From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #473 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 473 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Discussion list etiquette (was: new virus alert) ["Lori R. Fye" ] brian symes njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Paper's Progress [Vince Lavieri ] depression njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Lorraine Gervais sings Joni ["shane mattison" ] depression njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Lorraine Gervais sings Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Paper's Progress - Apologies [Vince Lavieri ] depression njc [Phyliss Ward ] Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) [jan ] good wars (njc) ["shane mattison" ] re: a good war (njc) [Fauchja@aol.com] Jonifest 2001 Webpage [AsharaJM@aol.com] Lorraine Gervais ["Laurent Olszer" ] good wars (njc) ain't no such thing [Vince Lavieri ] Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing ["shane mattison" ] Evil Bert, Evil Bin Laden (NJC) ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: FDR parallels (njc) [colin ] sons o' bitches (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing [colin ] Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing ["shane mattison" ] NJC ["Norma Meatheringham" ] scripture njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] oops njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: scripture njc ["Kakki" ] Re: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Ethel Merman's brush with palindromes (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] double standards njc [Vince Lavieri ] double standards indeed njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] apologize njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] robert holliston!!!!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] les ross!!!!!! ["kerry" ] Les Ross!!!!!! ["kerry" ] Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) [jan ] biblical quoting NJC ["Norma Meatheringham" ] RE: depression/ anxiety NJC ["patrick leader" ] Re: depression NJC - Now - James Taylor Saves! ; - ) [Phyliss Ward Subject: Discussion list etiquette (was: new virus alert) Thanks for the virus alert, Kammy, even though it was a false alarm. : ) A request to anyone who might want to forward anything to the list (and I've left the NJC off on purpose so all new subscribers will receive this info): Instead of clicking "Forward," please open a new email document and copy and paste the text you'd like to share. That will prevent the headers, footers, and other forwarding history (including others' email addresses) from appearing on JMDL posts. Same goes for replying to digests. It's better to open a new document, then copy and paste the parts of a particular post you want to reply to, rather than leaving the entire digest on the bottom of your email. Be sure to make the Subject relevant to what you're posting about, too (as opposed to "Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #472"). Thanks! Lori, not shaking her finger at anyone, just sending gentle reminders, in MD ~ Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:34:22 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: les njc happy birthday to les across the pond! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:34:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: brian symes njc belated happy birthday to you brian!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:01:46 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Paper's Progress The online server at GVSU is down so I took off of work and went to my GVSU campus to get some more research articles so I would have four -- I am home and working on the paper with all haste. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 12:52:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: depression njc phyliss, no you are not the only one...so many people i talk to feel this way... i have felt that way ever since 9/11 & then this past monday, the day i discovered we had started bombing afghanistan, i went into a deep funk...really i was basically a nonfunctioning person for a day...& when i finally was able to cry...it felt like it was from the deepest part of me...such grief for what is going on... this is the 3rd big war in my lifetime...it is a horrible situation but to me war never solves anything ..."nothing comes from violence & nothing ever will" i think that is what sting sang... so now that i am functioning again, i will do what i can, play music, give proceeds to the red cross...speak out about how i feel...get back into writing... but underneath it all is an underlying depression because i really feel as if i have no say in all of this & i believe we are making some huge mistakes & i am probably in the minority as to my opinions...i think that is why i feel so bad... but i mourn for the innocent lives that are being killed both here & abroad...& the cycle of violence that never ends.... >>>Since September 11th I've been in a state of depression in varying degrees. In general, I take pride in myself on being a very upbeat, easy-going, person. I've always seemed to be able to keep myself up and postive. Now I find myself near the edge of a deep depression. I'm sleeping more, eating more, and generally have to force myself to do what I have to do. I know there are things I should be doing like getting more exercise, eating more healthily, etc. But I can't seem to make myself do these things. It's been going on too long and I don't like it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is feeling this but thought I would share and see if anyone has any words of wisdom that might help those of us that are experiencing this out of it. Or maybe I just want to be reassured that I'm not the only one.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:25:27 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Lorraine Gervais sings Joni awesome track Bob...i can see why you were so excited... personally, it throws me back to saturday afternoon jazz wanderings...and poetry and beat ambiences... 'and hell, just the fabulous world of great jazz vocals and swing shane... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:18:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: depression njc deb wrote >>>My husband told me I'm taking all this stuff worse than anyone he knows. I think I was more vulnerable because I was in a state of extreme stress even before Sept. 11.<<< deb, i think it does have to do with what other stresses are in your life...but i think some people are just more sensitive than others...i think that people who are considered highly empathetic might be feeling this more deeply than those with different personalities...maybe your husband & mine should talk ;~} (actually jeff has been so kind to me...i told him i am sorry i am just such an ultrasensitive person & he assured me that what i was going through wasn't anything to apologize for...that really helped...so did the flowers he bought me yesterday & the evening out with friends & good music last night...& the funny posts here that people are sending that make me laugh out loud...thank you) emily wrote >>the hardest part has been that art, usually my solace and greatest challenge, has seemed stale, flat, dull...i haven't written any fiction in a full month.<<< me too emily...i know it will return though, i like your list of helpful things such as kindness, yoga, etc... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:43:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Lorraine Gervais sings Joni <> And that's just 60 seconds! I heard the whole 7:05 last night and was almost literally trembling, because it reminded me of the first time I heard BMR on Hejira and thought "this would really be nice with a full-blown torch-singer jazz combo treatment, and 25 years later I hear what I had envisioned! I also got some obscure Australian covers as well, so yesterday was a GREAT day!! Bob NP: Neil, "Safeway Cart" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:48:17 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Paper's Progress - Apologies I stupidly posted the following the JMDL instead of sending it to a friend and I deeply apologies to all the NJC people and all the nonNJC people. Those who wish to offer up burnings of incense for the completion of this paper are however invited to do so no matter no stupid my inadvertent post. Vince Lavieri wrote: > The online server at GVSU is down so I took off of work and went to my > GVSU campus to get some more research articles so I would have four -- I > am home and working on the paper with all haste. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:10:46 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: depression njc To all of you who have sent me messages both on and off list. Thank you. You are really showing the best of what this list is about. I have found tidbits here and there in your words that have helped me understand what is going on a little better. Mostly, just knowing I'm not alone is helpful. Although the fog hasn't lifted really, I don't feel so down on myself about being in a fog. That makes a significant difference. Tonight Bob and I are going to see James Taylor here in Bakersfield. I would love to have his autographon the drawing of him in my Starart book (Already signed by both Joni and Graham). I don't think I have the energy to try to track him down though. I'm sure if I could get to him that it would give him a little smile though, just as it did Graham. I guess I'll take it with me, just in case. - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:26:25 -0700 From: jan Subject: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) >>In honor of Palindrome Day (10-02-2001), here is the world's greatest >>palindrome. The "knee" of >> the palindrome is "On." >> Elapsed, >> a frail aria's timid tone damned rage. >> So ran I, >> to order a note we both sang. >> I laid low, >> on miserable bald locations. >> Sent I was, >> all it is, I was. >> I wondered, >> Is no cost set as I deliver debts I made? >> Will a foe rise? >> Dare I pass or can I leer? >> In eve's yawn, >> it left some gain. >> On, >> On I age, >> most felt in ways even I reel in >> Across a pier, >> a desire of all I wed, >> a mist bed. >> Reviled, >> is a test so considered. >> Now I saw. >> Is it ill as a witness? >> No, >> it a cold label bares. >> I'm now old, >> I align ash to be wet on a red root. >> In a rose garden made not dim, >> its air, a liar, >> fades pale. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:17:53 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: good wars (njc) most people distinguish between both world wars of the twentieth century; that is to say, world war one did not meet the narrow criteria of a just war. many have also pointed out the difference between the korean and vietnam wars on just the same basis... in world war two and in korea, a distingusihable totalitarian enemy was imposing force on a country by means of an unjust and ruthless invasion... vietnam, on the contray, was more of a civil war, and there was a failure of the intelligence service function of the u.s. government, as well as a trumped up beginning, the gulf of tonkin incident. the present conflict does not have this unsavoury behavior on the part of our government. Bush's cabinet, far from being arrogant, have gone the extra mile in pinpointing the enemy, gaining most of the world's support, and limiting the military engagement. this is not vietnam....and appeasement in the present circumstances would savour of munich... appeasement at the time of the munich agreement with hitler still retains the odor of injustice, of a moral wrong, and ,in fact, a lack of moral character... that there are times, therefore, when force is required by the moral and natural law has been admitted by saints and theologians for two milleniae... darell cole, neatly discusses this in his essay "Good Wars": http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0110/articles/cole.html shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:10:27 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: re: a good war (njc) Here's a sobering thought. Realize that the US has not won a war/police action etc., since the dawn of the TV age. Interesting.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:15:55 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2001 Webpage Hi Everyone! I just walked in through the door from NYC, and noticed that the Jonifest 2001 webpage is up a little prematurely. Glad that you got to see the beginnings of the page, but there is more to come! We will let you know when everything is up, and finished. As far as the videos.......there is no link yet, because they are not quite ready yet. So, please hang tight a little bit longer, and we'll finish it up and polish it up very soon! Thanks again for your patience! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:35:33 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Lorraine Gervais Hi Bob, Thanks for passing this on. I listened to Lorraine's sampler and she sounds terrific. Incidentally, could you or someone please offer some advice: while listening to the sampler there are 2 seconds of music then 5 seconds of blank then same thing again. It also happened last time I tried to listen to song samples on Amazon a couple of weeks ago. I just dowloaded the MP3 free software (Thompson) in Lorraine Gervais' site and it still does it. Any idea? Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:43:00 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing someone wrote: > > > that there are times, therefore, when > force is required by the moral and natural law > has been admitted by saints and theologians for two milleniae... > > not by all of them by any means, and not by many in days of old or now, and strenuously refuted by a significant portion of the Church in all times, including now. Interesting to note that Jesus explicitly did not accept that position and in fact taught against it. And many would be less than agreeing that the current administration has gone the extra mile in anything. I am not trying to be in your face but the phrase "good war" is in my face, and I think that is an obscene coupling of words, Tom Brokaw notwithstanding. Some people find it instructive that in only place do the Scriptures repeat themselves word for word: Isaiah 2.1-4 and Micah 4.1-3 Anyone can look that up as well as I can. I had kind of thought that we had agreed tacitly not to wage war on war in the JMDL because the passions are running so deeply and we don't want the JMDL rent asunder. "Adonai looks down from heaven; Adonai sees all humankind. From where he sits enthroned he watches all the inhabitants of the earth-- he who fashions the hearts of them all, and observes all their deeds. A king is not saved by his great army; a warrior is not delivered by his great strength. The war horse is a vain hope for victory, and by its great might it cannot save." (Psalm 33) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:52:34 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: FDR parallels (njc) The facts of yesterday speak for themselves. The people of the United States have already formed their opinions and well understand the implications to the very life and safety of our nation. As commander in chief of the Army and Navy, I have directed that all measures be taken for our defense. Always will we remember the character of the onslaught against us. No matter how long it may take us to overcome this premeditated invasion, the American people in their righteous might will win through to absolute victory. I believe I interpret the will of the Congress and of the people when I assert that we will not only defend ourselves to the uttermost, but will make very certain that this form of treachery shall never endanger us again. Hostilities exist. There is no blinking at the fact that that our people, our territory and our interests are in grave danger. With confidence in our armed forces - with the unbounding determination of our people - we will gain the inevitable triumph - so help us God. I ask that the Congress declare that since the unprovoked and dastardly attack by Japan on Sunday, Dec. 7, a state of war has existed between the United States and the Japanese empire. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:12:07 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing 'someone wrote': if that were true, our Lord might have told the roman centurian to quit the roman army, but he did nothing of the sort, and instead praised the soldier for his faith... and when the soldiers asked john the baptist how to find repentance, he did not tell them to leave the army, but to do their duty with impartial motivation... i am not aware that there was any agreement by the members of the jmdl that we could not state our views on the single most important issue of our time... charges were made that the u.s. administration was arrogant... a pacifist view... i reserve the right to say i disagree and indicate that their actions point to the contrary... i invited you back, even though we disagree on the issue... i did not censor your opinion therefore... please do not censor mine... cheers, shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:37:03 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: 'their finest hour' (njc) winston churchill knew his and his country's duty, as hitler prepared to invade england... "let us brace ourselves..." and: "let us stand up to him..." and so "conduct ourselves..." and you can hear sir winston at this critical juncture of world history by clicking: http://www.chicago-law.net/speeches/churchill.ram shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:25:58 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Evil Bert, Evil Bin Laden (NJC) I must admit...this made me laugh out loud. Osama Has A New Friend http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47450,00.html "Reuters photographs of a rally this week organized by Jaamiat-e-Talabaye Arabia, a radical Islamic organization, show that protesters created a pro-bin Laden sign out of a collage of photos they apparently lifted from Internet sites. "But -- is it fate or coincidence? -- the sign featured a Bert muppet sitting on the left side of the man believed to be responsible for the bloodiest terrorist attack in U.S. history. "An editor at Reuters' photo desk in Washington confirmed that the maize-colored muppet did appear in the photograph. 'It is in the original image, though I couldn't say how it got there. It wasn't hacked,' the editor said. " Brenda n.p.: CKUA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:31:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Lorraine Gervais << I just dowloaded the MP3 free software (Thompson) in Lorraine Gervais' site and it still does it. Any idea? >> My guess is that it's just a buffering problem. Some song samples that I play in that fashion have those same hiccups. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:21:56 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) What is a palindrome? A very confusing poem? seriously, i have never heard of the word. Was it a joke I didn't get? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:29:56 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: FDR parallels (njc) One can hardly call Pearl Harbour 'good', but if it hadn't happened, I may well be lving in a Nazi country. Or more likely would not have been born as my parents would not have met. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:31:20 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: sons o' bitches (njc) <<-- Third person in Florida tests positive for anthrax; feds launch criminal investigation. Details soon.>> bin laden trained 5000 of these sons o' bitches, even trying to purchase smallpox germs, with the goal of exterminating millions of americans - and no one on God's earth could convince me to smoke a peace pipe with them... besides needing a british sas boot in the groin first... then i'd send them to pluto on a prison ship in forever orbit with britney speers... they'd cry out for death but never find it... shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:30:29 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing So Jesus didn't mean it when he told us to turn the other cheek and forgive? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:40:12 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing there's a crucial difference between states and individuals... individuals can forgive other individuals for i too am a sinner... states have to run on jurisprudence and justice... forgiving a nazi can individually occur, because we all have darkness (sin) within us... and 'there but the grace of God go i"... but the U.K. was not called to forgive hitler as a state; it was called to fight him... for the state to forgive him is to become complicit in his crime... huge difference... shane - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: "shane mattison" Cc: "Vince Lavieri" ; Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 7:30 PM Subject: Re: good wars (njc) ain't no such thing > So Jesus didn't mean it when he told us to turn the other cheek and > forgive? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:34:14 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC When Jesus saw the crowds, he went up the mountain; and after he sat down, his disciples came to him. Then he began to speak, and taught them, saying: "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. "Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. "Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. "Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy. "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God. "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. "You have heard that it was said to those of ancient times, 'You shall not murder'; and 'whoever murders shall be liable to judgment.' But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment; and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council; and if you say, 'You fool,' you will be liable to the hell of fire. "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist an evildoer. But if anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also; and if anyone wants to sue you and take your coat, give your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go also the second mile. Give to everyone who begs from you, and do not refuse anyone who wants to borrow from you. "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 19:40:27 -0600 From: "Norma Meatheringham" Subject: NJC this is Canada's contribution to the War Effort and mine, to combat the daily grinds... ;-] http://www.harvestview.com/tdy/today.htm ~~~~~~~~ "Just when you think that a person is just a backdrop for the rest of the universe, watch them and see that they laugh, they cry, they tell jokes... they're just friends waiting to be made." -Dr. Jeffrey Borenstein "It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:49:28 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: scripture njc i have had all of this scripture quoting i can deal with. the bible clearly states that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. the catholic and/or the lutheran church are not found anywhere in the scriptures of the bible. yes, jesus taught love thy neighbor as thyself and God sent armies out multiple times in the old testament to destroy entire peoples, including women and children. These terrorists are not interested in the words of Jesus and we have every right to defend ourselves or we might as well just kill ourselves for if we tried to kiss them on the cheek, they would immediately kill us. I am not willing to do that. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 21:55:53 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) > What is a palindrome? A palindrome is any word or series of words that can be read the same way forwards or backwards. Like Wow or Bob, ...I have to admit I've never seen one that long before. Victor in Athens Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:58:52 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: good luck good luck with your job search victor. meant to post that earlier but forgot. mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:59:36 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: oops njc forgot the njc. sorry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:45:52 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: scripture njc Good points, Mack. It also says in the bible that women should not "preach or teach." Ha! Hello??? WE didn't start this war. We are NOT dealing with poor dispossessed people who we have oppressed. People should read up on the background of these sociopaths. Mostly upper class, spoiled rich kids who have gone insane. I'd say worse but will probably save it for later ;-) Kakki Kakki > i have had all of this scripture quoting i can deal with. the bible clearly > states that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. the catholic > and/or the lutheran church are not found anywhere in the scriptures of the > bible. yes, jesus taught love thy neighbor as thyself and God sent armies out > multiple times in the old testament to destroy entire peoples, including women > and children. These terrorists are not interested in the words of Jesus and > we have every right to defend ourselves or we might as well just kill > ourselves for if we tried to kiss them on the cheek, they would immediately > kill us. I am not willing to do that. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:21:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) In a message dated 10/10/01 8:58:35 PM, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << Like Wow <> Bob, ...I have to admit I've never seen one that long before. >> Thanks, Victor! --Bob, beaming with pride ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:38:34 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Ethel Merman's brush with palindromes (NJC) Here's a post that merges the palindrome thread with the one about brushes with fame. When I was in college in the 70s, I had a girlfriend named Hannah. Since we both had names that were the same spelled backwards or forwards, we used to say we were a palindrome couple. One day we read in the newspaper that Ethel Merman was appearing in the record department at Jordan Marsh in downtown Boston. We bought an album and waited in line for Miss Merman to autograph it. When our turn came, Miss Merman said, "How do you want me to sign it?" "To 'Bob and Hannah,' please," I said. Miss Merman sort of rolled her eyes at my lack of chivalry and said, "It's 'Hannah and Bob,' kid, 'Hannah and Bob!'" Next time I talk to Hannah I'll have to ask her if she still has that album. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:42:07 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: double standards njc I don't need to defend the Scriptures against an attack like that - many things can be pulled out context from any source, and certainly in this case we see that. What i find interesting is the "I've had enough of Scripture quoting..." What a double standard. Has anyone said, "I've have had enough of war mongering" or "I've had enough of astrology talk" or "I've had enough of Tarot card believers" or "I've had enough of non-believers"? No. Absolutely no. There has been respect for people to express what they believe in the JMDL. That respect should go all ways. I have not head enough of astrology, I heave not heard enough of those who use tarot cards and the like, and I certainly have not heard enough from non believers or those who follow other faiths than mine or no faith at all. And I have not heard enough of those who offer their own opinions on the issues that confront our nation and our world who are not trying to silence those who disagree. This nation, our world, are faced with many complexities right now and we need dialogue, not (in my opinion) intemperate screams of "I've had enough" at what they disagree with with an attack on the faith of the person with whom they disagree. And a very odd attack, by the way, considering that I am gay. By the standards that the Scriptures were ripped, by the way, would we throw out the US Constitution because when it was written it defined blacks as 3/5 of a person, and denied women the right to vote? That is a very quick analogy. This is not the time nor the place to go into these things in more depth. What anyone doesn't like, they can delete. Or set their message filters. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the realm of God. Glory to God in the highest, and peace to all people on earth! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:00:26 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: double standards indeed njc Double standards indeed. Respect? After Shane's initial post you, Vince, posted "someone wrote" knowing full well who had made the post. That is respectful? Not where I come from. Then you had the gall to more or less tell Shane that he should not have posted what he did and he responded by asking you not to censure him. I wanted to write then but held off but again you try to make your point by using the holy bible. Yes, you are gay. And guess what, so am I. That is exactly my point. I do not like to be preached to by someone who uses certain scriptures when they find them useful for themselves but ignore them when it is convenient. That you can be gay and then try to expound on religious points from the people is unreal to me. And you accuse me of changing the words of the bible to suit myself. I most certainly can use the delete button and ignore certain posts but can you? I don't believe Shane will say that you can. I suggest that you practice what you preach. We need dialogue, you say, but that is not what you told Shane, is it? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:18:34 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: apologize njc I want to apologize to everyone here for my postings. The bible and homosexuality are sore subjects with me and when I read the Shane silence business I became angry. I will not say anymore on the matter, even if it drives me crazy to not do so. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 00:45:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: robert holliston!!!!!! NJC happy birthday, teeno! your very own wallykins ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:13:27 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: les ross!!!!!! Happy Belated Birthday Les!!! It was fun riding with you in the van to Ashara's! Take care, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:14:17 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Les Ross!!!!!! Happy Belated Birthday Les!!! It was fun riding with you in the van to Ashara's! Take care, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:41:23 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: Fwd: In honor of Palindrome Day (njc) At 02:21 AM 10/11/01 +0100, colin wrote: > > >What is a palindrome? >A very confusing poem? >seriously, i have never heard of the word. Was it a joke I didn't get? A palindrome is a word, sentence, sentences etc. that are spelled the same backward or forward, like, say, 'radar', or 'Emily's Sassy Lime' (grrl punk group). 'madam', would you like a 'xanax'? - -naj ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 22:55:10 -0600 From: "Norma Meatheringham" Subject: biblical quoting NJC just to add more flames to the already raging fires... Most people assume WWJD is for "What would Jesus do?". But the initials really have been changed to stand for "What would Jesus drive?". One theory is that Jesus would tool around in an old Plymouth because the Bible says, "God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in a Fury". But in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo. The passage urges the Jesus to "pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm". Perhaps God favors Dodge pickup trucks, because Moses' followers are warned not to go up a mountain "until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast". Some scholars insist that Jesus drove a Honda but didn't like to talk about it. As proof, they cite a verse in St. John's gospel where Christ tells the crowd, "For I did not speak of my own Accord..." Meanwhile, Moses rode an old British motorcycle, as evidenced by a Bible passage declaring that "the roar of Moses' Triumph is heard in the hills". Joshua drove a Triumph sports car with a hole in its muffler: "Joshua's Triumph was heard throughout the land". And, following Jesus' lead, the Apostles car pooled in a Honda... "The Apostles were in one Accord". ~~~~~~~~ "Just when you think that a person is just a backdrop for the rest of the universe, watch them and see that they laugh, they cry, they tell jokes... they're just friends waiting to be made." -Dr. Jeffrey Borenstein "It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it." -Sam Levenson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 01:25:23 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: depression/ anxiety NJC dear phyliss, of course you are not alone; we are all suffering with this. music has helped me, particularly john adams' new nativity oratorio, 'el niqo'. bjork's vespertine. a couple of other new things, and of course some old favorites. one thing that has given me strength is my realization that people truly have changed, at least here in new york. i've read a couple of columnists saying how new york is back to its grumpy, curmudgeonly self; but that's just not the ny i'm living in. watching how a woman in my work building interacted with the lobby guy, knowing that that particularly lobby man and i had been gentler with each other than ever happens in new york, i got on the elevator this morning and said to the woman 'anyone who thinks new yorkers haven't changed is just wrong' and she wholeheartedly agreed and we had a whole conversation about it. this is so unusual in new york, but so noticeable now. i guess my point is that there's a silver lining, sick as that may seem. this experience has brought out the best in so many people, people that i see every day here, people i read about, public figures. it makes me very happy (at least in post-9/11 terms) to be able to praise rudy giuliani and george bush for how they've done their jobs in this time, even though anyone who knows me knows i wasn't a fan. and it makes me happy to see the every-day kindnesses on the street and in the subway. there are a lot of people in pain, especially here in new york, but i know, all over the country and much of the world as well. still, i think people are trying harder to hold each other up, to ease the pain by sharing it, than i've ever seen or imagined. it really truly helps me... patrick np - gavin bryars - BIPED > >BEING KIND. to myself, to the ones i love, but >also: to people on the street. i'm trying to say >thank you and have a good day and are you all right -- >and these days, i mean them. i try to look people >in the eye. i need contact with others, i need to >know we are all in this together. ps. oh yeah, zoolander helped as well. >STUPID COMEDIES. video rentals, TV shows. sometimes >a few laughs can go a long way these days. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 23:44:30 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: depression NJC - Now - James Taylor Saves! ; - ) patrick leader wrote: > dear phyliss, > > of course you are not alone; we are all suffering with this. And I'm sure New Yorkers are much more so. I think one of the reasons my depression bothers me so much is that I feel guilty for feeling depressed. There are so many others with much more reason to be emotional than little old me, 3000 miles away from ground zero. > music has helped me, Yes! The "cure" was found for me this evening as well! Went to see James Taylor and he was amazing! Talk about upbeat and positve. My 5th row seats didn't hurt I'm sure, but it seemed like it was a small club it was so intimate tonight. Our arena seats about 10,000 but the place was only about 2/3rds full. Since we don't get that many big names here our audiences are very appreciative of the performers. James did THREE ENCORES! First time he came out with the band and did 3 songs, left. Then he came back with just his backup singers and sang "Close Yur Eyes" acapella and left, Then he came back with his guitar and did "Sweet Baby James". He was so damn humble and appreciative of both his band members and us that us it blew my mind. The concert lasted a full 3 hours including one 20 minute break. His band was awesome, most impressive were Jon Landau on guitar and the legendary Russ Kunkell on drums (not sure of the spelling on those names so bear with me). As we found our seats I realized that we were sitting right next to a good friend I hadn't seen for a while, she had come alone....serendipity and hugs. I also ran into 3 other really special friends there who shared hugs and made me think about how lucky and loved I am. One regret. I ended up leaving my Starart book in my car since I figured I wouldn't have the opportunity to get an autograph. I didn't want to chance leaving the book there and losing it. Silly me, He was signing peoples hats and shirts that walked up to the stage. Oh well, let it go...let it go... - -- Phyliss mailto:phyliss@goldenfigclay.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #473 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?