me is tiptoeing, and whispering to each other how I have probably "lost it for good" this time!! But the worst part of this affliction, the absolute worst is the REALLY guilty crime of "buying books faster than you can read them, but continuing to buy them anyway." I have always done this. I see a book that I absolutely "must" read, and wait and wait for my crazy life to slow down so I can read them. I have so many books waiting to be read!! There is one affliction Mary, that you forgot to mention, however. Whenever I go on vacation, I know I will have time to read!!! So I bring many more books than I could possibly read in the amount of time I am gone. I take *hours* deciding which books will go with me......"I might be in the mood to learn about this, or I might want something light, I might want something funny, I might want to get into a juicy novel...." Then when I have *finally* narrowed it down to 5 or 6 books, they get packed first and I spend about 10 minutes packing clothes. Please tell me someone else can relate to this?? Finally coming clean with my addiction, with hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:02:53 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: Oops again That last, "Children's books," was NJC. I have been religious in my application of the tag for 5 years, and now I've screwed it up twice in the past week. I must have too many irons in the fire these days. Will try to do better. Please forgive me! Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:16:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Oops again NJC <> Mary, you're forgiven BUT you must pay penance! Give yourself a good whack in the head with a children's book, and I don't mean some softcover 'Curious George Sniffs His Rear' sorta book, I mean one of those big-ass story collections that takes 2 hands to pick up. :~D Bob NP: The Jayhawks, "See Him On The Street" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:16:45 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: For Love or Money, All I Want Hi Bob I would love to have the lyrics transcribed! Maybe post them to the list or something. I need to dig out the video that I have... Peace Much Joni Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:38 PM Subject: For Love or Money, All I Want > < heard... >> > > I think it's just forgotten about, Jamie, because she never recorded a studio version of it. Jericho would have suffered the same fate had she not brought it out for DJRD, it just seems so more fleshed out in its studio version. > > I think For Love or Money is a great song! My favorite lyrical passage: > > The wars of pride and property > The rebel Irish and the promised land Jew > Fighting behind his eyes and over seas > Wounded in action and no ceasefire in view > > The song seems to be a bit of twist on her usual "failed relationship" song in that it's from the guy's POV and he can't get over the girl. I wounder if she was projecting any of her old lovers onto the lead character? She does reference that the guy is a songwriter, or at least a poet: > > He's got stacks and stacks of words that rhyme > Describing what it is to lose > He's got some just for laughs > He's got some for love > That mainline to his blues > > Could the "mainline" be a play on words referencing "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire", that is, a heroin addiction? > > <> > > Yes, Jamie, but it's from her 1970 BBC "Pink Dress" concert. As yet is hasn't been included as part of the video trees. There are quite a few lyrical differences between this version and what would finally show on "Blue". If anyone is interested, I can transcribe them tonight. > > Bob > > NP: Beausoleil, "Valerie" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:32:49 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Children's Books NJC Loving this discussioon of books, especially children's books! Favorites from my childhood: Now We Are Six and When We Were Very Young, by a.a. milne- I still have the copies from my childhood! The Ant and Bee Books!!!! Thanks Hell for reminding me!! They were THE BEST!!!!!!!!! They were reissued, and I bought them when my kids were little, and they also loved them. Little Bear's Sunday Breakfast The Peterkin Papers Nancy Drew Series From my children's childhood, and my continuing childhood: The Education of Little Tree Old Turtle The Mountains of Tibet Where the Wild Things Are The Knight and the Dragon All the Cooper Eden books The Catalog All the Zack File books- these are GREAT!! Forget it. This would take all day. Waaaay too many to list. {sigh} Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:32:48 -0600 From: "Mary E. Pitassi" Subject: RE: Oops again, NJC SCJoniGuy wrote: "Mary, you're forgiven BUT you must pay penance! Give yourself a good whack in the head with a children's book, and I don't mean some softcover 'Curious George Sniffs His Rear' sorta book, I mean one of those big-ass story collections that takes 2 hands to pick up. :~D Bob: Bob, LOL!!! And, whack given. I now go forth to sin no more--or at least, to always remember the NJC tag. Of course, due to the effects of that massive whack in the head, I'm not sure how successful my efforts will be. ;-) Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:36:53 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Children's Books NJC OMG!!!!!!!!! I forgot HARRY POTTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When everyone was reading Harry Potter, my second son, Jesse, refused to read them because they "were a fad." He was just too cool to even consider it. Then one day, he was killing time in a bookstore in his senior year in high school. He picked up the first book, and that was it. He was completely hooked, and I didn't see his face until he had finished all 4 of them! He has since reread them all many times, and his dorm room in college is filled with Harry Potter stuff. LOL!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:52:40 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: For Love or Money, All I Want <> I'll be glad to do it, Jamie...I'll knock it out tonight! The only bit I remember off the top of my head is her singing "You're not real, no, no" instead of "I want to have fun I wanna shine like the sun"... Bob NP: The Jayhawks, "Ten Little Kids" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:05:33 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: pro/anti America, peace movements, & university campuses njc >From: Duane Joseph Corpis >Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 08:52:26 -0700 >Subject: pro/anti America, peace movements, & university campuses > >I'm going to try to send this one more time... it doesn't seem to have >gone through to the list... sorry for posting on a topic that seems to >be on the wane (actually 2 topics -- the war and pc'ness on university >campuses), but this is important to me... > > I agree whole-heartedly with several listmembers who have argued that >political criticism is wholly a >part of the American civic, democratic tradition. The current media >spin, dominated by pro-war rhetoric, is clearly NOT part of the American >civic, democratic tradition. Newspapers during the Spanish-American war >and during the U.S. war against Philippine revolutionaries in the late >19th-century had far more diversity of opinion (pro-imperialist, >anti-imperialist, pro-U.S. policy, anti-U.S. policy) than the media >today. I am a university history professor, and THAT is what I teach my >students about U.S. democracy (its successes and its failings). Dissent >is crucial to democracy. Remember: it was ANTI-war dissent that led to >the treason trial of a New Mexico citizen. I was detained by the police >weeks ago for posting peace rally signs. Some student(s) posted signs >on my campus saying, "If you see a peace activist, punch them. If they >don't fight back, punch them again. Once they defend themselves, tell >them that they aren't being a good pacifist." (the quote is rough and >from memory, but very close to what was printed on the poster). No one >was reprimanded for promoting violence of this sort on campus, because >its message was supposedly "pro-American." Peace activists, however, >are stifled left and right on college and university campuses. So much >for the assumption that 60s style Marxism or 90s style postmodernism >have made campuses dogmatic and arenas for the suppression of opinion >and speech. The only indoctrination that goes on at my campus is from >the mainstream culture, informed as it is by two political parties that >might as well be one on most issues and a media that is more interested >in money than information, entertainment than education, and strong >ratings rather than strong, critical commentary. > >Am I anti-U.S. foreign policy? Yes! We should understand that U.S. >policy throughout the developing world breeds resentment, hostility, and >oppressive economic, social, and political conditions. > >Am I willing to recognize that war on Afghanistan will do little to >change the conditions of women, children and ethnic minorities in >Afghanistan? Yes! (The RAWA, an organization of Afghan women fighting >for human rights in their home country have recently reported that the >Northern Alliance is just as patriarchal, anti-human rights, and >oppressive as the Taliban. Maybe we should have listened to the women >of Afghanistan 10 years ago. Maybe we should listen to them now!). > >Do I condone terrorism? Hell NO! Terrorist organizations in the Middle >East, South and Southeast Asia, Latin America and the U.S. (the KKK?) >have killed and terrorized political leftists and reformers >systematically. I am also a former New Yorker. I just moved from NYC >to Atlanta less than a year ago. The attack on the World Trade Center >was emotionally, psychologically, and personally devestating to me. It >was senseless, needless, and brutal. How should we respond? This was a >crime against humanity, and like other such crimes, we could have an >international tribunal. According to some of the German press on Sept. >12th and 13th, the Taliban contacted the U.S. and said they would be >willing to surrender bin Laden. That wasn't reported in the U.S., >because U.S. officials and the U.S. media were beating the drums of war. > How would the U.S. public have responded if they knew there was a real >possibility that this could have been resolved diplomatically and >through judicial rather than militaristic means? If we can build a >military coalition against terrorism, why can't we build a diplomatic, >itruly internationalist coalition against terrorism and for peace? > >Am I anti-American? I had the chance in the last two weeks to leave >here and become an ex-pat. I was sorely tempted. I am disappointed in >U.S. democracy like never before. But I chose to stay, in order to >exercise my rights as an American citizen to dissent and to engage the >political order I live in. I chose to stay because when I teach, I ask >my students to think beyond the nightly news and the opinions of their >parents. I ask them to think for themselves. And if they are becoming >critical thinkers, that's the best thing I can do with my life. Some >come to me after the semester is over and tell me that they learned >about things they never knew, and that I have challenged their received >political wisdom. Is that indoctrination? I don't think so, because >some students, with whom I politically disagree the most, are some of my >best students and are the students who seem to appreciate my classes the >most. They enjoy the dialogue and the debate. None of my students get >that in their everyday lives. They don't get it at home. They don't >see it on TV or hear it on the radio. > >OK, this rant has gone on long enough. > >Peace, >Duane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:03:45 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Books (NJC) Hi, I don't know whether anyone has already mentioned the superb and recent trilogy by Philip Pullman which begins with "Northern Lights". It's been compared to Tolkein's work and certainly is a very "adult" childrens series which is fantastically imaginative while at the same time showing great understanding of the human situation. I've just finished the first book and can't wait to start the second. The trilogy is know as "His Dark Materials" trilogy. Take care Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:05:23 -0800 (PST) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Ida update (NJC) Hi everyone, I'm so far behind on digests that I have no idea at all what's going on in JMDLland. Thank you all for your thoughts, healing light, prayers, etc. My mom ("Queen" Ida) continues to hang in there. She's still in the ICU, though she's been moved to a "private," long-term room. I visited her for several hours this weekend, and her spirits are pretty good, although she's plenty pissed off at being stuck in the hospital! She's weak and has a very long road ahead of her, but she's doing better each day. Photo here: http://www.geocities.com/lrfye/ohio/queenida.jpg Thinking of all of you, with a smile, Lori in MD ~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:28:58 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Children's books (NJC) >Steve: not sure if I dare ask, but what are the Biggles books? You >and Hell both seem to have heard of them; I, who grew up in the >U.S., never have. Are they maybe a UK/NZ kind of thing? Yes, very much a Brit and British Commonwealth thing. Capt. W. E. Johns was a WW1 pilot who started writing short stories for magazines in the '30s, based on his experiences, but featuring a character called Biggles. He later started writing full-length books, taking Biggles and his comrades through the '30s, WW2, and into the '50s and '60s. Some of the earlier books contain some ethnic, racial and national stereotyping very common in the world of their day, causing some to be banned from libraries, etc. in recent years. Trivia - I just watched the great NZ movie Heavenly Creatures again, which features Kate Winslett and her friend reading Biggles books and "flying" through the garden. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:49:05 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Oops again NJC SCJoniGuy wrote: ><> Give yourself a good whack in the head with a children's book, and I don't mean some softcover 'Curious George Sniffs His Rear' May I suggest the 4th in the Harry Potter series? This would make for good pennance. Sue, not spam. Ask Deb M. for clarification. MMMmmmmmmm, Spam! ;-) Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:14:03 -0500 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: Confessions of a Bookaholic (NJC) AsharaJM wrote: I have so many books waiting to be read!! Whenever I go on vacation, I know I will have time to read!!! So I bring many more books than I could possibly read in the amount of time I am gone. Please tell me someone else can relate to this?? Relate to it? Hell, I totally resemble this remark! Even worse, I seek out vacations where my hubby has his activities (snowmobiling, ice fishing) and I can just sit by the fire and read! How goofy is that? Something about being on vacation though makes it different...no phones ringing or neighbors knocking... Is one of the symptoms reading two or three books at a time? I do this quite frequently. Sue n.p. cat meowing for lunch Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:51:12 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Confessions of a Bookaholic (NJC) In a message dated 10/30/2001 1:16:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, suze_1@lycos.com writes: > Is one of the symptoms reading two or three books at a time? I do this > quite frequently. > Or even 4 or 5??? ;-) ACK!!!!!! We must STOP continuing to add to the list!!!!! I can't handle knowing I have such a severe addiction!!! LOL!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:04:47 +0100 From: "Mario De Tullio" Subject: Re: Valerio! (njc) Thanks for your kind wishes. Now Valerio is a celebrity all over the world! I can see him now in his pram, wearing sunglasses and hiding from the press... :-) Mario ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:11:25 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Read Jim's: Our Dinner With Joni While I was taking a nap today, Jim Johanson messaged me that the Pre Hommage Reception and Banquet story is now up on the Jonimitchell.com site. Thanks Jim for the excellent report and Pearl for the great fotos! More where that came folks...... rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:16:56 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: halloween question, extremely NJC At 10/30/2001 04:49 AM, Deb Messling wrote: >Our town tried to move trick or treat to NOON on >Saturday and there was a huge outcry. As one who is actually in the Halloween industry, I find this interesting. Believe it or not: There is a movement gathering steam among Halloween costume suppliers to have the holiday officially moved from the 31st to the last Saturday of October every year. They've actually hired a lobbyist to promote this idea. The idea has one purpose only - to sell more costumes. When Halloween falls on a Sunday through Thursday, there are not as many parties and therefore a smaller demand for products. Nothing is sacred in the retail industry! Les NP: Stephanie Morrison's piano recital ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 11:37:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: RE: halloween question, extremely NJC ???? But in what sense is Halloween an "official" holiday to begin with? If they want this to happen, they need PR people, not a lobbyist. NP: Ruben Blades, _Buscando America_ - --- Les Irvin wrote: > At 10/30/2001 04:49 AM, Deb Messling wrote: > >Our town tried to move trick or treat to NOON on > >Saturday and there was a huge outcry. > > As one who is actually in the Halloween industry, I > find this > interesting. Believe it or not: There is a movement > gathering steam among > Halloween costume suppliers to have the holiday > officially moved from the > 31st to the last Saturday of October every year. > They've actually hired a > lobbyist to promote this idea. The idea has one > purpose only - to sell > more costumes. When Halloween falls on a Sunday > through Thursday, there > are not as many parties and therefore a smaller > demand for products. > > Nothing is sacred in the retail industry! > Les > > NP: Stephanie Morrison's piano recital ===== ____________________________________________________________ "Greetings cards routinely tell us everybody deserves love. No. Everybody deserves clean water. Not everybody deserves love all the time." - --Zadie Smith, _White Teeth_ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:11:33 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: halloween question, extremely NJC At 10/30/2001 12:37 PM, Michael Yarbrough wrote: >But in what sense is Halloween an "official" holiday >to begin with? If they want this to happen, they need >PR people, not a lobbyist. They want to *make* it official... Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:44:29 EST From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: children's & other books NJC I read everything I could get my hands on when I was a kid. Most of my favorite little kids books have been mentioned, except one -- Call of the Wild. But, my most secret book was Valley of the Dolls. Banned in our quasi Ozzie and Harrietish household, at about age 9 or ten, I struck gold when I saw our neighbor's, the divorced Mrs. Teal with painted toenails, copy in the alley trash can. I sneaked it inside to my room and read it every night. I never got caught. It was so sexy - at least what I understood, which wasn't a lot. There was one word I read and read and didn't understand: sonofabitch. Took me a while to figure out what it meant. I still have that paperback in my blue trunk-o-memories. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 14:48:36 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: children's & other books NJC Coyote wrote about reading Jack London. I remember reading one book, I think it was London, about a family of partridges. I enjoyed it immensely as the babies faced the world with their mother and some were slowly picked off by the animals, etc. Great story. I too, enjoyed Valley of the Dolls though was much older than that when I read it. I was pretty slow, didn't know about the birds and the bees until 14 or so, and then all the facts were not clear. Never got any info from my parents, had to learn it all myself. At 14 was when I learned that a girl had to do more than like a boy to get pregnant. Mack > I read everything I could get my hands on when I was a kid. Most of my favorite little kids books have been mentioned, except one -- Call of the Wild. But, my most secret book was Valley of the Dolls. Banned in our quasi Ozzie and Harrietish household, at about age 9 or ten, I struck gold when I saw our neighbor's, the divorced Mrs. Teal with painted toenails, copy in the alley trash can. I sneaked it inside to my room and read it every night. I never got caught. It was so sexy - at least what I understood, which wasn't a lot. There was one word I read and read and didn't understand: sonofabitch. Took me a while to figure out what it meant. I still have that paperback in my blue trunk-o-memories. > > No regrets, > > Coyote Rick > Casa Alegre > Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 15:29:01 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: children's & other books NJC Also read all of the Loula Grace Erdman books. She wrote books about the Texas Panhandle area and her experiences while growing up. Similar to Laura Ingalls Wilder, who I was not familiar with until the television series. The more I think, the more I remember. Funny, the things the mind puts away when not in use. How about Old Yeller. Great, great book. The author, Gipson, wrote that tale and Savage Sam too about the area in which I live now. It is very true to form too except the javelinas have all gone south now. My all time favorite that I must have read at least 15 times was Treasure Island. Now that is a book. Each time I read it I could almost believe that I was Jim. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 12:31:33 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: children's & other books NJC Mack wrote: > Also read all of the Loula Grace Erdman >books. She wrote books about the Texas >Panhandle area and her experiences while >growing up. Similar to Laura Ingalls Wilder, >who I was not familiar with until the television >series. I love these kinds of stories. I read each of the Laura Ingalls Wilder books about 4 times and they were also very much my favorites. I found a link for you and Marian regarding Juana Maria, the lone woman of the island of the blue dophins. http://www.powersource.com/gallery/womansp/chumash.html I was also so addicted to books growing up that I would actually ditch class every afternoon in 6th grade to go to the library and read. Looking back I've never understood why my teacher let me get away with it - she still gave me good grades and never called me on it!. We had to read at least 10 books that year and compile our list of them at the end of the term. My list was something like 120 books read! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:03:24 -0500 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: joni food Nuriel wrote "Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Eating Joni here's the full list of every food and drink that's mentioned on Joni's lyrics and albums. Enjoy your joni meal." Nuriel, I loved that list. Thanks, Mairanne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 18:04:20 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC - news from Move On I received this from an organization called Move On. Vince Lavieri The email address of the sender is: <"moveon-help-316-603023-dgU7So9wlbQmQOtGXZKMrA"@list.moveon.org> The web address for Move On is: http://www.moveon.org/ Dear friend of Move On, In this time of national crisis, amid calls for sacrifice, we're deeply troubled by the choices of the Republican party's right-wing leadership. Here's their idea of an economic stimulus package*: $1.4 billion for IBM $833 million for General Motors $671 million for General Electric $572 million for Chevron Texaco $254 million for Enron This is war profiteering, and it's just plain wrong. Yet the House has just approved it, on a virtual party line vote, ending the recent spirit of cooperation in Congress. Speak up with us before the Senate acts: http://www.moveon.org/warprofiteering/ Last week, while our nation was reeling from the Anthrax threat, the House voted to repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax on corporations. This law normally requires hugely profitable companies to pay at least some tax, no matter how many loopholes they can find. Its repeal would allow many companies to pay zero U.S. income tax in perpetuity - a loss of more than $12 billion in revenue next year alone. The repeal is retroactive, so companies would get rebates of all the Alternative Minimum Tax they've paid for the last 15 years. The numbers above are a sampling of these rebates. The House also voted to allow corporations to store their profits overseas as a tax shelter. That's right - this "stimulus" would actually take money _out_ of the U.S. economy. It's backwards. The right approach to stimulus is to put more money in the hands of everyday people who need it most - by expanding unemployment insurance, for example. People living marginally will spend it quickly on consumer goods, so it circulates through the economy, benefiting everyone. Helping people would make economic sense. Giving billions in tax breaks to America's biggest corporations doesn't. The Senate could vote on stimulus as early as this week. Speak up at: http://www.moveon.org/warprofiteering/ Thank you. We must all fight this together. Sincerely, - - Wes Boyd MoveOn.org October 29th, 2001 * Source: Citizens for Tax Justice. See our website for details. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 23:43:05 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: children's & other books NJC > I love these kinds of stories. I read each of the Laura Ingalls is this something to do with little house on the prairie? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 17:55:01 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: children's & other books NJC colin, are you asking if that was the t.v. show based on her books? If so, yes. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:09:40 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: For Love or Money, All I Want << I would love to have the lyrics transcribed! Maybe post them to the list or something. >> Here you go, Jamie, thanks for asking. It's always fun listening to this one: "Here's another REALLY new one that isn't quite finished, just for fun...(laughs) (Hums intro) I am on a lonely road and I am traveling Looking for the truth in men and me Oh, my jealousy, my greed, they all unravel me It undoes all the joy that could be Oh, you're not real, no, no Do you think you're foolin' me With these false pretensions Of phony camaraderie? (La la la la.....) All I really really wanted love to do, was to bring out the best in me and in you too All I really really wanted love to do, was to bring out the best in me and in you too (Hmm Hmm Hmm, la la la) I am on a lonely road and I am traveling Looking for the truth in men and me Oh, my jealousy, my greed, it's my unraveling It undoes all the joy that could be Oh, you're not real, no, no Do you think you're foolin' me Hmm Hmm Hmm With your phony camaraderie La la la la... All I really really wanted love to do, was to bring out the best in me and in you too All I really really wanted love to do, was to bring out the best in me and in you" That's it folks! :~) Bob NP: Pink Floyd, "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 19:56:15 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: halloween question, extremely NJC This stinks! This sucks! Halloween would lose all its delightful eeriness if they move it around like President's Day. As a kid I absolutely believed that this was the day the Dead Walked, and I don't think we can just arbitrarily move that day around, CAN WE? One reason I like Halloween is that it has no redeeming social value. With every other holiday, as soon as you're having fun, there's someone to tell you that you need to be more solemn for some reason. You have to honor Jesus, or honor the veterans, or give thanks to God for the creamed onions. On Halloween, you can just do what you like. Maybe there are some pagans out there who think we are dishonoring Samhain, but I have generally found that pagans aren't that priggish. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Les > Believe it or not: There is a movement gathering > steam among > Halloween costume suppliers to have the holiday officially moved from the > 31st to the last Saturday of October every year. - ----------------------------------- - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:08:35 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Children's Books NJC In a message dated 10/30/01 3:46:19 AM, ink08@hotmail.com writes: >My favourites would include the Winnie the Pooh books but my all-time >favourite is The Wind in the Willows. My husband loves Wind in the Willows! Got any suggestions on good versions to buy? The prices on early editions are incredible - they start at 1,000 and go up. I saw a copy for 15,000 US. You could buy a car! There are also many collections of Celtic fairy >stories that I heard (as a child) and have read (as an adult) but I imagine >that compilations are 'out of bounds' here? I would mention in this context >one which is so sad that it never fails to make me cry. It's called "The >Fate >of the Children of Lyr". Try it out if you get a chance. I'd transcribe >it but >it's about 20 pages long. perhaps the scanner. I read that for a children's literature class. It is so sad! In my version, it was spelled "Lir". The ending, when they're turned back into humans, is heartbreaking. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:29:26 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Confessions of a Bookaholic (NJC) In a message dated 10/30/01 5:58:36 AM, AsharaJM@aol.com writes: >Whenever I >go on vacation, I know I will have time to read!!! So I bring many more >books >than I could possibly read in the amount of time I am gone. I take *hours* > >deciding which books will go with me......"I might be in the mood to learn > >about this, or I might want something light, I might want something funny, >I >might want to get into a juicy novel...." Then when I have *finally* >narrowed it down to 5 or 6 books, they get packed first and I spend about >10 >minutes packing clothes. Please tell me someone else can relate to this?? Yes, I can relate. Vacation...now there is an opportunity to read! Although I read quite a bit normally, there's this thing called "work" that keeps interfering. The selection of books to read on vacation is crucial. Sometimes, I want really light reading; other times, I want something more inspirational. I used to read the "Karen" (nonfiction) books over and over when my family went to West Virginia on vacation. I think I have parts of them memorized. A few other symptoms also resonate: having a house full of books, and reading several at a time. In fact, I am notorious for picking a book up, reading a little, putting it down, picking another one up, reading a little, etc. I have 20 or 30 bookmarks (I like to buy the pretty ones they sell at Barnes and Noble with art, cats, butterflies, etc) and I need all of those bookmarks because they are all in various books! well, that's a slight exaggeration, but every so often I'll say to myself 'now, where are all my bookmarks?' and I'll start rounding them up. Which reminds me that I was in the middle of such and such a book. I used to read all books straight through but now I will skip around among them as I please. Yes, I am fickle. And if I don't like a book, I won't finish it. I used to always finish books whether I liked them or not. another symptom: I buy books because they have pretty covers. Am learning not to do this. If it has a pretty cover AND it looks like a keeper, then I will buy it. Really good books are called "desert isle keepers" or DIKs on another listserv I am on. sometimes I want light reading, sometimes serious, and other times I'm in the mood for something really sad. What I have almost no interest in are those "mr. fix-it" books or books on crafts. They are just too practical for me. for the most part, science doesn't interest me either, though I like some astronomy. I like a little science fiction but I get bored when it's too "techie". another symptom: when I have business trips I immediately look for the book-purchasing opportunities in the area. I went to Philadelphia in May and I was so happy because my trip coincided with an exhibit on illuminated manuscripts. I was in hog heaven. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2001 20:42:36 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Childrens' Books (NJC) In a message dated 10/30/01 9:05:14 AM, Gertus@aol.com writes: >I don't know whether anyone has already mentioned the superb and recent >trilogy by Philip Pullman which begins with "Northern Lights". It's been >compared to Tolkein's work and certainly is a very "adult" childrens series >which is fantastically imaginative while at the same time showing great >understanding of the human situation. I've just finished the first book >and can't wait to start the second. The trilogy is know as "His Dark Materials" >trilogy. Yes, they are great! Here in the US, though, the first book is known as "the golden compass". Why do they change titles from UK to US? I know for the first Harry Potter, it was because no one in the US would understand what "philosopher's stone" meant (except for my smart husband, who knows a lot about many things and explained it to me :) In the US we'd be saying 'philosopher? as in Plato?' yes, we are philistines here. so they had to change it to 'sorcerer's stone'. Why they changed 'northern lights' though, I have no idea. I've read the first two of the trilogy and also have the third, but I haven't read it yet. I'm a little afraid of reading a 'battle' book these days. Even if it is just fantasy. Mary People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #527 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?