From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #511 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 511 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Solomon Asch Center NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: For Richard Thompson fans in the US (njc) [dsk ] Subject: Re: Subject: marxist teachers in the US? (njc) ["Kate Bennett" <] Re: For Richard Thompson fans in the US (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Playing in the band (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Brian Gross ] October 24th!! ["Stephen Epstein" ] A Few Notes From the Harbourfront Hommage [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: October 24th!! ["Kakki" ] Re: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Toronto Tribute ["Kakki" ] RE: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Solomon Asch Center NJC Thought I would post a link to the Solomon Asch Center for the study of Ethnopolitical Conflict since I was interested in learning more about what they are http://www.psych.upenn.edu/sacsec/. Also the letter writer FRANCISCO GIL-WHITE has a homepage which is http://www.psych.upenn.edu/~fjgil/ . He has posted his letter to Nightline (with links) & another followup letter. It appears that his nightline letter was written a few weeks ago: http://www.psych.upenn.edu/~fjgil/US%20foreign%20policy.html In addition his other studies, he also studied at Boston's New England Conservatory of Music. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:51:38 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: For Richard Thompson fans in the US (njc) RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > > Very masterful guitar player, I might add. Here's to another Richard Thompson > convert! Well, that's great to hear! He's been making music for about 30 years now, so there's a lot to choose from, some of it sounding traditionally folkie and much of it unclassifiable. Even from the start, his guitar playing was unique. In concert it's amazing the way he usually sounds like three guitar players, and then he sings and tells goofy stories too, all very graciously. What a guy!!! And how come everyone in the country it seems has seen this show already, before New Yorkers?! That's backwards, isn't it? Hmmmm, glad to read the good reviews at any rate. Debra Shea in NYC, which, yes, I do obnoxiously consider the center of the universe > Sherelle > > In a message dated 10/22/2001 9:14:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com > writes: > > > Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 23:37:21 -0400 > > From: dsk > > Subject: For Richard Thompson fans in U.S. NJC > > > > Richard Thompson will be on the tv show "Austin City Limits" this Friday > > night, October 26 at midnight (officially October 27) in NYC on Channel > > 21 WLIW. It may be showing at another time and on another PBS station in > > other areas. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:54:52 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: marxist teachers in the US? (njc) In a message dated 10/23/01 9:45:41 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Back in my day they called themselves "Marxists" and were very open about proclaiming that politcal label. >> *Back in my day*!?! Please, Kakki! Hold off on using that phrase for at least another 30 or 40 years! Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:09:21 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: on a lighter note. . . (SortaJC) Hi Bob, John Kelly's at Fez five Saturday nights starting October 20. No word yet from anyone who's seen him and I haven't seen any articles in any of the papers either. I'll keep a lookout for reviews. Tentative plans are in the works to see him sometime in November, so there will probably be a report about it then. Debra Shea Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > There was talk here and there on the list over the past couple of months > about John Kelly performing a new salute to Joni "Shiny Hot Nights" in NYC in > October. Has that happened yet? Did anyone from the list see his performance? > > Thanks, > > --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:44:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Subject: marxist teachers in the US? (njc) LOL. Good one, glad to see the smilie & I PROMISE you will get an A on this one! >>>You're right. For me to come up with the substantial evidence is going to take a substantial amount of time. However, I will work on it in my free time and get the paper back to you sometime before the end of the term ;-) Kakki<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:11:10 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: For Richard Thompson fans in the US (njc) Dear Deb, That's what I forgot! I remember being very amazed that he only had a bass player and a drummer on stage with him. The sounds coming from his guitar were incredible and I have to agree with you, he sounds like three guitars playing at the same time. I was blown away! Sherelle In a message dated 10/23/2001 8:44:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > Even from the start, his guitar > playing was unique. In concert it's amazing the way he usually sounds > like three guitar players, and then he sings and tells goofy stories > too, all very graciously. What a guy!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:15:09 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Playing in the band (njc) Dear Victor, Congratulations! I am very excited for you! I love when things like this happen for people! I hope bigger things open up for you! Sherelle In a message dated 10/23/2001 8:39:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Got a gig playing keyboards with a Grateful Dead cover band, Cosmic Charlie. > We'll be doing three shows in North Carolina this weekend. It's kind of a > spur of the moment thing but I think it will be alot of fun and a wonderful > opportunity, and I can honestly use the work. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S MAGS' BIRTHDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss She is the love of my life and today I would like her to know just how special she is to me and to all of us. Happy Birthday Sweetie love, Brei xoxox ===== After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:14:25 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: And the Oscar goes to JMDL In a message dated 10/23/01 3:32:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, groovchacha@yahoo.com writes: << Couldn't Joni play her own mother after all she says to Sharon "we look like our mother's did back when we were those kids age." >> I vote for Joni playing herself. It would be much better than that whacked out idea she had about playing herself in Northern Exposure (or was it Twin Peaks?). With the right camera angles and lighting she can still pull of a mean Joni of yesteryear. After all, I just heard (definitely) off record that Diana Ross is playing herself in a HBO Diana Ross biopic. Hope it's more successful than the Return To Love tour! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:21:03 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: And the Oscar goes to JMDL (NJC) In a message dated 10/23/01 6:59:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Personally I think Lisa Kudrow would make a very good SERIOUS Joni as well. She is a talented actress - comedy is not necessarily easier than drama. >> Right on, Hell! I thought Kudrow was amazing in Opposite of Sex. If you haven't seen it - do. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:25:40 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY MAGS! It was a treat to meet you in Toronto! You too Brian - if ever so briefly! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:30:07 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Peter Gabriel (NJC) If there are any Peter Gabriel fans out there. I picked up, by accident, a small postcard advertising his global celebration (similar to the Joni Tribute I attended last Tuesday night) to be held in Toronto tonight! It goes to the first of you who are desirous and respond privately, of course, to this email. PS to Bob M: Jane is at this one as well.... No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:39:27 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Toronto Tribute Hi all! I am still reeling a bit from the events of last weekend- wonderful, surreal, magical- a night I will never forget! Firstly, let me talk about the "unveiling" of Joni's "star". I had second thoughts about attending this event- having just met Joni a few weeks ago with Kakki, I was concerned about her perhaps recognizing me and thinking I might be a stalker! But, of course, I went, and glad I did! There were barricades around and behind the seating area for family, friends, and dignitaries- but we were still pretty close. Ashara, Sal and I were there 3/4's of an hour beforehand, so we were right up against the barricade- great view. The details of the ceremony have been posted already by others. There were probably not more than 200 people there- thought there might have been more. And we were all there! Jimmy, Coyote Rick, Janine, Lisa, Yael, Jim Johanson- so great that you were there Jim! Quite a meeting of family it was. Lots of hugs! Joni and Margaret Atwood arrive after the family and friends were seated. Larry Klein, Kilauren, her two children, her biological father, director Norman Jewison and David Cronenberg, the mayor of Toronto, Ed Mirvish who owns the Royal Alexander Theatre where this was held- and a HUGE patron of the arts in Toronto for decades....... many more- most I didn't recognize, Jimmy and Rick pointed out that a couple of singers from the musical tribute a few nights before were there. Joni looked fabulous! A floor-length dress in plaids of blue, green, brown, with a jacket overtop and a black beret! Too cool! She spoke so eloquently, as has been reported. Her comments about people stepping over her star and stopping for a moment of pause, were lovely. Don't let your dog shit there, and don't spit on it! LOL! She is too brilliantly funny. Think about someone you love. How sweet! Later in the day, Ashara, Sal, Jim and I taxied to the venue. It took some time to find the right place! And poor Jim realised he had left his ticket in his hotel room! ACK! He returned a while later, so cool, calm and collected! The venue was wonderful. A beautiful renovation of a huge building that had been vacant for years. Tastefully done. We were shown around the venue, and given instructions on the do's and dont's in terms of photography, etc. The doors were opened and in we went to the cocktail reception. Martini's provided by Absolute, no charge. Finger food on trays walking around. I was at one point, out in the courtyard having a smoke with my friend Barbara, and all of a sudden Joni is walking towards us with her entourage. We had to move out of the way to let her pass. I must say the security was extremely well handled. Ushered in, ushered out, no pics during dinner- I'm sure the same level as was provided for all other honorees at this tribute. JOni made a short appearance at the cocktail reception and then was ushered out the back door. Shortly thereafter, I run into the Russian! Mr. Klein. I ask for a couple of pics, which he obliged. He is tall! Man! I would think at least 6'3" as I had to tilt the lens upwards. He seemed out of sorts, and I asked if he was looking for Joni. Of course he was, and I directed him towards the door she left thru. My personal hunch- he and Joni will get back together! Dinner was fabulous, as so nicely posted by Ashara. The actual theatre venue was extraordinarily unique. A long narrow room- maybe 300 feet long. A thin but lengthy stage in the middle that went from one wall to about 4 feet from the other. Seats on the floor either side, and then rising seats behind. The stage was beautiful. A piano, and a long length of Chinese golden bells and such. Two German designed chairs in white mesh were at the other end of the stage, with a small table between, and on it a Boise player and 2 speakers. All that proceeded Joni's appearance has been well posted by Mags and Ashara. This Rebecca Jenkins has an incredible voice. She is an actor by trade, but what a singer! Her version of Blue had Joni standing and giving her a solo standing ovation! And then she sang a version of Two Grey Rooms that had many of us in tears. Brent Carver, as well, an actor- Shakespearean- sang a number of Joni's tunes. Joni arrived on-stage and looking and feeling radiant! I truly believe this event affected her. As has been posted, this was VERY much a family reconvening for her! Well, Denise Donlan from Sony Records, played the interviewer role. But we all know, all one needs to do is just ask Joni that one correct question, and she will talk! Denise is the wife of Murray McGlaughlin, a Canadian folksinger of the Bruce Cockburn era. She was good, but I felt a bit too rehearsed contrasted with Joni's openess and free form conversation. Talk about repetism! Many of the things she and Kakki and I talked about a few weeks ago were chatted about- break-up w/Donald, the events of Sept 11th and how she was affected, painting...... The audience was enraptured, self included! Then she gets up and goes to the piano!!! I thought I had died and gone to the other world! Very Paprika Plains-ish- no singing, just wonderful improvisation. Following, she played the demos from the upcoming album by the London Symphony and sang along. What an absolute incredible treat! She said she was practicing! And, indeed, it felt, from my first row seat, as if we were in someones living room and Joni serenading us! Absolutely remarkable! There has been much comment on this list of Joni's failing voice- BSN was not a thrilling album for some of us. Let me tell you, her voice is in incredible shape! Truly wonderful. I cannot tell you in words, how wonderful it was to hear Circle Game, Cherokee Louise and all the rest, in their new form. This upcoming release can only be incredible- please trust me on this! She is at the top of her game! Perhaps the crowning glory of the evening was having Mr. Kratzman arrive onstage. Big hugs between the two of them. He is a gentleman, articulate, loving and kind and far younger looking that I thought was possible! Joni was in tears, as was most of the audience. It was a loving tribute from him, to her! The next afternoon, Saturday, Ashara, Sal, Mags, Brian, Jim, Steve and I were walking along Queen ST. West- Toronto's funkiest area. A guy comes up to us and says, Hey, I recognise you, you were at the Tribute last night! He is a young lawyer from Conn. Found out about the tribute from jonimitchell.com! Decided he had to come! It was brilliant! He was so in awe of the night before, and that he had just met a group of like-minded people! He had a personal moment w/Joni @ the tribute and shared with us. Needless to say, we encouraged him to join the JMDL- he was thrilled to meet our webmaster Jim! I was happy to see that we had made another convert! He was a wild young guy, full of energy. Lots of hugs between us all- someone we just met, but felt at home with. That's how this list is wonderful. Best Stephen in Vancouver NP: Simon and Garfunkle- live @ Hollywood Bowl, 1968- thanks Kakki!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:07:54 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: October 24th!! My dearest Mags! Today is your birthday. A very special day, as you entered into life- our lives! You are an amazing wonderful woman, and I am so honored to have you as a sister and friend. You give so much from the heart. And your calming presence has a wonderful influence on this list and all it's members. Do enjoy your special day, and I trust it will be one! I am happy for you that you can spend it with Brian. Have fun, relax and enjoy! Love you, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:13:08 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: A Few Notes From the Harbourfront Hommage My gosh. Giant happy thanks to our own JJ at JM.com, Ashara, Jimmy, and Mags for their eloquent posts and JM.com entries about the Hommage. You guys did a great job in giving the list the details and your personal experiences. I am still waiting for the rest of you! Okay, Brian, Stephen, Steve (and you gorgeous lurker you, Julius) -- fess up! In terms of my experience, I have a few smallish items to report. No one mentioned Joni saying she was working on her book! Did I imagine this or did I hear this right? Maybe that's why Karen's book in unauthorized? (Note: My copy was awaiting me on my return). Maybe someone who has a permanent recollection (I am certain someone out there has one of these?) of the Hommage can do some research. I swear I heard her say she was working on her book. Please someone assure me I am not going crazy (El Coyote feeling somewhat insecure after his earlier inaccurate Teena Marie post -- especially in this group of experts). I also just have to mention my new girlfriend, Janine Sherman. She sat right next to me -- right behind Joni (I was behind Klein). This poor girl (yeah, right!) was so moved by our whole experience it warmed me to the depths of my soul. Yeah, Janine, so you sang a little, but you can hold my hand anyday, anywhere. You looked so pretty inside and all dressed up, making my Joni experience even more exciting. You gotta tell people that you have Joni's sticker! Now, about Ms. Mitchell. As I have told my non-Joni friends and family, Friday night was like being in her living room. The way she fiddled with the BoomBox, looked to Klein for help (and I was right in eye shot of that), and sang from her soul. This was totally unrehearsed Joni magic. Someone (maybe my sistah, Jimmy) said it must have been like being at PWWAM, I would have to argue it may have been even better. This was Joni unplugged - Joni creating. Kakki has often mentioned the Cafe Les Deux here in Hollywood. I hear Joni liked to try out new material on the cafe's intimate audience. Never saw it happen and I live two miles away. Well, folks, to me, that's what we saw and heard, and I traveled thousands of miles to see it. Regrets? You gotta be kidding. For a guy that came on late to following her career this closely, I can say it was the experience of a lifetime for a Joni fan. And she sang my song. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:03:03 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: October 24th!! Happiest of birthdays dear Mags!!! Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:14:44 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Birthday Mags!!!!! rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:09:03 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Toronto Tribute What a sweet report, Stephen! I'm just so happy for all of you who could be at such an incredible event! Maybe it's good I didn't go - I probably would have been loudly hyperventilating when she took to the piano and started up the bit of Paprika Plains! I was surprised that my mother had remembered the event was coming up and called me for a full report on Saturday. She started choking up when I told her the story of Mr. Kratzman. It sounds like you all had such a stunning time. These Joni events always seem to be unfailingly incredible and fantastic for the jmdlers. Oh, and did she say anything about Coco?? ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 03:46:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: October 24 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! happy birthday magsie!!!!! wah ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 02:48:13 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: David Crosby (NJC) So, I was telling Jimmy I would never post this -- but look what I am doing. No one will believe this and I don't blame you -- it's just too damn weird. Imagine this. I was standing in the line for first class passengers (thank God for frequent flyer points -- especially these days of gruesome, long lines) at LAX Thursday morning, October 12, ready to leave for Toronto. It was about 9AM. When I first walked in the door, which is just in front of the first class line, I thought I saw David Crosby at the ticket counter. Well, it was him. I was about the fifteenth person in line. He had a large group with him, including someone who seemed to be a guard, or manager, or something. The latter was making apologies for how long they were at the counter for those of us waiting in line. We were moving, thanks to United's opening of another station. I kept getting closer and closer -- more and more excited to be that close to someone I admired. Here's the killer. I had his autobiography (in hardcover) in my carry-on. I was waiting for Karen's book to arrive, thinking I would take it to Toronto for the whole Joni experience -- get it? Well, it didn't, so I took David's thinking it was at least SJC. I've had his book for years, but never read it. So, I calmly pulled out a pen, hoping to ask him to sign my book -- if only I got close enough. Line moving slowly. His entourage was having some problems so, to my delight, they remained at the counter as I moved closer and closer. Security is tight and there is no way I can make it through the plastic ropes to go up to him -- especially risking being thought a stalker. My dream is to get to the counter just next to him and say, "Hey David, canya sign my book?" I thought he would be as blown away as I was. Didn't happen. His arrangements were made and I was still four people behind. As God is my witness, this is the truth. Maybe our Kate can someday verify he was in the airport that same day. At least Jimmy can testify that I did have the book. I read it to him often in our *swanky* Toronto apartment. By the way, Kate - you gotta get this signed for me! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #511 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?