From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #500 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, October 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 500 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: a poem (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: omfg definitely joni content ["Kakki" ] Re: njc - nix on the anthrax - njc ["Marian" ] A memo to American Muslims - NJC ["Marian" ] From an interview with Bridget St.John in 1976 about Joni ["Victor Johnso] Re: Ryan Adams ruined by sleepover kids NJC [] Re: Joni in VF [] RE: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills (NJC) ["Deb Messling" ] re a place where you don't spit ["Geronimo" ] Re: from Italy (njc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: larry klein's movie [Jerry Notaro ] Re: embarrassed fans NJC [Jerry Notaro ] the stars chuck down their spears ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: embarrassed fans NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni Mitchell.com has updates for you!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni und Robert Plant?? ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Teena Marie (VLJC) ["Timothy Spong" ] The new album ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Press Release ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: re a place where you don't spit ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni Mitchell.com has updates for you!!! ["Mark or Travis" ] Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills (NJC) ["Kate Bennett"] Re: Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills (NJC) [TimandMary] Re: re a place where you don't spit (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Songs with "Fuck" in the lyrics [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Joni sings with Eric Anderson in folk club [Les Irvin ] Re: Press Release [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] What's playing on joni's cd player?... [Nuriel Tobias Subject: Subject: a poem (njc) Wow Anne. This poem is really really really really good, & so very powerful. >>I wrote this today and I felt like sharing it with you: Steel-skinned wings turned bird of prey As dark hearts steered the birds astray Plunged like daggers in the glass That shattered in the raptors' wrath A hot tornado wind spun round And flung the towers to the ground A storm of blind black snow rose up As souls were sifted into dust Thousands flung to angel flight Thousands more fled from the site It rained the hot rain of Pompeii Til every color turned to grey People pouring out their veins For wounded ones that never came "Have you seen my loved one's face Somewhere in this poisoned place?" But from the ruins of the crime Weary wings began to climb Sparrows, falcons, jays and wrens Were gliding overhead again So hand me down some feathered wings That I might learn to soar and sing That I might ride the sacred sky And while the wicked walk, I fly lots of love Anne<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 00:33:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: omfg definitely joni content OMG! I just got off the phone with Stephen, Jimmy and Rick OMG! You all had the most amazing experience!!! Whoo hoo!!! I am SO happy for you all! Wait till the list hears the reports!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:30:10 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: njc - nix on the anthrax - njc Dear Catherine, I'm so relieved to hear that the powder wasn't anthrax. Hope the other tests they are doing are also negative for anything bad. Keep us posted! Love, Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:37:28 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: A memo to American Muslims - NJC From salon.com + + + + + + + A memo to American Muslims It's time for us to search our souls. How can the message of Muhammad become a source of horror and fear? How can Islam inspire thousands of youth to dedicate their lives to killing others? Editor's note: The heartfelt and brave missive below, which is circulating on the Web, comes as a bolt of reason in an increasingly unhinged time. Written by an American Muslim scholar who was born in India, educated at Georgetown University and now teaches political science at a Michigan college, the open letter calls upon fellow Muslims to cast aside violent passions and superstitions and embrace Islam's higher calling. The memo is a direct challenge to Islamic intellectuals and clerics like Egyptian sheikh Muhammad Al-Gamei'a, imam of the Islamic Cultural Center and Mosque of New York City, whose wild-eyed descriptions of the Sept. 11 terror attacks as a Jewish plot deserve the emphatic condemnation of thinking people everywhere. - - - - - - - - - - - - - By M. A. Muqtedar Khan Oct. 18, 2001 | In the name of Allah, the most Benevolent and the Most Merciful. May this memo find you in the shade of Islam enjoying the mercy, the protection and the grace of Allah. I am writing this memo to you all with the explicit purpose of inviting you to lead the American Muslim community in soul searching, reflection and reassessment. What happened on Sept. 11 in New York and Washington will forever remain a horrible scar on the history of Islam and humanity. No matter how much we condemn it, and point to the Quran and the Sunnah to argue that Islam forbids the killing of innocent people, the fact remains that the perpetrators of this crime against humanity have indicated that their actions are sanctioned by Islamic values. The fact that even now several Muslim scholars and thousands of Muslims defend the accused is indicative that not all Muslims believe that the attacks are un-Islamic. This is truly sad. Even if it were true that Israel and the U.S. are enemies of the Muslim world, a response that mercilessly murders thousands of innocent people, including hundreds of Muslims, is absolutely indefensible. If anywhere in your hearts there is any sympathy or understanding with those who committed this act, I invite you to ask yourself this question: Would Muhammad sanction such an act? While encouraging Muslims to struggle against injustice (Al Quran 4:135), Allah also imposes strict rules of engagement. He says in unequivocal terms that to kill an innocent being is like killing entire humanity (Al Quran 5:32). He also encourages Muslims to forgive Jews and Christians if they have committed injustices against us (Al Quran 2:109, 3:159, 5:85). Muslims, including American Muslims, have been practicing hypocrisy on a grand scale. They protest against the discriminatory practices of Israel but are silent against the discriminatory practices in Muslim states. In the Persian Gulf one can see how laws and even salaries are based on ethnic origin. This is racism, but we never hear of Muslims protesting against them at international forums. The Israeli occupation of Palestine is perhaps central to Muslim grievance against the West. While acknowledging that, I must remind you that Israel treats its 1 million Arab citizens with greater respect and dignity than most Arab nations treat their citizens. Today Palestinian refugees can settle in the U.S. and become American citizens, but in spite of all the tall rhetoric of the Arab world and Quranic injunctions (24:22), no Muslim country except Jordan extends this support to them. While we loudly and consistently condemn Israel for its ill treatment of Palestinians, we are silent when Muslim regimes abuse the rights of Muslims and slaughter thousands of them. Remember Saddam Hussein and his use of chemical weapons against Muslims (Kurds)? Remember the Pakistani army's excesses against Muslims (Bengalis)? Remember the mujahideen of Afghanistan and their mutual slaughter? Have we ever condemned them for their excesses? Have we demanded international intervention or retribution against them? Do you know how the Saudis treat their minority Shiis? Have we protested the violation of their rights? But we all are eager to condemn Israel; not because we care for the rights and lives of the Palestinians; we don't. We condemn Israel because we hate "them." Muslims love to live in the U.S. but also love to hate it. Many openly claim that the U.S. is a terrorist state but they continue to live in it. Their decision to live here is testimony that they would rather live here than anywhere else. As an Indian Muslim, I know for sure that nowhere on earth, including India, will I get the same sense of dignity and respect that I have received in the U.S. No Muslim country will treat me as well as the U.S. has. If what happened on Sept. 11 had happened in India, the world's biggest democracy, thousands of Muslims would have been slaughtered in riots on mere suspicion and there would be another slaughter after the culprits' identity was confirmed. But in the U.S., bigotry and xenophobia have been kept in check by the media and political leaders. In many places hundreds of Americans have gathered around Islamic centers in symbolic gestures of protection and embrace of American Muslims. In many cities Christian congregations have started wearing hijab to identify with fellow Muslim women. In patience and in tolerance ordinary Americans have demonstrated their extraordinary virtues. It is time that we acknowledge that the freedoms we enjoy in the U.S. are more desirable to us than superficial solidarity with the Muslim world. If you disagree, then prove it by packing your bags and going to whichever Muslim country you identify with. If you do not leave and do not acknowledge that you would rather live here than anywhere else, know that you are being hypocritical. It is time that we faced these hypocritical practices and struggled to transcend them. It is time that American Muslim leaders fought to purify their own lot. For over a decade we have watched as Muslims in the name of Islam have committed violence against other Muslims and other peoples. We have always found a way to reconcile the vast distance between Islamic values and Muslim practices by pointing to the injustices committed upon Muslims by others. The point however is this -- our belief in Islam and commitment to Islamic values is not contingent on the moral conduct of the U.S. or Israel. And as Muslims can we condone such inhuman and senseless waste of life in the name of Islam? The biggest victims of hate-filled politics as embodied in the actions of several Muslim militias all over the world are Muslims themselves. Hate is the extreme form of intolerance and when individuals and groups succumb to it they can do nothing constructive. Militias like the Taliban have allowed their hate for the West to override their obligation to pursue the welfare of their people and as a result of their actions not only have thousands of innocent people died in America, but thousands of people will die in the Muslim world. Already, half a million Afghans have had to leave their homes and their country. It will only get worse as the war escalates. Hamas and Islamic Jihad may kill a few Jews, women and children included, with their suicide bombs and temporarily satisfy their lust for Jewish blood, but thousands of Palestinians then pay the price for their actions. The culture of hate and killing is tearing away at the moral fabric of the Muslim society. We are more focused on "the other" and have completely forgotten our duty to Allah. In pursuit of the inferior jihad we have sacrificed the superior jihad. Islamic resurgence, the cherished ideals of which pursued the ultimate goal of a universally just and moral society, has been hijacked by hate and calls for murder and mayhem. If Osama bin Laden were an individual, then we would have no problem. But unfortunately bin Laden has become a phenomenon -- a cancer eating away at the morality of our youth, and undermining the spiritual health of our future. Today the century-old Islamic revival is in jeopardy because we have allowed insanity to prevail over our better judgment. Yes, the U.S. has played a hand in the creation of bin Laden and the Taliban, but it is we who have allowed them to grow and gain such a foothold. It is our duty to police our world. It is our responsibility to prevent people from abusing Islam. It is our job to ensure that Islam is not misrepresented. We should have made sure that what happened on Sept. 11 should never have happened. It is time the leaders of the American Muslim community woke up and realized that there is more to life than competing with the American Jewish lobby for power over U.S. foreign policy. Islam is not about defeating Jews or conquering Jerusalem. It is about mercy, about virtue, about sacrifice and about duty. Above all it is the pursuit of moral perfection. Nothing can be further away from moral perfection than the wanton slaughter of thousands of unsuspecting innocent people. I hope that we will now rededicate our lives and our institutions to the search for harmony, peace and tolerance. Let us be prepared to suffer injustice rather than commit injustices. After all, it is we who carry the divine burden of Islam and not others. We have to be morally better, more forgiving, more sacrificing than others, if we wish to convince the world about the truth of our message. We cannot simply be equal to others in virtue, we must excel. It is time for soul searching. How can the message of Muhammad, who was sent as mercy to mankind, become a source of horror and fear? How can Islam inspire thousands of youth to dedicate their lives to killing others? We are supposed to invite people to Islam, not murder them. The worst exhibition of Islam happened on our turf. We must take first responsibility to undo the evil it has manifest. This is our mandate, our burden and also our opportunity. salon.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - About the writer Muqtedar Khan is a political science professor at Adrian College in Michigan. He is on the board of the Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy. + + + + + + + ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 04:38:10 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: From an interview with Bridget St.John in 1976 about Joni L: Do you listen a lot to Joni Mitchell ? BS: I think She's amazing too. I listen a lot to her. But she's not like my favorite singer. I suppose what it is, as I feel she's fairly cold as an actual person. Maybe, she's not really, perhaps that's the side of her she needs to write about. It's like when I'm down I need to write out those times. Whereas there's a whole lot of other sides to me that hardly come out. Maybe, it's unfair to say that, you just write what you have to write out of you. She's very educated, her command of language is very, very great. It's like she never uses the same word twice, see what I mean. she must have read an awful lot. http://www.bridgetstjohn.f2s.com/press.htm Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:17:25 +0100 From: Subject: Re: Ryan Adams ruined by sleepover kids NJC This bloke seems to be everywhere. Last night he was on tv here and by some sort of modern miracle he cropped up a few minutes later on another channel. I couldn't hear him because my daughter and her friends were playing a Buffy board game that seemed to involve an extraordinary amount of whooping and shrieking. He's playing in an old cinema tonight so I'm going.to that to hear him properly. . Philip NP Electric Prunes - Holy Are You ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:17:51 +0100 From: Subject: Re: Joni in VF > Joni looks her age in a GOOD way! > Yeah Bob, real good. This week I saw an amazing recent portrait of her in an Annie Leibowich book called Women (I think). There's also a very powerful picture of Carly Fiorina (ceo of HP) sitting in her lear jet. Philip NP Lou Rawls - For What It's Worth ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:22:12 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills (NJC) I recall reading just a few years ago that electroconvulsive therapy was making a "comeback," supposedly for only the most severe cases of depression. My dad had shock therapy in his forties and it did nothing, nothing, nothing for him except wipe out pockets of his memory for awhile. I suppose the technique has been refined. I'm a hesitant supporter of drug therapy, but I do believe that today's emphasis on pills stems from insurance company edicts more than anything else. I had my therapy plug pulled on me when my employer went to an HMO. In retrospect it was the best thing that ever happened to me, but that's another st ory. > the appropriate drug. As for the electric shock treatment, I had thought > that had been abadoned way back in the 1950s or something but then was > suprised to learn that a colleg friend's father was receiving it > here in the > 1970s, too. Eesch - now there was a barbaric treatment. In a way, we can > thank God that medicines came along to replace THAT idea. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:45:15 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: Don't spit on Joni's star - story from CP I found this on Yahoo Canada (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/011019/6/camo.html. If you click on the link, there's a photo, too. TORONTO (CP) - Margaret Atwood and Joni Mitchell have become the latest additions to the Canadian Walk of Fame, taking their places in a concrete pantheon of homegrown international stars. The novelist and the singer unveiled their monuments Friday on the King Street West sidewalk along a row of immortalized hockey players, rock stars and actors in the heart of the downtown theatre district. Mitchell, who was a 2000 inductee, couldn't attend an unveiling until now. "For my star I hope if you're crossing over it, since the world is moving so fast and has gone so mad, that you would slow down a little and think of something funny or something kind, think of someone you love," Mitchell said. "I prefer you don't spit there - curb your dog elsewhere. And just use it as a little contemplative place, sit there and have a private chuckle, and that would make me very happy, that would make it practical and useful." Accepting a granite and brass statuette that accompanies the concrete star, Atwood thanked the Walk of Fame organization. "We have a kind of running contest going on as to which award makes the best murder weapon - this wins," she quipped, gripping the hefty award. Atwood said she's pleased the organization, which has already laid 49 of the commemorative sidewalk stars, chose to recognize a fiction writer. "It's the first time that they have elected to bestow it on a novelist," she said in an interview Wednesday. "Pierre Berton is the only other writer. So I'm hoping that it will encourage them to think in the direction of writers because when you think of Canadians who get around the world, a lot of them get around the world in the form of their books." The year's inductees also included sports heroes Jean Beliveau, Kurt Browning, Ferguson Jenkins and the late Harry Jerome, Inuit artist Kenojuak Ashevak, legendary rock band the Guess Who, actor Leslie Nielsen, polka king Walter Ostanek, ballerina Veronica Tennant, opera singer Teresa Stratas, Quebec filmmaker Robert Lepage and director Ivan Reitman. "These are all people who have gone out on a limb and whose families probably all thought they were berserk," Atwood said. "The fact that we (Canada's population) are so small makes it the more remarkable that we continue to turn out people who do well in a number of different areas. "It is something for people who really are among the most entrepreneurial people there are, that is they start with nothing but their talent, whatever it may be." With customary dry humour, Atwood said she is quite content with a permanent place underfoot. "Look at it from my point of view - the parks are all used up," she said. "I'm not going to get a park when I croak. So I'll have couple of inches of cement." To qualify for a star on the walk, nominees must have been either born in Canada or have spent their formative years here, enjoyed a minimum of 10 years of success and have "a body of work recognized for its impact on our cultural heritage." Unlike the original sidewalk squares in Hollywood, the Walk of Fame plaques display not a star but a stylized maple leaf and signature of the celebrity. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:21:59 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Huh? (NJC) nah, nothing inappropriate at all. i did a big no no. a p.u.i. posting under the influence. i was drinking beers and read the post and was joking around about catherine's anthrax and the ira and i guess i could have seen colin get pissed for being policed on the list...cause he hates that.... and so i was joking about it early. my fault. sorry. just being an impish punk. funny thing those molson canadians...make me think everyone across the world understands my immature mind from a few simple words on a screen. again....sorry. pat From: Steve Dulson Subject: Huh? (NJC) I don't understand this. if I am posting inappropriately, please explain. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:16:33 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: VH1 to air the concert tonight for NYC (njc) On Saturday, October 20 at 7 p.m. (ET/PT), VH1 is proud to host the live broadcast of The Concert for New York City, a five-hour benefit concert and tribute to the victims of the World Trade Center tragedy. The all-star line-up includes Paul McCartney, Macy Gray, Bon Jovi, The Backstreet Boys, Destiny's Child and many more. All proceeds from the event will go to the Robin Hood Relief Fund. Don't miss this historic event! rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:23:52 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Songs with "Fuck" in the lyrics I've been wondering what the first song was that had the word "Fuck" in it. Before Pink Floyd's "Speak to me" there was Joni's "Woman of heart and mind" and before that was Jefferson Airplane's "We can be together".Were there any songs before that? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:18:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NORAD (njc) - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > > Is that the same place they are supposed to > > take the President, etc. in case of a nuclear > > war? > > Probably, although it's just as likely they'd keep > him airborne in Air > Force One (a la the 1983 TV movie "The Day After"). > I haven't seen "The Day After", but I do wonder... suppose the prez was up in AF1 flying all over the place, and the entire world blew up? What then? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 00:30:06 +1000 From: "Geronimo" Subject: re a place where you don't spit Did I miss something? "In the seated area for VIPs sat Mitchell's husband, daughter, grandchildren and manager, as well as Canadian film directors Norman Jewison and David Croenenberg. "It's a warm support group," Mitchell later told the press. " http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/rolls/20011019/en/canada_honors_joni_1.html Husband? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:34:32 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: from Italy (njc) Mario, I wish some of my students' English here in the U.S. was as good as yours. Jerry Notaro (still reeling over seeing Trisha Yearwood last night. Nnenna Freelon tonight!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:37:23 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: larry klein's movie Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > Since when is Larry Klein in the movies???? > Love > JennyMac > He was great as a sleazy producer n Grace of My Heart. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 10:44:14 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: embarrassed fans NJC colin wrote: > believe it or not, my parents thouight Carly was highly immoral and crude rude > and bad. Believe it, or not, when she sang "Don't you think it's time we move in together" my grandmother was quite shocked to hear that on the radio. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:48:58 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: the stars chuck down their spears Canada Honors Joni "I'd like that little spot on the sidewalk to be a place where you don't spit," quipped singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell, during her thank-you speech at her induction ceremony for Canada's Walk of Fame in Toronto. Mitchell, who was honored alongside Canadian novelist Margaret Atwood, received a key to the city, a granite-based trophy and a granite star on the sidewalk in Toronto's theater district on King Street West. "I'm not certain what committee or voting system brought me to this podium, but I'm very honored," she said. "I didn't have to pay for this star on the sidewalk. They buy them in Hollywood. This is not corrupt, so I'm very honored for that." As a couple of hundred people assembled outside the cordoned-off section in front of the Royal Alex Theatre to view the noontime event, bagpiping brothers Rob and Sandy Campell of rock band Mudmen opened the proceedings. Mitchell and Atwood took seats on the makeshift stage, then the emcee asked for a minute of silence to honor those who perished in the September 11th tragedy. The bagpipers continued with "Amazing Grace," after which Camilla Scott, star of the ABBA musical Mama Mia at the Royal Alex, sang both the American and Canadian national anthems. Although Mitchell was born in Fort McLeod, moved to Toronto in 1965 and began performing in coffeehouses and folk clubs there, she is now based in the U.S. She has had an illustrious career, starting with her David Crosby-produced Songs to a Seagull debut in 1968 to last year's Both Sides Now collection, with an output to date of twenty-one albums. She is also an accomplished painter whose work has enhanced her own album covers. "What does it open?" Mitchell asked when Toronto Mayor Mel Lastman presented her the key. "It opens the hearts of all the people of Toronto, and it is given on behalf of all the people of Toronto," he responded. In the seated area for VIPs sat Mitchell's husband, daughter, grandchildren and manager, as well as Canadian film directors Norman Jewison and David Croenenberg. "It's a warm support group," Mitchell later told the press. In the second part of the ceremony, she was given a star trophy she could actually take home, prior to the unveiling of the permanent star on the sidewalk. "For my star, I hope if you're crossing over it, since the world is moving so fast and has gone so mad, that you would slow down a little bit as you would cross over it, think of something funny or something kind -- think of someone you love," Mitchell said. "If you're thinking of someone that you don't love as you're crossing over it, put them out of mind . . . Just use it as a little contemplative place. Sit there and have a private chuckle, and that would make me very happy. That would make it practical and useful." Mitchell and Atwood were then asked to step over to the sidewalk where they removed the white plastic coverings over their stars, and posted for picture crouching down. Mitchell's "Chelsea Morning" was played over the speakers at the close of the half-hour ceremony. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:52:09 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: joni's "start award" found this interesting from joni about her "star award"; "For my star, I hope if you're crossing over it, since the world is moving so fast and has gone so mad, that you would slow down a little bit as you would cross over it, think of something funny or something kind -- think of someone you love," Mitchell said. "If you're thinking of someone that you don't love as you're crossing over it, put them out of mind . . . Just use it as a little contemplative place. Sit there and have a private chuckle, and that would make me very happy. That would make it practical and useful." http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/rolls/20011019/en/canada_honors_joni_1.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:28:29 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: embarrassed fans NJC ans NJC > oh mark! i always forget to tell you and the list. i hereby declare that i > sang ''something cool'' [a rickie number] in honor of mark. > wallyK Big hug and kiss to you, Wally! Mwah! (as Dinah Shore used to say) Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:51:58 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell.com has updates for you!!! Jim Johanson has given us some of the highlights of last evenings Hommage program. Go to Jonimitchell.com He'll be telling us more soon along with some great pictures I'm sure... rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:08:46 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni und Robert Plant?? Hello gang I was just on the website for the Toronto Starwalk thingy and I played the trivia game. One of the questions was 'Which group of men did Joni have a romance with' Graham Nash, Jackson Brown, James Taylor and Robert Plant. I don't ever remember seeing or reading anything about this? I haven't come across it in the Karen O'Brien book (which to me really IS the definitive) Did the questionner get it wrong? JAmie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:16:34 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Teena Marie (VLJC) Fellow JMDLers, In JMDL Digest V2001 #325, Wally Kairuz says, quoting a passage from lauranyro.com, in part: " ... Jon Pareles amplified this in The New York Times: 'If not for Laura Nyro, the music of Rickie Lee Jones, Joni Mitchell and Teena Marie might have been very different.' " And I ask for information about Teena Marie. I am not familiar with this individual. Thank you. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:30:47 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: The new album Didn't I tell you? Slouching Towards Bethlehem would be fantastic done orchestrally. Lo and behold, she has done it (in demo form at least). According to the report on jm.com, she gave the audience a taster of what was to come. I can't wait. So,she's done the demos, now all she has to do is to come here to England and record it. Much Joni Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:14:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Press Release FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Kate Bennett email: kate@katebennett.com Santa Barbara Songwriters Tribute to Joni Mitchell (all proceeds will benefit the Red Cross Liberty Disaster Relief Fund) When: November 7, 2001 @ 7:30 pm Where: SOhO Restaurant & Music Club 1221 State St, Santa Barbara 805-962-7776 $5 Santa Barbara songwriter Kate Bennett has gathered some of her local musician and songwriting friends to perform songs written by Joni Mitchell, one of the worlds most revered songwriters. The evening is planned to coincide with Mitchells birthday (November 7) and is an acknowledgment of her inclusion as one of 14 artists recently honored at the World Leaders: A Festival of Creative Genius in Toronto Canada. The proceeds from the Santa Barbara show will be donated to the Red Cross Liberty Disaster Relief Fund. Over the past few years, Bennett has been in contact with musicians from around the world who cite Joni Mitchell as a major influence. Bennett and her husband, Jeff Bisch, recently attended a three-day festival (called Jonifest) near Boston where they met & played with other Mitchell-influenced musicians from all over the United States as well as Canada, Europe, New Zealand, and South America. It was a weekend full of music for the pure joy of singing and playing, sharing songs and collaboration, Bennett remarked. I wanted to bring some of that experience home to Santa Barbara and to get some of my musician friends together for the same reasons. Everyone I contacted was so excited at the idea of performing Joni Mitchells songs! Many of us are out there playing and making some kind of career for ourselves through our music. This is an opportunity to do it in honor of someone who has had such a major influence on the art & craft of songwriting. Joni Mitchell is widely regarded as one of the most significant artists of her generation and there are many well known songwriters who cite Joni Mitchell as a major influence. The Santa Barbara Tribute to Joni Mitchell will include performances by Michael Adcock & some of his band (The Grateful Dads), Kate Bennett, Craig Stuart & Kasey Lloyd, Jack Lee, John Mooy, Donna OConnor, Tammy Gillispie & Mark LaCommare, Doug Ingoldsby, Pam Johnson, Delilah Poupore & Antara Blasius, Heather Stevenson, and Jennifer Terran. Over the years, Joni Mitchell has been showered with accolades, including multiple Grammys, a Governor Generals Performing Arts Award, Rolling Stone s Artist of the Year, Billboard Magazines Century Award, and in 1997 she was the first Canadian woman to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. One critic raved, "When all the dust settles, Joni Mitchell may stand as the most important and influential recording artist of the late 20th century." The Joni Mitchell Homage took place on October 19 in Toronto. Emphasizing that the true world leaders of today are creative artists, the 14 honorees were selected due to their revolutionary life-long work and for pioneering a new vocabulary in creativity so significant that they have changed the face of world culture. See http://www.worldleadersfestival.com/ for details). ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:35:56 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: re a place where you don't spit > Did I miss something? > > "In the seated area for VIPs sat Mitchell's husband, daughter, grandchildren > and manager, as well as Canadian film directors Norman Jewison and David > Croenenberg. "It's a warm support group," Mitchell later told the press. " > http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/rolls/20011019/en/canada_honors_joni_1.ht ml > Husband? Did anybody else play the trivia game? The only question I missed was the one about which Shakespeare play 'I am as constant as a northern star' came from. Having majored in theatre and being a Joni fan, I *should* have known the answer to that one. I even added a trivia question of my own that RS should appreciate! I noticed somebody named Smurfy wrote one. Now who could that be, I wonder? Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:38:31 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni und Robert Plant?? > 'Which group of men did Joni have a romance with' ..........Robert Plant. > > > I don't ever remember seeing or reading anything about this? I haven't come > across it in the Karen O'Brien book (which to me really IS the definitive) > > Did the questionner get it wrong? I wondered about this myself. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:44:04 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell.com has updates for you!!! > Jim Johanson has given us some of the highlights of last evenings Hommage > program. Go to Jonimitchell.com He'll be telling us more soon along with some > great pictures I'm sure... > Thanks for the heads up, Rose! I've got shivers just from reading the little bit that Jim has written. What a night that must have been! Ok Coyote Rick, Jimmy! Cough it up! We want every juicy little detail! Now I am really psyched for these new cds to come out! Mark E very happy for our list attendees ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:38:27 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: movies NJC Kakki wrote "I am not surprised New Zealand is looking more appealing than ever now. Careful what you wish for Hell!! ;-)" Speaking of safer other places...saw the trailer for the new movie with Kevin Spacey & Jeff Bridges called..(something) Pax...looked interesting... Last night we saw Hearts in Atlantis...really sweet movie...I loved it. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 09:38:28 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills (NJC) Had a friend suffering from mental illness...unfortunately she stopped taking her medication & did the final act...leaving behind three beautiful daughters...really tragic... I am very impressed Colin, that you were able to deal with your stuff through therapy & not need drugs... This is one subject where I think everyone is right. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:11:13 EDT From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills (NJC) In a message dated 10/20/01 9:58:08 AM, kate@katebennett.com writes: >Had a friend suffering from mental illness...unfortunately she stopped >taking her medication & did the final act...leaving behind three beautiful >daughters...really tragic... that's very sad. I feel really bad for her daughters. that's got to be tough. I have occasionally heard parents with severe mental illness say that their children would be better off without them. fortunately I get the feeling they really don't mean it. mary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:15:48 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: re a place where you don't spit (NJC) In a message dated 10/20/01 11:37:21 AM, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << I noticed somebody named Smurfy wrote one. Now who could that be, I wonder? >> As Shaggy said, "It wasn't me." Also, this Smurf spells his or her name 'Smurfie', which is a totally different clan. Thanks for pointing it out, Mark. Now I am going to spend the day wondering how there can be two Joni fans with Smurf names. Maybe it has something to do with being *blue*! Or maybe I just haven't discovered yet that Ashara calls everyone Smurfy, like Zsa Zsa Gabor calls everyone Darlink! --Bob --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:33:03 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs with "Fuck" in the lyrics In a message dated 10/20/01 9:24:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: > I've been wondering what the first song was that had the word "Fuck" in > it. Before Pink Floyd's "Speak to me" there was Joni's "Woman of heart and > mind" and before that was Jefferson Airplane's "We can be together".Were > there any songs before that? > Louie, Louie by the Kingsmen, though the lyrics are very hard to understand. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:40:11 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni sings with Eric Anderson in folk club Was anybody there???? From the Toronto Globe and Mail: Late Wednesday [Joni] paid a surprise visit, accompanied by her daughter, Kilauren Gibb, to Hugh's Room, a Toronto folk club, and sang a duet with her old pal, Eric Andersen. The tune was Andersen's classic Blue River, which she recorded with him almost 30 years ago. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:51:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Press Release That's an awesome release, Kate...congratulations in advance for all your hard work in putting the event together! Fingers crossed that a certain someone with straw hat & American Spirit cigarette shows up! ;~) Bob NP: Gregg Cagno, "Thunderstorms" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:18:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: What's playing on joni's cd player?... Hi everyone Beside musicians that are her friends, what does Joni listen to when her home stereo's on? Love to know. Nuri _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 19:26:56 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: NJC The Language of Women Festival 2001 (U.K.) This may be of interest to some of you U.K. listers. Highlights of this weeks festival in East Grinstead, West Sussex. Sunday 21st October 2001 Barb Jungr Barb Jungr the Queen of Cabaret brings her show Red Roses, Blue Ladies - The songs women write and sing to take part in this unique festival. Britains foremost chansonnier and cabarettist, a Perrier Award Winner, she enthrals audiences with her powerful performances fusing extraordinary singing, humour and passion. In this show she features songs by Nina Simone, Tina Turner, Dory Previn, Lena Horne, Carole King, Judy Collins and many more. Move over Ute Lemper? The Times Cabarets best kept secret London Evening Standard www.jungr.com Tuesday 23rd October 2001 Cheryl Beer Ivor Novello nominee and Acoustic Artist of the year for 99/00, Cheryl Beer, who has been heralded as The New Tracy Chapman comes to us as part of a national tour. Cheryl brings her unique brand of contemporary urban folk and roots music straight from the heart and is a gifted songwriter with pieces that would not be out of place among your JONI MITCHELL collection or next to your Alanis Morisette. With a voice as smooth as chocolate and the kind of vocal agility that makes hairs stand up on the back of your neck, she uses her lyrical genius to enchant and captivate her audience, leaving you feeling as though she has always known you. Cheryl has recently returned from a song writing stay in India where she has been working with orphaned children to produce new work and experience eastern musical influences  her humming and strumming adventure as she calls it! www.cherylbeer.co.uk Thursday 25th October 2001 Julie Felix This shining light in the music business returns again to Chequer Mead as one of our major names in the festival. Julie Felix, the mother of folk and acoustic music is an international artist of great distinction. Remembered alongside such giants as Bob Dylan, Tom Paxton and Joan Baez, her pure and powerful voice, rich in warmth and humour, delights audiences everywhere. Her works reflect the experience and integrity of a lifetime committed to music. An evening with Julie is a genuinely memorable experience! Visit www.juliefelix.com for more info. Friday 26th October 2001 Kiki Dee & Carmelo Ruggieri Famed for her duet with Elton John in the 70s, Kiki is still going strong and brings us her well-honed creations from 12 years of experimentation finding a unique blend of eastern and western music styles that inspires and delights. The collaboration of Kiki Dee and Carmelo Luggeri brings together their eclectic backgrounds from the worlds of soul, pop and rock and results in an acoustic act that pushes the boundaries and takes the listener on a journey through the emotions. Their music expresses a real authenticity about who they are, where theyre at and what they want to say. Almost two hours of versatility that her chart years only hinted at. The Times www.kikidee.co.uk Sounds great! I'd be VERY surprised if Kiki doesn't sing some Joni. Full details at: http://www.chequermead.org.uk/artists/lang.htm (Don't go in through the main page - broken link). Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 11:32:18 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Gillian Welch on KCRW - NJC Gillian Welch will give a live in studio performance tomorrow on the KCRW show, Sounds Eclectic. The show is at 6pm pacific time and there is a live stream on the web site. http://www.soundseclectic.com Brenda n.p.: KCRW - Good Food ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:45:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Songs with "Fuck" in the lyrics - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Louie, Louie by the Kingsmen, though the lyrics are > very hard to understand. What ARE the lyrics, apart from "Loo-eh, loo-eye, whoa baby, we gotta go?" (at least that's what it sounds like to me.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:11:21 EDT From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: Re: Songs with "Fuck" in the lyrics Before the Airplane, Grace Slick sang with The Great Society and recorded "Father Bruce," a tribute to Lenny Bruce, which ends with a loud "FUCK!" There's a live version from 1985 or 1967 on an old Great Society/Grace Slick collection. Speaking of Ms. Slick, did anyone catch her reunion with the Jefferson Starship at a Long Beach benefit for the victims of the September 11 tragedy? Grace, who will be 62 this month, wandered out on stage disguised from head to toe in one of those horrible outfits that Afghani women are forced to wear. She shook her head at the loud musicians, displayed shock at the mini-skirt on the Starship's lead singer, checked out her daughter China Slick Kantner's boobs and then tore off the disguise, revealing an American flag covering her front and a sign on her back that read "Fuck Fear." She explained it all succinctly pointing to the robe and saying: "This is not about Islam; this is about oppression." Pointing to the American flag she said, "This is not about politics; this is about liberty." Then she joined in with Paul Kantner, Marty Balin and the rest of the band on "Wooden Ships" and "Volunteers," later welcoming some firefighters on the stage. White hair and all, it's good to know Grace is as outrageous as ever. In a message dated 10/20/2001 9:24:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: I've been wondering what the first song was that had the word "Fuck" in it. Before Pink Floyd's "Speak to me" there was Joni's "Woman of heart and mind" and before that was Jefferson Airplane's "We can be together".Were there any songs before that? >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:27:32 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Songs with "Fuck" in the lyrics > Speaking of Ms. Slick, did anyone catch her reunion with the Jefferson > Starship at a Long Beach benefit for the victims of the September 11 tragedy? > Grace, who will be 62 this month, wandered out on stage disguised from head > to toe in one of those horrible outfits that Afghani women are forced to > wear. She shook her head at the loud musicians, displayed shock at the > mini-skirt on the Starship's lead singer, checked out her daughter China > Slick Kantner's boobs and then tore off the disguise, revealing an American > flag covering her front and a sign on her back that read "Fuck Fear." She > explained it all succinctly pointing to the robe and saying: "This is not > about Islam; this is about oppression." Pointing to the American flag she > said, "This is not about politics; this is about liberty." Then she joined > in with Paul Kantner, Marty Balin and the rest of the band on "Wooden Ships" > and "Volunteers," > later welcoming some firefighters on the stage. White hair and all, it's > good to know Grace is as outrageous as ever. This just made my day! You go, Grace! So she's not covering up the gray these days. Good for her! Mark E. long time Grace Slick fan ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #500 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?