From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #474 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 474 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: depression NJC - Now - James Taylor Saves! [FredNow@aol.com] RE: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) [colin ] NJC Lorraine Gervais - Sampler Problems ["Ron Greer" ] Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing [colin ] Re: birthday thoughts NJC [colin ] Re: scripture njc [colin ] Re: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] NJC - Scripture Posting Etc (Actually A Little Joni Content) (longish) ["] Re: robert holliston!!!!!! NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] S&L Biog [Mr Jamie Zubairi ] Shadows and Light The Definitive Biography ["Bill Pearson" ] NJC Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: depression njc [AsharaJM@aol.com] suggested reading (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] depression / anxiety / YOGA (NJC) [Emily K Gray ] Feelings of depression and stress - njc ["Frank, Catherine" ] Re: NJC - Scripture Posting Etc (Actually A Little Joni Content)(longish) [colin ] Attention Boston-area JMDLers!! (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] funny NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] more reading (njc) [Anne Sandstrom ] njc, Using the Dictionary, was In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) ["jlamado] Re: biblical quoting NJC ["Lori R. Fye" ] desert island books [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] biblical quoting (njc) ["shane mattison" ] canadian shot dead in kuwait (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: depression njc ["Garret" ] Re: biblical quoting NJC ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: more reading (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: desert island books [Merk54@aol.com] dates and measurements (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] discussions on war njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: dates and measurements (njc) [colin ] dates and measurements njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:50:21 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: depression NJC - Now - James Taylor Saves! Phyliss Ward wrote: >He was so damn humble and appreciative >of both his band members and us that us it blew my mind. The concert lasted >a full 3 hours including one 20 minute break. His band was awesome, most >impressive were Jon Landau on guitar Michael Landau, who is awesome. I think Jon Landau is Bruce Springsteen's manager. Speaking of James ... I have accepted James Taylor as my personal savior. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 05:19:58 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing Once I heard a Jewish person asking why "the Jews" can't forgive the Nazis and their collaborators. I recall a taint of smugness in the question, as if Christianity invented the concept of forgiveness. Anyway, the fellow said that he could personally find it in his heart to forgive anyone, but he could not be arrogant enough to forgive on behalf of other people. So "the Jews" collectively and "the state" collectively really can't forgive in any meaningful way. > there's a crucial difference between > states and individuals... > individuals can forgive other individuals > for i too am a sinner... > From: "colin" > > So Jesus didn't mean it when he told us to turn the other cheek and > > forgive? - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:27:05 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: birthday thoughts NJC Folks, I've just turned 46 (and have therefore caught up with Mark Scott ;-) Thanks to WallyK and Stephen and others who've emailed. I'll never complain about getting older again. I'm going to spend my birthday celebrating the people who bring light into my life, and who let me bring light into theirs. My dad, my sister, my brothers, and my friends, many of whom are JMDLers. I've been a member of this list for almost four years, and I've made some close and permanent personal friendships with other listers. There could be no greater birthday present than the JMDL because it's a gift every single day. Love and best thoughts to all, Roberto _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:46:52 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) thank you to eevryone who answered my question. No wonder the 'poem' didn't make sense! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:40:10 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: NJC Lorraine Gervais - Sampler Problems Hi Laurent >>Hi Laurent >>I just dowloaded the MP3 free software (Thompson) in Lorraine Gervais' site >>and it still does it. Any idea? almost certainly a bandwidth problem - your system cant download the stream as quick as it plays, so theres a delay as the buffer fills up, it plays whats in the buffer, & then starts filling the buffer again. if you have slow bandwidth, the trick is to download the entire audio file to your machine before playing it. there are a number of utilities available to do this, though the only one i have used personally is called ASFRecorder (available free at www.Cnet.com ). i have only ever used this to capture windows streaming format files (with an asf extension) (this is may in some cases be a copyright violation - download the file, listen to it & delete it!!). apparently gozilla (another free download manager available at cnet ((what a great site!!)) can also do the job, but i have never tried it personally. ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:55:56 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing Deb-what you wrote is correct. Forgivenss is a personal thing. I also think it is something that 'happens' rather than something one decides to do. If only it wsas that easy to to just decide to forgive. You main point about an individual forgiving someone's actions toward someone else, is also true, at elast to me. Peopl talk a lot of crap when it comes to forgiveness. I recall talking to a priest some years ago about this question of forgiveness. When i detailed what it was I was struggling to forgive he told me to leave it to God. How could I expect myself to forgive that? was i God? Not the answer I was expecting at all! i expected him to give me the magic answer so i could forgive! he relieved me of a lot of guilt and shame at my being unable to forgive. I would add that although I cannot say I have forgiven, I am not filled with hatred either. the people I want to forgive no longer run my life and no longer live rent free in my head. That is the best i can do. And I DO know what it is like to want to kill. Deb Messling wrote: > Once I heard a Jewish person asking why "the Jews" can't forgive the Nazis > and their collaborators. I recall a taint of smugness in the question, as > if Christianity invented the concept of forgiveness. Anyway, the fellow > said that he could personally find it in his heart to forgive anyone, but he > could not be arrogant enough to forgive on behalf of other people. So "the > Jews" collectively and "the state" collectively really can't forgive in any > meaningful way. > > > there's a crucial difference between > > states and individuals... > > individuals can forgive other individuals > > for i too am a sinner... > > > From: "colin" > > > So Jesus didn't mean it when he told us to turn the other cheek and > > > forgive? > > ----------------------------------- > Deb Messling =^..^= > ----------------------------------- - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:57:50 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: birthday thoughts NJC Dear Robert, I must have missed the announcement of your birthday. I hope you had a good day. I agree with you. I am just amzed and grateful each time I pass another birthday. Thta I have survived this long amazes me. Whta good fortune. It seems we EXPECT a long life yet it is only luck. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:05:47 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: scripture njc Dolphie Bush wrote: > i have had all of this scripture quoting i can deal with. the bible clearly > states that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. the catholic > and/or the lutheran church are not found anywhere in the scriptures of the > bible. I undertsand how you feel about this Mack. The bible is a book put together by people and as such it is flawed and filled with stuff that is not loving or right, to suit those that put it together. By the way, there are books written by believers who do a very good job of explaining the gay thing and how it has been interpreted to suit those that are bigotted in the first place. If one truly is coming from a place of love and has truly found 'God', then one would reject the condemnation of gays immediately because it is so obviouly wrong, un loving and untrue. Those that accept the Xtian teaching that gays are bad, are bigots pure and simple. If not they would have rejected this 'teaching'. Anyone with a brain and half an ounce of understanding of human beings would know that homosexuality is not a bad thing. To think that God thinks so is crap and shows astounding arrogance on the part of the person who believes it. Jesus, by the way, never said anything about us. He didn't think it was important! But He DID condemn those who condemn us. That much is obvious when one reads what he said(or is supposed to ahev said) in the bible. Regardless of how it is dressed up, seeign gays as less than is bigotry, prejudice, and evil. Nothing less. To me it is even more vile when done in 'the name of Jesus'. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:59:01 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) Smurphy wrote : <<<< Like Wow <> Bob, ...I have to admit I've never seen one that long before. >> Thanks, Victor! --Bob, beaming with pride>> LOL LOL Bobby! Somehow I don't think that's what Victor meant :~) but speaking of palindromes, how about : Yo! Banana Boy! Do geese see god? Jimmy (24 hours until Toronto and Joni!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:40:45 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: NJC - Scripture Posting Etc (Actually A Little Joni Content) (longish) Hi this turned out longer than expected. it is response to some recent postings, and some old postings. it is about god, & the bible, & women, & gays. if you dont want to read it - please dont, & i apologise for using your bandwidth. i would hope that people would read it with an open mind tho. please lets be tolerant. some people believe, some dont, some are anti, some believe differently. some of those who are aggressively anti, have adopted that viewpoint for some very good reasons. generally because they have been emotionally, and otherwise abused in the name of christianity. it happens - preachers etc get up & preach without any love, or understanding, or compassion. lets be understanding. take a listen to "the magdalene laundries" - yes it was written about a specific place/institution, but, man, does it apply to so much of the church, and many, many christians today. hypocrisy, hard heartedness, double standards etc. are all very common. i esp love the line which talks about the "if these bloodless brides of christ could catch one glimpse" etc, etc. (i cant recall how it goes)(trivia time - what song am i quoting - "i cant recall how it goes"??) the line about the sister being buried, stuffed in a whole in the ground. how many christians, and potential christians, and others does that apply to. not physically, but emotionally, and spiritually. i am willing to bet there a large number on this list. people whose very lives have been stunted, and sometimes even physically ended. i admire vince greatly - i dont agree with all of his viewpoints, and i would love to know more about some of them. but i really do like & respect what i know of him. he makes his points, hes not offensive, hes compasionate, caring, and sensitive. he also gets upset occasionally - in short hes human!! a person who i would be proud to call friend if i had contact with him (ill settle for calling him an acquaintance till i know him better) i also like his sense of humour :-) i would love to know more about his pacifist viewpoint, because it greatly echoes what is in my heart. i cannot reconcile the idea of killing, yet i cannot see how people can just allow themselves to be abused. i suppose here i should throw in the hamlet quote from "to be or not to be" - (slings & arrows etc.) that pretty much sums up how i feel if you substitute "moral" for "noble". killing people in retribution for the wtc sucks. so does letting them get away with it. i suppose its pretty much the same dilemna god had with people & sin. they broke the law. god is righteous, and therefore had to punish. god is also compassionate & loving - he understood *WHY* people broke the law - so he sent jesus to die for our sins. doesnt the bible say something about "now mercy & truth are met together" - so where do we find that reconciliation of justice and mercy in our lives & world?? now for the potentially controversial part - *please* read what i am saying from my heart, and dont just react on the basis of past bad experience. i disagree with him on the issue of homosexuality. i certainly do not have a problem associating with gays of either sex, calling them friends, loving them as friends, learning many lessons in life from them etc. in many ways i prefer their company as i often find them to be more compassionate, & understanding ( a generalisation yes - i have found some to be mean, petty, manipulative, etc - i.e. just like straights there are good & bad) some people say the bible condemns gays, & therefore reject it. others say it doesnt & that gay christianity is allowable. my personal viewpoint is that homosexuality is wrong. *BUT* it is no more wrong than fornication with same sexes etc. it is no more wrong than pride, or hating someone, or being a hypocrite. actually, its probably less wrong. love got first place in the 10 commandments, and was also pinpointed by jesus as *the* crucial commandment. being gay is not evene mentioned in the ten commandments - i assume it it is just lumped in with fornication? so the preacher who preaches hellfire for gays, then goes out & hangs out with hookers, or has an affair with his secretary, or divorces his wife & marries some sexy young thing he has a lust for, then condemns gays, better watch out - he is in serious danger of being judged himself. jesus took a whip to these hypocrites, he had time, and patience & compassion those who were basically decent people, who may happen to have been drinkers, prostitutes, gays etc. someone quoted the line about homosexuals not inheriting the kingdom of heaven. yes, it is there, and it is true (wouldnt be there if it wasnt). but there are two very important things to remember. - it is *not* just homosexuals, there are a number of people the bible says will not inherit the kingdom of heaven (i am somewhat rusty on my bible & so cannot elaborate more) - what is the "kingdom of heaven"?? is it going to heaven when you die? no - it is clearly defined as something like "righteousness, peace & joy in the holy ghost" (scripture interprets scripture - if something is mentioned somewhere, it will be defined elsewhere) i.e. something that is experienced here & now - totally separate & distinct from any life after death experience (kind of a "heaven" on earth if you will). so are people who may have some problem of sin in their lives condemned to hell? not !!!!. they may just be missing out on some of the benefits that a genuinely holy life can bring in the here & now. at one stage of my life i had a really close walk with god, & believe me the peace, and joy that his presence brings is really something amazing. walk closely with god, & the 10 commandments become 10 promises. i.e. not laws for you to follow, but conditions of being which you will become.... experiencing the love, and presence of god is something which cannot be described - like sight to the blind, or music to the deaf. i really dont have a clue as to how a gay person may think, or feel, or be. i dont therefore will not interfere in any relationship which they may have with god - i dont think i am capable. i will however be a friend, if i dont have answers, i will give companionship & love. as far as that crap (sorry - no other word to describe it!!), that some "preachers" spouted about the wtc attack being gods judgement/punishment for the moral (according to them) decay of the us. they must believe in a god with amazingly double standards. if god was going to hand out punishments for sin, why on earth did he send jesus to die for sins???? DUH!! no brainer there... someone also questioned the whole man/woman thing. well, back in the days of the judges in the old testament, i seem to remember a woman judge being appointed to rule the country!! no question about authority/submission there!!! paul had a whole lot to say on the issue. but it doesnt make sense to me, and ive read it repeatedly, in a number of versions. take one line out of context and it seems he is vehemently anti woman, take the whole passage in context, and it seems to me contradictory and illogical. he goes on about hair coverings, and not allowing a woman to preach etc. then says something along the lines of "but if anyone be contentious, i(we?) have no such rule, neither the body of christ" i just dont follow the logic. perhaps it would be all very different if theyd had emoticons in those days :-)?? paul used irony , and sarcasm in other writings - was he not also using it in that passage?? ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 07:46:43 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: robert holliston!!!!!! NJC Happy Birthday Roberto!!!! in honor of your birthday, I'll be posting those Lahmfest photos soon. such fond memories love, Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:09:38 +0100 From: Mr Jamie Zubairi Subject: S&L Biog I got my copy today!!!!! It must have been an omen as I woke up late for work, and just as I was getting out of the shower, the door went, and I answered it in my towel and lo and behold the postman was there with alarge book from amazon!!!! Took it out and leafed through it. It looks really classy with a dust cover and some photos on the inside. Well done Karen O'Brien !!!!!!!! Jamie Zoob - -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:29:49 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Shadows and Light The Definitive Biography has arrived and is in my hands as I type. Which is quite awkward, actually :) Bill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:43:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) And in a bizarre case of synchronicity, today's DATE is a palindrome: 10-11-01 That doesn't happen very often! Hope everyone has a great palindrome day, happy birthday to you Roberto!! I'm singing the Hallelujah Chorus in your honor...;~) Bob NP: Neil, "Someday" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:51:09 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: depression njc Trying to catch up on things, and read this. I think a lot of people have given you very good advice, Phyllis. The most important thing is to know you are not alone, and to take the time you need to get through this. For me, I am trying to live each day to the fullest, and deeply appreciating all that I have. Life is feeling very precious right about now. We are all here for you. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:08:42 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: suggested reading (njc) For those who want to read more on the making of the terrorists, I'd suggest reading "The New Jackals" by Simon Reeve. It's published by Northeastern University Press, here in Boston. It startes with the original WTC bombing. The first third describes the manhunt for Ramzi Yousef and what he did in the almost 2 years it took to finally arrest him. I've only gotten a little further than that, but it is fascinating reading. It is also well researched, with much of the material coming from Yousef's trial and from interveiws the author conducted with key investigators. One warning. You may feel a bit more paranoid after reading this book. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:14:50 -0400 From: Emily K Gray Subject: depression / anxiety / YOGA (NJC) uh oh. now that i'm thinking about yoga a lot i may let some of that leak into my JMDL postings! yikes! (and i hope this does not offend anyone's religious beliefs. it's just my own experience being offered.) i have no real religious beliefs, nor have cared to have any, either before 9/11 or (most certainly) after. however, in my yoga class the other morning the teacher read a passage from a hindu text (i think) that said something to the effect of: when we practice peace and healing for ourselves, we practice it for all people. i almost burst into tears. it let me believe that one of the most powerful things i can do is work to find peace and calm and healing in my own head -- that doing that isn't "frivolous" or isn't "just to make myself FEEL better" (though it does). what it means is that there exists some kind of oneness, and where you can start with change is right here, right now. with ME. this may be obvious to those who know more eastern religions or philosophies, but to me -- it was an utter, joyous surprise. and -- i try to come back to thinking that when anxiety or sadness threatens to swamp me. still in an offering help ideas mode, emily in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:37:58 -0400 From: "Frank, Catherine" Subject: Feelings of depression and stress - njc I'm breaching my usual personal code of conduct and responding from my work e-mail (where I subbed to the digest in order to just keep on top of things), since I think this particular issue is kind of related to my job. Feelings of stress or depression at a time like this - a most unusual time and one none of us has ever experienced personally before - are very, very normal. This morning I heard on the radio news about a survey saying that some 60% of Americans have reported difficulty sleeping and a whole bunch of symptoms of stress - symptoms many people here have reported - since Sept. 11. Anecdotal reports here in Canada suggest similar numbers. I'm sure if they were to survey people in the UK, and possibly other parts of Europe, now especially, it would also reveal similar numbers - the only thing that might possibly mitigate this in the UK is that they may be more "used" to this (though I hate to say it) because of IRA bombings and similar things. Some of the suggested ways of dealing with this are: continue to keep your normal routines; talk to people about it; if it's really extreme and you're afraid you can't cope, and none of the methods suggested by other listers seem to be helping, don't be afraid to ask for medical help. If you've got kids, especially young ones, pay attention to how they're behaving with and talking to one another - watch the games they're playing and how they talk to their dolls and toys, the kinds of dreams and thoughts they might share with you - often kids who have difficulty talking to adults about this will act out their feelings with their toys. Just as an example, and I'm trying not to blow this out of proportion in my own mind, my 11-year old son last night was all freaked out and scared about scary thoughts that had come into his head - he said his mind was telling him to cut people's hearts and livers out and to hurt people, and he wanted it to stop. I told him lots of people have bad and scary thoughts about things that they would never really do and it was one way of your mind dealing with scary things. I'm not sure how much of this relates to the events of Sept 11 and the current happenings in Afghanistan - it appears he's not paying a LOT of attention to that, but that may be a coping mechanism that he's using - I know that Matthew often prefers to shove unpleasant thoughts away and doesn't want to be forced to discuss them, so I'm glad he decided to talk to me about it, rather than my having to pry. I do remember having scary thoughts of that kind myself when I was around that age. And one nice thing is that his sister was so kind to him, last night and this morning, asking him how he was feeling and so on and whether he was still having scary thoughts. This is gratifying because a lot of the time they're beating the crap out of each other or teasing one another without mercy. One day, the world will return to normal, we all hope. In the meantime, don't be afraid to laugh and cry and talk about it and treat yourself and others well. Catherine McKay Frank (The person also known as anima_rising@yahoo.ca) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 06:47:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: birthday thoughts NJC > Folks, > I've just turned 46 (and have therefore caught up with Mark Scott ;-) That's very sweet of you, Roberto, but alas, not true. Hope your birthday is (or was) fantastic! Love, Mark E. (Scott) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:23:17 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC - Scripture Posting Etc (Actually A Little Joni Content)(longish) > my personal viewpoint is that homosexuality is wrong. oh dear, where have I heard this from before? And why do i always hear it prefaced by the the person saying they do not judge? This whole piece is hypocritical and a nonsense. Homesexuality is as wrong as being woman, as being non white, as being red haired, as being left handed. Clearly people who make this statement do not undertsand anything at all about homosexuality. It is not a choice, tho if it were it still would not make it wrong. It is alos not just about sex-it is about a WHOLE person. A celibate homosexual is still a homosexual. When you say homosexuality is wrong, bad, a sin. you are saying I, ME, am those things becazuse we are not talking about an action but a being. I know this is waste of time, this reply, but you never know..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:25:27 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) Not if you use the correct 11.10.01!!!! '-) i remeber an amercian being confused by my boirthdate, 16.12.58 because there isn'yt a 16th motnh! duh! I am not being serious, okay? mind you it makes more sense to me to name the day, then the month and then the year. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > And in a bizarre case of synchronicity, today's DATE is a palindrome: > > 10-11-01 > > That doesn't happen very often! > > Hope everyone has a great palindrome day, happy birthday to you Roberto!! I'm singing the Hallelujah Chorus in your honor...;~) > > Bob > > NP: Neil, "Someday" - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i, 940,860,864,890, 260,Silver 830,860, 580 and 270, Passap 6000, Duo80. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:52:23 -0700 (PDT) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Photos from David Lahm's Jonifest Hello Jimdles, Please come see the Lahmfest photos on PhotoIsland.com! To get there, simply click the address below and enter your guest password: lahm http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=rosejoy47 If that doesn't work, go to www.photoisland.com, and log in to my albums with the following information: Log-in ID: rosejoy47 Guest Password: lahm Best if viewed in a Netscape browser Run the slideshow Please be sure and sign my guestbook _________________________________________________________________ See you @ PhotoIsland! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: RE: depression/ anxiety NJC There's been a bunch of synchroncity going on in my life, and today I received this survey about depression from American Greetings, of all places: http://apps.redidata.com/forest/surv/start.asp As for me, I've been worried because I HAVEN'T really been depressed since the events of September 11. It could be due to the 100mg of Zoloft I take each morning (which is probably why I scored a "4" on the survey). Or it could be due to my expectation (since childhood) that the world as I've known it would come to an end within my lifetime. Not end entirely, just as I've known it. That's seems awful, I know. Regardless of how I'm dealing with things (or not), I believe that feeling depressed is absolutely normal for anyone right now. Our cozy lives in these United States have changed, probably forever. The changes are good as well as bad, though, and we are learning what is important and what can be let go when the chips are down. I'm really grateful that -- despite whatever troubles life can bring -- all of you are alive and relatively well. I'm grateful for this community, for having so many good friends of spirit here. So very grateful that we can be supportive of each other at times like this, and always. Oh crud, I'm getting all sentimental now ... Back to work! : ) Lori in MD ~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:27:23 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Attention Boston-area JMDLers!! (NJC) Some of you in the Boston area may be interested in the following: The band I am in is having a special night tomorrow night as you can see below, and the Memorial Concert the next evening will be an incredible evening. Many of you may know the choral group "On Wings of Song." They recorded many CD's in the early 90's. Even though Wings is no longer together, we are reuniting to sing for this concert. Please come if you can! Hugs, Ashara - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fall greetings to all of you! We have all been deeply affected by the tragedies of September 11th. We, the Village Circle Band, would like to dedicate our next Circle Dance on October 12 to Peace. All proceeds from this dance will go towards the September 11th Fund. We hope you will able to join us for a wonderful and important night of dancing. Please bring food to share if you can. I'd also like to invite each of you to spread the word of this dance as well as a Memorial Peace Concert the very next night, also at the Belleville Church. More details on this at the bottom of the page. SACRED CIRCLE DANCE with the VILLAGE CIRCLE BAND! Friday, OCTOBER 12- Circle dances have been danced since ancient times. Sacred Circle Dancing grew out of the wish to acknowledge the sacred dimension of traditional dances. All dances are taught. No partner needed. Please bring food to share. 7:30-10:00 PM. Belleville Church, Newburyport. Call Ashara at 978-887-9708 for more info. FUTURE DATES: Friday, NOVEMBER 9 SATURDAY, DECEMBER 15- WINTER SOLSTICE CELEBRATION!!! Bring an appetizer or snack, wear white if you like. Remember to visit us at our website!! www.villagecircleband.com Memorial Peace Concert Saturday evening , October 13th, Kristina Olsen and Lyra (Olsen ) Engel present an evening of music, poetry and prayer to honor their sister Laurie and the many thousands of souls who lives were lost on September 11. They will be joined by other local musicians, ministers and an ensemble of the choral group "On Wings Of Song". This evening of healing is open to the public who are warmly invited to attend. The concert begins at 7:30 pm at the Belleville Church Parish Hall located on High Street in Newburyport, Mass. There will be a memorial table set up for pictures of friends and loved ones who were lost in the tragedy. Bring your pictures, and we will surround them with candles, flowers and love. DIRECTIONS TO THE BELLEVILLE CHURCH IN NEWBURYPORT: Route 95 North Get off at Exit 57, W. Newbury-Newburyport Bear right, towards Newburyport. At end of ramp, at stop sign, take a right onto High St. Go 1.3 miles Take a left onto Chapel St. (across the street is a sign that says, bSimplicity Burial and Cremation Services.) Park, and go into the church door on your right. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:30:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: funny NJC This was too funny. Thanks! Most people assume WWJD is for "What would Jesus do?". But the initials really have been changed to stand for "What would Jesus drive?". One theory is that Jesus would tool around in an old Plymouth because the Bible says, "God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury". But in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo. The passage urges the Jesus to "pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm". Perhaps God favors Dodge pickup trucks, because Moses' followers are warned not to go up a mountain "until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast". Some scholars insist that Jesus drove a Honda but didn't like to talk about it. As proof, they cite a verse in St. John's gospel where Christ tells the crowd, "For I did not speak of my own Accord..." Meanwhile, Moses rode an old British motorcycle, as evidenced by a Bible passage declaring that "the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills". Joshua drove a Triumph sports car with a hole in its muffler: "Joshua's Triumph was heard throughout the land". And, following Jesus' lead, the Apostles car pooled in a Honda... "The Apostles were in one Accord". Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:32:57 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: more reading (njc) I've been looking for an "Islam 101" type site. I think this is pretty good and easy to read. http://www.geocities.com/mikailtariq/ It's as well balanced and informative as a site can be, although it does describe Islam in a favorable light as compared with other religions, without dismissing those religions. I've started to believe that this war against terrorism will be won with information. It would take a long-winded explanation to describe all the implications of that. But that's only my opinion. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:12:18 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: njc, Using the Dictionary, was In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) There's always a dictionary as close as your web access. Go to www.webster.com Lama >>>What is a palindrome? A very confusing poem? seriously, i have never heard of the word. Was it a joke I didn't get? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:21:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: biblical quoting NJC Norma!!! LOL ... > Most people assume WWJD is for "What would Jesus do?". But the > initials really have been changed to stand for "What would Jesus > drive?". Thank you for that, and for dousing the flames here. I also love this quote in your signature, which I think would make a nice permanent addition to the "info message" that new JMDL subscribers receive: > "It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something > stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson : ) Lori in MD ~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:23:39 EDT From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: desert island books We've talked about desert island CDs - what about books? Anyone want to name their top 5 (or 10)? Here are some of my favorites: - - Karen and With Love from Karen by Marie Killilea - non fiction about a girl with cerebral palsy and her loving (and offbeat) family - - Waking the Moon by Elizabeth Hand - if anyone else has read it, I'd love to talk to you! fiction about goddess worship. I know, I heard the subject and thought it's just another "girl power" book, but it's better than that. - - at least one Harry Potter book - - biography of Johnny Gruelle, who created Raggedy Ann(are you noticing a childhood 'theme' here?) - - A Gentle Madness by Nicholas Basbanes, on the art of book collecting - - Edith Wharton's stories I'd love to see your lists! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:45:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) <> Oh, I totally understand...when I make my CD labels and inserts, just to avoid confusion I'll usually say "October 11, 2001" as opposed to using numbers, although sometimes if it's obvious like 9/23/57 I'll leave it as is. Unfortunately in the bootleg world this thing can cause confusion and make folks think that there are 2 shows when in actuality they're the same show with mixed-up dates. The James Taylor-Joni show has more dates connected with it than I had in high school, which is not a very good comparison as I had very few! :~( Bob NP: Sam Phillips, "Soul Eclipse" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:30:34 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: biblical quoting (njc) oh norma that was funny! lol and quite insightful... i can imagine the Lord laughing: Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:55:10 -0600 From: "Norma Meatheringham" Subject: biblical quoting NJC just to add more flames to the already raging fires... Most people assume WWJD is for "What would Jesus do?". But the initials really have been changed to stand for "What would Jesus drive?". One theory is that Jesus would tool around in an old Plymouth because the Bible says, "God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury". But in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo. The passage urges the Jesus to "pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm". Perhaps God favors Dodge pickup trucks, because Moses' followers are warned not to go up a mountain "until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast". Some scholars insist that Jesus drove a Honda but didn't like to talk about it. As proof, they cite a verse in St. John's gospel where Christ tells the crowd, "For I did not speak of my own Accord..." Meanwhile, Moses rode an old British motorcycle, as evidenced by a Bible passage declaring that "the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills". Joshua drove a Triumph sports car with a hole in its muffler: "Joshua's Triumph was heard throughout the land". And, following Jesus' lead, the Apostles car pooled in a Honda... "The Apostles were in one Accord". ~~~~~~~~ "Just when you think that a person is just a backdrop for the rest of the universe, watch them and see that they laugh, they cry, they tell jokes... they're just friends waiting to be made." -Dr. Jeffrey Borenstein "It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:59:08 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: canadian shot dead in kuwait (njc) many canadians, perhaps hundreds died in the world trade center crime. and today, the first canadian to die overseas occurred while just shopping with his wife, who was also seriously wounded... http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?f=/stories/20011011/730089.html shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:42:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: biblical quoting NJC Norma, LOL! Thanks for the humor! >>>Most people assume WWJD is for "What would Jesus do?". But the initials really have been changed to stand for "What would Jesus drive?"<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:31:51 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: depression njc Bob wrote: >Remember that grief is a process, not a destination. This is perhaps the wisest thing i have ever read on this list! GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 15:13:05 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: biblical quoting NJC > Most people assume WWJD is for "What would Jesus do?". But the > initials really have been changed to stand for "What would Jesus > drive?". > I thought WWJD was "What Would Jerry (Garcia) Do?" Deadheads Unite! Terrapin Station accepting applications now for jonifest 2002... Victor in Athens Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:23:49 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: more reading (njc) Anne wrote: > I've started to believe that this war against terrorism will >be won with information. It would take a long-winded >explanation to describe all the implications of that. But >that's only my opinion. I agree, Anne. Most Americans have been woefully behind in being educated about what has been going on for 20+ years with these middle eastern terrorist groups. They have been setting up in the U.S. for years and even though we would occasionally hear about them here and there, we had no idea how grave the situation was for us until 9/11. Informing ourselves may increase our fear but also can work to pinpointing just exactly what it is we are up against. I am one of those who doubts their insanity has anything to do with religion, even though they cloak their megalomania in it. This morning I saw Anwar Sadat's wife on TV telling how it was Bin Laden's right-hand man, Ayman Al Zawahiri, who ordered the assassination of her husband back in '81. She said Sadat knew for certain he would be assassinated by that group for making a peace accord with Israel but also knew he had to do it. I have also been reading articles in the New York Times and Washington Times about Zawahiri. Many think he is more dangerous than Bin Laden and will succeed Bin Laden if not stopped. Another interesting article I read today is a partial transcript from the Bin Laden group's latest broadcast of threats against the U.S. on the Qatar station. It exposes their lie that they were not responsible for the attack against the U.S. I guess there is no better proof than an admission straight from the source. Here is the link http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/31654.htm Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 16:22:17 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: desert island books Okay, I'll bite. In no particular order: The Little Prince by Antoine De Saint-Exupery. I was given a copy of this book, by one of my aunts, when I graduated from high school. At first I thought what an odd book to give some my age. After reading it, I thought it was one of the coolest gifts I've ever received. I try and read it at least once every couple of years, just to make sure I haven't completely turned into an adult. A Giacometti Portrait by James Lord. Absolutely the best books I've ever read on the creative process. An absolute must read for anyone interested in the mysteries of the arts! The Stand by Stephen King. What can I say, I'm a sucker for Stephen King, and in my opinion this is his best read (though The Shining is the one that kept me awake at night). The Complete Letters of Vincent Van Gogh : With Reproductions of All the Drawings in the Correspondence. An incredible look into the mind of one of the greatest artists of all time (IMHO). Heartbreaking, awe-inspiring, life affirming, you name it - this one has it all. The Lord of the Rings by J.R.R Tolkien. Okay, I'm gonna cheat here, and bring the hardbound, illustrated edition that contains all three books in it. When I was a just a youngster, I had a great relationship with the librarian at my grade school - probably because I read a lot, and was an advanced reader for my age. Anyway, one day when I was in 4th or 5th grade (I can't remember which), she pulled me aside, and suggested I read a book called The Hobbit, thinking I was ready to undertake something a little more demanding. I was blown away! Of course, she followed that recommendation with the three books that make up The Lord of the Rings. I can't tell you what an impact reading these book had on me. I can't wait till the movie comes out - based upon the trailers I've seen, I'm cautiously optimistic about them. Anyway, those are my top five. I thought this was easier than the desert island music challenge - in fact I still haven't been able to compile a list of only 10 disks. Maybe soon... Jack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 18:26:08 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: dates and measurements (njc) i always make mistakes when i have to write dates. we use day/month/year here, so i have to make a conscious effort to understand expiration dates, for example, when i'm in the us. another thing that's terribly hard for me to figure out is english measurements such as ''1/8 of an inch'' what on earth is 1/8 of an inch?! i am metric to the marrow so i need a calculator all the time when i'm in the us. i kind of learned ''a pound, half a pound, 1/3 of a pound'' so that i can buy roast beef at the deli counter in new york. [i can't live without beef because i'm an argentine so in the us i buy lots of roast beef.] when somebody tells me ''i'm 5'10'' or ''i'm 6' '' it doesn't make any sense in my head. for all i know, he might be telling me ''i'm 20 feet tall'' and i would still not know whether he's a shorty. i know the equivalences, but i take forever to do the arithmetic. another hard thing for me to figure out is whether someone is really skinny or a porker if they tell me their weight in pounds or, god forbid, in stone. STONE? all this to say, cyber dating is more difficult than you'd think. wallyK, almost back. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 14:17:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: discussions on war njc i think it is good to have these discussions but i don't think anyone is going to be persuaded by another's argument...for me, the value i find in posting my views is in hopes that others who feel the same will know they are not alone... my hope is that we can continue discussing without attacking another person for their opposing views... btw, i do believe that similar principles apply in personal relationships as they do in global ones...it is usually about a power struggle between opposing belief systems...another universal principle i believe in is that what we fear we are in danger of becoming... i remind you that pacifism is not passivity...it is direct action, direct resistance, refusing to cooperate with violence...this takes bravery...to ask that we use our intelligence & diplomatic prowess to break the cycle of violence... to me it is a pragmatic issue- violence is rarely effective...if it were we would have had peace on this planet long ago... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:18:30 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: dates and measurements (njc) Wally-I am rather mixed about measurements. I do all my designing in cms. If you tell me you are 1.7m tall, I don't know what that is. If you tell me you are 5ft 10", i undertsand that. If you tell me you are 200lbs that is meaningless almost. If you tell me you are 100kgs that is also meanignless. But if if you tell me you are 14stone, I know that one! At the deli I order in gms(law now-not al,lowed to selll in lbs) but i know what I am doing. I know a kg is about 2lbs(2.2 actually), and 100 grams is about a 1/4 tho more like 3 1/2 ozs. The only time i stop and think is when the price for meat is per kg. Like sirloin is genrally about #12(pounds) per kilo, so about #6(pounds) per lb. No that is about $9 per lb. I have to think about how far a yarn weighed in pounds will go but if it is in kg I know without thinking. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:22:35 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: dates and measurements njc Wally, I know what you mean, in reverse. I remember as a little boy, in the 2nd or 3rd grade, when the teacher first introduced the metric system to us. She told us we all had to learn it because by the time we got to high school the entire country was going to be using it, so we had to know how to use it to. We didn't understand it then and never did get a grasp of it, the little that we were taught over the years. As far as the country, it did little to use it either. I know it is on the dashboard in the car but no one uses it and since the roads are still marked in miles, it is useless for that. Still confuses the hell out of me. Mack ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #474 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?