From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #486 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 486 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- (njc) Cartoon expressing liberal uneasiness...&butterflies [BigWaltinSF@a] Weezer NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: US/IRA (njc) [colin ] Re: dates and measurements (njc) [colin ] Re: US/IRA (njc) [colin ] Re: US/IRA (njc) ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Bridget Jones NJC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: US/IRA (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: US/IRA (njc) [colin ] Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) [colin ] RE: response to terrorism (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: maggie mcnally!!!!! njc [Susan Guzzi ] Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) [colin ] response to terrorism (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: US/IRA (njc) [colin ] Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) ["shane mattison" ] It arrived! [Vince Lavieri ] Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) [colin ] Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) [colin ] Re: It arrived! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: It arrived! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: New warning (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: New warning (NJC) [colin ] Re: Weezer NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: It arrived! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Weezer NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] musicians who make a difference ["marianne marianne" ] the new california domestic partners bill (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] NJC! RollingStone.com News Anthrax on Anthrax [cvickery@danielrealty.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:16:40 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Cartoon expressing liberal uneasiness...&butterflies Hi, all, My sister sent me a Tom Tomorrow cartoon from Salon.com which expresses the mixed feelings that some people (like me) have about patriotism, wishing to stand with all Americans while cringing at some of what that may entail. My sister especially felt it funny, since the addressed character's name happens to be Walter. It's at this address, for anyone who might want to see it: http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2001/10/15/tomo/index.html Took my first walk down the beach today without Max the Wonder Dog -- first such walk in twelve years. Got lost in thought twice and turned around to see if he was keeping up with me. Ouch. Sad. Monarch butterfly at the beach cheered me up some. They're fairly numerous in CA this time of year. There's one of those trees just outside Santa Cruz, in Natural Bridges State Park where they gather in huge numbers and "hang" together. If you get there at just the right time in the late morning and lie on your back on the deck provided and wait for the sun to strike and warm their relatively dull brownish-orange backs, they warm up and burst out in bunches, bright orange splashes of movement against a bright blue sky. The one I saw this morning reminded me of that... Hope everyone is safe and well, Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:19:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Weezer NJC <> Technically it's a "they", but it's pretty much Rivers Cuomo's show...most folks would know Weezer from "Buddy Holly", their big hit from their '94 debut. That was a great song, they'll probably end up as a one-hit wonder though. I read an interview with Cuomo recently, he's not very well grounded. Bob NP: Saffire, "The Middle Age Blues Boogie" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:32:54 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) The money raised for the NRA was thru NORAID and others. Nothing hidden. MILLIONS were raised. No little boxes shaken in churches. Millions were not raised in ignorance of the cause. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:34:47 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) No not even if one is whatevr handed. i eat with my knife in my left hand and my fork in my right. I am right handed. However, most people here eat with their knife int he right hand and fork in left. "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > >> And when we eat, the fork stays in the left hand, and > >> the knife stays in the right - the whole time. > > > > Even if one is right-handed? > > Yes. You'll find that people eat with the fork continuously in their left > hand in Europe, too. It's considered to be rather crude and uncivilized > to be switching utensils from one hand to the other. And it's a dead > giveaway that you're an American if you do so. > > Also, Europeans -- or Germans, at least -- consider it childish to eat > foods with one's fingers. French fries are eaten with a fork, even at > McDonald's (where they offer little plastic two-pronged forks for fries). > It took awhile for sandwiches to catch on there, or at least for > sandwiches to be eaten as Americans do. > > Lori > in MD > ~ > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:35:29 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) OOPS! meant IRA of course! colin wrote: > The money raised for the NRA was thru NORAID and others. Nothing hidden. > MILLIONS were raised. No little boxes shaken in churches. Millions were not > raised in ignorance of the cause. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:24:22 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) I first heard about the Irish and the conflict in Northern Ireland back in the days of Bernadette Devlin. Too young, too disinterested, or too involved in my own life at the time to pay much attention. I do remember that however she was portrayed, at least to me, made her out as a heroine of sorts, a rebel, someone fighting against the hand of oppression. Now, years later, and with much more information to go on, I still am not completely content with what I know. I have formed opinions, of course, from newspaper articles and reports, television, and movies. At times have felt rather sorry for the northern Irish and their plight and have wondered why the British don't just get out of Ireland and mind their own business. At other times I have felt that they were vicious brutes, murderers, and thugs who were killing innocent Brits. It all seems so far away and unreal to me, in my life, and have never pondered the issue to any great degree. Not trying to be the least bit inflammatory here. Just curious and would be very interested in hearing the facts from not only Brits but the Irish. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:07 PM Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) > Jacky wrote: > > > I think you are taking this too personally, Kakki. > > Because the original statements were so blanket "Americans support the IRA." > As an American I did take it personally. > > >We are talking about governments here. > > But the U.S. government does not support the IRA and never has. > > >In the UK we have lived with IRA terrorism for many >years which, perhaps, > hasn't had much coverage in the >US press. > > No, we have always had much coverage when IRA terrorism has struck in the > U.K. But I haven't seen many articles here in the U.S. saying that we are > supporting it or providing examples of who is supporting it. I think most > Americans don't pay much attention to it, not because they are callous, but > because the U.S. is a big complex country with so many of its own problems > that we tend to primarily focus on. > > >You can say that to me and I will agree with you and I >will not be upset > by it at all because, although I live in a >democracy, I am one small voice > with no influence. > > I thought about this some more and you know it is exactly because we are > free democracies that these terrorist and subversive, hateful groups often > flourish. Not that I am advocating less freedom, but many of the democratic > countries have bent over backwards for many years to allow the hate groups > "free speech" and tolerance of any viewpoint, no matter how hideous, that > there has been a huge downside in their going to the limit in raising funds > and using the "tolerance" and freedom against the very people who are > providing it for them. A well-known example here is allowing Nazi groups to > have a parade in the predominately Jewish city of Skokie, Ill. However, > there are more insidious groups at work in the U.S. who provide a fake cover > for their fundraising to lure in naive people. I can imagine that some > connected with the IRA would no doubt put up a donation box in Catholic > churches in the U.S. asking only for money "for the poor orphans of Northern > Ireland." Many people, unfortunately are just not savvy or educated enough > to suspect it may be really going to the IRA and that they are being duped. > This same type of con game goes on in the U.S. with many other subversive > groups and that is well-documented. There have already been reports of some > groups asking for money "for the poor chiildren of Afghanistan" and found > that it was a complete front for people actually raising money for the > terrorists. Much of the current anti-war movement in the U.S. is being > directly orchestrated by radical socialist and Marxist groups who are openly > and actively against Americans' way of life. This is not some right-wing > rant, either - I learned about it from another anti-war group who is trying > to distinguish and separate themselves from the anti-American subversive > groups. > > This is all why we must all try to stand united in eliminating terrorist > groups and not let ourselves fall prey to those who are duping us and trying > to divide and dilute our resolve, IMO. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:29:41 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Bridget Jones NJC Renee Zellweger is American - she's from Texas. The film you mention is called "Nurse Betty." She was also pretty good in "Love and a .45." Brenda n.p.: Cleveland at Seattle (Hey you baseball fans - what a great weekend for the sport, eh?) On 15 Oct 2001, at 21:07, colin wrote: > Just saw this film and enjoyed it muchly. > Renee whatsit I have seen before in a weird but enjoyable film where she > was a waitress who saw her hubby/boyfirend get murdered by Chris Rock. > Shje was chased around the country by Rock and Morgan Freeeman. > The point to this? > Well is she American or English? > Her english accent in Bridget Jones was excellent if she isn't British. > I thought film was a real treat for using an ordinary woman instead of a > Julia Roberts type. An excellent actress she is. > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, > Passap 6000, Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:24:14 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) Colin, If you would believe me that most Americans know nothing about this and you want them to know about it, why don't you educate us and tell us when, by who and what happened. It's like you are assuming Americans know about this when I would bet most of them do not. Only by educating us can we learn about and address the issue. Kakki > The money raised for the NRA was thru NORAID and others. Nothing hidden. > MILLIONS were raised. No little boxes shaken in churches. Millions were not > raised in ignorance of the cause. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:45:49 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) I agree with you that Britain should hand Northern Ireland back to Eire. However, the majority of the population of Northern Ireland disagree strongly. Both sides have their terrorist factions. Both sides bomb and shoot. It is very much seen as Catholic versus Protestant thing. Recently we have has Protestants harassing young schoolchildren on their way to school(primary-5-11 yrolds) becaus they are Ctaholic and walk to scholl thru a Protestant area. Catholics do equally wicked things. Unfortunately neither church does much to condemn it. Catholic priests have officate at IRA funerals(masked gunmen giving the heroes salute etc). The Catholic church falls short of condemning the terrorists. Then we have Ian Paisley(rev) who is like Falwell only rabid and Protestant. The sitaution ahs been going on for hundreads of years-ever since Britain took it from the Irish. Dolphie Bush wrote: > I first heard about the Irish and the conflict in Northern Ireland back in > the days of Bernadette Devlin. Too young, too disinterested, or too > involved in my own life at the time to pay much attention. I do remember > that however she was portrayed, at least to me, made her out as a heroine of > sorts, a rebel, someone fighting against the hand of oppression. Now, years > later, and with much more information to go on, I still am not completely > content with what I know. I have formed opinions, of course, from newspaper > articles and reports, television, and movies. At times have felt rather > sorry for the northern Irish and their plight and have wondered why the > British don't just get out of Ireland and mind their own business. At other > times I have felt that they were vicious brutes, murderers, and thugs who > were killing innocent Brits. It all seems so far away and unreal to me, in > my life, and have never pondered the issue to any great degree. Not trying > to be the least bit inflammatory here. Just curious and would be very > interested in hearing the facts from not only Brits but the Irish. > > Mack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kakki" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:07 PM > Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) > > > Jacky wrote: > > > > > I think you are taking this too personally, Kakki. > > > > Because the original statements were so blanket "Americans support the > IRA." > > As an American I did take it personally. > > > > >We are talking about governments here. > > > > But the U.S. government does not support the IRA and never has. > > > > >In the UK we have lived with IRA terrorism for many >years which, > perhaps, > > hasn't had much coverage in the >US press. > > > > No, we have always had much coverage when IRA terrorism has struck in the > > U.K. But I haven't seen many articles here in the U.S. saying that we are > > supporting it or providing examples of who is supporting it. I think most > > Americans don't pay much attention to it, not because they are callous, > but > > because the U.S. is a big complex country with so many of its own problems > > that we tend to primarily focus on. > > > > >You can say that to me and I will agree with you and I >will not be upset > > by it at all because, although I live in a >democracy, I am one small > voice > > with no influence. > > > > I thought about this some more and you know it is exactly because we are > > free democracies that these terrorist and subversive, hateful groups often > > flourish. Not that I am advocating less freedom, but many of the > democratic > > countries have bent over backwards for many years to allow the hate groups > > "free speech" and tolerance of any viewpoint, no matter how hideous, that > > there has been a huge downside in their going to the limit in raising > funds > > and using the "tolerance" and freedom against the very people who are > > providing it for them. A well-known example here is allowing Nazi groups > to > > have a parade in the predominately Jewish city of Skokie, Ill. However, > > there are more insidious groups at work in the U.S. who provide a fake > cover > > for their fundraising to lure in naive people. I can imagine that some > > connected with the IRA would no doubt put up a donation box in Catholic > > churches in the U.S. asking only for money "for the poor orphans of > Northern > > Ireland." Many people, unfortunately are just not savvy or educated > enough > > to suspect it may be really going to the IRA and that they are being > duped. > > This same type of con game goes on in the U.S. with many other subversive > > groups and that is well-documented. There have already been reports of > some > > groups asking for money "for the poor chiildren of Afghanistan" and found > > that it was a complete front for people actually raising money for the > > terrorists. Much of the current anti-war movement in the U.S. is being > > directly orchestrated by radical socialist and Marxist groups who are > openly > > and actively against Americans' way of life. This is not some right-wing > > rant, either - I learned about it from another anti-war group who is > trying > > to distinguish and separate themselves from the anti-American subversive > > groups. > > > > This is all why we must all try to stand united in eliminating terrorist > > groups and not let ourselves fall prey to those who are duping us and > trying > > to divide and dilute our resolve, IMO. > > > > Kakki - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:54:31 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) "they should be done so correctly" as correctly as you selected the wrong thread: "response to terrorism" to show your proficient prowess..."? when i go after big game, i don't stop for rabbit tracks... shane - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "shane mattison" Cc: "joni" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:01 PM Subject: Re: response to terrorism (njc) > > to the technicians who corrected my typos > > on J.R.R. Tolkien: you slammed my typos > > but ignored my point. immanuel is coming! > > > I saw the point but chose not to comment and still do not really have a > response. I have read The Lord of the Rings most likely around 12 times > over the past 15 years and to me The Return of the King means the return of > Aragorn, and everything else that ensues. The two towers are the Isengard, > the home of Saruman, and the tower in Morder in which the Dark Lord, Sauron > resides, and strikes fear into the hearts of men. > > I see the parallel you are making but it is not one that I would have made > myself and is not something I can immediately say that I agree or disagree > with. I did think it was interesting that The Lord of the Rings was opening > this fall, and even mentioned that on list several weeks ago. It is > interesting how often the same symbolism appears in myths from all time > periods and cultures, ie...as with Osiris/Dionysis and Jesus Christ. This > is something that has been studied heavily and I find it very intriguing. > > I'm also not a technician. However, Tolkien is as important to me as Joni > Mitchell is to so many people. If his works are going to be discussed then > they should be done so correctly. You don't see anyone writing about "Song > to a Redchested Woodpecker" :~} > > Victor in Athens > > NP: John Martyn Solid Air > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:59:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) What is Christ like about this? shane mattison wrote: > "they should be done so correctly" > > as correctly as you selected the wrong thread: "response to terrorism" to > show your proficient > prowess..."? > > when i go after big game, i don't stop > for rabbit tracks... > > shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:30:30 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: response to terrorism (njc) thanks shane for accepting my words... you wrote " i do deny however that my remark about pacifists on flight 93, that they would fail to stop the terrorists from their goal, displays a lack of understanding of pacifism... true pacifism is effective in many things...stopping armed terrorists is not one of them..." just to be sure you don't misunderstand me, i wasn't objecting to anything you said other than the following choice of words, "if they had stopped to ponder their pacifist auras"....but i know now that i was being overly sensitive & i regret reacting the way i did.... i am glad you have heard Rumsfeldt speaking with regret... for those of you who feel our govt is doing the right thing, i really & sincerely hope you are right....i only ask that you hold a small place in your understanding for those of us who feel differently, if only to recognize that dissent has its rightful place in these discussions.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:07:33 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) it is not un-christ-like to point out that a message be recieved, first of all, for the point it makes and the spirit in which it is written. i wrote about tolkien in a light and friendly manner. do not ask me to pull apart your statements about anal sex and the like, colin... shane - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: "shane mattison" Cc: "Victor Johnson" ; Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:59 PM Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) > What is Christ like about this? > > shane mattison wrote: > > > "they should be done so correctly" > > > > as correctly as you selected the wrong thread: "response to terrorism" to > > show your proficient > > prowess..."? > > > > when i go after big game, i don't stop > > for rabbit tracks... > > > > shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 13:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: maggie mcnally!!!!! njc Roberto wrote: Whoever "they" are, they broke the mould when they created you! Absolutely Roberto! Maggie is a women in perpetual motion, but Maggie please STOP for one moment and except our wishes for a wonderful Birthday ... we know it won't be lacking in energy! Happy Day Maggie! Peace Susan Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:12:05 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) Do not credit me with that good piece of writing. Another man, clive, wrote it. However, you missed my point,as I expected. But never mind. shane mattison wrote: > it is not un-christ-like to point out that > a message be recieved, first of all, for > the point it makes and the spirit in which it is written. i wrote about > tolkien in a light and friendly manner. do not ask me to pull apart your > statements about anal sex and the like, colin... > > shane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "colin" > To: "shane mattison" > Cc: "Victor Johnson" ; > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:59 PM > Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) > > > What is Christ like about this? > > > > shane mattison wrote: > > > > > "they should be done so correctly" > > > > > > as correctly as you selected the wrong thread: "response to terrorism" > to > > > show your proficient > > > prowess..."? > > > > > > when i go after big game, i don't stop > > > for rabbit tracks... > > > > > > shane > > > > > > > - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:15:45 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: response to terrorism (njc) kate wrote: > if you go back to my post on js. woodworth, you may find it to be the first post-sept 11 reference to a man of integrity who was a pacifist... and i would only ask you to hold a small place in your understanding for those of us who would like to see the little children of our streets free to play without being hit with smallpox... shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:53:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) One you asked me not address things to you yet here you are reply ing to me. I am confused. I have not said I disbelieve you. I don't know where you get that idea from. it would be much easier to have a discussion without you reading stuff into what i write. As for educating. what do you think I am trying to do? All i have done is point out that you are wromng in your assumptions about the money raised in the usa for the IRA. Why is that such an awful thing to do? and why on earth would you get hurt and take it personally? You pointed out my mistake about the Taliban not having the mass distruction weapons and I din't get upset about it. You and many Americsn may not know about the fundraisng in the uSA but enough do otherwise millions would not have found their way into bombs and guns. it is veyr difficult to have any discussion with people who take evreythting written as a personal attack. It makes me feel it just isn't worth the bother. Not once in my posts to you have I been rude to you, attacked you, demeaned you or anything like and I try hard over my words but it makes no damn difference. whatever i write you are going to get the hump and I end up looking the bad guy. i don't want to play this game. Kakki wrote: > Colin, > > If you would believe me that most Americans know nothing about this and you > want them to know about it, why don't you educate us and tell us when, by > who and what happened. It's like you are assuming Americans know about this > when I would bet most of them do not. Only by educating us can we learn > about and address the issue. Kakki > > > The money raised for the NRA was thru NORAID and others. Nothing hidden. > > MILLIONS were raised. No little boxes shaken in churches. Millions were > not > > raised in ignorance of the cause. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:29:50 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) i have had the response of many, many listers appreciating my posts... i was not nasty...you are...attacking over a discussion of 'dots and iotas' the gross charge of hypocrisy just because you do not like hearing my views... let's agree to this: you skip my posts i'll skip yours you delete mine from your email i'll delete yours (already in effect) and keep your slanders of hypocrisy to yourself... shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:21:43 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: It arrived! In today's mail, Shadows and Light - the Definitive Biography! Thanks to whoever posted the amazon in the uk website! Whatever I paid for it - who knows, it was in pounds and Euros - it was worth it for the dust cover alone! I might have it framed! A startling (in the good, artistic sense) picture of Joni, stark in black and purple and the vaguest of colors, on a black background - and on the back over, I cannot describe it, almost like it would work on an Anne Rice cover, very atmospheric. I obviously not yet read the book - skimmed it and it sure looks interesting but who knows - the inside pictures (too few of those) are all quite good, very unusual, not standard fare, I hadn't seen any of them before except the TTT cover and the way they present it with the van Gogh adds to appreciation of the TTT cover. There is a picture of Joni in 1990 with a self-portrait from a GAP ad - that was news to me! Anyone remember Joni in GAP ads? I need to fall into this book, gotta go - I will say that it seems to have a lot of quotes and ends with the Grammies for BSN and a nice pic of the artists on stage at the TNT tribute - I have read a page here and there to get a feel for it and while I can't yet grasp or vouch for the quality of the book, it certainly seems to be inclusive of much of her life - talks about the Refugee of the Roads tour and how the childhood polio made that tough for her, that is an example that the book does not appear to skim the surface. Well, let me get reading... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:20:13 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) > it is not un-christ-like to point out that > a message be recieved, first of all, for > the point it makes and the spirit in which it is written. i wrote about > tolkien in a light and friendly manner. do not ask me to pull apart your > statements about anal sex and the like, colin... > > shane I also wrote about Tolkien in a light and friendly matter and I also explicitly said that I got the point of the message and I responded to it in honestly and seriously. It was my impression that parallels were being drawn between the Lord of the Rings and the return of Christ but apart from the obvious surface similarities, its not very clear what point is being made or even why this was pointed out. I'm certainly not trying to show any prowess. This whole thing is starting to seem very ridiculous. And how/why are you drawing Colin into this? Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:39:23 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) > just because you do not like hearing my views... > what i don't like is reading your sneering at the views of others just like your previous post about children and smallpox. I stand by what I said. Such sneering is not Christ like, the man you say you follow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:41:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: jrr.tolkien (njc) > And > how/why are you drawing Colin into this? because I was stupid and made a comment about his less than polite response to you. > > > Victor > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:29:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It arrived! <> I don't remember the ads...I think they were regional, Vince, so we in our respective Greenvilles missed them. I do have a nice shot of Wally B. standing in front of one of the big ads. Bob NP: The Name, "Maybe Someday" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:29:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: It arrived! <> I don't remember the ads...I think they were regional, Vince, so we in our respective Greenvilles missed them. I do have a nice shot of Wally B. standing in front of one of the big ads. Bob NP: The Name, "Maybe Someday" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:34:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: New warning (NJC) Lori wrote: << Anyone who takes a poop on the 28th will be bitten on the ass by an alligator. >> LOL Lori, I was more concerned about the "cockadiles" :~) Jimmy in beautiful Toronto P.S. Happy Belated Birthday Maggie! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 22:47:48 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: New warning (NJC) Thank God we have niether here in the UK! FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Lori wrote: > > << Anyone who takes a poop > on the 28th will be bitten on the ass by an alligator. >> > > LOL Lori, I was more concerned about the "cockadiles" :~) > > Jimmy > in beautiful Toronto > P.S. Happy Belated Birthday Maggie! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:45:10 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Weezer NJC Weezer is alive and kicking and selling lots of albums through their website and touring again - and I am a kind of a Weezer fan... This has nothing to do with Weezer do you think the group Anthrax wishes they had a different name right now? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > Technically it's a "they", but it's pretty much Rivers Cuomo's show...most folks would know Weezer from "Buddy Holly", their big hit from their '94 debut. That was a great song, they'll probably end up as a one-hit wonder though. I read an interview with Cuomo recently, he's not very well grounded. > > Bob > > NP: Saffire, "The Middle Age Blues Boogie" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:49:20 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: It arrived! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Lavieri" To: Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 14:21 Subject: It arrived! > In today's mail, Shadows and Light - the Definitive Biography! snip > Whatever I paid for it - who knows, it was in pounds and Euros - it was > worth it for the dust cover alone! I ordered this book for Mark and our account was charged $31.06. His copy hasn't arrived yet. Mark E's partner Travis in Shoreline Washington ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:49:08 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Weezer NJC In a message dated 10/15/01 4:46:36 PM, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << do you think the group Anthrax wishes they had a different name right now? >> I heard on the radio yesterday that they are thinking of changing their name. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 17:58:30 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: musicians who make a difference Regarding Neil Young and other musicians who do benefit concerts, etc. Julie, you've got a point there. . . a good one I wonder if you will get several responses in defense of Joni. Though, it's a good question to ask and to raise. I will sort of rise to the defense of Joni. . . I was thinking for one, that we don't really know how joni contributes to the greater good politically... (perhaps our joni historians could tell us about some of her "benefit"concerts). . I mean, there's a lot we don't know about one's personal life and their personal/political life. For example, many people that know you may not know what causes you contribute to, etc. My second point is that Joni has given us significant political contributions in her music, her lyrics. .. She really takes a stand. She takes a stand in a loud voice. She touches and inspires all of us and more. If all of the people on the jmdl took a stand in their every day life the way joni does in her music we would really have something going on. "Can I walk beside you? . . ." I don't know, maybe jmdlers do take a stand. I'd like to think so. I guess one thing Joni represents for me is a person who takes a stand. She speaks her mind. She speaks her mind when it would be far easier to stick with middle of the road. Of course that's not her (the middle). She speaks truths to a world that often doesn't want the truth. This takes courage. This courage inspires me and gives me strength when I am but one lonely voice. The way I see it . .. if we all take a stand the way Joni did/does then we've got something going on. "And I feel to be a cog in something turning......" I'm always looking for courage. with Love marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:58:48 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) Colin, thanks for the post. I thought about privating you but figure this will be educational for all. What is Eire? I am not wholly sure about where I stand about the issue, as I said, and not sure Britain should butt out. Why is Britain there and what is their reticence to back out of Ireland? I guess what I am trying to ask, is why does Britan what to be there? Is it because, like you wrote, most of the citizens want them there? Is it economics? Or a national type thing such as when the Union refused to allow the South to secede from the Union? Guess I should just get a book but I want the perspective of someone who lives there, who knows what is going on. thanks, mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: "Dolphie Bush" Cc: "joni" Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 3:45 PM Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) > I agree with you that Britain should hand Northern Ireland back to Eire. > However, the majority of the population of Northern Ireland disagree strongly. > > Both sides have their terrorist factions. Both sides bomb and shoot. > It is very much seen as Catholic versus Protestant thing. > Recently we have has Protestants harassing young schoolchildren on their way to > school(primary-5-11 yrolds) becaus they are Ctaholic and walk to scholl thru a > Protestant area. Catholics do equally wicked things. > Unfortunately neither church does much to condemn it. Catholic priests have > officate at IRA funerals(masked gunmen giving the heroes salute etc). The > Catholic church falls short of condemning the terrorists. > Then we have Ian Paisley(rev) who is like Falwell only rabid and Protestant. > > The sitaution ahs been going on for hundreads of years-ever since Britain took > it from the Irish. > > Dolphie Bush wrote: > > > I first heard about the Irish and the conflict in Northern Ireland back in > > the days of Bernadette Devlin. Too young, too disinterested, or too > > involved in my own life at the time to pay much attention. I do remember > > that however she was portrayed, at least to me, made her out as a heroine of > > sorts, a rebel, someone fighting against the hand of oppression. Now, years > > later, and with much more information to go on, I still am not completely > > content with what I know. I have formed opinions, of course, from newspaper > > articles and reports, television, and movies. At times have felt rather > > sorry for the northern Irish and their plight and have wondered why the > > British don't just get out of Ireland and mind their own business. At other > > times I have felt that they were vicious brutes, murderers, and thugs who > > were killing innocent Brits. It all seems so far away and unreal to me, in > > my life, and have never pondered the issue to any great degree. Not trying > > to be the least bit inflammatory here. Just curious and would be very > > interested in hearing the facts from not only Brits but the Irish. > > > > Mack > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kakki" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 2:07 PM > > Subject: Re: US/IRA (njc) > > > > > Jacky wrote: > > > > > > > I think you are taking this too personally, Kakki. > > > > > > Because the original statements were so blanket "Americans support the > > IRA." > > > As an American I did take it personally. > > > > > > >We are talking about governments here. > > > > > > But the U.S. government does not support the IRA and never has. > > > > > > >In the UK we have lived with IRA terrorism for many >years which, > > perhaps, > > > hasn't had much coverage in the >US press. > > > > > > No, we have always had much coverage when IRA terrorism has struck in the > > > U.K. But I haven't seen many articles here in the U.S. saying that we are > > > supporting it or providing examples of who is supporting it. I think most > > > Americans don't pay much attention to it, not because they are callous, > > but > > > because the U.S. is a big complex country with so many of its own problems > > > that we tend to primarily focus on. > > > > > > >You can say that to me and I will agree with you and I >will not be upset > > > by it at all because, although I live in a >democracy, I am one small > > voice > > > with no influence. > > > > > > I thought about this some more and you know it is exactly because we are > > > free democracies that these terrorist and subversive, hateful groups often > > > flourish. Not that I am advocating less freedom, but many of the > > democratic > > > countries have bent over backwards for many years to allow the hate groups > > > "free speech" and tolerance of any viewpoint, no matter how hideous, that > > > there has been a huge downside in their going to the limit in raising > > funds > > > and using the "tolerance" and freedom against the very people who are > > > providing it for them. A well-known example here is allowing Nazi groups > > to > > > have a parade in the predominately Jewish city of Skokie, Ill. However, > > > there are more insidious groups at work in the U.S. who provide a fake > > cover > > > for their fundraising to lure in naive people. I can imagine that some > > > connected with the IRA would no doubt put up a donation box in Catholic > > > churches in the U.S. asking only for money "for the poor orphans of > > Northern > > > Ireland." Many people, unfortunately are just not savvy or educated > > enough > > > to suspect it may be really going to the IRA and that they are being > > duped. > > > This same type of con game goes on in the U.S. with many other subversive > > > groups and that is well-documented. There have already been reports of > > some > > > groups asking for money "for the poor chiildren of Afghanistan" and found > > > that it was a complete front for people actually raising money for the > > > terrorists. Much of the current anti-war movement in the U.S. is being > > > directly orchestrated by radical socialist and Marxist groups who are > > openly > > > and actively against Americans' way of life. This is not some right-wing > > > rant, either - I learned about it from another anti-war group who is > > trying > > > to distinguish and separate themselves from the anti-American subversive > > > groups. > > > > > > This is all why we must all try to stand united in eliminating terrorist > > > groups and not let ourselves fall prey to those who are duping us and > > trying > > > to divide and dilute our resolve, IMO. > > > > > > Kakki > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, > Duo80. > > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 18:01:28 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: the new california domestic partners bill (NJC) The following paragraph is taken from a story I just read at <> "As America reassesses its moral foundations, California has taken a giant step toward moral anarchy," said Robert H. Knight, director of Concerned Women for America's Culture and Family Institute, concerning Gov. Gray Davis' signing of AB 25, which grants a dozen marital benefits to homosexual couples and one benefit to unwed senior citizens living together. - --- Me, again. *Robert* H. Knight is director of Concerned *Women* for America's Culture and Family Institute? Talk about gender confusion! And what's wrong with the women of Concerned Women for America's Culture and Family Institute that they couldn't find a woman to fill this job? Maybe they think being the director of anything is a man's job. According to another article I read, this new law will grant domestic partners the same rights heterosexual married couples have always had, including "the ability to make medical decisions in the hospital, to receive health benefits, to adopt a partner's child, and will property to a surviving partner." I think this is great, but then again, maybe I need to reassess my moral foundations. Congratulations, California. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 16:58:27 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: NJC! 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