From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #525 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 29 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 525 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Song Polls NJC ["Marian" ] Re: children's books njc ["Marian" ] Today in Joni History: October 29 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: October 29 [les@jmdl.com] Re: children's books njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Hypocrisy (njc) [colin ] Re: Hypocrisy (njc) ["Kakki" ] NJC The Book Disease [pyramus@lineone.net] NJC The Book Disease [pyramus@lineone.net] Re : Children's Books (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] RE: smashing pumpkins - njc ["Deb Messling" ] children's books njc [MGVal@aol.com] Re: children's books NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Three years ago today... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] For Love or Money, All I Want [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Harry Potter NJC [Yael Harlap ] Eating Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni as a Jeopardy question! [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Christmas CDs NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: kids books NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Harry Potter NJC ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: Harry Potter NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: Harry Potter NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: War etc NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: For Love or Money, All I Want [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Hypocrisy (njc) [colin ] Re: NJC The Book Disease [colin ] Re: Subject: Re: Pro-American, JMDL? njc [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: War etc NJC [colin ] hoax?? NJC [colin ] Re: children's books njc ["Marian" ] cheese steak njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: children's books njc ["Kakki" ] Re: cheese steak njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Harry Potter NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Subject: children's books NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Harry Potter NJC ["Leslie Ross" ] island njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Hypocrisy (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Eating Joni ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: cheese steak njc [Mags N Brei ] RE: Eating Joni ["Wally Kairuz" ] Subject: Re: Christmas CDs (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Eating Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: children's books njc ["Marian" ] dulcimer question - njc ["Marian" ] Re: Eating Joni [colin ] Re: Subject: Re: Christmas CDs (NJC) [colin ] Re: children's books njc [colin ] Re: Eating Joni ["Dolphie Bush" ] joni ["gene mock" ] Re: children's books NJC [Les Irvin ] Re: children's books NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Covers [Les Irvin ] Re: Eating Joni [Nuriel Tobias ] user-directed internet radio (sjc) [Michael Yarbrough ] Re: John Kelly [colin ] ISO DAT copy of Joni 1/26/95 [Mark Domyancich ] tale of genji NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:07:30 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Song Polls NJC I'm sure I have also voted for that song (Love Or Money) at least once. I think I mentioned it to Les that it didn't show up. I think he said it was a technical glitch and he would fix it, but maybe it got broken again. Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:15:48 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: children's books njc My favorites were: Island of the Blue Dolphins - Scott O'Dell A Wrinkle In Time - Madeline L'Engle the Nancy Drew mysteries (the originals!) The Double Disappearance of Walter Fozbek - (Oscar) Steven Senn Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:17:47 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: October 29 On October 29 in Joni Mitchell History: 1996: The albums "Hits" and "Misses" are released. 1998: Joni performs in Toronto. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981029.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainToronto1098.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 03:17:47 -0500 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 29 On October 29 these articles were published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Success Story" - Saskatoon StarPhoenix (Concert Preview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/691029ssp.cfm 1994: "Joni Mitchell" - London Independent (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/941029li.cfm 1998: "Dinosaurs, perhaps, but far from extinct" - Toronto Globe and Mail (Concert Preview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981029tgam.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Chicago Sun Times (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981029cst.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 647 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:20:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: children's books njc Marian wrote: > Island of the Blue Dolphins - Scott O'Dell Absolutely my favorite along with The Secret Garden! "Island" (based on a true story on San Nicholas island off SoCal) singularly led me to travel to almost all the California Channel Islands many times, study all about the California Indian tribes and become a docent volunteer for the Nature Conservancy on one (Santa Cruz). The problem is virtually no one can visit San Nicholas except special Navy personnel and it is still considered off-limits to the public. Sadly, years of test bombings and other incursions have left the island pretty much a dusty sand spit. I almost joined the Naval Reserves in my 30s just to see if I could have a way to get over there! > the Nancy Drew mysteries (the originals!) Had almost every one in original and modern updated editions! Even had a few Hardy Boys mysteries, too! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:26:08 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Hypocrisy (njc) > It's > a moral question that has always been a tough one and there are no easy > answers. no, there are not, you are correct. I have no doubt about the guilt of Bin Laden at all so the proof thing is not an issue for me. Howwver, expecting the people in Afghanistan to move out the way oft he bombs is not realistic. We are dropping them so it is our responsibilty. > > > Kakki - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:33:55 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hypocrisy (njc) Colin wrote: > I have no doubt about the guilt of Bin Laden at all so the proof thing is not an issue for me. I realized after I wrote that it may have sounded like I was directing that at you, but did not mean to personally. Just was setting up the train of my own logic for my position. > However, expecting the people in Afghanistan to move out the way of the bombs is > not realistic. We are dropping them so it is our responsibilty. It is our responsibility to be as careful and vigilant as we can not to kill innocent people in this action. My views on this are evolving - not in the sense that I think we should not defend ourselves or not try to stop them - but in the sense that there seems to be a lot we are still learning and also, that we are not going to be given the whole picture because of security concerns. A lot of this we are going to have to deduce ourselves as it goes along. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:22:25 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: NJC The Book Disease More symptoms What about borrowing a book from the library and almost swallowing your own tongue when you find someone has written in the margins. ..and what about buying the paperback version of a book and then buying the hardcopy as well .......cos you enjoyed it so much. ..and what about when you lend someone a book which you think is the greatest piece of prose ever written and they say yeah, it was o.k. = murderous intent ..and what about when you borrow a really good book from a friend and every time you see them you say Oh I must give you that book back. ...nose getting longer. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:23:23 +0000 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: NJC The Book Disease More symptoms What about borrowing a book from the library and almost swallowing your own tongue when you find someone has written in the margins. ..and what about buying the paperback version of a book and then buying the hardcopy as well .......cos you enjoyed it so much. ..and what about when you lend someone a book which you think is the greatest piece of prose ever written and they say yeah, it was o.k. = murderous intent ..and what about when you borrow a really good book from a friend and every time you see them you say Oh I must give you that book back. ...nose getting longer. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 06:18:58 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re : Children's Books (NJC) "Beezus and Ramona" by Beverly Cleary Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 06:53:58 -0500 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: smashing pumpkins - njc Never heard of a cheese steak! I guess it's most famously a Philadelphia thing, but I thought it had spread around the country. It's basically a hot hero, or hot submarine, or hot grinder, or whatever you call that kind of sandwich in your region, with either sliced or shredded beef, melted or semi-melted cheese, and fried onions. Some have tomatoe sauce too, and some people put hot peppers on them. Tres gourmet. > cheese steak. Never, ever, heard that term anywhere in my 44 > years of life. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:09:14 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: children's books njc Although I haven't been in "reading" place lately, I sorely feel the lack. I'm a constant reader and one of my favorite indulgences is still children's books. (some are more properly "teen" or "pre-teen" ones) Some that I still go back to: Five Run Away Together: Erin (?) Blyton Little Women Little Men Mrs. Mike although these are way old, I loved anything by Rosamund D'Jardin The Giver The Yearling The Cheerleader The Nancy Drew Series the books by S.E. Hinton And more but it's way early and I'm still waking up. MG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:34:17 EST From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: children's books NJC In a message dated 10/29/2001 12:45:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << The Secret Garden - Frances Hodgson Burnett >> This was, by far, my favorite children's book. I must have read it 5 times. After that, was the Nancy Drew series. Then I jumped into Freud's The Interpretation of Dreams when I was 12 and that was the end of my childhood. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:25:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Three years ago today... <> A couple: 1. When we were in the lobby of the Atlanta Ritz Carlton after her 1998 concert, waiting, hoping that she would appear. And then, all of a sudden, there she was! A moment frozen in time. I wanted to clap, to sigh, to cheer, but I could do nothing. Seemed like time stood still. 2. When she was signing the bag full of stuff that Marsha had brought for her to sign (she was SUCH a trooper about it), she held the Hejira LP and just looked at it with this admiring glance for awhile before she signed it. Very neat moment. 3. We all lined up for our "Kodak moment" with her, and I extended my arm out on the arm of her chair. She immediately reached over and took a hold of my hand and put a major squeeze on it. And then Pearl took the picture, and Joni requested that we take another one because her eyes were shut. I couldn't believe it! And that second picture, most of y'all have seen it, is a classic. Don't mean to rub it in, Hell...blame Suze, she asked! :~) Besides, you'll have your day, and what a glorious day that will be for all of us to share in your joy! Bob NP: Dinosaur Jr., "I Misunderstood" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:38:46 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: For Love or Money, All I Want <> I think it's just forgotten about, Jamie, because she never recorded a studio version of it. Jericho would have suffered the same fate had she not brought it out for DJRD, it just seems so more fleshed out in its studio version. I think For Love or Money is a great song! My favorite lyrical passage: The wars of pride and property The rebel Irish and the promised land Jew Fighting behind his eyes and over seas Wounded in action and no ceasefire in view The song seems to be a bit of twist on her usual "failed relationship" song in that it's from the guy's POV and he can't get over the girl. I wounder if she was projecting any of her old lovers onto the lead character? She does reference that the guy is a songwriter, or at least a poet: He's got stacks and stacks of words that rhyme Describing what it is to lose He's got some just for laughs He's got some for love That mainline to his blues Could the "mainline" be a play on words referencing "Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire", that is, a heroin addiction? <> Yes, Jamie, but it's from her 1970 BBC "Pink Dress" concert. As yet is hasn't been included as part of the video trees. There are quite a few lyrical differences between this version and what would finally show on "Blue". If anyone is interested, I can transcribe them tonight. Bob NP: Beausoleil, "Valerie" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:39:28 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: Harry Potter NJC Wally asked: >i've never read the harry potter books. are they worthwhile? They are great!! - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 05:48:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Eating Joni An introduction to this one could've been nice but i'm too hungry. So, friends, here's the full list of every food and drink that's mentioned on Joni's lyrics and albums. Enjoy your joni meal. STAS - (A child would be very happy with this sort of food, me too): Sweets, candy (sweet-red and sour-green), peaches, muffin buns, berries. Drinks - Wine and well water. Clouds - (What a lovely breakfast): Toast, honey, oranges, ice cream. Drinks - Milk, Wine. LOTC - (A great diet we all know): Apples, cheeses. Drinks - Tea, lemonade, soda, whiskey, wine. Blue - (Grownups food, fatloaded): Stews, omelettes. Drinks - Champagne, coffee, wine, FTR - (This meal's very strange, don't you think?): Gravy, gristle, bone, lobster, salty soup, cookie, eggs, fresh slamon, apple. Drinks - Sorry, falks, no booze. Only water. CAS - (This is, more or less, what i eat these days): Bread, chocolate bars. Drinks - Whisky, vodaka, coke, wine. THOSL - Hope no one's hungry, we've got only beer and wine on this one. Hejira - (Continental food for beginers): Eggs, cold cuts, apple. Drinks - Beer, coffee, water, DJRD - (A stoney kind of lunch if you ask me): Egg, coconut, both spiced with paprika. Drinks - tequila, beer, water, J&B, coke, rum. Now we get only water and NOTHING to eat for many years and albums untill - NRH - cold cuts. And the TI restaurant's closed too, but then - TTT - Frozen fish, ice cream, and a nice a piece of pie. Drinks - Tequila. This list is something i realy wanted to know (and make) for a long time. May seem idiotic to some - but it think it reveals so much and if you're interested then i'll tell you why soon. As for now, anyone who has a cool recipe made out of stuff that appears on the list, PLEASE, send it to me and make my day. Still hungry, folks? Lots of life and love, Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:50:38 EST From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni as a Jeopardy question! In a message dated 10/29/01 1:37:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, RobSher50@aol.com writes: > One thousand kudos to the person who can remember the Jeopardy question > asked > this past Friday by Alex Trebeck (sp?) I was so excited about hearing her > actually in a Jeopardy question, I have completely forgotten what the > question was! Agony! At least one of them knew who she was! Geez, Rob, calm yourself. If you're a regular watcher of Jeopardy as I am you'd know this is not a rare occurrence. Joni pops up on the show as the question to a Jeopardy answer fairly regularly. More than once a month, at least. Alas, though, usually none of the contestants gets the question correct. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:57:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Christmas CDs NJC Victor Johnson wrote: > > just curious - what are your favorite Christmas CDs? Mine is Noel by Joan > > Baez. The email on the Isle of Wight festival made me think of it. > > That was always my favorite one as well. > > Victor Mine also, along with A Charlie Brown Christmas. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:00:48 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: kids books NJC I was a Children's Librarian for 5 years and read many a children's book. My favorite has always been The Slave Dancer by Paula Fox. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:10:26 -0600 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Harry Potter NJC >Wally asked: >>i've never read the harry potter books. are they worthwhile? I've already read the first three and am currently reading the fourth book in the series, along with my daughter. Charming, enchanting, thoroughly delightful books. My daughter has pronounced them better than 'A Wrinkle in Time', and that was the best book she ever read. Sybil counting the days until The Movie opens. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:19:43 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry Potter NJC The Harry Potter books are great. Everyone I know who's read them raves about them. The only dissenter I know of is Harold Bloom (Closing of the American Mind, etc) and he thinks nothing of value has been published in children's literature since WWI. I am not kidding. I've never read Bloom, but he strikes me as a contrarian, although he has some interesting points. I loved Bridge to Terabithia too. boy did that make me cry. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:20:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Harry Potter NJC <> Bobstradamus predicts that Harry Potter will be such a HUGE hit, and will also sell so much merchandise in terms of action figures, books, etc, especially just in time for Christmas, that it will almost singlehandedly jumpstart the economy again! Imagine if Spielberg was directing, which almost happened until he took on AI instead. Bob, interested but hasn't read the first one yet... NP: Lionel Hampton, "Hampologie" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:12:18 -0500 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: War etc NJC Man, that was a mouthful! Damn Colin, what a direct, email about the contradictory nature of human beings. Many points I read and said to myself, "I am just like that as well". Well, Talk to ya later. Blair NP:"School is Out" Ry Cooder _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:23:07 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: For Love or Money, All I Want In a message dated 10/29/01 8:40:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > He's got stacks and stacks of words that rhyme > Describing what it is to lose > He's got some just for laughs > He's got some for love > That mainline to his blues > > Could the "mainline" be a play on words referencing "Cold Blue Steel & > Sweet Fire", that is, a heroin addiction? Could very well be. Does anyone know what nationality James Taylor is? > > < > > > > Yes, Jamie, but it's from her 1970 BBC "Pink Dress" concert. As yet is > hasn't been included as part of the video trees. There are quite a few > lyrical differences between this version and what would finally show on > "Blue". If anyone is interested, I can transcribe them tonight. I have this as an added bonus on a Shadows & Light video I purchased in an auction. Maybe we should include this in a future video tree? If my recollection is correct, Joni mentions this was a new song, a work in progress.... ~Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:52:02 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Hypocrisy (njc) Kakki wrote: > Colin wrote: > > > I have no doubt about the guilt of Bin Laden at all so the proof thing is > not an issue for me. > > I realized after I wrote that it may have sounded like I was directing that > at you, but did not mean to personally. Just was setting up the train of my > own logic for my position. It's okay, irealised that. > > > A lot of this we are going to have to deduce ourselves > as it goes along. again I agree however, it is not realistic to think that no innoents will be lost. Of course they will. > > > Kakki - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:54:33 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC The Book Disease My partner is very into books and owns far too many to count. I prefer paperbacks cos I can read them confotrtably. John gets pissed off cos I bed the covers back! He also books over and over whilst i only read them once unless it is non fiction. I only buy hardbacks if one they are cheap and two I really enjoy ytht author and don't wnat to wait the full year or so it takes for them to come out in paperback! I throw my books oput when I have read them-usually onto someone else. pyramus@lineone.net wrote: > More symptoms > > What about borrowing a book from the library and almost swallowing your own tongue when you find someone has written in the margins. > > ..and what about buying the paperback version of a book and then buying the hardcopy as well .......cos you enjoyed it so much. > > ..and what about when you lend someone a book which you think is the greatest piece of prose ever written and they say yeah, it was o.k. = murderous intent > > ..and what about when you borrow a really good book from a friend and every time you see them you say Oh I must give you that book back. ...nose getting longer. > > Kevin - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 07:54:55 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Pro-American, JMDL? njc - --- Kakki wrote: > People probably have varying motivations for displaying a flag, but to me (someone who by the way has never displayed an American flag for any purpose ever before in my life) it felt like the only way I could send a signal to others around me that I shared in our national grief - to me it was the only way to outward indicate empathy for the victims and each other at that point. The flag should mean many things to people because it stands for many things, most of all our collective heart. >>>>>>>>> So so true. This very point was made by a panel of U of Chicago professors I saw this weekend. One in particular had a history of involvement in radical '60s activism, and though he himself has not chosen the flag as his symbol of grief, he cautioned others at unilaterally assuming that every flag-flyer intends it as some jingoistic battle cry. Clearly he was overly influenced by Marxism. (JOKE!!!!!!!!! ;-) ) - --Michael NP: Artful Dodger, _It's All About the Stragglers_ NR: Zadie Smith, _White Teeth_ (When did I become such an Anglophile?) ===== ___________________________________________________________________________ "[Naipaul] is devoutly read wherever literacy in English prevails, as well as in parts of America." - --Gavin McNett, "The Black Sheep." http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/10/14/naipaul/index.html Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:57:36 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Harry Potter NJC The good thing about the film, from the clips I have seen, is that it looks just as I imagined it to look, characters and scenery are all faithfull to the book., the first one. I guess they must be thinking of making 4 films as this film is just the first book Harry Potter and The Philosophers Stone. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:58:30 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: War etc NJC > said to > myself, "I am just like that as well". I think you are not alone! > Well, Talk to ya later. > Blair > NP:"School is Out" Ry Cooder > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:00:20 +0000 From: colin Subject: hoax?? NJC http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SulHind Either these people are really really stupid or this is a hoax by some twit too stupid to realise it is sock. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:31:39 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: children's books njc Marian wrote: > > the Nancy Drew mysteries (the originals!) Kakki replied > Had almost every one in original and modern updated editions! I read somewhere that the Nancy Drew mysteries were revised over the years. Can anyone elaborate on why/how? Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:01:17 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: cheese steak njc We call that kind of thing a submarine sandwich in these parts but they are not that popular, most certainly not in the region of a hamburger or a chicken fried steak. My best friend Rosalie comes from Nebraska. She has told me of some differences in food. She said she was surprised to hear us refer to peas as English peas. They do not make the distinction there, they are just peas. We do, I suppose, because we eat blackeyed peas. She said they don't really eat them there much and I had another friend from Massachusetts. She said there they only use them for cow feed. Rosalie also says they don't eat okra. She hates it and refuses to eat it now. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 08:23:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: children's books njc Marian wrote: > I read somewhere that the Nancy Drew >mysteries were revised over the years. > Can anyone elaborate on why/how? The originals I had were from the 1930s and the revised versions were from the 50s and 60s. As far as I could tell the revisions were not substantive - just making things more modern to the times and updating vernacular. Beth's 1930 "roadster" became a 1960 "convertible," for example. Some of the older versions are really quite quaint in their use of English and reflection of social mores. I'm pretty sure they've been updated all along and their are 90s versions, etc. now, too. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:33:37 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: cheese steak njc Dolphie Bush wrote: > We call that kind of thing a submarine sandwich in these parts but they are > not that popular, most certainly not in the region of a hamburger or a > chicken fried steak. At the turn of the century, my great-grandfather who had come to the U.S. from Sicily, started a food market. He would cut Italian loaves of bread in half pour on olive oil, salt, and pepper, meats and cheeses and sell them at the docks when the sailors came off the boats. The sailors always referred to them as "Tom's submarines." In his obituary (1950) he is credited with having named the submarine sandwich. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:49:52 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Harry Potter NJC count me in as a lover of Harry Potter books - once I started reading the first, I kept going non-stop until I finished the 4th. I was entranced. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:14:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: children's books NJC Hi Mary, I love all of the AA Milne books & Alice & Wonderland, Through the Looking Glass & there is another author I discovered as an adult (I forget her name) who wrote Beyond the Paw Paw Trees & The Silver Nutmeg. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:13:21 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: Harry Potter NJC Being a completely lazy git, I bought the unabridged recordings read by our tremendous Stephen Fry. Read (hah!) all four now. I like them a lot and have bought a ticket for the special preview of the movie and how sad is all that! Les (London) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:18:20 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: island njc Marian, thanks for the memories. Thanks to Mary too for she opened the subject. I saw the movie "island of the blue dolphins" when I was a child. Then in Texico, New Mexico. I had always remembered it very fondly and it was one of my favorites. Did not know it was from a book. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:29:11 EST From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Hypocrisy (njc) Hi, all, I've enjoyed reading the posts continuing the thread on hypocrisy. I think what makes Kakki, Colin and most of the people who post here NON-hypocritical is their flexibility, and their honesty about their feeling conflicted when that happens. I think what makes us scornful of such people as Mr. Sullivan (alluded to in an earlier post, he's an "openly" gay journalist who is openly scornful of some of the subset lifestyles, in which it turns out he secretly participates) and various other public figures (including some ex-presidents) is their refusal to admit they've done anything wrong. Such a refusal to see yourself in anything less than a perfect light can get to eerie extremes (viz. a certain former football player's apparently sincere belief that he really didn't kill his ex-wife and another, since he just wouldn't do that kind of thing, being the kind of guy he is, etc.). By way of contrast, some public figures can be "rehabiltated" in the public view if they do a sufficient "mea culpa" job, such as (the soon to appear in SF with *gasp* John Waters) wondrously made-up Tammy Faye (formerly Bakker). One last note re: hypocrisy: If you like the Simpsons *and* philosophy, get a gander at The Simpsons and Philosophy: The D'Oh of Homer. Good chapter on Hypocrisy, and many other philiosophical subjects there. Pecae to all, warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:37:34 -0000 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Eating Joni Just thinking you missed one out in TTT but not sure where else alligators are a delicacy! :-) Peace, Much Joni Jamie Zoob - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nuriel Tobias To: Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Eating Joni > An introduction to this one could've been nice but i'm too hungry. So, friends, here's the full list of every food and drink that's mentioned on Joni's lyrics and albums. Enjoy your joni meal. > > > STAS - (A child would be very happy with this sort of food, me too): > Sweets, candy (sweet-red and sour-green), peaches, muffin buns, berries. > Drinks - Wine and well water. > > Clouds - (What a lovely breakfast): > Toast, honey, oranges, ice cream. > Drinks - Milk, Wine. > > LOTC - (A great diet we all know): > Apples, cheeses. > Drinks - Tea, lemonade, soda, whiskey, wine. > > Blue - (Grownups food, fatloaded): > Stews, omelettes. > Drinks - Champagne, coffee, wine, > > FTR - (This meal's very strange, don't you think?): > Gravy, gristle, bone, lobster, salty soup, cookie, eggs, fresh slamon, apple. > Drinks - Sorry, falks, no booze. Only water. > > CAS - (This is, more or less, what i eat these days): > Bread, chocolate bars. > Drinks - Whisky, vodaka, coke, wine. > > THOSL - Hope no one's hungry, we've got only beer and wine on this one. > > Hejira - (Continental food for beginers): > Eggs, cold cuts, apple. > Drinks - Beer, coffee, water, > > DJRD - (A stoney kind of lunch if you ask me): > Egg, coconut, both spiced with paprika. > Drinks - tequila, beer, water, J&B, coke, rum. > > Now we get only water and NOTHING to eat for many years and albums untill - > > NRH - cold cuts. > > And the TI restaurant's closed too, but then - > > TTT - Frozen fish, ice cream, and a nice a piece of pie. > Drinks - Tequila. > > This list is something i realy wanted to know (and make) for a long time. May seem idiotic to some - but it think it reveals so much and if you're interested then i'll tell you why soon. As for now, anyone who has a cool recipe made out of stuff that appears on the list, PLEASE, send it to me and make my day. > > Still hungry, folks? > > > Lots of life and love, > > Nuri > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! > Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:38:48 -0800 (PST) From: Mags N Brei Subject: Re: cheese steak njc A Cheese steak is a South Philadelphia (PA) delicacy. It is an amount (4-8 oz) of minute steak (thin, frozen beef) fried on a griddle (solid cooking surface) with a glop of butter or oil. As it cooks, the grill person breaks up the meat with the edge of the metal (non-slotted) spatula(s) until you end up with a pile of nicely cooked meat roughly the length of the Amoroso's torpedo roll you are going to put the meat on. The cheese is laid on top of the pile and melts into the meat. The type of cheese is stricly by personal preference. I like provolone, myself, but the 'tradional' choice is Cheese Whiz, a blended cheese that comes in a number 10 can. After the cheese melts, the sliced open roll (very fresh) is laid on top of the meat/cheese pile and the talented grill person can take his spatula and put it under the meat and keep any of the mm-mm-gooooood contents from falling out, and flip the whole thing over. Some people like fried chopped onions mixed in with the meat after it is cooked, before the cheese is added. A bit high in fat content, but what the hell. Too bad I haven't had one since before my cardiac bypass surgery in January. I miss them, but I like my arteries better. A local place (here in South Jersey) makes their own variation which is especially good. They turn the fresh roll into a toasted garlic bread roll in the pizza oven while the meat is cooking. Really good!!! Check them out at www.santinis.com and order yourself a Cheesesteak Santini! Tell them Brian sent you!! - --- Dolphie Bush wrote: > We call that kind of thing a submarine sandwich in these parts but > they are > not that popular, most certainly not in the region of a hamburger or > a > chicken fried steak. ===== I've got you to see me through, looking out for what I do Spreading sunshine from the skies, placing rainbows in my eyes Got you watching out for me, making sense of what I see When my world is wearing blue, I've got you to see me through . - ---by Eleanor McEvoy on her album Yola (2001) . Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:59:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Eating Joni nuriel, this is very revealing to me too. great job. incidentally, i wasn't criticizing you when i wrote about the dulcimer the other day. that's why i said ''fwiw'', i.e., ''for what it's worth''. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:24:21 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Christmas CDs (NJC) I don't have it anymore but one I remember loving was a christmas record with all motown artists...really cool... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:24:16 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Eating Joni Oh Wally, your such an amazing Joni teacher. I love you. what did you reveal? I must say that only now, some few hours after i've finished the task, i'm just begining to understand and feel the warmth and the glow that's coming from the food and drinks in Joni's songs. I'll have to let it fill me with it's light and the healing power hidden inside it then i can write my thoughts. Pure happines... Nuri - --- "Wally Kairuz" > wrote: >nuriel, >this is very revealing to me too. great job. >incidentally, i wasn't criticizing you when i wrote about the dulcimer the >other day. that's why i said ''fwiw'', i.e., ''for what it's worth''. >wallyK _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:52:36 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: children's books njc > Marian wrote: > > > I read somewhere that the Nancy Drew >mysteries were revised over the > years. > > Can anyone elaborate on why/how? > > The originals I had were from the 1930s and the revised versions were from > the 50s and 60s. As far as I could tell the revisions were not > substantive - just making things more modern to the times and updating > vernacular. Beth's 1930 "roadster" became a 1960 "convertible," for > example. Some of the older versions are really quite quaint in their use of > English and reflection of social mores. I'm pretty sure they've been > updated all along and their are 90s versions, etc. now, too. ;-) Thanks, Kakki! I used to stay up late at night with a flashlight reading these books! :^D and I've often thought it would be fun to re-read them all someday. I was always intrigued by the titles - e.g.: The Secret of the Old Clock The Mystery at Lilac Inn The Hidden Staircase The Password to Larkspur Lane Message in the Hollow Oak Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 20:56:03 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: dulcimer question - njc I would like to get a dulcimer. I really don't know anything about them. Are there different kinds? What kind should I get if I want to be able to play Joni's songs on dulcimer? Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:15:19 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Eating Joni mmmmm.....excuse me, I thought we were not meant to be smutty in the subject line? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:17:27 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Christmas CDs (NJC) I HATE Xmas cd's and I HATE xmas! It is banned in this house. we ignore it completely. Kate Bennett wrote: > I don't have it anymore but one I remember loving was a christmas record > with all motown artists...really cool... > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:21:08 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: children's books njc I had no idea these books were that old. i read a one or two Nancy Drew books in my childhood. And the Hardy Boys too. I have never read Catcher In The Rye either even tho i did a paper on it for Eng Lit. i got an A+. i ddi that with all my books. Never rwad any of them. Northanger Abbey(Austen) was another I never read but did a paper on anyway. How you may ask? easy. I read a few paragraphs here and there and then waffled on in good English. worked every time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 15:19:11 -0600 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Eating Joni That is priceless Colin. Mack > mmmmm.....excuse me, I thought we were not meant to be smutty in the subject > line? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:28:17 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: joni joni would like this; " Painting is poetry which is seen and not heard, and poetry is a painting which is heard but not seen. " Leonardo da Vinci ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:28:23 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: children's books NJC >my favorite children's books: Everything by Dr. Suess Everything by Shel Silverstein Les NP: Ryan Adams again ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:34:43 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: children's books NJC Anybody ever read "The Pushcart War" ? It was one of my favorite children's books. I can't remember the author. It was about a war between the pushcart peddlers and the truckers who kept getting bigger and bigger and putting the pushcarts out of business. I also enjoyed the "Over Sea Under Stone" series by Susan (something or other). It might have been my earliest introduction to fantasy, and then I was hooked. Dr. Suess goes without saying. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:45:28 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Covers Just noticed that Undercover Bob is only 5 covers away from hitting the 800 mark! If you haven't checked out Bob's handiwork lately, head on over to http://www.jmdl.com/covers. Check out the list of recordings he's still looking for, maybe you can help. Also, did you know... Joni's Most Covered Songs: 1) Both Sides Now (194 times) 2) Woodstock (60 times) 3) Big Yellow Taxi (58 times) 4) River (35 times) 5) Urge For Going (32 times) 6) The Circle Game (30 times) 7) Chelsea Morning (27 times) 8) A Case Of You (25 times) 9) For Free (19 times) 10) This Flight Tonight (17 times) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 13:47:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Eating Joni My pleasure, Les. There's another "theme" project i've been longing to do for years so i'm working on it and i promise it'll be very interesting. You'll never guess but i promise it's going to make you Yahoo! Make Joni not war, Nuri - --- Les Irvin > wrote: >At 06:48 AM 10/29/2001, you wrote: >>An introduction to this one could've been nice but i'm too hungry. So, >>friends, here's the full list of every food and drink that's mentioned on >>Joni's lyrics and albums. Enjoy your joni meal. > >This is a very interesting project. Thanks for doing it. >Les _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 14:03:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Yarbrough Subject: user-directed internet radio (sjc) http://www.launch.com/ still offers such a service, and in my opinion it's better than sonicnet's was. just don't tell my employer i said that. ;-) and, happily, the list of artists played on stations directed by joni fans includes not only natalie merchant (blech) and ani difranco (much better), but portishead (YAY!!). no folkie pigeonholing here. - --michael np: depeche mode, "never let me down again" ===== ___________________________________________________________________________ "[Naipaul] is devoutly read wherever literacy in English prevails, as well as in parts of America." - --Gavin McNett, "The Black Sheep." http://www.salon.com/books/feature/2001/10/14/naipaul/index.html Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:03:28 EST From: Rusty10113@aol.com Subject: Re: John Kelly Hi all...Im going from lurker to full blown participant with this one, because I would love some help with an upcoming writing assignment... I'm interviewing John Kelly for a small NYC weekly, HX, and was wondering what you'd most like to know about him and his new show at Fez, which has been extended through the new year and I understand will contain some Xmas material (more to come on that)... anyway, the interview is this Wednesday, and would appreciate any insight or questions you all might have. Don't be shy! thanks much for any help gang... mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:07:48 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers <> I'll second that! The latest addition is a 1994 cover of Little Green by Lesley Olsher and The Santa Fe Sound Machine...thanks Dennis!! Volume 23 is right around the corner, so hang in there! Bob NP: The Silhouettes, "Get A Job" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:26:23 +0000 From: colin Subject: Fry NJC On saturday nights here we have an interview program called Parkinson. he is an excellent interviewer, he actually lets the guest talk. he also gets really good interviewees, all the BIG names. Anyway, he had Steven Fry on and Cher and Larry Hagman. They got to talking about Cher's daughter and her being lesbian. Parky asked Steven fry if he had had a problem coming out to his p[arents and he said'oh no they always knew. The moment I was born I turned to my mother and said 'that's the last time I am going up one of those'!!!!!!!!!!! If you saw the film Wilde, you know who Steven Fry as he played the lead. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 22:30:50 +0000 From: colin Subject: Re: John Kelly May be on obvious question, but I'd really like to know how and why he decided to be Joni in his shows. She is not an obvious choice. Rusty10113@aol.com wrote: > Hi all...Im going from lurker to full blown participant with this one, > because I would love some help with an upcoming writing assignment... I'm > interviewing John Kelly for a small NYC weekly, HX, and was wondering what > you'd most like to know about him and his new show at Fez, which has been > extended through the new year and I understand will contain some Xmas > material (more to come on that)... anyway, the interview is this Wednesday, > and would appreciate any insight or questions you all might have. > > Don't be shy! thanks much for any help gang... > > mitch - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 16:45:37 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: ISO DAT copy of Joni 1/26/95 Hey everyone, I just got into the world of DAT and am looking for this show on such media. I only have 1 deck so I can't trade anything, so is there anybody out there willing to B&P this fine, fine show for me? I think it's on 1 60m. I would totally appreciate it. I have lots of non-Joni stuff to trade on CD-R (all top quality) for this show. Let me know and I'll send you a link to my list. Have a happy halloween everybody! Mark NPIMH-Katell Keineg, Hestia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 17:49:15 EST From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: tale of genji NJC Hello, Bree got me thinking of the Tale of Genji, an ancient novel about romance at court by Murasaki Shikibu. (Heian Japan, 1000 years ago). The first novel and still considered one of the best. Has anyone read it? I've always wanted to have a really good fight (er, debate) about the merits of the various translations. Any ideas on listservs to join would be appreciated. I've looked but I'm not finding anything. Maybe I don't know where to look? I have only read the Seidensticker version, which kind of pissed me off because he didn't name the characters. if anyone's read Waley (the first English version) or the new one (forget the translator's name) please email me. one of my get-around-toits is to get the Waley and compare and contrast. then there's the new one of course. Mary People hurry by so quickly Don't they hear the melodies In the chiming and the clicking And the laughing harmonies - - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #525 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?