From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #492 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 492 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) [Coyote4Joni@a] Today in Joni History: October 17 [les@jmdl.com] Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) [Coyote4Joni@a] Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) [Coyote4Joni@a] Re: Scary thing happened at work today njc [colin ] Sorry [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: Scary thing happened at work today njc [colin ] Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills? [colin ] RE: Editorial by Barbara Kingsolver NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) ["hell" ] Advisory on Suspicious Mail - not a joke (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Clouds, Gallery,... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: NORAD (njc) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: IRA njc [colin ] Re: Clouds, Gallery,... [RoseMJoy@aol.com] JM Biography (NJC, really) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Clouds, Gallery,... ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Clouds, Gallery,... [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Today in Joni History: October 17 San Remo ["Leslie Ross" ] Vanity Fair Cover Photo Url (Pic of Joni) [mann@chicagonet.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:04:00 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) Dear Correspondents: Tonight, JMDLer Jimmy Stewart from Fort Myers, FL and I attended Canada's tribute to Joni's music. It was absolutely fantastic for someone who appreciates excellent music, not to mention dyed in the wool Joni fans such as Jimmy and I. I'll just start off by saying we thought it was even better than the TNT tribute done some time ago. I'll get to the setlist and JimmyRick critique in a minute but first would like to describe the venue. It is a small theatre (the Premiere Dance Theatre) seating maybe 300 people in the Harbourfront district. The acoustics were perfect and there were no bad seats, even with open seating. The theatre is located on the 3rd floor of a huge, lovely office/retail complex located on the waterfront. It appears to be the adaptive reuse of a large, old maritime building, but I'll leave that to the residents of this part of Canada to verify. To use the word classy is to understate the atmosphere of the evening. Joni would be so damn proud of her country men and women's work. Musical Director, Aaron Davis put together an evening rivaling that of the most celebrated Hollywood or New York counterpart. Our quick count showed about 200 people in attendance. Okay, now let's start the music. The tribute opened with the introduction of the band which was so amazing in their perfection they deserve credit here (as introduced): Rob Piltch on guitar, Kevin Breit on lead guitar and strings, George Koller on bass, Mark Kelso on drums (man, you should see this guy in the flesh!), John Johnson on woodwinds, and as mentioned Aaron Davis (soon to be musical director of Holly Cole's European tour) as musical director and playing keyboards. The first singer was Suzie Vinnick, whose new release ThirtyThree Stars is due soon. Suzie first sang a riveting WOODSTOCK in a style similar to that JM would employ. She has a very sweet, soulful voice. I felt a Melissa Ethridge quality. She followed this up with her swinging version of BIG YELLOW TAXI. This included a sax highlight by John Johnson which was wonderful. She played acoustic guitar and had a large following in the audience. What a start! Next we moved to Jimmy's favorite, the sultry Rebecca Jenkins - Michelle Phfieffer (sp) look-a-like with the voice of Allanis Morriset (sp). Her first task was FOR FREE which was stunning - especially the finish which was about two minutes of an enchanting REAL GOOD refrain. Blew us all away. She moved to another stunning rendition of MORGANTOWN which was mystical with back-up singer David Sereda (best left on back-up, but more of that in a minute). In this, John Johnson performed a clarinet solo which was as mystical as Rebecca's interpretation of MORGANTOWN. Our next delight was Tuku, an African-American woman with a Chaka Kahn appeal (and dred locks (sp)) wearing a beautiful camouflage dress. Her voice was that of a soft Lauren Hill. Tuku's first number was WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND which was backed up by heavy drums, percussion, bass, and piano. After much applause, she moved to ALL I WANT which featured a cool clarinet solo, heavy drums, electric guitar, and piano accompaniment. She finished this with a stylized "FREE" refrain, again for about two minutes. You can't fathom how many ways that word can be sung -- it was astonisinhg. Next up was the aforementioned David Sereda. David is an absolute fan of JM. He has a show at the Stray Dog Salon here in Toronto called Joni Nights. He has also written an opera called the "Twelve Minute Opera." He is a very talented musician with a highly trained, pure voice probably more suitable for Broadway than that of this venue. His first number was HEJIRA. He hit every note perfectly, but it sounded as if it were an excerpt from a perfectly executed Broadway show than a tribute to JM. Think Joel Gray in looks in a Sondheim production. I was disappointed in his next number A CASE OF YOU which he did perfectly but without the commitment I think a woman brings to the song. In fact, Jimmy and I said a man should never sing that song and we hope it never happens again in our lifetime. David is a great guy and I loved that he said Joni's music is words in love with music and harmonies in love with melodies. It's a perfect foursome. Glad that was over, the next performer was the redeemer Martina Sorbara who starts a US tour very soon. She chose Rebecca Jenkins as her back-up on CAREY! WOW! It was amazing the fun they had and how well they sang this song. Martina is totally cool in her parachute pants exposing her naval ring. She was the first that made CAREY sound brand new with a Dance Club remix soon to follow. Again with Jenkins she did HOW DO YOU STOP - again young, current, and totally a tune of 2001. The band was a bit loud and maybe overpowered her at times -- but it was still an incredible performance. Intermission was next. Here's a thought from Jimmy: If we think we are the only ardent JM fans, folks, we are wrong. These kids (for the most part) can put us all to shame. Back to our seats. Songwriter Mark Jordan is up next -- he looked as if he has been up for three days and let Bob Dylan do his hair. He may write songs for Rod Stewart, Cher, Kennny Loggins, and Natalie Cole, but this guy can also sing. He did BSN in a jazzy manner followed by MICHAEL FROM MOUNTAINS in a more traditional manner. He used printed music for both (unlike everyone else, except one) accompanied by light piano and drums. It was a totally unplugged performance and quite nice. Boy, if that was acoustic -- we weren't ready for Ember Swift! She's Toronto's lead singer of the year and a well deserved title. This girl is beautiful and has the voice of a hardened angel. Kinda punk. She started with a personal tribute to JM admiring her huge influence on women in music. To paraphrase, she noted JM's statement that JM does what she wants to do and is not a feminist. She made music as a musician genderless. YEAH! She did a nearly PUNK version of LESSON IN SURVIVAL followed by a very jazzed version of DRY CLEANER FROM DES MOINES. Wow! She even (for lack of a better word) imitated the sound of a trombone throughout the song -- it was amazing and blew the audience away. Watch this girl. I bought her CD. Then they brought on Jane Siberry, a Canadian (?) treasure. Certainly the most well-known and maybe most anticipated act of then night. Well, what can we say? We know she did Joni's Jazz and she has a lot of fans on the JMDL. But, she was just mediocre tonight. Certainly she has a very nice voice, but she didn't seem connected to the music and like Mr. Jordan, used printed music to lead her through her set. It was more like a recital than the other artists we saw. On a bitchy note, Jimmy thought she looked like Meryl Streep in Death Becomes Her in terms of her appearance. Nuff said. Oh yeah, she sang SISOTOWBELL LANE and an unemotional AMELIA. Guess we all have our bad nights. Then we had Emm Gryner, who toured (or will tour?) with Bowie and has done her sixth album for an independent label. Oh man, you guys should have heard this. She did LITTLE GREEN - just her and the piano. Then she called Tuku on stage to back her up for HELP ME. Get the hell out of the way Wynnona and k.d.! This is the only song of the night that the audience applauded when it started. Good old POP 40 stuff. I have NEVER heard a better interpretation. It left my heart pounding. Well, that was it -- except for the finale. All gather back on stage except "the stars," Jordan and Siberry for SHADOWS AND LIGHT. A perfect song for the finale. It was a bit awkward, but all pulled it off beautifully and left the crowd to a standing ovation. Jimmy and I were so happy to have been there. It was one of those events that happen so rarely for fans of an obscure, yet enduring artist. Our only regret was that more of us from the JMDL weren't there to share in this joy. (Please excuse typos and misspellings -- it's late, but we were committed to making this post before bedtime.) No regrets, Coyote Rick (and Jimmy) Casa Alegre (actually Executive Apartments) Hollywood, California (actually T.O.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:04:03 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: October 17 On October 17 in Joni Mitchell History: 1988: Joni performs at the San Remo Songfest in Italy. 1990: (from Wally's bio page): [Today,] the L.A. Theater Center began previews of a revue type show that featured 5 singers (3 women and 2 men) performing the songs of Joni Mitchell with a five piece band. The most well known of the singers was 2 time Tony winner Hinton Battle. Calling itself "The Joni Mitchell Project" the Jacques Brel style show was directed by David Schweizer and played for three months at L.A.T.C. Joni's then manager Barry Krost was a member of the Theater Center board of trustees. A few days after the official opening on November 1, Joni herself showed up for the show and was persuaded to sing a new song. Joni told Musician magazine about her visit to LATC: "I went to hear the Joni Mitchell Project, this revue that did some of my songs. They called me up and I did "Cherokee Louise" acapella, dancing to keep the groove. I'm coming up on the rape scene and I'm, like, highly mirthful. But it came off because people get feelings from it. Every time you sin! g it you don't relive it." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/JMProject90.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:12:11 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) Dear Correspondents: Tonight, JMDLer Jimmy Stewart from Fort Myers, FL and I attended Canada's tribute to Joni's music. It was absolutely fantastic for someone who appreciates excellent music, not to mention dyed in the wool Joni fans such as Jimmy and I. I'll just start off by saying we thought it was even better than the TNT tribute done some time ago. I'll get to the setlist and JimmyRick critique in a minute but first would like to describe the venue. It is a small theatre (the Premiere Dance Theatre) seating maybe 300 people in the Harbourfront district. The acoustics were perfect and there were no bad seats, even with open seating. The theatre is located on the 3rd floor of a huge, lovely office/retail complex located on the waterfront. It appears to be the adaptive reuse of a large, old maritime building, but I'll leave that to the residents of this part of Canada to verify. To use the word classy is to understate the atmosphere of the evening. Joni would be so damn proud of her country men and women's work. Musical Director, Aaron Davis put together an evening rivaling that of the most celebrated Hollywood or New York counterpart. Our quick count showed about 200 people in attendance. Okay, now let's start the music. The tribute opened with the introduction of the band which was so amazing in their perfection they deserve credit here (as introduced): Rob Piltch on guitar, Kevin Breit on lead guitar and strings, George Koller on bass, Mark Kelso on drums (man, you should see this guy in the flesh!), John Johnson on woodwinds, and as mentioned Aaron Davis (soon to be musical director of Holly Cole's European tour) as musical director and playing keyboards. The first singer was Suzie Vinnick, whose new release ThirtyThree Stars is due soon. Suzie first sang a riveting WOODSTOCK in a style similar to that JM would employ. She has a very sweet, soulful voice. I felt a Melissa Ethridge quality. She followed this up with her swinging version of BIG YELLOW TAXI. This included a sax highlight by John Johnson which was wonderful. She played acoustic guitar and had a large following in the audience. What a start! Next we moved to Jimmy's favorite, the sultry Rebecca Jenkins - Michelle Phfieffer (sp) look-a-like with the voice of Allanis Morriset (sp). Her first task was FOR FREE which was stunning - especially the finish which was about two minutes of an enchanting REAL GOOD refrain. Blew us all away. She moved to another stunning rendition of MORGANTOWN which was mystical with back-up singer David Sereda (best left on back-up, but more of that in a minute). In this, John Johnson performed a clarinet solo which was as mystical as Rebecca's interpretation of MORGANTOWN. Our next delight was Tuku, an African-American woman with a Chaka Kahn appeal (and dred locks (sp)) wearing a beautiful camouflage dress. Her voice was that of a soft Lauren Hill. Tuku's first number was WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND which was backed up by heavy drums, percussion, bass, and piano. After much applause, she moved to ALL I WANT which featured a cool clarinet solo, heavy drums, electric guitar, and piano accompaniment. She finished this with a stylized "FREE" refrain, again for about two minutes. You can't fathom how many ways that word can be sung -- it was astonisinhg. Next up was the aforementioned David Sereda. David is an absolute fan of JM. He has a show at the Stray Dog Salon here in Toronto called Joni Nights. He has also written an opera called the "Twelve Minute Opera." He is a very talented musician with a highly trained, pure voice probably more suitable for Broadway than that of this venue. His first number was HEJIRA. He hit every note perfectly, but it sounded as if it were an excerpt from a perfectly executed Broadway show than a tribute to JM. Think Joel Gray in looks in a Sondheim production. I was disappointed in his next number A CASE OF YOU which he did perfectly but without the commitment I think a woman brings to the song. In fact, Jimmy and I said a man should never sing that song and we hope it never happens again in our lifetime. David is a great guy and I loved that he said Joni's music is words in love with music and harmonies in love with melodies. It's a perfect foursome. Glad that was over, the next performer was the redeemer Martina Sorbara who starts a US tour very soon. She chose Rebecca Jenkins as her back-up on CAREY! WOW! It was amazing the fun they had and how well they sang this song. Martina is totally cool in her parachute pants exposing her naval ring. She was the first that made CAREY sound brand new with a Dance Club remix soon to follow. Again with Jenkins she did HOW DO YOU STOP - again young, current, and totally a tune of 2001. The band was a bit loud and maybe overpowered her at times -- but it was still an incredible performance. Intermission was next. Here's a thought from Jimmy: If we think we are the only ardent JM fans, folks, we are wrong. These kids (for the most part) can put us all to shame. Back to our seats. Songwriter Mark Jordan is up next -- he looked as if he has been up for three days and let Bob Dylan do his hair. He may write songs for Rod Stewart, Cher, Kennny Loggins, and Natalie Cole, but this guy can also sing. He did BSN in a jazzy manner followed by MICHAEL FROM MOUNTAINS in a more traditional manner. He used printed music for both (unlike everyone else, except one) accompanied by light piano and drums. It was a totally unplugged performance and quite nice. Boy, if that was acoustic -- we weren't ready for Ember Swift! She's Toronto's lead singer of the year and a well deserved title. This girl is beautiful and has the voice of a hardened angel. Kinda punk. She started with a personal tribute to JM admiring her huge influence on women in music. To paraphrase, she noted JM's statement that JM does what she wants to do and is not a feminist. She made music as a musician genderless. YEAH! She did a nearly PUNK version of LESSON IN SURVIVAL followed by a very jazzed version of DRY CLEANER FROM DES MOINES. Wow! She even (for lack of a better word) imitated the sound of a trombone throughout the song -- it was amazing and blew the audience away. Watch this girl. I bought her CD. Then they brought on Jane Siberry, a Canadian (?) treasure. Certainly the most well-known and maybe most anticipated act of then night. Well, what can we say? We know she did Joni's Jazz and she has a lot of fans on the JMDL. But, she was just mediocre tonight. Certainly she has a very nice voice, but she didn't seem connected to the music and like Mr. Jordan, used printed music to lead her through her set. It was more like a recital than the other artists we saw. On a bitchy note, Jimmy thought she looked like Meryl Streep in Death Becomes Her in terms of her appearance. Nuff said. Oh yeah, she sang SISOTOWBELL LANE and an unemotional AMELIA. Guess we all have our bad nights. Then we had Emm Gryner, who toured (or will tour?) with Bowie and has done her sixth album for an independent label. Oh man, you guys should have heard this. She did LITTLE GREEN - just her and the piano. Then she called Tuku on stage to back her up for HELP ME. Get the hell out of the way Wynnona and k.d.! This is the only song of the night that the audience applauded when it started. Good old POP 40 stuff. I have NEVER heard a better interpretation. It left my heart pounding. Well, that was it -- except for the finale. All gather back on stage except "the stars," Jordan and Siberry for SHADOWS AND LIGHT. A perfect song for the finale. It was a bit awkward, but all pulled it off beautifully and left the crowd to a standing ovation. Jimmy and I were so happy to have been there. It was one of those events that happen so rarely for fans of an obscure, yet enduring artist. Our only regret was that more of us from the JMDL weren't there to share in this joy. (Please excuse typos and misspellings -- it's late, but we were committed to making this post before bedtime.) No regrets, Coyote Rick (and Jimmy) Casa Alegre (actually Executive Apartments) Hollywood, California (actually T.O.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:12:56 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) Dear Correspondents: Tonight, JMDLer Jimmy Stewart from Fort Myers, FL and I attended Canada's tribute to Joni's music. It was absolutely fantastic for someone who appreciates excellent music, not to mention dyed in the wool Joni fans such as Jimmy and I. I'll just start off by saying we thought it was even better than the TNT tribute done some time ago. I'll get to the setlist and JimmyRick critique in a minute but first would like to describe the venue. It is a small theatre (the Premiere Dance Theatre) seating maybe 300 people in the Harbourfront district. The acoustics were perfect and there were no bad seats, even with open seating. The theatre is located on the 3rd floor of a huge, lovely office/retail complex located on the waterfront. It appears to be the adaptive reuse of a large, old maritime building, but I'll leave that to the residents of this part of Canada to verify. To use the word classy is to understate the atmosphere of the evening. Joni would be so damn proud of her country men and women's work. Musical Director, Aaron Davis put together an evening rivaling that of the most celebrated Hollywood or New York counterpart. Our quick count showed about 200 people in attendance. Okay, now let's start the music. The tribute opened with the introduction of the band which was so amazing in their perfection they deserve credit here (as introduced): Rob Piltch on guitar, Kevin Breit on lead guitar and strings, George Koller on bass, Mark Kelso on drums (man, you should see this guy in the flesh!), John Johnson on woodwinds, and as mentioned Aaron Davis (soon to be musical director of Holly Cole's European tour) as musical director and playing keyboards. The first singer was Suzie Vinnick, whose new release ThirtyThree Stars is due soon. Suzie first sang a riveting WOODSTOCK in a style similar to that JM would employ. She has a very sweet, soulful voice. I felt a Melissa Ethridge quality. She followed this up with her swinging version of BIG YELLOW TAXI. This included a sax highlight by John Johnson which was wonderful. She played acoustic guitar and had a large following in the audience. What a start! Next we moved to Jimmy's favorite, the sultry Rebecca Jenkins - Michelle Phfieffer (sp) look-a-like with the voice of Allanis Morriset (sp). Her first task was FOR FREE which was stunning - especially the finish which was about two minutes of an enchanting REAL GOOD refrain. Blew us all away. She moved to another stunning rendition of MORGANTOWN which was mystical with back-up singer David Sereda (best left on back-up, but more of that in a minute). In this, John Johnson performed a clarinet solo which was as mystical as Rebecca's interpretation of MORGANTOWN. Our next delight was Tuku, an African-American woman with a Chaka Kahn appeal (and dred locks (sp)) wearing a beautiful camouflage dress. Her voice was that of a soft Lauren Hill. Tuku's first number was WOMAN OF HEART AND MIND which was backed up by heavy drums, percussion, bass, and piano. After much applause, she moved to ALL I WANT which featured a cool clarinet solo, heavy drums, electric guitar, and piano accompaniment. She finished this with a stylized "FREE" refrain, again for about two minutes. You can't fathom how many ways that word can be sung -- it was astonisinhg. Next up was the aforementioned David Sereda. David is an absolute fan of JM. He has a show at the Stray Dog Salon here in Toronto called Joni Nights. He has also written an opera called the "Twelve Minute Opera." He is a very talented musician with a highly trained, pure voice probably more suitable for Broadway than that of this venue. His first number was HEJIRA. He hit every note perfectly, but it sounded as if it were an excerpt from a perfectly executed Broadway show than a tribute to JM. Think Joel Gray in looks in a Sondheim production. I was disappointed in his next number A CASE OF YOU which he did perfectly but without the commitment I think a woman brings to the song. In fact, Jimmy and I said a man should never sing that song and we hope it never happens again in our lifetime. David is a great guy and I loved that he said Joni's music is words in love with music and harmonies in love with melodies. It's a perfect foursome. Glad that was over, the next performer was the redeemer Martina Sorbara who starts a US tour very soon. She chose Rebecca Jenkins as her back-up on CAREY! WOW! It was amazing the fun they had and how well they sang this song. Martina is totally cool in her parachute pants exposing her naval ring. She was the first that made CAREY sound brand new with a Dance Club remix soon to follow. Again with Jenkins she did HOW DO YOU STOP - again young, current, and totally a tune of 2001. The band was a bit loud and maybe overpowered her at times -- but it was still an incredible performance. Intermission was next. Here's a thought from Jimmy: If we think we are the only ardent JM fans, folks, we are wrong. These kids (for the most part) can put us all to shame. Back to our seats. Songwriter Mark Jordan is up next -- he looked as if he has been up for three days and let Bob Dylan do his hair. He may write songs for Rod Stewart, Cher, Kennny Loggins, and Natalie Cole, but this guy can also sing. He did BSN in a jazzy manner followed by MICHAEL FROM MOUNTAINS in a more traditional manner. He used printed music for both (unlike everyone else, except one) accompanied by light piano and drums. It was a totally unplugged performance and quite nice. Boy, if that was acoustic -- we weren't ready for Ember Swift! She's Toronto's lead singer of the year and a well deserved title. This girl is beautiful and has the voice of a hardened angel. Kinda punk. She started with a personal tribute to JM admiring her huge influence on women in music. To paraphrase, she noted JM's statement that JM does what she wants to do and is not a feminist. She made music as a musician genderless. YEAH! She did a nearly PUNK version of LESSON IN SURVIVAL followed by a very jazzed version of DRY CLEANER FROM DES MOINES. Wow! She even (for lack of a better word) imitated the sound of a trombone throughout the song -- it was amazing and blew the audience away. Watch this girl. I bought her CD. Then they brought on Jane Siberry, a Canadian (?) treasure. Certainly the most well-known and maybe most anticipated act of then night. Well, what can we say? We know she did Joni's Jazz and she has a lot of fans on the JMDL. But, she was just mediocre tonight. Certainly she has a very nice voice, but she didn't seem connected to the music and like Mr. Jordan, used printed music to lead her through her set. It was more like a recital than the other artists we saw. On a bitchy note, Jimmy thought she looked like Meryl Streep in Death Becomes Her in terms of her appearance. Nuff said. Oh yeah, she sang SISOTOWBELL LANE and an unemotional AMELIA. Guess we all have our bad nights. Then we had Emm Gryner, who toured (or will tour?) with Bowie and has done her sixth album for an independent label. Oh man, you guys should have heard this. She did LITTLE GREEN - just her and the piano. Then she called Tuku on stage to back her up for HELP ME. Get the hell out of the way Wynnona and k.d.! This is the only song of the night that the audience applauded when it started. Good old POP 40 stuff. I have NEVER heard a better interpretation. It left my heart pounding. Well, that was it -- except for the finale. All gather back on stage except "the stars," Jordan and Siberry for SHADOWS AND LIGHT. A perfect song for the finale. It was a bit awkward, but all pulled it off beautifully and left the crowd to a standing ovation. Jimmy and I were so happy to have been there. It was one of those events that happen so rarely for fans of an obscure, yet enduring artist. Our only regret was that more of us from the JMDL weren't there to share in this joy. (Please excuse typos and misspellings -- it's late, but we were committed to making this post before bedtime.) No regrets, Coyote Rick (and Jimmy) Casa Alegre (actually Executive Apartments) Hollywood, California (actually T.O.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:57:54 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Scary thing happened at work today njc I'd be scared stupid, Catherine. Lets hope this is a false alarm. colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 03:48:55 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Sorry Hey guys, we were in AOL hell for a while and noticed that very long post may have been sent two or more times. Apologies for the digest length - we were scared the whole thing was lost and didn't know AOL had sent it already. No regrets, (OK, maybe that I have AOL) Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:02:08 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Scary thing happened at work today njc I asked John whether he opened his mail at work. No, someone else opens all his mail.Phew! Selfish, I know but I am glad he doesn't open his mail. He(his org) has been a target before. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:12:12 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills? > unfortunately, you can't just *stop* taking the damn > things, or you'll end up with a whole mess of trouble, > including dizzy spells, headaches, nausea, the list > goes on. getting off tranx is not easy. the withdrawal is the worst. it MUST be done slowly. Seizures can be one of the withdrawal effects if not done slowly. I withdrew from 15mg a day of valium by 1 mg a week. ie took 14mg a day for a week then 13mg etc etc etc The worst thing about valium is that you start to get withdrawal symptoms whilst you are on the same dose-your body gets hooked very very quickly - in as little as two weeks. Drs who ware ignorant of it's effects, prescribe higher doses when the patirent complains of still feeling anxiety when in fact it is the drug casuing it. Getting off was hell. other drugs for my Bipolar have caused me liver trouble(cirrhosis) and heart probelms. Which is why I refuse to take meds now. Many drugs, especially the psych drugs, cause bad side effects-some casue brain damage and the damage can be permanent. I don't think people fulyy understand the eeffect of these drugs nor the suffering they cause to the person taking them. If they did, they might not clamour for people with mental health probs to take them. eevn the modern antui depressants like Prozac have serious side effects in some people. > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:35:55 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC- Get Coffee) What a night! Thank you for sharing it with us. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:17:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Stevie Nicks njc Thanks for posting her diary Hell. Earlier tonight I was watching part of the Never Ending Story on TV & thinking the very same thing about the nothing...& saw the part where his horse sank into the mud because of sadness... "There is still a dead calm that you arent aware of, really, until you go out. Everyone is sad, the whole world is sad. It is like in The Never Ending Story, when the people run into the NOTHING, that is trying to take over the world  just a big dark empty space where nothing isThat is what will become of us if we dont get back on the horse~" Stevie Nicks http://www.nicksfix.com/stevies_journal.htm ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:17:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Editorial by Barbara Kingsolver NJC wow. thanks so much for sending this marian...as you can imagine i relate to what she so elequently wrote...btw, i have been meaning to read her books as i have heard so much praise...which book do you recommend i start with? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:02:48 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Editorial by Barbara Kingsolver NJC On 17 October 2001 10:18, Kate Bennett [SMTP:kate@katebennett.com] wrote: > wow. thanks so much for sending this marian...as you can imagine i relate to > what she so elequently wrote...btw, i have been meaning to read her books as > i have heard so much praise...which book do you recommend i start with? Definitely start with Animal Dreams!!! Such a beautiful book. I like the Bean Trees and Pigs In Heaven, too. Glad you liked her article! Love, Marian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:09:12 +0100 From: Subject: Re: IRA njc Mike Pritchard wrote > The US govt has on occasions refused to > extradite people wanted by the British govt for terrorist activities, > accepting the argument that the person wanted by the Brits had been engaged in > a 'legitimate conflict'. Judge Sprizzo, delivered this verdict in 1986 in New > York, Judges make decisions based on law. Are you saying the judge should have disregarded the law and handed the man over just because Britain said so ? Britain's appalling record on human rights may have been a factor the judge had to consider (Britain was found guilty by an international court of torturing innocent citizens in Northern Ireland). Britain's disgraced legal system may also not have helped their case. The 80's was the time when the world became aware of innocent Northern Irish citizens banged up in British prisons for crimes they did not commit, based on confessions they were beaten into making. Lord Denning's "appalling vista" if you will. For background on this see the film In The Name Of The Father starring Daniel Day Lewis and Emma Thompson. > Doherty was visited in prison by > Cardinal O'Connor of NYC and the Irish Cardinal O'Fiach. Not sure what point you are making here. Are you saying that prisioners should not be allowed visits ? In this case a prisoner who had not been convicted of any crime. Terrorism and violence are abhorrent as far as I'm concerned. Northern Ireland is as legitimately and legally a part of Britain as Surrey The vast majority of people in Ireland, including me, wish it to remain so. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 22:55:51 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) Coyote Rick wrote: > Dear Correspondents: > > Tonight, JMDLer Jimmy Stewart from Fort Myers, FL and I attended Canada's > tribute to Joni's music. It was absolutely fantastic for someone who > appreciates excellent music, not to mention dyed in the wool Joni fans such > as Jimmy and I. I'll just start off by saying we thought it was even better > than the TNT tribute done some time ago. Wow - what a night! Thanks for posting so promptly, Rick - even if I did get it four times! It was definitely worth reading four times! Hell P.S. Hi Jimmy! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 06:17:54 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Ireland (NJC) Thanks so much to Mike, Rob and Garret for their illuminating and balanced posts concerning the "Irish topic". It's virtually impossible for anyone living in the UK, never mind any other part of the world, to understand the complex problems regarding Ireland, how they came about or how to solve them and personally, I've never even visited Ireland, North or South. However, what the many years of conflict and intolerance should surely demonstrate to us is the danger and futility of retaliation. Why haven't we learnt a lesson? Thanks also to Marian for posting the Sunday Times Article which made so much sense to me. Jacky "How many deaths does it take til we learn That too many people have died" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 19:50:34 +0800 From: "joniphile" Subject: Re: Doctor's pills give you brand new ills? Dear all, Wow, I got a LOT of welcome emails since my first post. It seems that quite a few of you are no stranger to the nightmares of tranquilizers. Thanks to those who gave me their encouragement and advice. Now that I am out of lurking mode, I guess I should declare myself as a huge joni fan for almost 15 years. I regret to say that I still have not had the pleasure of seeing her perform live. It's hard to pick my favourite album, they include FOR THE ROSES, HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS, HEJIRA, DON JUAN'S RECKLESS DAUGHTER, NIGHT RIDE HOME and TURBULENT INDIGO. I really miss Joni's acoustic guitar playing, and I hope she would play some in her forthcoming orchestral project. There had been quite a few classical concertos written for the guitar. I think it will sound most beautiful. Someone asked me what do I think the oddest Joni song is. Hmm.... "Smokin' (Empty, Try Another)"? Is that odd enough? Justin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:20:10 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: What song? Hi, Mary, I think my favorite lyric, and overall song, is Jericho, although there are a lot of competitors -- and now there are six new songs for me to learn since Ashara last night gave me a copy of the Couriers Folk Club Appearance! Gotta run -- my main squeeze, Robert, is about to land at the Providence airport -- everybody have a wonderful day, walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:23:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell - A Tribute In Song - in Toronto (LONG - 100% JC - Get Coffee) Wow, Rick!! Thanks so much for this most thorough & great report! As you requested, I got coffee, but it soon became undrinkable as you had me DROOLING all in it! :~D Rob Piltch was also on "Back To The Garden", the Canadian trib CD. He plays that weird version of "River", which also appears on his band's (Buzz Wilco) CD "Circo". Why anyone but me would give a shit about that, I have no idea... And as for Jane Siberry, you said: <> So, be glad! You saw her on a GOOD night. Mediocre is the best this poor gal can do! I'd love it if this recording was released, but that's probably doubtful. And as always, they only did pre-1980 Joni, which is always a bit of a pet peeve as it perpetuates the notion that Joni is a thing of the past. At least there was a version of one of the TI songs, How Do You Stop, even if it's not hers. Sort of ironic, though... Anyway, I don't mean to sound snipy or negative...I would've loved to have been there with my JMDL buds, soaking it all in. Thanks again for the marvelous report!! Bob NP: David Wilcox, "Spirit Wind", live on KINK radio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:27:14 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: October 17 <<1988: Joni performs at the San Remo Songfest in Italy.>> And the VERY cool thing about this show is the "scat" version of "Passion Play", when she has the music but no lyrics, so she just 'dipthongs' her way through it. Also, our very own Mauro Regis was there, and took a bunch of nice photos! Joni really looked different that night, a checkered shirt and her hair pulled back... Bob NP: McKinley, "Citizen Kane" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:46:36 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: New warning (NJC) Right on Lori Fye!! This had me rolling! I was almost scared until the alligator part.. Guess I better not eat any large amounts of fruit or any spicy chinese food on the night of the 27th. Blair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 06:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Advisory on Suspicious Mail - not a joke (NJC) What to look for: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/graphics/attack/investigation_28.html Lori in MD ~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:00:48 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re;not really about the US nor the IRA NJC A well-known example here is allowing Nazi groups to >have a parade in the predominately Jewish city of Skokie, Ill. This very thing had occured in Newark Delaware around 1992-93'. There was a parade of the KKK on Main street, but because they were allowed free speech. When I first thought about it, it shocked me, I thought, "Well that isnt right.." then I remembered freedom of speech and as you pointed out.. This can be quite confusing from time to time.. Blair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 09:00:27 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Scary thing at work... NJC Hi Catherine, I can relate to scary. Last week a secretary at the college where I work opened up a big envelope with alot of powder in it. She was taken to the hospital, and that building was quarantined, along with several other employees. Luckily, it was a false alarm. She is alright and it was not a toxic substance, although they wouldn't say what it was. It was on the news for 2 days. I happened to have gotten off work before the incident happened. Hopefully yours is a false alarm... Hugs, Steve Hope to see you this weekend!!! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 10:56:52 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Clouds, Gallery,... Hi, all, from Rhode Island (or as we pronounce it heyah, Vo Dilin'. Bob Muller wrote: >>Sadly, Clouds is generally one of Joni's least popular records here, and I think it's one of her prettiest. And every song on it (The Gallery being the exception) has been covered by someone!<< I particularly love The Gallery and I Don't Know Where I Stand -- hard to believe that no one has covered Gallery -- but it's a challenging song, with its swoops and turns -- and very personal, I guess (but aren't so many of Joni's?). I consider it a harbinger of what was to come on Ladies and Blue. Hugs, Waltuh in Vo Dilan' NP: Come to the Sunshine. (Swoon.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:10:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: NORAD (njc) Kakki wrote: > I remember your past stories about being there and > the photos really bring home just how God-forsaken > paprika plains it was! I hope they at least had one > good saloon in town! There was ONE saloon in Fortuna, ND. Period. I drank there until they figured out I wasn't 21. : ( Thankfully we had our own Officers/NCO club on site, attached to our two-lane bowling alley. Underaged drinkers weren't supposed to be served, but the state of North Dakota turned a blind eye. We often drove the 8 miles to Westby, Montana, where you had to be only 18 to drink anything and everything. PLUS -- they had TWO saloons! This photo of "Downtown Fortuna" shows the north side of the main street looking exactly the same as it did when I was there from 1977-79: http://www.geocities.com/lrfye/dt-fortuna.jpg One of those buildings was the saloon. Hard to say if it's still in business -- the population has dwindled from about 200 to 32, with more moving away all the time. Lori in MD ~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:43:30 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: IRA njc > The 80's was the time > when the world became aware of innocent Northern Irish citizens banged up in > British prisons for crimes they did not commit, based on confessions they > were beaten into making. too true. however, we at least no longer execute people, do not execute the mentally chanlleneged, nor do we try children as adults. I think both countires have reason to be ashamed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 11:36:27 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds, Gallery,... In a message dated 10/17/01 11:02:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BigWaltinSF@aol.com writes: > I particularly love The Gallery and I Don't Know Where I Stand -- hard to > believe that no one has covered Gallery -- but it's a challenging song, > Leslie mixon did a lovely rendition of The Gallery at Jonifest last year ;~) Rose in Noo Joisey rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 08:45:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: JM Biography (NJC, really) Mary just ordered Karen O'Brien's JM biography for me!!! (from Amazon.co.uk) WOO HOO! Lori, trying to figure out how to convince Mary to go to Jonifest 2002, in MD ~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:02:38 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Clouds, Gallery,... I just could never understand why Clouds ranks so poorly. With songs like I Had A King, Michael From Mountains, Night In The City, Marcie, Nathan La Franeer, Song To A Seagull, and Cactus Tree it's always been a favorite of mine. Vintage Joni. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 17:43:43 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Clouds, Gallery,... ummm.....those songs are from Song To A Seagull-her first album. "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > I just could never understand why Clouds ranks so poorly. With songs > like I Had A King, Michael From Mountains, Night In The City, Marcie, > Nathan La Franeer, Song To A Seagull, and Cactus Tree it's always been > a favorite of mine. Vintage Joni. > > Jerry - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:36:45 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds, Gallery,... In a message dated 10/17/01 11:58:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > I just could never understand why Clouds ranks so poorly. With songs > like I Had A King, Michael From Mountains, Night In The City, Marcie, > Nathan La Franeer, Song To A Seagull, and Cactus Tree it's always been > a favorite of mine. Vintage Joni. > > Why is that? It's in my CD changer right now. Some of those songs are on Song To A Seagull, btw...hee hee, another recording which isn't far from my CD player. These are the two albums that drew me to Joni in the first place. Total artistic genius IMHO. Timeless treasures. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 16:44:33 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: October 17 San Remo Bob wrote > ><<1988: Joni performs at the San Remo Songfest in Italy.>> > >And the VERY cool thing about this show is the "scat" version >of "Passion >Play", when she has the music but no lyrics, so she >just 'dipthongs' her >way through it. Oh ABSOLUTELY Bob! I got a video of this performance from the freebee table at the fest. During the same performance - I think - she plays an acoustic version of Lakota that just makes my hair stand on end. This is one song of Joni's that I have long held 'suffers' from the electric/synth arrangement. This acoustic version for me is just superb especially the "sun / moon, pity me" part. I loved this. I'd love too to get it cleaned up on disc as the video sound is pants, basically. Les (London) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:49:36 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Clouds, Gallery,... colin wrote: > ummm.....those songs are from Song To A Seagull-her first album. > > "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > > > I just could never understand why Clouds ranks so poorly. With songs > > like I Had A King, Michael From Mountains, Night In The City, Marcie, > > Nathan La Franeer, Song To A Seagull, and Cactus Tree it's always been > > a favorite of mine. Vintage Joni. > > > > Jerry Yes, yes. I made a mistake. Wish I got this much attention to my hormones rising. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 12:30:00 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Vanity Fair Cover Photo Url (Pic of Joni) Found a picture of the Vanity Fair cover Opened. You can see Joni casually perched in the back. http://www.subscriberdirect.com/vf/0111/ FYI: Walmart and Target discount magazines 10%. So instead of $3.95 an issue you'll pay $3.55 (especially nice if you're buying more than one issue) Got my issue at Target. Their shelves had plenty. Plus they are all wrapped in a protective plastic and in perfect condition. For anyone going to Target and who wants to stock up on wrapping paper........check out the Clearance end-caps by the greeting cards/candles. I found beautiful gold gift wrapping tissue (8 BIG sheets per pack 20"x26"/.50x.66m) for 90 cents. The gold sheets reminded me of this Joni poster. Really!! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1475052926 It looks like what she's wearing on her head here! (It's amazing how Joni can be weaved into about anything!! haha) Lots of other tissue paper for .49 cents and gift bags under $1 too. Check out the clearance in electronics also. Lots of stuff and maybe something you need for the computer, games, etc. surge protectors $2.44, cell phone & computer headsets $2.44 to $5. Sony phone for $12 (the same one we originally payed $59 for earlier this year!! ) Always scan the price too (usually a scanner in the Toy section in the outer aisle). Items often scan lower then the price tag. You get the scanned price!! Laura ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #492 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?