From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #475 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 475 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- birthday thoughts NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] NJC - Now - James Taylor Saves! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: dates and measurements njc [colin ] Subject: RE: depression/ anxiety NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Desert Island Discs [Merk54@aol.com] RE: dates and measurements (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: dates and measurements (njc) ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: dates and measurements (njc) [colin ] Re: peace and calm (NJC) [colin ] Re: Shadows and Light The Definitive Biography ["Paul Castle" ] Re: NJC - Scripture Posting Etc now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: discussions on war njc [Vince Lavieri ] RE: depression/ anxiety NJC [Catherine McKay ] RE: depression/ anxiety NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: [JoniTribute2001] weekend plans ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: dates and measurements (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: dates and measurements njc [Catherine McKay ] RE: dates and measurements (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: dates and measurements (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: dates and measurements (njc) ["Brett Code" ] dates and measurements njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: dates and measurements (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: dates and measurements (njc) ["Stephen Epstein" ] Still No Joni in LA Times ["Kakki" ] toboggan njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: scripture njc ["J. R. Mills" ] Re: dates and measurements (njc) ["hell" ] Re: desert island books ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:30:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: birthday thoughts NJC nice message Roberto...happy birthday! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:30:53 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: NJC - Now - James Taylor Saves! Fred, me too! He is sooo humble & funny & sooooooooo talented! >>>Speaking of James ... I have accepted James Taylor as my personal savior.<<<- -Fred ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:19:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: dates and measurements njc > I know it is on the dashboard in the car but no one uses it > and since the roads are still marked in miles, when on my road trip to New england, I found the low speed limits a bit difficult to follow. When i crossed the border, I was more than pleased to see a more realistc, faster, speed limit. It took me a while to realise the signs were in KM's! fortunately no police saw me before i cottoned on! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:01:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: RE: depression/ anxiety NJC I scored an 8. I guess I am okay... >>>There's been a bunch of synchroncity going on in my life, and today I received this survey about depression from American Greetings, of all places: http://apps.redidata.com/forest/surv/start.asp <<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:11:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: YOGA (NJC) emily, i whole heartedly agree...thanks for this reminder....just think what kind of world we would live in if we all felt peace & calm inside...even in my most extreme times of worry & poverty, i used to look for something to be grateful for & of course i always could... >>>it let me believe that one of the most powerful things i can do is work to find peace and calm and healing in my own head -- that doing that isn't "frivolous" or isn't "just to make myself FEEL better" (though it does). what it means is that there exists some kind of oneness, and where you can start with change is right here, right now. with ME.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:30:57 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Desert Island Discs Okay, after doing the desert island books thing, I decided to finally break down and try and do this music list. Again, in no particular order (well, except for maybe the first one!) Joni Mitchell - Hejira. Absolutely no choice involved in this one. When it first came out, it was like listening to my life, set to music. It has only grown in importance to me ever since. Plus there was that mystical Black Crow experience I had. Oh yeah, and how could I live without Song for Sharon. Or Hejira. Or Refuge of the Roads. Or Amelia. Aw, you get my point. Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense. For those days when I just needed to dance my ass off! I would probably bring the re-released version, simply because it has more songs on it, though the version of Pyscho Killer on the original release is a much better. Ah, the sacrifices one must make! HMMM, now that I have a CD burner, maybe I could cheat, and create a special version of SMS, with all the songs from the re-release, but with the original version of Pyscho Killer! Sounds fair to me! Steeleye Span - Parcel of Rouges. Cuz every now and then, I guy's just has to hear Maddy Prior sing - especially Cam Ye O'Er Frae France or The Weaver and the Factory Maid. Bob Dylan - Desire. No, Blood on the Tracks. No, Time Out of Mind. No, Love and Theft. Aw, damn - this is probably the one I'm least sure of. I would definitely want a Bob, but not sure which one. I guess I'll go with conventional wisdom and settle for Blood on the Tracks. Elton John - Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. The very first album I ever bought was Elton John / Elton John. The very first concert I ever saw was Elton John. The very first time music just plain freaked me out, was my first listen to Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. I remember coming home from school, after stopping at the local 5 and dime, and buying GYBR. I went to my room, put on the headphones, started up the old turntable, and proceeded to go nuts. Funeral For a Friend! What the hell was this? It completely changed the way I thought about music. It opened my mind to music that prior to that point I could not understand. It eventually freed me up to understanding the Beatles - believe it or, they lost me with Revolver! Anyway, as far as expanding my musical acceptance, no album comes close. Wierd, huh? Paul McCartney - For two reasons. If my wife Betty was with me, I would want this one because it's her favorite. If Betty wasn't with me, I would want it to remind me of her. I can alway envision her smiling and shaking her finger at me during Mistress and Maid! Peter Gabriel - The Melting Face One. Just cuz I think it would be fun to creep around the island in the dark, with Intruder blasting away! That, and Biko. Rickie Lee Jones - Ghostyhead. Too many great memories of RLJ not to bring her along - most especially when she pulled me out of the audience to dance with her. While I would miss Company, and Skeltons, and some of her other amazing ballads, there is just something about this one that drives me crazy. A little on the wierd side, but then again... Dead Can Dance - Into the Labyrinth. Kind of an odd choice. It was this or Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here. For those days, when I need to get away from it all (hey, wait - I'm on a desert island - I'm already away from it all!). In any case, just a pretty, mellow, great sounding disk, and boy, can Lisa Gerrard sing. The Chieftans - Tears of Stone. A beauty - plus it's got Joni on it doing a great version of The Magdalene Laundries (like you didn't know that already). Damn! That's 10. Ah, but what a 10. Ask me again tomorrow, and maybe you'll see Cat Stevens, or XTC, or Gentle Giant, or Badly Drawn Boy (too new, but awesome!), or Eva Cassidy (thanks everyone!), or Elvis Costello, or the Beatles, or Lucinda Williams, or Cheryl Wheeler (thanks, Ashara!), or Al Stewart, or Joan Armatrading, or the Strawbs, or Bruce Cockburn, or Dire Straits, or John Lennon (how could I not have picked a John Lennon?), or Roy Harper, or Niel Young, etc, etc, etc. Arg! Who's idea was this, anyway! Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:41:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: dates and measurements (njc) so how much is a stone? do people really use this unit everyday in england? how about in the us? i thought it was just a somerset maugham thing. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: colin [mailto:colin@tantra-apso.com] Enviado el: Jueves, 11 de Octubre de 2001 07:19 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: dates and measurements (njc) If you tell me you are 200lbs that is meaningless almost. If you tell me you are 100kgs that is also meanignless. But if if you tell me you are 14stone, I know that one! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:47:15 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: peace and calm (NJC) > emily, i whole heartedly agree...thanks for this reminder....just think what > kind of world we would live in if we all felt peace & calm inside Earlier this evening, I walked across the street and sat on a rock in a little stream that runs through the woods, finding its way over the rocks, catching leaves that fall from the trees that surround it, my mind emptied of all thoughts and all I could feel was the presence of the water, the trees, and everything that surrounded me....I felt completely at one with it all, listening to the water, the insects, and the birds, and it seemed that this was my home and that the rest of the world was an illusion...all distractions were gone and I felt completely content being there, all sadness was gone, and I could have sat there for ever...only when I made myself stand up, for no particular reason, was I able to leave and walk back to my apartment. I have rarely, if ever, felt this calm and I intend to spend more time there..for it is from nature that we come and it seems far to easy in this day to become absorbed in the world of man and forget how powerful and beautiful the earth itself can be. Victor in Athens NP: silence, except for the occasional clunks and footsteps heard from upstairs Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:49:25 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) You have completely got me Wally. To me it is a small rock. hehehe Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "colin" Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 6:41 PM Subject: RE: dates and measurements (njc) > so how much is a stone? do people really use this unit everyday in england? > how about in the us? i thought it was just a somerset maugham thing. > wallyK > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: colin [mailto:colin@tantra-apso.com] > Enviado el: Jueves, 11 de Octubre de 2001 07:19 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: dates and measurements (njc) > > > If you tell me you are 200lbs that is meaningless almost. If you tell me you > are > 100kgs that is also meanignless. But if if you tell me you are 14stone, I > know > that one! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:41:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: more reading (njc) Anne said >>>I've started to believe that this war against terrorism will be won with information.<<< I agree with you Anne. I have always felt that in order to understand other cultures, we needed to understand those cultures religious beliefs. I believe if our leaders had more understanding of these types of things then we could get closer to finding real solutions to the problems of the world. As someone who has done a lifetime of soul searching & a little therapy, I must also add to what you wrote (though it may not be what you meant): I believe, as a nation, we must also do some soul searching. This is similar to a situation where two people are in conflict & each must take responsibility for their own actions & feelings, for there to be any resolution. I think this kind of thinking is important as it can lead us to some real answers to global problems rather than just reactions. I won't go any further as I know that this is considered an unpopular & unpatriotic point of view & I don't want to stir things up anymore than they already are... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:15:22 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) It isn't just a Maugham thing! there are 14lbs to the stone. And yes it is in everyday use. Our scales measure in stones(those for weighing people). You can get kg ones too and lb ones but people here when talking about their own weight talk in stones and lbs. Wally Kairuz wrote: > so how much is a stone? do people really use this unit everyday in england? > how about in the us? i thought it was just a somerset maugham thing. > wallyK > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: colin [mailto:colin@tantra-apso.com] > Enviado el: Jueves, 11 de Octubre de 2001 07:19 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz > CC: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: dates and measurements (njc) > > If you tell me you are 200lbs that is meaningless almost. If you tell me you > are > 100kgs that is also meanignless. But if if you tell me you are 14stone, I > know > that one! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:18:41 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: peace and calm (NJC) we cannot change others, only ourselves. whatever we want to see in the world we must first build in ourselves. we spend too much time thinking that others need to change and do things to that end when we should be pointing the finger at ourselves and doing the changing there. A lot easier said than done of course. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 02:11:11 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light The Definitive Biography After a really busy day, I managed to get to the launch party at Helter Skelter tonight (sorry, Jacky and others, I tried but the shop has such little space I was told they had to limit the numbers - so I went alone). Hope you're not too irritated to know that I had a really good time. Karen was really excited, as you can imagine - she's just had a 4-star review for the book in the latest Q Magazine, which compliments her introduction (really enjoyed it myself, btw) - I took her a copy of The Hissing Demos (HOSL is a favourite of hers) and told her about Sue McNamara's new list - she said that she really liked it in her interview with Larry Klein when he called Joni "the James Joyce of alternate tunings." I took a few photos of Karen, including a couple of her signing a dedication for Anne - "Oh, do you mean Anne Sandstrom?", she said. "That's Anne with an e." What else - of course I forgot to ask about the posters again - although I did pick up 3 free copies of a magazine called 'Women in Music Now' which has an enlarged version of the back cover photo of Joni on its Oct/Nov issue and includes an article written by Karen O'Brien headed Q. Who is the new Joni Mitchell? A. Joni Mitchell, of course! Apparently the cover photo of Joni was taken by Jay Blakesberg of San Francisco www.blakesberg.com All the best to everyone PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:23:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: dates and measurements (njc) so if someone weighs 110 kg [guess who...] his weight in stone would be 15,71 [i just figured it out]. how do you express the decimal part? if it were in kilos we would use grams. do you say 15 stone and the rest in pounds, for instance? - -----Mensaje original----- De: colin [mailto:colin@tantra-apso.com] Enviado el: Jueves, 11 de Octubre de 2001 09:15 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: dates and measurements (njc) It isn't just a Maugham thing! there are 14lbs to the stone. And yes it is in everyday use. Our scales measure in stones(those for weighing people). You can get kg ones too and lb ones but people here when talking about their own weight talk in stones and lbs. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:25:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: dates and measurements (njc) lord, i've just figured out that my ideal weight should be about 10 stone! all this talk has made me realized that i'm a whale!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:56:44 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) Did you know that Nostrodamus correctly PREDICTED several centuries ago that today's date would be palindrome?!?!?!? Lama ps.... This is a joke. Ya see, it would have been completely obvious that today's date is a palindrome, therefore the prediction would hold no value. You see? It's a joke. Okay? SCJoniGuy@aol.com said, >>>> And in a bizarre case of synchronicity, today's DATE is a palindrome: 10-11-01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:56:43 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: heroism on UA flight 93 (njc) a time for peace and a time for war: my former love trish was a United flight attendent, often serving on the newark to sanfran route, flight 93, which ended up on the pennsylvania ground. it was not trish that day, but one of her colleagues that got her throat slit., but it could just as easily been her. some men decided , especially when they heard that planes had been hitting the WTC and the Pentagon, to fight those bastards when they knew the plane had been commandeered and turned around and then targeted to hit some other precious national building and its people. They didn't hesitate... they didn't meditate on the profundities of gandhi's principle of non-violent resistance... (however applicable that could be on other occasions and circumstances, say, perhaps, once in a while when dealing with one's own government when it acts with severe, prolonged, and unquestioned tyrranny)... if they had stopped to ponder their pacifist auras, the capital building, or some other important and crucial site of the government of the United States, as well as perhaps thousands of people more might have died that day... why was the act of these men heroic? because they gave up their lives in a fight for the sake of larger numbers of real people elsewhere who were endangered... that is an act of charity, even though it involved 'violence' to accomplish... the same would be true if a gang were to break into your house and attempt to kill your sons and daughters.... would you meditate on such an occasion? well, our sons and daughters are being just as threatened now by the creeps who would launch smallpox on them. i might have used non-violence to protest a misguided and evil policy of my government, but if i used it in this instance, i hope they'd arrest me for refusing to save the lives of my children. shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:51:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC - Scripture Posting Etc now njc - --- colin wrote (quoting Ron): > > my personal viewpoint is that homosexuality is > wrong. > > oh dear, where have I heard this from before? And > why do i always hear it prefaced by the the person > saying they do not judge? > This whole piece is hypocritical and a nonsense. > Homesexuality is as wrong as being woman, as being > non white, as being red haired, as being left > handed. > Clearly people who make this statement do not > undertsand anything at all about homosexuality. It > is not a choice, tho if it were it still would not > make it wrong. It is alos not just about sex-it is > about a WHOLE person. A celibate homosexual is still > a homosexual. I agree. Ron,you lost me at that point. I have no reason to be pro-gay or anti-gay or anything-gay. I am straight, but I have lots of friends and co-workers who are gay, male or female, and they're no more or less screwed up than anyone else I know ;) Saying that homosexuality is wrong is like saying being human is wrong. It's just part of who a person is. As far as the fornication thing (that word "fornication" sounds really creepy to me - it's the kind of word that you hear hellfire and brimstone preachers ranting on about) - what exactly does that mean? Two (or more?) people having sex who aren't married to each other? What does being married mean? Is it a legal contract? a sacred vow before God? There are plenty of straight people who have legal contracts or who have made vows before their God who are no more married than many of the gay couples I've met whose love for one another is obviously real and true. How many countries "allow" gay people to marry each other legally, and how many churches perform religious weddings for them? Not many! So it seems that gay people are screwed (so to speak) whatever they do. Many of them have lived in long-term loving relationships with a partner but have no legal recognition of this (except perhaps in common law and this kind of thing happens on a case-by-case basis). As far as religious weddings go, whatever people of faith may think of as God, not one of us knows for sure that what we believe is the truth - that's what faith is all about - it's faith, not fact. So, as far as I'm concerned, whether or not a person has a piece of paper from the city hall; or whether they've made a promise in front of a priest, minister, rabbi or judge that isn't the marriage - it's what is happening within the hearts and minds of the people involved that makes the marriage. Gay hearts and minds are neither more nor less likely than straight ones to get this right. I know that if someone believes something is wrong, deep within themself, that nothing I or anyone here can say is going to change that, but it would be nice if people who feel so strongly this way could at least ask themselves why they feel this way. I guess I've never seen things in such a black or white, right or wrong kind of way. There are some things - violence, child abuse, killing, stealing, the whole shebang - that are so obviously wrong, but saying that someone's sexual orientation is, per se, *wrong*, is like saying that their colour is wrong, or their religion is wrong - - all of these prejudices we see so often around us. I guess I've always been one to question things, because nothing is that simple for me - I can never even decide what to order in a restaurant! Anyway, enough of my ranting. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: NJC - Scripture Posting Etc > my personal viewpoint is that homosexuality is wrong. > *BUT* it is no more wrong than fornication with same > sexes etc. Ron, I think I'm missing something here. What is the difference??? I don't want to start an argument; I sincerely want to know what you meant. Lori in MD ~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:59:46 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: discussions on war njc Kate Bennett wrote: > i think it is good to have these discussions but i don't think anyone is > going to be persuaded by another's argument...for me, the value i find in > posting my views is in hopes that others who feel the same will know they > are not alone... > > > i remind you that pacifism is not passivity...it is direct action, direct > resistance, refusing to cooperate with violence...this takes bravery...to > ask that we use our intelligence & diplomatic prowess to break the cycle of > violence... > > to me it is a pragmatic issue- violence is rarely effective...if it were we > would have had peace on this planet long ago... > Kate, I agree, no one is changing anyone's mind, we post so that others know they are not alone. Let me share with you a dialogue on another list to which I belong. "Actually, fighting back is entirely appropriate. Even killing, if necessary in self-defense, is not a sin." I'm not claiming that it's a sin. Sins are God's to judge. I'm claiming it's un-Christian. Jesus said 'turn the other cheek'. He said 'love your enemies'. He never said 'strike back at those who strike you'. "For example, if the passengers in one of the planes that hit the WTC had gotten violent and had fought back, that plane may NOT have ended up hitting the building, like the one that went down in Pennsylvania. For whatever reason, they didn't. End result: over 5000 people dead." Yes, but violent action was not the only alternative. The passengers could have restrained the terrorists without trying to harm them. The problem was that the passengers in the first 3 planes had no idea that they were going to be crashing into anything. They thought it was the usual terrorist hostage scenario. Only the passengers in the fourth plane knew the situation, and they did react (whether violently or not we may never know). "Let's say then that we did nothing and a situation like this happened again?" Who's talking about doing nothing? You seem to assume that there were only two alternatives - deadly force or passivity. That's nonsense. "Or how about third time? We are talking about people who if we don't stop them, they will only kill again." I have no problem with 'stopping them'. There's nothing anti-Christian about stopping violence. I have a problem with the fact that the only reaction so far has been deadly force. We should understand that there are other alternatives that have been ignored. "Look at how many operations bin Laden has been involved in. Look also as Saddam Hussein. He mustard gassed his own people. Even now, Hussein has biological/chemical weapons factories in full operation, including anthrax, possibly even smallpox. Smallpox has been eradicated you say? So was polio, but we are starting to see cases of polio again. There are chemical weapons, such as mustard gas and sarin that can easily eradicate entire cities if planned right. Passive resistance has its place, and is always PREFERABLE, but, what is preferable may not always be appropriate." I don't know how many times I need to say it, but I DON'T BELIEVE IN PASSIVE RESISTANCE. That's not what I'm advocating. I'm advocating Christian love and compassion, and a healthy regard for ALL human life. I believe in active nonviolence. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:07:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: depression/ anxiety NJC - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > There's been a bunch of synchroncity going on in my > life, and today I > received this survey about depression from American > Greetings, of all > places: > > http://apps.redidata.com/forest/surv/start.asp > > As for me, I've been worried because I HAVEN'T > really been depressed since > the events of September 11. It could be due to the > 100mg of Zoloft I take > each morning (which is probably why I scored a "4" > on the survey). Or it > could be due to my expectation (since childhood) > that the world as I've > known it would come to an end within my lifetime. > Not end entirely, just > as I've known it. That's seems awful, I know. > Maybe it's Zoloft humour, Lori - I take Zoloft for depression too - so your comment got me laughin'. It (Zoloft) does tend to kind of flatten things, takes the edge off the highs and the lows, but I function much better as a human being for it (nowadays I only act psycho when I'm having a serious case of PMS but in fact, I get so energetic when this happens that I get a LOT of stuff done in a short period of time). I've felt "depressed" on a surface level about the current state of affairs, and I have practical concerns about my safety and the safety of my children and have even gone so far as to ask myself the pointless old question, why did I have kids? (as if MY having kids or not makes a shitload of difference in the grand scheme of things, but ain't I important?) I do view things differently now - even today, there was a helicopter flying around downtown Toronto, and the weird part was, it was hovering here and there. It didn't look like an air ambulance coming in for a landing on the roof of the Hospital for Sick Children, or a traffic 'copter. I started feeling paranoid, imagining terrorists machine-gunning people, or dropping vials of biohazardous materials. I still don't know what that particular helicopter was all about - there are often helicopters flying around downtown, but I never used to notice them. I was able to talk myself out of my worries, but jeez, I'm paying a lot more attention to the sky and the sirens now than I ever did - it reminds me of when I was a kid worried about the monster in the closet or under the bed, so I had to go through in my head what I was seeing and hearing and talk myself into understanding - - and reeeaaalllly believing! - that the monster by the door was just a coat hanging there, or the footsteps heading for my room was just the floorboards expanding and contracting. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:12:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: depression/ anxiety NJC - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > There's been a bunch of synchroncity going on in my > life, and today I > received this survey about depression from American > Greetings, of all > places: > > http://apps.redidata.com/forest/surv/start.asp > > As for me, I've been worried because I HAVEN'T > really been depressed since > the events of September 11. It could be due to the > 100mg of Zoloft I take > each morning (which is probably why I scored a "4" > on the survey). Cripes - I just did the test and I rated a 14 (moderate to severe!) I think I had better think about increasing my dose (or slitting my throat! Now I'm REALLY depressed!) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:18:41 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: [JoniTribute2001] weekend plans Hi all! Sorry for posting to the JMDL as well as the Tribute list, but I am not sure if all attending next week's tribute in Toronto are signed up to that yahoo group! If you are not attending, delete now! The Harbourfront Tribute is Friday October 19th. Those that are attending the full deal, it is called for 6:00p.m. We will meet at 5:15 at the venue, to the left, outside the main entrance. As far as Saturday night is concerned, the plan is as follows: Meet at the Four Seasons Hotel (Avenue Road and Yorkville Ave.) in the lobby bar, at 5:00 p.m. Dinner reservations are for 7:00 p.m. @ Roberto's Ristorante 2622 Yonge St., 8 blocks north of Eglinton on the west side. Phone there is 416 489 2153. Reservatioin is under my name. Italian, family owned and run for many years, suberb food! We will have a fixed appetizer and antipasto first course, and then we can individually order a main course. No one will be disappointed, trust me on this one! We can then decide as we wish, what to do, and where to go, following! I do request that all who will attend the Saturday dinner e-mail me privately before Tuesday of next week, the 16th, as I must reconfirm the reservation- thanks! I am open to any suggestions any of you may have, with ideas prior to, or after Saturday dinner plans. Catherine McKay made a suggestion the other day- perhaps Saturday during the day? Let me know! Best to all, and can't wait to see everyone again! It will be awesome! Best Stephen in Vancouver NP: Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds live @ Luther College ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:27:55 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: consequences of war thus far njc Thus far: bombed and killed members of a UN task force working on removing land mines from Afghanistan. in exchange for Pakistan's cooperation, lifted the sanctions against Pakistan that were imposed for their refusal to abide by the nuclear test ban treaty and their ongoing development of nuclear arms, long rumored to be intended for use against their mortal enemy, India. This decision to lift sanctions may have very serious consequences some day in the next few years. in exchange for India's cooperation, lifted the sanctions against India that were imposed for their refusal to abide by the nuclear test ban treaty and their ongoing development of nuclear arms, long rumored to be intended for use against their mortal enemy, Pakistan. This decision to lift sanctions may have very serious consequences some day in the next few years. in exchange for Russian support and for their influence on Uzbekistan, Takmenistan, and the other states that were former Soviet republics, we have moved from supporting the right of the Chechnyan people in the fight against the Russian army; we have gone from considering the Chechnyans as freedom fighters to accepting the Russian definition of them as terrorists. For the sake of Russian cooperation we have abandoned the Chechnyan people to their fate at the hands of the Russian army. the Taliban has ended its prohibition against the raising of poppies and a new flood of heroin will be reaching us as soon as botanical possible. he Taliban asked for evidence; we refused to give them that evidence and in fact none of us have seen that evidence. We choose armed conflict rather than supply evidence. Instead of drawing nations outraged by September 11th into a coalition that would unite the world against terrorism, we have inflamed peoples against us. These are the not so glitzy high profile items but they are the real consequences of war. Always consider the total consequences. (the Rev) Vince NP: Woody Guthrie's This Land is your Land, Bruce's version Kate Bennett wrote: > i remind you that pacifism is not passivity...it is direct action, direct > resistance, refusing to cooperate with violence...this takes bravery...to > ask that we use our intelligence & diplomatic prowess to break the cycle of > violence... > > to me it is a pragmatic issue- violence is rarely effective...if it were we > would have had peace on this planet long ago... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:28:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) Here in Canada, being a bilingual country ;), many of the stores and delis have the prices posted for both pounds/ounces and kilos or grams, mostly because they're trying to appease different generations - "legally", they're supposed to be selling meat and cheese and so on by the gram or the kilo. I think people of my generation who were taught first the British weights and measures system (with the exception of STONE, which I never will get and I don't think anyone should have to!); then around 1967 or so, maybe the early 70s this country "officially" went metric, so we learned that. This means that most people in my age-range (people in their late 30s to early 50s, I guess) who were educated in Canada, probably understand the metric and British systems fairly well. My kids really aren't learning any British weights or measures at all - they have an easier time dealing with heights in metres and centimetres, and with weights in grams or kilos. If I talk about something weighing so-many pounds, or someone being so many feet tall, I need to translate it into metric for them. But one of my sisters-in-law, who was born and raised in Europe, has never understood the goofy British system. Metric is a heckuva lot more logical, and you don't need to memorize nearly as much stuff. All you have to do is move decimal points back and forth or add or subtract a zero here and there. NEver mind that a US gallon isn't the same as a British (or Canadian) gallon - how did THAT happen, I wonder? But if you're ever worried about how much roast beef to buy, I usually just say, "Can I have four slices of your rare roast beast, please?" or, I say, "Give me about THIS much" while indicating how thick or long a piece with my fingers - it's a lot easier than trying to figure out that 100 gm is more or less 3 ounces (what does that really mean anyway in terms of cold cuts?) - --- colin wrote: > Wally-I am rather mixed about measurements. > I do all my designing in cms. > If you tell me you are 1.7m tall, I don't know what > that is. If you tell me you > are 5ft 10", i undertsand that. > If you tell me you are 200lbs that is meaningless > almost. If you tell me you are > 100kgs that is also meanignless. But if if you tell > me you are 14stone, I know > that one! > At the deli I order in gms(law now-not al,lowed to > selll in lbs) but i know what > I am doing. I know a kg is about 2lbs(2.2 actually), > and 100 grams is about a > 1/4 tho more like 3 1/2 ozs. The only time i stop > and think is when the price > for meat is per kg. Like sirloin is genrally about > #12(pounds) per kilo, so > about #6(pounds) per lb. No that is about $9 per lb. > > I have to think about how far a yarn weighed in > pounds will go but if it is in > kg I know without thinking. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:35:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: dates and measurements njc - --- Dolphie Bush wrote: > I know it [metric] is on the dashboard in the > car but no one uses it > and since the roads are still marked in miles, it is > useless for that. Still > confuses the hell out of me. > I had to keep reminding myself, when I was in Boston, that 60 wasn't really as slow as it seemed to be because it was 60 MILES per hour, not 60 kilometres per hour - I kept having to check my speed to make sure I wasn't going too fast! Our car speedometers are in KPH only, so if you ever rent a car in Canada, you had better brush up on your metric! Basically 100 kph = 60 mph (usual highway speed - the one posted, not necessarily what people drive unless there are cops around) 60 kph = 35 mph (a busy non-residential city street speed) 50 kph = 30 mph (the usual speed you should drive in a city "unless otherwise posted") 40 kph = 25 mph (speed to be used in school zones or quiet residential neighbourhoods.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:39:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: dates and measurements (njc) catherine, this is so cultural! i'm sorry folks, but i love this topic. when we buy cold cuts here we always use weights. if you asked for a number of slices, you would look... well, poor. isn't that ludicrous? culture works that way. and then what's wrong with saying ''cold cuts''? at the last jonifest, someone [was it les?] made fun of me because i said ''cold cuts'' [i was referring to ham, deli turkey, stuff like that]. was i wrong? were they picking on me? [maybe it was brian, not les.] wally, rare rare rare roast-beef crazy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:54:58 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) "Cold cuts" is a phrase used in the part of midwest that has been my home, but it seems that I hear the phrase less. Deli is a word used some but not much. We mainly eat: lunch meat. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:58:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: dates and measurements (njc) well, this is getting more and more interesting [at least for me]. so who says pop, who says soft drink, who says soda among you? i swear i am serious. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: Vince Lavieri [mailto:revrvl@chartermi.net] Enviado el: Viernes, 12 de Octubre de 2001 12:55 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; joni Asunto: Re: dates and measurements (njc) "Cold cuts" is a phrase used in the part of midwest that has been my home, but it seems that I hear the phrase less. Deli is a word used some but not much. We mainly eat: lunch meat. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:03:39 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: RE: dates and measurements (njc) Wally! In Canada, we still refer to it as cold cuts or deli- always have! Cold cuts seems to be the frame of reference from our parents generation, and we yuppies have probably assumed the more politically correct deli! But I still hear both, when I am at Santa Barbara deli counter on Commercial Drive! Rememeber Wally? We order either by # of slices- nothing at all wrong with that, or, by weight. Here, you can find some shops and counters that still deal in pounds, others that deal in grams..... a bit confusing, but I, luckily, am always able to leave with just the right amount that I am desiring! Sent me some Argentine roast beef!!!!!! Stephen in Vancouver NP: Tim Hardin- Hang on to a Dream this is so cultural! i'm sorry folks, but i love this topic. when we buy cold cuts here we always use weights. if you asked for a number of slices, you would look... well, poor. isn't that ludicrous? culture works that way. and then what's wrong with saying ''cold cuts''? at the last jonifest, someone [was it les?] made fun of me because i said ''cold cuts'' [i was referring to ham, deli turkey, stuff like that]. was i wrong? were they picking on me? [maybe it was brian, not les.] wally, rare rare rare roast-beef crazy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 22:05:04 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: dates and measurements (njc) pop in Calgary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:08:15 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: dates and measurements njc wally, in texas, we either say cold cuts or sandwich meat but the latter is more prevalent. as far as cokes, that is what we say. "let's go get a coke" whether it is actually coke or not. rarely we say soda and even more rare pop. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:13:04 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) In a message dated 10/11/01 11:03:57 PM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << so who says pop, who says soft drink, who says soda among you? i swear i am serious. >> Although it had all but died out in Massachusetts, when I was a kid we called it tonic. When I get together with my sister, we keep the tradition alive (and we speak with our childhood accents -- really hahhhhhhhd on the eeyas, or "hard on the ears"). --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 00:21:24 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) Smurf!!! This so reminds me of Ashara's Sal and his famous BBQ mahhhhkings!!! (grill marks to the rest of us!) LOL! Stephen in Vancouver Although it had all but died out in Massachusetts, when I was a kid we called it tonic. When I get together with my sister, we keep the tradition alive (and we speak with our childhood accents -- really hahhhhhhhd on the eeyas, or "hard on the ears"). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:50:44 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Still No Joni in LA Times la timesI still have not found the Joni 9/11 paintings in the L.A. Times but here is a link to somewhat related article which makes me wonder if they decided to change their slant on the issue. (Or maybe Joni is still "revising" a painting or two? ;-) Kakki, wondering if Coco will be traveling to London, too http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/printedition/calendar/la-000080729oct10. story ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:26:05 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: toboggan njc wally, you have made me think of this. we have always, in the texas panhandle where i grew up and now, here in central texas, called the knit caps we wear in winter toboggans. my best friend rosalie comes from nebraska and she told us that toboggans were sleighs, not knit caps. sure enough, i looked it up in the dictionary and knit cap wasn't listed, but everyone here says that. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:29:59 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: scripture njc I like this one for these times: "Behold, I send ye forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves" (Matthew 10:16) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:58:21 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) wallyk wrote: > well, this is getting more and more interesting [at least for me]. > so who says pop, who says soft drink, who says soda among you? i swear i am > serious. I'm going to answer lots of things at once! Some people here still talk about bodyweight in stones/pounds, but we're metric, so it should be kilos. Personally I use both. Our distances are all metric, but I still find myself converting from kilometres to miles, because Whangarei (my home town) was exactly 100 miles from Auckland, and I knew it was a 2 - 2.5 hour drive. So in order to work out the time to get somewhere, I convert to miles. Weird, I know! Speeds are metric too (obviously) and I tend to think of them as metric. The conversion is easy though, one kilometre is 5/8 of a mile. Food is bought in metric, not imperial, although my mother still talks about buying a "pound of butter" rather than 1/2 a kilo. And milk was sold in pint bottles (600ml) up until just a few years ago. Cold cuts confused me when I first heard the expression. We would say "cold meats" I guess, although I'm generally more specific about whatever I'm talking about, eg. ham, pastrami, luncheon, etc. (Luncheon = Luncheon sausage = bologna). Buying by the slice is fine, unless it's too hard, like shaved ham or very thinly sliced salami - although it can be fun annoying the deli staff with a request for "37 slices of shaved ham, please"! We have cocktail sausages here, which are very small sausages made of luncheon (or bologna), with bright red "plastic" skin (kids love them). They've always been known amongst me and my friends as "little boys" which I have to be very careful of when I'm buying them - for obvious reasons! Soda would mean soda water, pop would be music ;o) - we would say soft drink, although again, I tend to be more specific (coke, lemonade, etc.) Our drinks are also measured in mls, not oz. So a can of coke/beer is usually about 350 mls, and bottles are 300ml, 600ml, 1.5 litres, 2.25 litres, etc. A corner store is a dairy. And we don't "take-out" we "take-away". This was fun! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 18:16:17 +1300 From: "hell" Subject: Re: desert island books > We've talked about desert island CDs - what about books? Anyone > want to name their top 5 (or 10)? Here are some of my favorites: Ah, a subject close to my heart! My top ten (this will be hard) - in no order except for No. 1: 1. The Bone People - Keri Hulme. No question, my favourite book in the world. I've read it at least 20 times, probably more. 2. The Stand - Stephen King. But the uncut, re-released version. His best work by far. 3. The Scarpetta Series - Patricia Cornwell. OK, I know I'm supposed to pick one, but it's soooo hard! I'll say "The Body Farm" for now, and change my mind in five minutes! 4. Janet Frame - An Autobiography. I'm cheating because it's actually in three parts, but I do have them in one volume. A fascinating look at the life of NZ's most successful author - at least she was successful everywhere but here! 5. On The Beach - Nevil Shute. A little dated in some of it's concepts (particularly the place of women in society!), but he's still a wonderful story-teller. 6. The Clan Of The Cave Bear - Jean M. Auel. Another great story-teller, weaving fact into fiction. 7. Watership Down - Richard Adams. A classic. 8. The Secret Garden - Frances Hodgson. Another timeless classic. 9. The Thorn Birds - Colleen McCullough. Another great story-teller. 10. The Edge of Reason - Helen Fielding. Have to have something to make me laugh, and this is 10 times funnier than her first book (Bridget Jones' Diary) These will change again in five minutes or so - I'll probably be cursing myself as soon as I hit send, because I forgot something essential! I haven't even mentioned Douglas Adams, or C.S. Lewis, or Michael Crichton, or Tom Sharpe, or John Grisham, or Fay Weldon, or Ira Levin, or....... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #475 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?