From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #524 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 29 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 524 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Christmas CDs NJC [Janet Hess ] Re: all i want(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: book disease NJC warning long [Janet Hess ] Re: Christmas CDs NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] kids books NJC [Yael Harlap ] more books NJC [Yael Harlap ] eloise anyone? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: eloise anyone? NJC ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: eloise anyone? NJC ["Kakki" ] RE: eloise anyone? NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: eloise anyone? NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: children's books NJC ["hell" ] Re: Three years ago today... ["hell" ] Re: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 2 ["hell" ] Re: Tour report (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Opposing views (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Joni as a Jeopardy question! [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Christmas CDs (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re:Naming the Supremes (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] children's books NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] RE: A technical question for guitarists ["Scott Hertzog Verizon" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:38:52 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Christmas CDs NJC "Hymns, Carols and Songs About Snow," Tuck Andress (of Tuck and Patti), solo electric guitar on Windham Hill Jazz. It's so nice I've been known to play it in the middle of the summer. One of the favorite gift CDs I've received (this and "Both Sides Now," as it happens). Cheerz, Janet and Deanna, neither of whom is wearing that floppy Santa Claus hat at the moment ;) - ----------------- So when you see a man who's broken / Pick him up and carry him. And when you see a woman who's broken / Put her all into your arms 'Cause we don't know where we come from / We don't know what we are. Laurie Anderson, "Ramon" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:40:32 -0500 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: all i want(njc) > Be kind to my mistakes. > Hi mistake, And welcome to the list. I hope you enjoy yourself and get to meet all the other mistakes that show up here from time to time. I hope you're not too shy for some people will go at great lengths to expose you and may spend even several days discussing your attributes. And others may say, it's just a mistake...ignore it, but don't you feel bad...you should feel proud to be a mistake, for many great things are built on mistakes. cheers, Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:49:54 -0500 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: book disease NJC warning long Here's how bad it is in my little corner of DC: I've run out of room and alternatives, and I'm thinking about installing bookshelves in the bathtub. Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who has become accustomed to constantly cascading piles of books that encroach upon her floor space - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:55:24 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Christmas CDs NJC > > just curious - what are your favorite Christmas CDs? Mine is Noel by Joan > > Baez. I also love the Baez and would place it as a favorite. Others: Emmylou Harris 'Light of the Stable' Barbra Streisand 'A Christmas Album' Julie Andrews & Andre Previn 'A Christmas Treasure' Linda Ronstadt 'A Merry Little Christmas' Maddy Prior & the Carnival Band 'Carols and Capers' Peter, Paul & Mary 'A Holiday Celebration' Kathleen Battle 'A Christmas Celebration' Although I'm not particularly religious I love the trappings of Christmas. My Christmas tree is one of my obsessions. (Ask Travis if you don't believe me.) Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:57:38 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: kids books NJC Colin said: >Whoever it was that wrote My Darlimng My Hamburger. Paul Zindel is the author of that. My favorite children's books are: Bridge to Terabithia - Katherine Patterson (<--- if you haven't read this yet, do!) The Last Unicorn - Peter S Beagle When I was little I loved the Noel Streatfield (sp?) books (Ballet Shoes, etc) and definitely anything by Paula Danziger Winnie the Pooh, etc and also Betsy Byars' and Ellen Conford's books. A few months ago I was listening to National Public Radio on Sunday, which means silly game shows, and someone calls in, and when the host asked who it was, the voice said "My name is Ellen Conford" and I thought *no way!* Well, then, the host asks her what her profession is, and she replies "I write books for young people" (or something like that) - now THAT made me smile - I was listening to one of my favorite children's authors! And of course the Hobbit and Alice in Wonderland/Through the looking glass. I used to read A LOT. Like, in grade 6, a novel almost every day. and over one summer I kept track and I read something like 220 books between the end of June and September. - -Yael, who reads almost nothing but scholarly articles now, grumble, but is reading the 3rd book in His Dark Materials series, which I recommend to all big children. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:05:48 -0500 From: Yael Harlap Subject: more books NJC I have to add more kids books!!! Wally said: >momo by michael ende and Deb said: A Little Princess Harriet the Spy Yes! Yes! I loved those! enough. about. books. go. to. bed. - -yael, who is actually about to read the Amber Spyglass for a bit (though she should be reading foucault, but that isn't exactly bedtime reading) ps: if you haven't read The Very Persistent Gappers of Frip, which is a new children/big children book that came out last year, run to the library/bookstore!! it is very short. and i know i have posted about it before. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:23:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: eloise anyone? NJC so no one has read the eloise books??? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:30:18 -0500 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: eloise anyone? NJC Well, Wally, I have them all for Jordan, and both she and I love them!! They are absolutely wonderful. I read in the paper last year that the first book is being turned into a live action movie- no idea who will be in it,but surely will be great! Also loved your choice of Bemelman and Madeline! And of course, there is Curious George! And Harry Potter Best, Stephen in Vancouver NP: Fiona Apple- 1st one! "Wally Kairuz" on 10/28/2001 09:23:03 PM Please respond to "Wally Kairuz" To: joni@smoe.org cc: (bcc: Stephen Epstein/Agmont) Subject: eloise anyone? NJC so no one has read the eloise books??? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:38:22 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: eloise anyone? NJC Wow! I didn't think many people knew of or still remembered the Eloise books! Did you know they were loosely based on Liza Minelli when she was a child (Kay Thomson was Liza's godmother). I had an original Eloise at Christmastime book in almost mint condition that I sold on eBay four years ago for around $400. I know, I know, I felt pretty guilty about selling away a part of my childhood, but think I used the proceeds to go to either the Joni concerts or a Jonifest ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 02:38:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: eloise anyone? NJC i've never read the harry potter books. are they worthwhile? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: Stephen Epstein [mailto:sepstein@agmont.com] Enviado el: Lunes, 29 de Octubre de 2001 02:30 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: eloise anyone? NJC And Harry Potter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 20:42:02 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: eloise anyone? NJC Oops - correct spelling is - Liza Minnelli and Kay Thompson. Kakki, missing lots of letters these daze! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 18:48:59 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: children's books NJC Mary wrote: > just curious - what are your favorite children's books and are there any > commonalities among them? Mine are Karen by Marie Killilea (nonfiction about > a girl with cerebral palsy growing up in the 1940's), The Little White Horse > by Elizabeth Goudge (fiction about a girl in Victorian England who goes to > her uncle's country estate, and Tom's Midnight Garden by Phillipa Pearce > (fiction about a boy who stays with his aunt and uncle and finds a garden in > "a secret place in time". OK, confession time. Not only do I still have all my childrens books (only because my mother threatened to give them all away if I didn't get them out of her house) I also re-read some of them from time to time, for nostalgia's sake! My favourites (in no particular order) include(d): The Chronicles of Narnia - C.S. Lewis - The Magician's Nephew - The Lion, The Witch And The Wardrobe - The Horse And His Boy - Prince Caspian - The Voyage Of The Dawn Treader - The Silver Chair - The Last Battle The Secret Garden - Frances Hodgson Burnett The Famous Five series - Enid Blyton (I could list all 21 titles here in order.......but I won't!) The Wind In The Willows - Kenneth Graham Winnie The Pooh - A.A. Milne Peter Pan And Wendy - J.M. Barrie (every adult should read this - hilarious!) The Uncle Remus Stories (Brer Rabbit, etc.) - can't remember the author? The Adventures of Tintin - Herge Maoriland Fairy Tales - Edith Howe (a "European-ised" version of traditional Maori legends) And when I was very young: Ant And Bee - not sure who wrote these, but they were wonderful! Noddy and Big Ears - Enid Blyton again (and the originals, not the "PC" version, where Big Ears can't sleep in the same bed with Noddy!) Hmmmm...maybe it IS time I cleaned out my bookshelves! No real common themes here, except for having good, interesting story-lines and characters. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:02:41 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Three years ago today... Sue wrote: > The best part of meeting up with Joni > was walking out of the restaurant/bar. > listening to her tell the story of the > mockingbird who would sing when it heard > a car climing, climbing, climbing the hill. > > Would love to hear everyone's best Joni > in person moment(s).... Oh, sure. Rub it in. Just when I was getting over missing Joni in LA, and not getting to the Toronto Tribute, someone has to bring it all back up again......sob....I just can't take it any more! I'm just going to have to move to LA, and get a job waitressing at The Daily Grill. Thereby ensuring I'll have lots of stories to tell - "Hey, today, she only glared at my twice when I got her order wrong and dropped coffee all over her shoe - I'm improving!" Hell - vowing that one day, ONE DAY, I WILL meet Joni! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 19:05:46 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 2 Bob wrote: > << let's just leave it at "wow, she's been covered a shitload of times!" >> > > Or maybe "a New Zealand homemade boxload of times"! :~) TWO boxloads, Bob, TWO! I haven't started on the plans yet, but I have given it some thought....these things take time to "evolve", in the manner of all great works of art. Hell - wondering if she's fooling anyone at all ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:17:50 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Tour report (njc) Dear Victor, Thanks so much for the update! I am so glad to hear that you are having the time of your life. I am so happy for you! Sherelle In a message dated 10/27/2001 12:55:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 04:53:35 -0400 > From: waytoblu@mindspring.com > Subject: tour report!(njc) > > Hey everyone! > > It's about 5 in the morning, and I'm at a house in Raleigh, North > Carolina near where we played tonight at the Lincoln Theatre, a really > nice venue. The energy tonight was incredible. There were two > drummers, two guitars, bass, a singer, and of course, keyboards. I'm > having more fun than I've ever had and am in no hurry to return home. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:28:53 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Opposing views (njc) Hi everyone, I just want to let you know as a lurker on the events of 9/11 and the subsequent discussions, I appreciate hearing both sides and I am learning quite a bit about how differently people with like interests (Joni) can feel about the same subject. I also appreciate the fact that it is okay to disagree with one another. It makes great reading. Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:33:50 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Joni as a Jeopardy question! One thousand kudos to the person who can remember the Jeopardy question asked this past Friday by Alex Trebeck (sp?) I was so excited about hearing her actually in a Jeopardy question, I have completely forgotten what the question was! Agony! At least one of them knew who she was! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:53:59 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Christmas CDs (NJC) Hello, My favorite Christmas CD is actually one done by a new found friend of mine and a regional celebrity by the name of B.E. Taylor. It's called 'B.E. Taylor Christmas 2." Bill had a hit in the 80's that received national airplay called "Vitamin L". He does this arrangement of "Hark the Herald Angels Sing" that I really love. It has a bit of a reggae off beat to it. His vocal arrangements on the song are outstanding. I had the privilege and honor of doing some back up vocals for a song he wrote that will air on One Life to Live this Christmas called, "Christmas Day." If all goes well, you will be able to hear me individually at the very end throwing a little "groove" into the mix. We've known about each other for many months, but when we finally met, it was like we'd known each other all of our lives. I have never met a nicer, kinder, more genuine person in all of my life. He treated me with so much respect and dignity. Other artists in this area, though very talented, have always seemed to either be afraid of me, or too busy with their own agendas to take me seriously. Bill did neither. I would be absolutely thrilled if there were someone out there who actually has heard of him. He hangs out with another guy from my area who had a national hit called, "Gloria" (Don or Donny Iris) They just did a local benefit to aid the families who lost loved ones in the 9/11 bombings. I will cease my ramblings now. It's just so nice to meet another artist who treats you with respect. Sherelle In a message dated 10/28/2001 12:04:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 22:56:21 EDT > From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com > Subject: Christmas CDs NJC > > Hello, > > just curious - what are your favorite Christmas CDs? Mine is Noel by Joan > Baez. The email on the Isle of Wight festival made me think of it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 01:57:47 EST From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re:Naming the Supremes (njc) Dear Rick, Did you know that Sherry Payne and Freeda Payne were sisters? I just read an article where the two of them were going to revamp a part of Detroit near Motown in honor of their father who ran a bar or restaurant there. Interesting. Sherelle In a message dated 10/28/2001 8:30:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > In a message dated 10/26/01 7:35:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > > > > << What about Cindy Birdsong? >> > > and Sherrie Payne? > > > > No regrets, > > > > Coyote Rick > > Casa Alegre > > Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:05:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: children's books NJC my favorite children's books: From the Mixed-up Files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankwiler by E.L. Konigsburg Dominic by William Steig Tuck Everlasting by Natalie Babbit Alice and Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass by Lewis Carroll and everything Daniel Pinkwater has written, especially Alan Mendholsson, the Boy From Mars and Young Adult Novel. I worked in a children's bookstore for a while in the late '80's, so I've read LOTS of children's literature. From the Mixed Up Files... i read for the first time in the third grade, and I credit it with giving me a love of literature. The rest of my list (except for the Alice books) I didn't discover until I was an adult. I don't really consider the Alice books children's lit, at least not anymore. Adults get so much more out of them than kids do. Anyone who loves silly fun needs to read Daniel Pinkwater. I forced his books on my sister, she gave me the Douglas Adams' Hitchiker' s guide books in return. They're both full of the same type of silly, punning humor. Good stuff! Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 23:21:57 -0800 From: "Scott Hertzog Verizon" Subject: RE: A technical question for guitarists I just learned (after 25 years of playing!) that you can take a lot of pressure off of your thumb (and somewhat off your fingers) by 'pressing' the guitar against your body with your strumming-hand elbow, which makes your body a fulcrum, and presses the fretboard into your fingers. This has been a boon as I have recently started playing fretless bass, and my left thumb was gettin' mighty sore! Scott www.ezinfocenter.com/2663130 - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of slarty Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2001 11:29 AM To: Gertus@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: A technical question for guitarists It's possible that she has trouble using regular bar chords as you have to put quite a bit of pressure on the neck with your left hand. Specially when you are learning. It's also possible that she was taking flak from some people for using her system and used that as an excuse though I favour the first reason. Gertus@aol.com wrote: > I've been puzzling about something arising from Karen O'Brien's biography, > "Shadows and Light". At least twice Karen mentions the fact that polio left > Joni with a deficiency in her left side which meant she was unable to master > a "Cotten picking" style of guitar playing. While I can see that a weakness > of the right hand could lead to difficulty in this respect I can't see why a > problem with the left hand would lead to her "ending up playing mostly the > 6th string, banging it into the 5th." Looking at early footage of Joni's > playing she seems to use a highly developed finger picking style, although > it's true this was later abandoned. The development of her many tunings as > the result of left hand weakness I can understand as they make for more > comfortable fingering on the whole, although more barring which takes quite a > lot of strength. > > Comments welcome, > Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:14:15 -0800 From: jan Subject: Re: children's books NJC At 10:27 AM 10/28/01 EST, TimandMaryPowers@aol.com wrote: >just curious - what are your favorite children's books and are there any >commonalities among them? (snip) >Mary (thinking back to childhood) A Hole Is To Dig, Maurice Sendack Madeleine And The Bad Hat, ? Alice In Wonderland, Through The Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll Eloise in Paris, ? A Wrinkle In Time, Madeleine D'Engle Commonalities? I suppose all are about one's escape to a yearned-for better place. - -jan ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #524 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?