From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #519 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 519 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 2 [FredNow@aol.com] Today's Articles: October 26 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: October 26 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Pro-American, JMDL? njc [FredNow@aol.com] War etc NJC [colin ] re:Article on Yeats Poem [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: JAG, and "jag" (NJC) [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 2 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Bouncy Hell NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: War etc NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Naming the Supremes [Steve Polifka ] Re: Ben Folds & Ryan Adams RULE MY WORLD! (njc) ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: War etc NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: War etc NJC [colin ] Re: Geriatric rockers..... NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: Joni on Bravo??? [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Naming the Supremes [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Naming the Supremes [Steve Polifka ] Re: Geriatric rockers..... NJC [colin ] Re: Geriatric rockers..... NJC [Jerry Notaro ] RE: support for war effort ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: Geriatric rockers..... NJC [colin ] joy, joy, joy, joy NJC [colin ] Flag story (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Pro-American, JMDL? (NJC) ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Ben Folds (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: Ben Folds (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:02:04 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 2 >Noting that Joni >has been covered by more recording artists than any single composer, with >the exception of Mozart I'm just curious, what exactly does this mean? Who said this? Sure, Joni's been covered a lot, but this isn't accurate, and throwing Mozart in there makes is hyperbolic, to say the least ... I mean, why Mozart? What about Beethoven? Or Bach? Or Irving Berlin? Or George Gershwin? Where are these tallies even documented, anyway? I guess it bugs me a little because it seems a specious effort to give Joni more validity, which she certainly doesn't need. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:16:26 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 26 On October 26 this article was published: 1998: "Rock review, Joni Mitchell at United Center" - Chicago Tribune (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981026ct.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 645 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:16:26 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: October 26 On October 26 in Joni Mitchell History: 1998: Joni performs tonight in Indianapolis. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/performances/docs/981026.cfm http://jonimitchell.com/RoadAgainIndianapolis1098.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:53:10 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Pro-American, JMDL? njc "Dolphie Bush" writes: >But I do support our current action. I might not like some of the results >of it but until someone comes up with some viable alternative, which I >have not seen or read here, I will continue to support the actions in the Middle >East Here's one: Marshall Plan First ... serious humanitarian aid -- food, medical, infrastructure -- not just in Afghanistan (after we used them to fight our proxy war with the USSR, we left their country and people in a shambles when it was over) but in all Arab and Muslim countries where needed, buying good will throughout the world (our current aid is roughly 10 cents for every $100 of GNP as opposed to other major industrialized nations who give roughly 20-30 cents for every $100 of GNP) which will build a much stronger coalition against terrorism than just political intimidation. This will alleviate some of the desperate conditions that breed terrorism, as opposed to ineffectual broadband military action that can't help but to enrage currently moderate Muslims and will only foment more terrorism. Concurrently with large scale humanitarian aid, use special forces in highly focused covert action to track down Al Qaeda cells around the world. And it wouldn't hurt to pressure Israel and Palestine to achieve a real, meaningful peace accord, which will entail applying pressure on Israel to allow a Palestinian state. While we're at it, this is the year 2001, it's the 21st century, we're living in the future now ... let's develop some meaningful alternative energy, get the oil monkey off our backs, then maybe we wouldn't have to use the Muslims' holy lands as our military bases to police "our" oil fields. How's that for a viable alternative? You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one ... - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:53:16 +0100 From: colin Subject: War etc NJC Landmines have been banned because of the terrible cost to human life. Yet cluster bombs, which are air dropped landmines are being dropped in Afghanistan. Thes bombs are not accurate, and many of the bomblets do not explode and lay around on the ground just like landmines. Hundreds of people in what used to be Yugoslavia have been killed since the war ended, killed by these air dropped landmines. Mack stated that the USA has done more good for the world than any single nation. I do not know if that is true or not but would be interested to read some examples. People are right-America is seen as bully in many parts of the world and a country that does what it wants regradless. Granada, Vietnam, Nicaragua and loads more. But then this is the only info we get fed via the media. So we only get the bad stuff. I am glad people who think it is wrong to criticise their country are not in power. Kakki's point about not being able to pigeonhole herlsef and her political beliefs is a good one. I think that is how it should be. I have no idea how mine would be classified. I have different views on different thinsg. I am anti blood sports. Iam anti war but I think Bin Laden and his henchmen should be destroyed, meaning killed, as I think it is ethicsl to kill a person or person if by doing so we save many many others. yet i think it ethically wrong to kill.BUT I do not think bombing Afgahistan iis right. The killing of the 10 year old son of the Taliban leader is not going to help us at all. I am anti captial punsihment. I do not like the idea of abortion but it is not my business, or anyone elses, what a woman does with her body. She is the only one entitled to decide. I think adultery is wrong. I think people must decide for themselves how to live their lives and accpet the consequences of their behaviour and decsions. I think the capitalist system is wrong but am not clever enough to come up with a different solution. the idea that we live in equal opportunity soceites is bullshit. Meritocracies do not work and are biased against those who lack intelligence, who may have illness, or disabilites or whatever. i tend to think that wealth is wrong, that soem people cannot eat daily and others have billions of pounds/dollars, several houses etc. yet i'd love the money. hypocrite that I am. If I can outearn otehrs becasue I am gifted or more clever why shouldn't i? yet I thin k this way we run society is wrong and that we shouldn't be able to get rich off the baxcks of others and shouldn't ignore the plight of those who are less able. Hypocrite that I am. I don't think it is right for govt to tell me how to live my life and interfere in it. I think it isw rong to legislate about sexual matters, except for the protection of children. But I do support legislation that does interfere in the lives of those preople like the National Front, British National Party, here in the UK(KKK types). hypocrite that I am. I think racism is wrong but I am racist in subtle ways. I am not a believer in the class system and think all are eqaul and should bet reated as such but I look down on trailer trash, what we call common people! I am against sexism yet tend to be prejudiced against my own sex. I see men as dangerous. I think a woman should be free to do as she please but cringe when I hear a woman has a one night stand or lots of partners but do cringe when a man does so. I despise the macho ethic, yet am often attracted to that type of man! hypocrite that I am. ( of course we all have experiences that colour these things, upbringing, traumas etc, but it still a prejudice). Whilst I think it wrong to kill, like capital punishment, I do support killing in some circumstances, like those stated earlier.Hypocrite that I am. I am a pacifist by nature. But I would kill you if you were trying to harm me and mine. I wouldn't just stand there and let you do it. Had I been on that plane and had a chance to kill the hijackers, i would have. Mind you I know I would have been so scared and distressed, I'd have been useless. I strongly believe in 'thou shalt not kill' and yet I support euthanaisia. I have watched porn. I have a negative attitude to those who make them and star in them.I think 'how could you? what if your friends, family, neighbours etc saw you? Hypocrite that I am. I think nudity is natural and nothing wrong with it. yet i think it not good for women to display themselves on Page Three(a daily newsper thing here-newspapers have a nude woman on Page Three) or in Playboy. yet don't feel the same way when a man does it. hypocrite that I am. I think criminals should not be locked up so long and when they are should be treated with dignity and respect and rehabilitaed rather than punished. Yet i think anyone who absues a child should be in prison for LIFE, emeaning life. It is a childs life we are playing with when we decide these people are no longer a danger. So all in all, I hold comntradictory beliefs and am a hypocrite. Just the same as everyone else. I also have no answers for the problems in the world. It is easy to say, yes well, if we loved eachother and followed such obviously correct principles as having positive regard for ewacother then the world would be okay. Huh! If only! In the end we can only be honest with ourselves and grow the best we can. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:55:13 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: re:Article on Yeats Poem Thanks for that Wally. Very interesting..although I did get a bit lost at <> :) When You Are Old When you are old and grey and full of sleep, And nodding by the fire, take down this book, And slowly read, and dream of the soft look Your eyes had once, and of their shadows deep; How many loved your moments of glad grace, And loved your beauty with love false or true, But one man loved the pilgrim soul in you, And loved the sorrows of your changing face; And bending down beside the glowing bars, Murmur, a little sadly, how Love fled And paced upon the mountains overhead And hid his face amid a crowd of stars. William Butler Yeats Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:10:15 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: JAG, and "jag" (NJC) i heard 'jagoff' all over the country. in cleveland....it was something....he's a real....jhiag ough in philly....it was .....you fuggin' jaggaff in georgia ...it was.....hey....don' bee such a jayagoff then, there was ...jerkoff and jackoff and whackoff and whackin off. i think i heard jackoff more than jagoff or jerkoff. then, there was buffing the bishop ( no offense vince), spanking the monkey, choking the chicken, and pudding off. and it was definately not cool to be associated with jerking off in highschool and college. but somewhere around 30 years of age in corporate business, it became kosher to joke about jerking off. pat > From: "Pitassi, Mary" > Subject: RE: JAG, and "jag" (NJC) > > But about that other "jag": the phrase must not be limited to Chicago, > because I certainly heard "jagoff" growing up in Pittsburgh. Being the > sweet young thing that I was back then, I hadn't a clue about its > connotations of. . . ahem. . . enjoyment. I did know, however, that the > term wasn't one anyone wanted directed at them. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:52:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Reworked Joni Tribute Part 2 <> Fred, this statement jumped out at me as well, for obvious reasons. When I hear the words "Joni" & "cover" used in proximity, I perk up like a cat hearing a can opener! :~) And while I can vouch for the fact that Joni's been covered a lot, I thank my lucky stars that I'm not commanding a Dylan covers project! While Joni's got one "franchise" song (BSN) and maybe 2 others (Woodstock & BYT), Dylan's got about 20 that fall in that BSN category! What I don't know, and what would be an interesting thing to research, is what percentage of Joni's songs vs. Dylan's songs have been covered. Obviously, The Beatles have been covered more as well, but the reference was to a SINGLE songwriter. I would guess that Paul Simon has probably been covered as much as Joni. Just a guess. Bob NP: Steve Winwood, "It's All Right" (Curtis Mayfield cover) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:58:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Bouncy Hell NJC "She has a natural bounce and curiosity which helps place her in the above average category." LOL! And obviously still so true about you, Hell...and two thoughts come to mind: - -That teacher was very perceptive; - -Like me, you haven't changed much (I mean the essence of you) in all these years. I wonder how universal that is...if the people we are in 3rd and 4th grade are the people we remain throughout our lives. I know that book "All I ever needed to know I learned in kindergarten" is a popular one, I just wonder how TRUE that statement is? Bob NP: Lenny Kravitz, "Billy Jack" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:07:59 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: War etc NJC Dear Colin: It is so nice to see you back. And what a man of quality you are to speak the truth and fess us to being a hypocrite. I would like to take you hand and stand beside you as a fellow hypocrite. You own and reveal your soul in the truest of Joni style. You have my move and admiration Colin. Much love and Peace.......Sharon colin wrote: > > Landmines have been banned because of the terrible cost to human life. > Yet cluster bombs, which are air dropped landmines are being dropped in > Afghanistan. Thes bombs are not accurate, and many of the bomblets do > not explode and lay around on the ground just like landmines. Hundreds > of people in what used to be Yugoslavia have been killed since the war > ended, killed by these air dropped landmines. > > Mack stated that the USA has done more good for the world than any > single nation. I do not know if that is true or not but would be > interested to read some examples. > > People are right-America is seen as bully in many parts of the world and > a country that does what it wants regradless. Granada, Vietnam, > Nicaragua and loads more. But then this is the only info we get fed via > the media. So we only get the bad stuff. > > I am glad people who think it is wrong to criticise their country are > not in power. > > Kakki's point about not being able to pigeonhole herlsef and her > political beliefs is a good one. I think that is how it should be. I > have no idea how mine would be classified. I have different views on > different thinsg. > > I am anti blood sports. > Iam anti war but I think Bin Laden and his henchmen should be destroyed, > meaning killed, as I think it is ethicsl to kill a person or person if > by doing so we save many many others. yet i think it ethically wrong to > kill.BUT I do not think bombing Afgahistan iis right. The killing of > the 10 year old son of the Taliban leader is not going to help us at > all. > > I am anti captial punsihment. > > I do not like the idea of abortion but it is not my business, or anyone > elses, what a woman does with her body. She is the only one entitled to > decide. > > I think adultery is wrong. I think people must decide for themselves how > to live their lives and accpet the consequences of their behaviour and > decsions. > > I think the capitalist system is wrong but am not clever enough to come > up with a different solution. the idea that we live in equal opportunity > soceites is bullshit. Meritocracies do not work and are biased against > those who lack intelligence, who may have illness, or disabilites or > whatever. i tend to think that wealth is wrong, that soem people cannot > eat daily and others have billions of pounds/dollars, several houses > etc. yet i'd love the money. hypocrite that I am. If I can outearn > otehrs becasue I am gifted or more clever why shouldn't i? yet I thin k > this way we run society is wrong and that we shouldn't be able to get > rich off the baxcks of others and shouldn't ignore the plight of those > who are less able. Hypocrite that I am. > > I don't think it is right for govt to tell me how to live my life and > interfere in it. I think it isw rong to legislate about sexual matters, > except for the protection of children. But I do support legislation that > does interfere in the lives of those preople like the National Front, > British National Party, here in the UK(KKK types). hypocrite that I am. > > I think racism is wrong but I am racist in subtle ways. I am not a > believer in the class system and think all are eqaul and should bet > reated as such but I look down on trailer trash, what we call common > people! I am against sexism yet tend to be prejudiced against my own > sex. I see men as dangerous. I think a woman should be free to do as she > please but cringe when I hear a woman has a one night stand or lots of > partners but do cringe when a man does so. > I despise the macho ethic, yet am often attracted to that type of man! > hypocrite that I am. > ( of course we all have experiences that colour these things, > upbringing, traumas etc, but it still a prejudice). > > Whilst I think it wrong to kill, like capital punishment, I do support > killing in some circumstances, like those stated earlier.Hypocrite that > I am. > > I am a pacifist by nature. But I would kill you if you were trying to > harm me and mine. I wouldn't just stand there and let you do it. Had I > been on that plane and had a chance to kill the hijackers, i would have. > Mind you I know I would have been so scared and distressed, I'd have > been useless. > > I strongly believe in 'thou shalt not kill' and yet I support > euthanaisia. > > I have watched porn. I have a negative attitude to those who make them > and star in them.I think 'how could you? what if your friends, family, > neighbours etc saw you? Hypocrite that I am. > > I think nudity is natural and nothing wrong with it. yet i think it not > good for women to display themselves on Page Three(a daily newsper thing > here-newspapers have a nude woman on Page Three) or in Playboy. yet > don't feel the same way when a man does it. hypocrite that I am. > > I think criminals should not be locked up so long and when they are > should be treated with dignity and respect and rehabilitaed rather than > punished. Yet i think anyone who absues a child should be in prison for > LIFE, emeaning life. It is a childs life we are playing with when we > decide these people are no longer a danger. > > So all in all, I hold comntradictory beliefs and am a hypocrite. Just > the same as everyone else. I also have no answers for the problems in > the world. It is easy to say, yes well, if we loved eachother and > followed such obviously correct principles as having positive regard for > ewacother then the world would be okay. Huh! If only! > > In the end we can only be honest with ourselves and grow the best we > can. > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > Passap 6000, Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:02:03 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Naming the Supremes Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:17:59 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Naming the Supremes njc In a message dated 10/25/01 9:34:54 PM, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << Who can name without pause <> the nine justices <> on the Supreme Court? >> Smurph wrote: <<>> There are only three, Dammit! Diana, Mary and Flo! It says so on the album cover! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:32:13 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Ben Folds & Ryan Adams RULE MY WORLD! (njc) I must come out of lurkdom to join the chorus for Ben Folds! My 17 year old son turned me on to him, quite by accident. I had heard him sing the praises of this Ben Folds Five group, but I of course paid no attention - what do these kids know about music, harumpphh. One day, as I surfed the internet I picked up the CD remote and just pushed play to see what was in the changer - I sometimes do this just to see what the young'ns are listening to. Sometimes I get Nsync, sometimes it's Metallica or Smashing Pumpkins or Radiohead or Pearl Jam or They Might Be Giants, depending on which kid has been listening most recently. (I have a 12 year old daughter as well who has very strange taste, Nsync AND Smashing Pumpkins, I'm a little worried about that girl). Anyway, this one day I pushed play and the most amazing music came on. After listening to a few songs I couldn't stand it anymore, I got up and took the CD out of the changer to find out who the hell it was. Then I hunted up the CD case to find out more. I cracked up when I found out that the "Five" was a trio. Great stuff - actual melodies, smart lyrics, and fabulous piano playing. I've only heard a couple things from Ben Folds' new solo project, but I'm going to get it for my son..for his birthday. There really is some good stuff out there if you look hard enough, and believe me I've started paying attention to what my son and his friends are listening to. (I should have known, they all like Neil Young.) But I still find Radiohead unlistenable, I guess I'm just too old. I also must check out this Ryan Adams person more completely. I keep hearing people raving about him, both on this list and on another music list I subscribe to. I've just heard a couple songs, and I like him, but he hasn't really blown my dress up, as my mother used to say. Sybil going back to lurking and deleting political/religious posts unread - more talk about sex please. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:49:21 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: War etc NJC > You have my move please don't make a move on me....... I like you Sharon, lots, but not in that way..... > and admiration > Colin. > > Much love and Peace.......Sharon > > > > colin wrote: > > > > Landmines have been banned because of the terrible cost to human life. > > Yet cluster bombs, which are air dropped landmines are being dropped in > > Afghanistan. Thes bombs are not accurate, and many of the bomblets do > > not explode and lay around on the ground just like landmines. Hundreds > > of people in what used to be Yugoslavia have been killed since the war > > ended, killed by these air dropped landmines. > > > > Mack stated that the USA has done more good for the world than any > > single nation. I do not know if that is true or not but would be > > interested to read some examples. > > > > People are right-America is seen as bully in many parts of the world and > > a country that does what it wants regradless. Granada, Vietnam, > > Nicaragua and loads more. But then this is the only info we get fed via > > the media. So we only get the bad stuff. > > > > I am glad people who think it is wrong to criticise their country are > > not in power. > > > > Kakki's point about not being able to pigeonhole herlsef and her > > political beliefs is a good one. I think that is how it should be. I > > have no idea how mine would be classified. I have different views on > > different thinsg. > > > > I am anti blood sports. > > Iam anti war but I think Bin Laden and his henchmen should be destroyed, > > meaning killed, as I think it is ethicsl to kill a person or person if > > by doing so we save many many others. yet i think it ethically wrong to > > kill.BUT I do not think bombing Afgahistan iis right. The killing of > > the 10 year old son of the Taliban leader is not going to help us at > > all. > > > > I am anti captial punsihment. > > > > I do not like the idea of abortion but it is not my business, or anyone > > elses, what a woman does with her body. She is the only one entitled to > > decide. > > > > I think adultery is wrong. I think people must decide for themselves how > > to live their lives and accpet the consequences of their behaviour and > > decsions. > > > > I think the capitalist system is wrong but am not clever enough to come > > up with a different solution. the idea that we live in equal opportunity > > soceites is bullshit. Meritocracies do not work and are biased against > > those who lack intelligence, who may have illness, or disabilites or > > whatever. i tend to think that wealth is wrong, that soem people cannot > > eat daily and others have billions of pounds/dollars, several houses > > etc. yet i'd love the money. hypocrite that I am. If I can outearn > > otehrs becasue I am gifted or more clever why shouldn't i? yet I thin k > > this way we run society is wrong and that we shouldn't be able to get > > rich off the baxcks of others and shouldn't ignore the plight of those > > who are less able. Hypocrite that I am. > > > > I don't think it is right for govt to tell me how to live my life and > > interfere in it. I think it isw rong to legislate about sexual matters, > > except for the protection of children. But I do support legislation that > > does interfere in the lives of those preople like the National Front, > > British National Party, here in the UK(KKK types). hypocrite that I am. > > > > I think racism is wrong but I am racist in subtle ways. I am not a > > believer in the class system and think all are eqaul and should bet > > reated as such but I look down on trailer trash, what we call common > > people! I am against sexism yet tend to be prejudiced against my own > > sex. I see men as dangerous. I think a woman should be free to do as she > > please but cringe when I hear a woman has a one night stand or lots of > > partners but do cringe when a man does so. > > I despise the macho ethic, yet am often attracted to that type of man! > > hypocrite that I am. > > ( of course we all have experiences that colour these things, > > upbringing, traumas etc, but it still a prejudice). > > > > Whilst I think it wrong to kill, like capital punishment, I do support > > killing in some circumstances, like those stated earlier.Hypocrite that > > I am. > > > > I am a pacifist by nature. But I would kill you if you were trying to > > harm me and mine. I wouldn't just stand there and let you do it. Had I > > been on that plane and had a chance to kill the hijackers, i would have. > > Mind you I know I would have been so scared and distressed, I'd have > > been useless. > > > > I strongly believe in 'thou shalt not kill' and yet I support > > euthanaisia. > > > > I have watched porn. I have a negative attitude to those who make them > > and star in them.I think 'how could you? what if your friends, family, > > neighbours etc saw you? Hypocrite that I am. > > > > I think nudity is natural and nothing wrong with it. yet i think it not > > good for women to display themselves on Page Three(a daily newsper thing > > here-newspapers have a nude woman on Page Three) or in Playboy. yet > > don't feel the same way when a man does it. hypocrite that I am. > > > > I think criminals should not be locked up so long and when they are > > should be treated with dignity and respect and rehabilitaed rather than > > punished. Yet i think anyone who absues a child should be in prison for > > LIFE, emeaning life. It is a childs life we are playing with when we > > decide these people are no longer a danger. > > > > So all in all, I hold comntradictory beliefs and am a hypocrite. Just > > the same as everyone else. I also have no answers for the problems in > > the world. It is easy to say, yes well, if we loved eachother and > > followed such obviously correct principles as having positive regard for > > ewacother then the world would be okay. Huh! If only! > > > > In the end we can only be honest with ourselves and grow the best we > > can. > > > > -- > > bw > > colin > > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > > Passap 6000, Duo80. > > > > colin@tantra-apso.com > > http://www.tantra-apso.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:46:31 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: War etc NJC LOL...I typed that puppy in a hurry and meant to say you have my love...LOL colin wrote: > > > You have my move > > please don't make a move on me....... > I like you Sharon, lots, but not in that way..... > > > and admiration > > Colin. > > > > Much love and Peace.......Sharon > > > > > > > > colin wrote: > > > > > > Landmines have been banned because of the terrible cost to human life. > > > Yet cluster bombs, which are air dropped landmines are being dropped in > > > Afghanistan. Thes bombs are not accurate, and many of the bomblets do > > > not explode and lay around on the ground just like landmines. Hundreds > > > of people in what used to be Yugoslavia have been killed since the war > > > ended, killed by these air dropped landmines. > > > > > > Mack stated that the USA has done more good for the world than any > > > single nation. I do not know if that is true or not but would be > > > interested to read some examples. > > > > > > People are right-America is seen as bully in many parts of the world and > > > a country that does what it wants regradless. Granada, Vietnam, > > > Nicaragua and loads more. But then this is the only info we get fed via > > > the media. So we only get the bad stuff. > > > > > > I am glad people who think it is wrong to criticise their country are > > > not in power. > > > > > > Kakki's point about not being able to pigeonhole herlsef and her > > > political beliefs is a good one. I think that is how it should be. I > > > have no idea how mine would be classified. I have different views on > > > different thinsg. > > > > > > I am anti blood sports. > > > Iam anti war but I think Bin Laden and his henchmen should be destroyed, > > > meaning killed, as I think it is ethicsl to kill a person or person if > > > by doing so we save many many others. yet i think it ethically wrong to > > > kill.BUT I do not think bombing Afgahistan iis right. The killing of > > > the 10 year old son of the Taliban leader is not going to help us at > > > all. > > > > > > I am anti captial punsihment. > > > > > > I do not like the idea of abortion but it is not my business, or anyone > > > elses, what a woman does with her body. She is the only one entitled to > > > decide. > > > > > > I think adultery is wrong. I think people must decide for themselves how > > > to live their lives and accpet the consequences of their behaviour and > > > decsions. > > > > > > I think the capitalist system is wrong but am not clever enough to come > > > up with a different solution. the idea that we live in equal opportunity > > > soceites is bullshit. Meritocracies do not work and are biased against > > > those who lack intelligence, who may have illness, or disabilites or > > > whatever. i tend to think that wealth is wrong, that soem people cannot > > > eat daily and others have billions of pounds/dollars, several houses > > > etc. yet i'd love the money. hypocrite that I am. If I can outearn > > > otehrs becasue I am gifted or more clever why shouldn't i? yet I thin k > > > this way we run society is wrong and that we shouldn't be able to get > > > rich off the baxcks of others and shouldn't ignore the plight of those > > > who are less able. Hypocrite that I am. > > > > > > I don't think it is right for govt to tell me how to live my life and > > > interfere in it. I think it isw rong to legislate about sexual matters, > > > except for the protection of children. But I do support legislation that > > > does interfere in the lives of those preople like the National Front, > > > British National Party, here in the UK(KKK types). hypocrite that I am. > > > > > > I think racism is wrong but I am racist in subtle ways. I am not a > > > believer in the class system and think all are eqaul and should bet > > > reated as such but I look down on trailer trash, what we call common > > > people! I am against sexism yet tend to be prejudiced against my own > > > sex. I see men as dangerous. I think a woman should be free to do as she > > > please but cringe when I hear a woman has a one night stand or lots of > > > partners but do cringe when a man does so. > > > I despise the macho ethic, yet am often attracted to that type of man! > > > hypocrite that I am. > > > ( of course we all have experiences that colour these things, > > > upbringing, traumas etc, but it still a prejudice). > > > > > > Whilst I think it wrong to kill, like capital punishment, I do support > > > killing in some circumstances, like those stated earlier.Hypocrite that > > > I am. > > > > > > I am a pacifist by nature. But I would kill you if you were trying to > > > harm me and mine. I wouldn't just stand there and let you do it. Had I > > > been on that plane and had a chance to kill the hijackers, i would have. > > > Mind you I know I would have been so scared and distressed, I'd have > > > been useless. > > > > > > I strongly believe in 'thou shalt not kill' and yet I support > > > euthanaisia. > > > > > > I have watched porn. I have a negative attitude to those who make them > > > and star in them.I think 'how could you? what if your friends, family, > > > neighbours etc saw you? Hypocrite that I am. > > > > > > I think nudity is natural and nothing wrong with it. yet i think it not > > > good for women to display themselves on Page Three(a daily newsper thing > > > here-newspapers have a nude woman on Page Three) or in Playboy. yet > > > don't feel the same way when a man does it. hypocrite that I am. > > > > > > I think criminals should not be locked up so long and when they are > > > should be treated with dignity and respect and rehabilitaed rather than > > > punished. Yet i think anyone who absues a child should be in prison for > > > LIFE, emeaning life. It is a childs life we are playing with when we > > > decide these people are no longer a danger. > > > > > > So all in all, I hold comntradictory beliefs and am a hypocrite. Just > > > the same as everyone else. I also have no answers for the problems in > > > the world. It is easy to say, yes well, if we loved eachother and > > > followed such obviously correct principles as having positive regard for > > > ewacother then the world would be okay. Huh! If only! > > > > > > In the end we can only be honest with ourselves and grow the best we > > > can. > > > > > > -- > > > bw > > > colin > > > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > > > Passap 6000, Duo80. > > > > > > colin@tantra-apso.com > > > http://www.tantra-apso.com > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap > 6000, Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:57:10 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: War etc NJC "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > LOL...I typed that puppy in a hurry and meant to say you have my > love...LOL I know, dear, I was just being me..... > > > colin wrote: > > > > > You have my move > > > > please don't make a move on me....... > > I like you Sharon, lots, but not in that way..... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:14:39 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Geriatric rockers..... NJC In a message dated 10/26/2001 12:31:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Anyone feeling their age now? >> You know things are looking bad when Mick Jagger starts looking better than Paul McCartney. I'm surprised at how badly Paul is aging. My heart throb! Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:19:19 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on Bravo??? In a message dated 10/25/2001 11:30:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, courtandspark@earthlink.net writes: > I saw the original post Walt and turned the station to Bravo but it wasn't > on here. Must have been a regional thing. > Actually, it wasn't regional, but it "was" very brief. I caught just about 10 minutes of it, and it was very good. Does anyone know anything about Bravo? Is it likely to be repeated? Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:34:54 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Naming the Supremes In a message dated 10/26/01 8:04:49 AM, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: << There are only three, Dammit! Diana, Mary and Flo! It says so on the album cover! >> What about Cindy Birdsong? --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:36:33 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Naming the Supremes Dearest Smurph, She was a meer replacement... Steve NPIMH: Come See About Me At 10:34 AM 10/26/01 EDT, you wrote: > >In a message dated 10/26/01 8:04:49 AM, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > ><< There are only three, Dammit! Diana, Mary and Flo! It says so on the album >cover! >> > >What about Cindy Birdsong? > > --Bob > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:38:56 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Geriatric rockers..... NJC > You know things are looking bad when Mick Jagger starts looking better than > Paul McCartney. I'm surprised at how badly Paul is aging. My heart throb! you are kidding right? Just saw Mr jagger on tv being interviewed and he looked awful-like a prune! > > > Terry > > www.addconsults.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:33:37 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Geriatric rockers..... NJC colleen wrote: > > You know things are looking bad when Mick Jagger starts looking better than > > Paul McCartney. I'm surprised at how badly Paul is aging. My heart throb! > > you are kidding right? Just saw Mr jagger on tv being interviewed and he looked > awful-like a prune! Ah. The old who's cuter and sexier Paul or Mica debate. Seems just like 1965 all over again. Methuselah ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:12:18 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Support for war effort Mack wrote: "> I can > only remember > three posters who have expressed support for the current actions > and that is > myself, Kakki, and one other poster." Mack: wrong, unless you're counting me as that one (and Deb Messling has already volunteered to take that spot!). I wrote on-list that I am not a pacifist, and that I support our right to defend our country after the September 11 attacks, which to me, includes the use of military force. I did state that the "jury was still out" on the efficacy of military force against organized terrorism, but that question is simply one of twenty-first century warfare, and will come up again and again, I suspect, no matter who the combatants are. I certainly never said that we should not be using military force now. As Kakki reminded us yesterday, I think it's important not to assume we know all of someone's opinions based on the sharing of a few. Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:23:52 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: RE: support for war effort SORRY, joni-onlies: that should have been NJC. My apologies, Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:01:01 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Geriatric rockers..... NJC in 65 i was 7. I have never fancied either of them! But I was shcoked to see how Jagger looked. Mind you, I no longer look like a spring chicken either! by the way, my name is colin. please remember that. Jerry Notaro wrote: > colleen wrote: > > > > You know things are looking bad when Mick Jagger starts looking better than > > > Paul McCartney. I'm surprised at how badly Paul is aging. My heart throb! > > > > you are kidding right? Just saw Mr jagger on tv being interviewed and he looked > > awful-like a prune! > > Ah. The old who's cuter and sexier Paul or Mica debate. Seems just like 1965 all > over again. > > Methuselah - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:04:13 +0100 From: colin Subject: joy, joy, joy, joy NJC A knitting email friend just gave birth to quads! Imagine 4 bundles of joy at one time! They'll take a lot of running around after-when she can walk again...... - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:56:21 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Flag story (njc) Hi, all, Almost caught up now with the digests. Following the flags-on-campus stuff. My partner, Robert, takes Spanish at night at one of the City College extensions. One night shortly after the attack, his teacher (who is a dentist by day) told the class that the back window on his car had been smashed while he was parked in the Noe Valley neighborhood, and that since the only thing that had been taken was the flag that he had displayed on the back shelfy thingy (is there a word for that?), he assumed that it was either someone who *really* wanted a flag, or (more likely, in his opinion) someone expressing very strongly an antipathy towards his *displaying* it. Disgusting either way. warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:03:33 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Pro-American, JMDL? (NJC) Responding to Brenda's post about being or not being anti-American, Mack wrote: "I would disagree. The consistent and relentless postings here about the United States, both present and past, in the negative, I feel, are anti-american. They are most certainly not pro-american. Not supportive of the actions we are taking and, for that matter, have seen little to any support for anything that the United States has ever done. The constant barrage about what bullies we are in the world scope, our dastardly and covert behavior around the globe are most certainly anti-american sentiments. I have seen posts here that pretty much run the gamut worldwide pertaining to all the areas where the U.S. has been wrong and very little to say that we are a fine country that, regardless of the mistakes that we have made, that has done more good for this world than any country that has ever existed. I see nothing wrong with criticizing the government if we are trying to make it better and working within to do so but I see no difference between many of the attitudes expressed here and those of many people in foreign countries; and they are most clearly anti-american." Mack, you didn't mention any names in this post. You certainly didn't mention mine. However, since I wrote some of the most detailed posts about actions the U.S. has taken in the past that have been, in my opinion, questionable, I can't help but assume that your words were directed, at least in part, to me. And there are a number of ways in which I could respond. I could repeat what Brenda has already stated very eloquently: that criticizing *some* of America's actions is not anti-American, and can exemplify the best of what it means to BE an American (I paraphrase). I could react angrily, especially to your assumption that those rendering the criticism are not doing anything about making the country a better place, relating to you how I volunteered one full year of my life assisting indigent clients in a legal aid clinic as a paralegal; how I've voted, and encouraged others to vote, and written to elected officials from my congressmen and -women to the President himself, and read extensively on possible political options, and composed opinion pieces, and volunteered to do grunt work in political campaigns, and engaged in a whole gamut of other actions that I fully hoped, at the time, were helping to "make the country a better place." Or, perhaps most temptingly, I could throw my hands up in the air and stop writing at all. Instead, though, I find myself returning to criticisms of the so-called "self-esteem movement" that many, including though not limited to some prominent conservatives, leveled against the educational establishment some years ago. We're getting soft with our kids, they warned with urgency. Instead of showing them where they're going wrong when they go wrong, or showing them "tough love," or helping them to be everything they could become, we're handing them compliments and warm fuzzies that are meaningless in their vagueness, while giving them NO hint of the responsible, caring behavior they'll need to master to become fully mature adults. Exactly. My country deserves much praise. I thought I had given it that, and if that somehow didn't come through, I do so again. But at least in some instances, I won't give it warm fuzzies that it simply doesn't deserve, for behavior I firmly believe it can improve. And I find myself returning to that beautiful story about Joni and Mr. Kratzman relayed by Ashara just a few digests ago. Joni--JONI MITCHELL, as she was to become!!--received an A- on a poem, while another student was given an A+ for work that well may have been "inferior," from a purely objective standpoint. Mr. Kratzman's wise and wonderful explanation? "That was the best poem that boy will ever write," he said. The implicit message to Joni? You, with your incredible talent, can do better. And she could. And she did. My country has done some good work. It has not written its best poem yet. But it has a depth of talent and possibility the world may never have seen before. And I have every confidence that, with time, and with our patience, and yes, with deep understanding of the mishaps it has sometimes engaged in during the eventful first 225 years of its existence, it can, and it will. Mary P. (originally composed 10/25/01 at about 11 p.m. CDT; just making it to the list now, with some minor editing, due to my technical naiveti). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:06:17 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Ben Folds (njc) Sue wrote: >It was Ben Folds Five, referring to the front man whose name is Ben Folds, and his group of four. - --I think there were/are only three of them, including Ben himself, although they use session players, of course. The "five" was part of their sardonic humor. >They had a hit single a few years back with "Brick". Since then he has dropped the group and is now just Ben Folds. - -- "Brick" still reduces me to tears; saw the video by accident on VH1 while I was channel surfing a couple of years or so ago, and went right out and bought the album (whatever&ever amen). Didn't know they'd dropped the "five"-- did he really go solo, or is he still working with the other two guys who were on all the other albums? Can't wait to but the new one -- I've heard only good about it. warmly, walt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:14:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Ben Folds (njc) <> He really went solo...Ben plays the bass parts & drum parts too. There are a couple of other participants in the recording, but not his former bandmates. Sure does sound like them though... My son asked me how he could play all those instruments at the same time! :~) Bob NP: Gourds, "I Like Drinking" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #519 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?