From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #503 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 503 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JONI-in the LA Times [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: where I'm coming from NJC (shortish) ["Kakki" ] Re: JONI-in the LA Times [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: DCC 24 kt gold Court & Spark, njc ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Re: New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine ["Kakki" ] Re: Teena Marie njc [jan ] It's All Over Now Baby Blue(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 1 (LONG!!) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 2 [AsharaJM@aol.com] More on Joni painting ["Kakki" ] RE: for Anne and you all njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 3 [AsharaJM@aol.com] ACK!!!!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] ashes!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] NJC Louie Louie, etc etc [Vince Lavieri ] Re: [Bobsart48@aol.com] NJC Louie Louie, redux [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni and Jazz [RobSher50@aol.com] RE: [M.Russell@iaea.org] sig line njc ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:33:18 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI-in the LA Times In a message dated 10/21/01 9:29:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kammass@aol.com writes: > Hey if your interested in purchasing the newspaper. I just found out that > Barnes and Nobles carries the LA Times and they get Sundays issue on > Monday. > If you have Barnes and Nobles in your area that is. > Kammy > I read the Hilburn article online at the LA Times site, and while it is an interesting read from Hilburn, there is NO mention of Joni in the article. I thought I'd save some of you Joni fanatics some time, if all you sere looking for was a mention of Ms. Mitchell in the article. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 18:40:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: where I'm coming from NJC (shortish) Mike, I'll only respond to this which I felt was an undair or perfhaps misinterpreted response to me: > I said that I found it a little harder to believe that >the Irish Americans were 'not savvy', or 'not >educated enough' to have heard of NORAID. This >is an insulting and stereotypical view of the Irish, as >is your use of 'naive' or 'soft-hearted' in other >places. How you can construe that to be "stereotypical and insulting" escapes me. I have no problem at all calling myself not savvy and educated enough about many subjects including this one. Calling someone "softhearted" I consider a compliment and high praise. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:39:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Last Call for Anne Hi all, just a quick note to say that I'll be closing out Anne's CD and mailing it to her on Tuesday. So you've got til Monday night to get a message to her (through me.) You can call me at 864-233-7584, at your convenience. ANY TIME!! The ringer is off so I won't hear the ringing. If you've sent or left a message and want to be sure I have yours, feel free to ask me. Bob NP: Kevin Gilbert, "Ghetto of Beautiful Things" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:00:33 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JONI-in the LA Times Geez Paul it was never about an article - it was about her Sept. 11th paintings being featured with the article. I see the LA Times online does not show the paintings. I'm scanning them now and will have a link to them shortly. Kakki > I read the Hilburn article online at the LA Times site, and while it is an interesting read from Hilburn, there is NO mention of Joni in the article. > I thought I'd save some of you Joni fanatics some time, if all you sere > looking for was a mention of Ms. Mitchell in the article. > > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:08:12 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI-in the LA Times In a message dated 10/21/01 10:03:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > . I see the LA Times online does > not show the paintings. I'm scanning them now and will have a link to them > shortly. Kakki > > Kakki Bless your sweet heart. I'm at the LA times official site right now, but they don't show the paintings online;~) I was told by a fellow NJ Joni buddy, that Borders carries the LA times as well. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 22:35:29 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Re: DCC 24 kt gold Court & Spark, njc Hey Mark! Congratulations on getting the "goose bump experience". To me, that's worth $20USD. Congratulations especially since you now have found a *favorite* version that works for you and it goes back onto your shelf- perfect! How many perfect $20 meals to you get to enjoy again free?! (Sorry about the imagery.) Jim Mark said, I found a 24 kt gold DCC cd of 'Court & Spark' at Circuit City for $20.99. Today I think I finally was able to relive that 'goose bump experience'. The beauty of this record came so clearly through those speakers today and it made me remember how much I love it from beginning to end. So JMDL audiophiles! I want to know what your opinions are of the gold DCC 'Court & Spark'. Did I get a good deal? Or would you have put the cd back in the bin & walked away? After listening to it this afternoon, I don't have any regrets but I am interested in the opinions of those who know more about what to listen for than I do. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:52:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes I've put a link to the paintings below. I have to say that I was very impressed by them, more than I expected to be. You have to look at them a bit to really see everything. There is a face of tragedy in the smoke coming from WTC 1 and a face very similar to Bin Laden (look for the turban) in the fire coming out of WTC 2. The painting from her bedroom is very dreamlike and the book looked to me to be like a bible, but with a Red Cross and the title "NEWS" on the cover. Very interesting. She always amazes me at how prolific she can be (short turnaround time between event, inspiration and creation). She told Stephen and I that she did these paintings right after Sept. 11th. They are very well done. I'm sorry my scan job isn't so great and you might notice that one of them ripped as I was putting it through the scanner! I hope you all can get a copy of this - it is well worth it. To hopefully clarify why there may not have been commentary from Joni in the Hilburn article - his article is one of several written by the LA Times various critics in Drama, Dance, Art, Film, Theater, Television, Architecture, Classical Music and Pop Music. All of those articles are accompanied by art work in various media done by local LA artists. They don't really "go" with the articles, except to be other expressions of Sept. 11th. Would love to hear more from Joni on the subject in an interview soon. I hear she did talk about this at the Toronto tribute, so hopefully our roving (and missing) reporters will fill us in soon ;-) Kakki http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1481388&a=13900367 If you use AOL, use this link to see the photos. Click here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:04:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: New Joni Paintings in Sunday L.A. Times Magazine Phyliss, I'm so glad you caught the notice (thanks Scott!) and got a copy! I had to drive around to get a few extra copies myself and bought out a mini-mart's last 5 for people who had asked me to pick them up previously. The guy at the store looked at me quizzically as I was just pulling only the magazines out and handing him back the fat papers. He said "did you write an article or something?" I said "noo, an artist I really like has some paintings in here." ;-) Thanks for including Joni's caption (below) " I laid {my photos} out, two of a kind, and I was just playing around with the images absent-mindedly when I realized that by putting them edge to edge that a repetitive pattern occurred. So I started this series of paintings which I call 'Repetism.' They represent the fact that the world on Sept. 11 turned upside down." Musician Joni Mitchell, explaining her images of the World Trade Center in flames and the comforting view from her bedroom window. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:16:09 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: Songs with "Fuck" in the lyrics NJC >> What ARE the lyrics, apart from "Loo-eh, loo-eye, whoa >> baby, we gotta go?" I got these from http://lyrics.coolfreepages.com. I believe that it is an urban myth that Louie Louie contained swear words, at least in the Kingsmen's version. Perhaps the 1950's "race music" lyrics were raunchier? Louie Louie The Kingsmen (Music and Lyrics by Richard Berry) Louie Louie, oh no Me gotta go Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said Louie Louie, oh baby Me gotta go Fine little girl waits for me Catch a ship across the sea Sail that ship about, all alone Never know if I make it home CHORUS Three nights and days I sail the sea Think of girl, constantly On that ship, I dream she's there I smell the rose in her hair. CHORUS Okay, let's give it to 'em, right now! GUITAR SOLO See Jamaica, the moon above It won't be long, me see me love Take her in my arms again Tell her I'll never leave again CHORUS Let's take it on outa here now Let's go!! Notes : Performed by "Chuck Berry" (1955). There are more than 1000 interpretations ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 20:59:17 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: Teena Marie njc (snip) >I remember a Teena Marie from the 70's who had a hit record with "Lover >Girl". That is the first and last I heard of her. >Mack She also had a pretty good funk-pop song called 'Square Biz'. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:31:43 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: It's All Over Now Baby Blue(njc) Braves were just knocked out of the post season tonight by the Arizona Diamondbacks, final score 3-2, series 4-1. Disappointing of course, but I have to admire the Braves for sticking it out this year and even making it to the National League Championship Series, in what was a very disjointed year, with lots of injuries and reformations. Well, there's always next year. And if the Mariners can knock the Yankees out that would be a small consolation. Victor in Athens Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:37:41 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni Sept. 11th paintings in LA TImes They are very well done. I'm sorry my scan job isn't so great > and you might notice that one of them ripped as I was putting it through the > scanner! I hope you all can get a copy of this - it is well > worth it. Kakki, Thanks for the alert! After trying both Borders and Barnes and Noble and finding that they don't carry it, I called Joe Muggs Newstand in Atlanta who carries most major cities and they agreed to hold one for me tomorrow when they come in. Now I just have to figure out how to get down there to pick it up in the next two days. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:28:07 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: for Anne and you all I just returned from a weekend in the Twin Cities, need to go for church business, had to do some bishop things, and last Friday night had dinner with a family that had a home worship/family gathering, three generations, everyone very involved, and it was very meaningful to be a part of that loving and singing family, and we had these songbooks that were made maybe 10-20 years ago and a lot of Christian folk songs and camp songs and such and the family plans on about an hour or so of family singing every Friday night - and lo and behold! there as one secular song in the songbook, one non religious song, so of course I had to request it: Both Sides Now and while we sang it, I thought especially of Anne and of Ashara and of so many others here as I could name names in my silent prayers, and I prayed for all of you, because to sing a Joni song when I am far away from home reminds me of the community, the family, that we have here - I remember Terry playing and everyone especially Yael singing in Birmingham for Joni Pine Knob 2000 and maybe that made this sing along last Friday remind me of you all - so anyway I was thinking of you, I sang for you, and the vibe of that moment told me that everything is going to be just fine for Anne - if I weren't so tired I would have written this better (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:34:40 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 1 (LONG!!) This review took AGES, because, as many of you know, I can't type to save my life, but I hope you enjoy this description of our night. I wish you could have ALL been there with us!! Hugs, Ashara - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We arrived at the Liberty Grand, a large stately building,to see a very large banner in front announcing what was in store for us thatevening: An Homage to Joni Mitchell as part of the 6-week long World LeadersFestival. The evening began with cocktails, and Joni made a short appearanceduring the hour. Then a wonderful sit down dinner of Elderflower Cured AtlanticSalmon, Pecan Crusted Yukon Caribou with Saskatoon Berries, Goat Cheese andButternut Squash, and a delicious White Chocolate Cheesecake with BlueberryCassis Sauce. Executive Chef, Anthony Walsh from Canoe Restaurant and Barwanted to capture the brilliance of this country through the flavors andtextures of regional cuisine. He even had a substitute for this vegetariandiner! As we made our way into the theater, it quickly becameapparent that this would be a very interesting venue, with the stage in thecenter and seats to either side of it. Not a traditional theater nor theater inthe round, it would be curious to see how this would work for the audience. The darkened stage started to glow a soft blue as Both SidesNow was played by the band, which consisted of a piano player, a cellist, andtwo other musicians that were playing Indian type drums, bells, and axylophone. Brent Carver, Ann Marie McDonald, and Rebecca Jenkins came out toguide the audience through a multi-sensory evening consisting of liveperformances, media clips, and special presentations by many of Jonibs friendsand influences. Brent painted the scene with a narrative of Joan Andersonbsearly life on the prairie, while the cellist accompanied him with a softversion of Both Sides Now underneath, and the two large monitors above wentthrough a slide show of Joan as a young girl. Of course, he mentions a hugeinfluence of Joanbs, Mr. Kratzman, who told her, bIf you can paint with abrush, you can paint with words.b Next, Brent sang a beautiful version of Nightin the City. More anecdotal stories, such as her Grade 4 report cardsaying, bOriginal ideas with a gift of interpretation.b And another Mr.Kratzman piece of advice, to bwrite in your own blood.b This was followed byseveral of Jonibs poems including bThe Fishbowlb and bI Am a Guitar.b Whilelistening to these poems, we were treated to a slide show of many of Jonibs earlyfelt-tip pen drawings on the monitors, including many that are in the bookbStar Art.b Gordon Lightfoot was next invited to the stage to talk aboutthe early days, when Joni was first getting started in the music business. Hebrought us back to Detroit in 1965, when Joan and Chuck Mitchell were playingat the Chess Mate. He reminisced about being invited up to their apartment, andhaving to walk up 5 flights of stairs carrying guitars. He knew even then thatshe was a quality songwriter. He also talked about the Beatles coming onto thescene, and how every time they each had a new album to promote, there was a newBeatles album on the shelf next to theirs. He ended with how happy he was to bethere and how he hadnbt seen her since 1976. Then off the stage he went toreceive a hug from the honoree. Joel Bernstein was next to honor Joni, in his bdisembodiedvoice.b Pictures of Joel and Joni on the monitor gave way to pictures that hehad taken of her over the course of knowing Joni as her friend, photographer,and music transcriber for over 30 years. He explained the difference betweenstandard tuning and open tuning. He said, bWhen the young Joni Mitchell wasfirst introduced to these open tunings, she coaxed some very different soundsfrom the guitar strings.b He went on to say, bAnd one day long ago, whileretuning her guitar from one open tuning to another, she stopped someplace inbetween and listened. bOoooob&b&.delicious!!b thought Joni. bI think Ibll stayhere a while and explore.b And so she did, coming up with both a new andoriginal tuning that wasnbt standard or open and the new and original chords toplay in it. This was the musical equivalent of Alice opening the little doorand glimpsing an entirely new world beyond. From that day to this, Jonibscuriosity, sense of adventure, and unique sense of what composers call btonecolorb have resulted in her own very personal discovery and deep exploration ofliterally dozens of these new worlds.b Joel mentions that he is currently completing aproject of many years- a 2-Volume set of arrangements of every one of Jonibsreleased songs, complete with carefully transcribed tunings and chords foreach. Hoping to be released next year, he says it will provide a bdetailed mapof where she has traveled musically over the years.b He says he hopes it willinspire others to explore her songs and finishes with, bBut you know what? Evenwith the book, when it comes to playing Joni Mitchell songs, nobody can do itlike bThe Mitchb herself.b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:35:21 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 2 Next, the three performers introduced bThe Mitchell Effect.bNoting that Joni has been covered by more recording artists than any singlecomposer, with the exception of Mozart, we were treated to impromptubinterviewsb of people on the street, including song clips of everyday peoplesinging the lyrics to Jonibs songs. It was really fun and good placing in theprogram. That was segued into Rebecca Jenkins singing Blue, with an honest andheartfelt interpretation of the song. Next we looked again to the monitors where Angelica Hustonand Jonibs best friend, Charles Valentino, were expounding on Jonibs virtues.Angelica said that she is bone of those people who makes you happy to be alivebecause you feel like shebs always taking a big bite out of life.b Charles saidto Joni how much she deserved this honor, and that he and Angelica were goingto have a dance in her honor. In the introduction to his next song, Brent says,bMichaelb&Willyb&Richardb&Careyb& Beautiful, beautiful Marcieb&Cherokee Louiseb&Ronb&Chikieb&LeadFoot Melvin. With every one of these people, Joni Mitchell seems to havereintroduced us to some part of ourselves. And in the brevity of one song, shepaints an entire life...like that.b As he sang Shadows and Light, Hejira wassomehow sandwiched between the beginning and end in a fluid, mellifluous way. Moving forward in Jonibs career, the next subject was aboutcharting new territories. Herbie Hancock was now on the monitor, talking abouthow he bhappenedb onto the Mingus album. He wasnbt originally scheduled to beon it, but His friend, Jaco Pastorius, called him and said they were in thestudio, and invited him to play. From that point on, he and Joni becamefriends. He says about Joni, b Her normal mode of conversation is so graphicand full of symbolism, just like her poetry. She speaks poetically.b WayneShorter was on the monitor next, saying that she is a person who was willing totake chances, one of the few who were willing to put her career on the line.And by doing so, she proceeded to bbreak sound barriers.b Rebecca Jenkins came forward to sing a really lovely versionof bTwo Grey Rooms.b Following that were humorous anecdotes, including the factthat Joni Mitchell has been the answer to 42 Across in the New York TimesCrossword Puzzle, and her lyrics have stumped a contestant on Who Wants to be aMillionaire. Stating that Joni Mitchell is an bicon,b our eyes went back to themonitor for video clips of Joni references, including Chicago Hope, Youbve GotMail, Down to You, and Robert Downey singing River on Ally McBeal. Another sandwich follows of Brent singing Sunny Sunday,pausing long enough for Anne Marie to powerfully recite the lyrics to TheMagdalene Laundries, and Brent finishing with the remainder of Sunny Sunday. Itwas a very powerful combination, with perfect timing. Finally. We are introduced to the Lady of the Hour, JoniMitchell. She approaches the stage radiant in a two-piece Issy Miyake green andblue outfit. She is joined by Denise Donlan, the president of Sony Music,Canada. Before Joni can even sit down, she is rushed by Brent, Ann Marie andRebecca, each offering a pack of her favorite cigarettes, American Spirits. Allthat is left is a light from an audience member, and she comfortably settlesinto her chair next to Denise. When asked about her bcreative genius,b Jonisays she collects all kinds of ideas and stores them away, including a lot ofcinematic ideas and short stories. She added that they always seem to bsortthemselves out.b She said as a child, she wrote in rhyme. When she was upset, itgave her a structure to work things out. As far as painting, she says, bI used to carry a sketchbookeverywhere. Every time I sat down, I used to draw what was in front of me. Iused to sketch everything.b She did this while bgetting her craft together in acertain way.b Joni continues, bI would draw the people at my concert before Iwent on. They would have to take the pen away from me.b (So she could go onstage.) She says she has been approached several times to write asong for a movie, but she always ends up telling the whole movie, so they neveruse it. She calls herself a bmusical illiterate,b not knowing the blanguage,but she adds, ba sophisticated musical illiterate, kind of like an idiot savantof sorts.b She says she like to move around in keys, and gives bmetaphoricalinstructionb to her players. She gives an example: bFor instance, in TroubleChild, the piano player was just playing notes, and I told him to play aJapanese wave- it arcs up and then sucks down on itself. Whereas Wayne (Shorter)came to me the first time I played with him in London, he said, bItbs likeyoubre in Hyde Park, and therebs a nanny and a baby, and the baby has a boat,and the wind is nudging it- (she makes a sound-do, do, do), itbs nudging it,(do, do, do) Ibm going to play it like that.b (do, do, do.) and I just thought,bOh, I love this guy!bb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:37:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: More on Joni painting (Gee, it seems so weird not to njc tag tonight ;-) Regarding the turbaned head face appearing in the fire of WTC 2. There is actually an overlap of two men's faces in this depiction. It is more difficult to see in my scan, even when it is enlarged, but in the original it is very clear. Would be nice to see this one in person for more detail. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:36:22 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: for Anne and you all njc god bless you vince. god bless you anne. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:42:19 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni- Toronto World Leader's Tribute- Part 3 On the question of how have your paintings changed since September 11th? Joni says, bThere were two wars in my life on September 11th. I broke up with my boyfriend. He complained that I repeat myself too much, and I bdob repeat myself too much. Especially now because Ibm writing my book, so Ibm writing a lot of my yarns in the oral tradition.b She said she took a lot of pictures with a paper camera on September 11th, and she saw a lot of figures in the smoke. She started painting what she called brepetism,b doing 5 double images. She said by painting, it helped her to become emotionally detached. Joni moved on by talking about her involvement with singing with an orchestra. She says when the orchestra starts to swell, itbs likebsurfing a pipeline,b and pushes out a certain kind of performance. She adds that since there are such dramatic intricacies to her songs, you have to be more of an actress to sing them. She just wanted to sing and bsustain one nice moodb which she could obtain by singing the standards, and she was hooked. Denise tried to wrap up the evening by saying there was only 10 minutes left, and would she show us an example of her creative process? Joni then asked the audience if we would like to hear her improvise at the piano, or sing with the practice tapes of the orchestral background of the new CDbs she is working on. Of course, everyone yelled, bBOTH,b and she was glad to oblige, although I think Denise was a little concerned of the late time. No one in the audience seemed quick to leave. We were more than content to stay as long as Joni would have us. She moved over to the piano, right where we were sitting, and it was truly a rare treat to witness her at the piano again. She improvised chords, much the way Paprika Plains was written, and we were spellbound. When she finished, she moved over to the stereo that was set up by her chair, and pushed a button. Joni explained that these were demo tapes, made by the orchestra for her to listen to at home. She said she often listens to them while walking around her house. The first strains of The CircleGame came through the speakers. I have to say that, for me, this is one song that I have heard too many times by too many people, and I was a little tired of it. But, when Joni opened her mouth to sing, it was fresh and new, and I listened to the words in a whole new light. She radiates beauty and her mature voice was perfect for this piece. Her whole being lights up when she sings, especially her own material. She bowns itb in a way that I find rare in singers. She has the ability to move through your soul when she sings, and speaks to you in her music as if she wrote the piece solely for you. She followed The Circle Game with Be Cool, a slowed down version of Borderline, taking a moment to explain that she had just received these tapes 6 days prior, as she kept looking to Larry (Klein) to help recognize which song it was, Cherokee Louise, Coyote, For the Roses, and ending with Slouching Towards Bethlehem. It was an incredible joy to watch her in the creative process. The evening came full circle as Mr. Kratzman, her 7th Grade teacher, came up on stage to present her with her World Leader award. We witnessed an intimate moment while Joni reconnected with the person she credits as being such a large influence in her life, the teacher who gave her an A-instead of an A+ on a piece of poetry that she thought was very good. When asked why another boy received an A+, Mr. Kratzman answered, bbecause that is the best poem he will ever write.b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:45:19 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: ACK!!!!!!! I wrote the review in Word, then cut and pasted, and what a mess!! If anyone wants to read it in Word, and have it make more sense, e-mail me privately and I can send it to you by attatchment. Sorry about that!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:52:21 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: ashes!!!!! njc ashes, thank you so much for your report. i couldn't help starting to sob uncontrollably when i read the final part about mr. kratzman. what a wise person he must be. so many unsung heroes in this world... love you, wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:12:45 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Louie Louie, etc etc I have the text of Louie Louie at work as given by the author to Bob Greene and tomorrow I shall post them. The words are about sailing, and the word "fuck" does not appear, nor is the song about song. The so-called dirty words of Louie, Louie are one of the great urban legends of our time, since they never there; the Kingsmen's version is so fuzzed over everyone thought it said whatever they wanted it to say, It has been reported that J, Edgar Hoover had the FBI spend two years trying to decipher the words and they gave up. Prior to Jefferson Airplane's "We Can Be Together" ('we cheat lie forge fred fuck hide and deal' and I never knew what 'fred' was), the first use that I can recall was in the opening words of another San Francisco band's song, "Feel Like I'm Fixin' to Die" which opened the "Fish Cheer" - Give me an F! Give me a U! etc... Many years later Neil Young of course sings "Why do I keep fucking Up" on "F'!#IN' Up" on the album "Ragged Glory." First use of "shit" that I know of was on the same Jefferson Airplane album as "We Can Be Together" which was the great album "Volunteers," on 'Eskimo Blue Day" ('you call it fame but the human name doesn't mean shit to a tree' and 'we call it proud but the human crowd doesn't mean shit to a tree' and 'say it plain, the name doesn't mean shit to a tree' etc., which you have to admit makes a certain amount of sense). And then came rap and hip hop and those words show up, oh, occasionally on a handful of tracks... but in my opinion, Eminem (whose music I love, and lets not get into that again, please) uses the words as eloquently as anyone out there. Anyway, I come from doing my bishop thing to answer these questions about nasty words in songs? Wow, I shock myself on my degenerate knowledge. Must get back to being more pious... after I get over remembering Abbie Hoffman walking around the streets of my sweet home Chicago in 1968 with the word "FUCK" written on his forehead, proclaiming, "you think this is obscene? I think the Vietnam war is obscene." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:13:10 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Marian wrote: "The American immigrants intentionally wiped out much of the Native Indian population by giving them blankets which had been used for people who died of smallpox." Without which I suppose we could not have understood how the disease is spread. "The American immigrants". Would that be the English then ? Or was it the French ? Or the Spanish ? Or was it later immigrants from Africa and Ireland and China ? Or the Arabs. Let's not let any more of them come over here and murder us natives with blankets contaminated with smallpox. Is "much" 20% or 40% or 60%. It couldn't have been that high a percentage, or there would not have been enough Native Indians left standing for the white man to inflict the better-documented atrocities that came later. Not that the Native Indians didn't commit some atrocities of their own - especially to each other. Maybe they deserved it, like we do now. I am beginning to understand why the ratio of immigrants to emigrants is so high over here in America - you can murder all of the natives, and noone will even slap you on the wrist. Or at least we shouldn't, if you have any excuse or grievance, however flimsy, to hide behind. I think I will go play Marian's excellent tab of Midway and try to chill out a bit. Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 01:15:45 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC Louie Louie, redux I said "The words are about sailing, and the word "fuck" does not appear, nor is the song about song. " which is nonsensical and what I meant to say was "The words are about sailing, and the word "fuck" does not appear, nor is the song about sex." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:09:50 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and Jazz Dear Mario, The first time I heard Joni was by listening to my college roommate's album Court and Spark, and Hissing of Summer Lawns. I was captivated by her. However, I have to agree with you that I like Joni best when she is in her Jazz element. I have never listened to the album, Mingus, but I have heard cuts from it in the live versions which appear on Shadows and Light. (you've got to hear Jaco play live on this!) Then I think about the CD Turbulent Indigo, and I get so confused! I just love everything she does! Sherelle In a message dated 10/21/2001 6:35:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:14:14 +0200 > From: "Mario De Tullio" > Subject: joni and jazz > > Thank you very much for your (Cindy, Kakki, Bob, Kate, Jerry) encouraging > comments on my English. I am mainly a jazz fan, so I met Joni's music > through > Mingus (Jaco could actually swing like nobody else!). I also like very much > the sound of BSN, which reminds me of the Gil Evans orchestra. I must > confess > that I do not know much about Joni's work between these two albums. Can > anybody suggest where I can find articles about Joni and Jazz music? > > Thanks, > > Mario > > NP: Oregon, Alpenbridge ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 08:37:59 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: On 22 October 2001 07:13, Bobsart48@aol.com [SMTP:Bobsart48@aol.com] wrote: > Marian wrote: > > "The American immigrants intentionally wiped > out much of the Native Indian population by giving them blankets which had > been used for people who died of smallpox." > > Without which I suppose we could not have understood how the disease is > spread. "The American immigrants". Would that be the English then ? Or was it Now that I think about it, I think it was the Spanish in Central America who did the thing with the blankets. In some areas, 100% of the population was wiped out. > Is "much" 20% or 40% or 60%. In North America, I think more than 60% of the Native Americans died from smallpox. Marian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:40:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: sig line njc not sure if there was a complaint about this or not but it is just an automatic thing that gets inserted each time i email...cuz i do lots of biz via email & most folks i know like me have some kind of sig line like this...hope no one takes offence.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #503 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?