From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #468 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, October 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 468 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Burning CD's - njc [colin ] Re: Brushes with greatness, njc [Gertus@aol.com] Mandolins (was Brushes with greatness) njc ["Paul Castle" ] Car on the Hill (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Mandolins (was Brushes with greatness) njc [Gertus@aol.com] brushes with celebs (pt 2) (njc) [daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Entertaining Joni [colin ] Re: Entertaining Joni [IVPAUL42@aol.com] it's started NJC [colin ] My claim to fame njc ["kerry" ] brushed with celeb (pt 1) (NJC) [daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Body shops, Cagno live and other stuff (njc) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Subject: SJC - response to Shorter in London & tribute to Heroes ["Kate ] Subject: 30th bitrthday njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: brushed with celeb (pt 1) (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] from the Dalai Lama [Vince Lavieri ] I forgot - sorry - [Vince Lavieri ] turbulent indigo ["Dolphie Bush" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 09:03:46 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Burning CD's - njc I have been using Adaptec software and am happy with that. Mind you i have not used any othet burning software. I find it easy to use. Merk54@aol.com wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I bought a new computer last night, and now have the ability to burn my own > CD's (Yes!), but really don't know where to begin. I know this subject has > been talked about in the past, but at the time, it was pretty meaningless to > me, so I pretty much ignored the information. > > Anyway, I'm hoping someone will be willing to share tips, recommended > software, recommended blanks, whatever they think will be useful. Thanks for > any help you can provide. > > Jack - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 06:33:41 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Brushes with greatness, njc In a message dated 06/10/01 10:59:34 GMT Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > "Everything is biased towards numeracy and literacy. Music is just not > taken seriously, yet it can totally transform kids", he added..." Very few > [junior] schools deal with singing nowadays and kids are very self > conscious when they get to secondary school." > > A sad state of affairs! > Sad indeed, Paul. I'm not involved in teaching but would guess this is the result of the National Curriculum which pushes out all "fringe activities" like sport,drama and music. I hadn't realised the statistics were so bad, though certainly my own kids have had very poor musical education from their schools. Amy, the little girl I mentioned, is fortunate in having musical parents and is so delighted to have a reasonable instrument to play. Apparently, the school model she had on loan was badly worn and difficult to play but, perhaps encouragingly, is in much demand. I fondly remember my first instrument, pre-school, I think, which was a Sooty xylophone and it gave me so much pleasure to be able to knock out recognizable tunes so easily. I then moved on to the recorder, as all school children did at one time, then the oboe, before discovering my true love, the guitar. I now concentrate on mandolin which is an overlooked instrument for children to take up as it's suitable for small hands, is relatively cheap, and doesn't make too much of a din! I also remember having singing on our school timetable, although I have to say the choice of material we had to sing was dire and put me off for life! I spent a lovely morning yesterday in the workshop of a local mandolin maker which resulted in me ordering a new instrument which should be ready about Christmas - can't wait! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:32:15 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Mandolins (was Brushes with greatness) njc > I spent a lovely morning yesterday in the workshop of a local mandolin maker > which resulted in me ordering a new instrument which should be ready about > Christmas - can't wait! I, too, love the sound of the mandolin, although I've never had one of my own - I've had my heart set on one made by London luthier Paul Hathaway, who also makes bouzoukis and mandolas of various shapes and sizes. One day! I would love to be able to play like Tim O'Brien on the mandolin or Andy Irvine on the bouzouki. Talking of mandolins, I think it was Shane who posted a link to a Staten Island website a while back - I went for a look around (on the site) and found that one of the traders listed was Mandolin Brothers - whose ads I see regularly in music magazines - I guess that's where Joni went. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 05:26:54 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: SJC - response to Shorter in London & tribute to Heroes Thanks for posting this report and catching that Joni info, Heather. No, Mitchell didn't perform on the "Tribute to Heros" program. I can only presume from the Blade bio that Joni has decided to call her forthcoming album _Hero_ rather than the working title a jmdler kindly made us aware of earlier, _Swan Song_. But that's just my guess, maybe Kakki or Stephen can shed some light on this based on their conversation with her. Interesting. - -Julius >Since I didn't see the > Tribute to Hero's celebrity special .... did Joni perform? Did Brian > accompany her? > > Heather > > > From albums and tours with > Joshua Redman and Kenny Garrett, to recent recordings with Bob Dylan "Time > Out Of Mind," Emmylou Harris "Wrecking Ball," Daniel Lanois "Sling Blade" > and Joni Mitchell "Hero," ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 08:56:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: SJC - response to Shorter in London & tribute to Heroes << Thanks for posting this report and catching that Joni info, Heather. >> What he said...plus, I'll toss in a plug for Brian Blade Fellowship's 2 CD's. They're both superb, and his second CD, Perceptual, features a Joni vocal that is haunting and NOT to be missed. Wonderful production throughout and solos that never noodle but remain interesting. Brian plays the drums like no one I've ever heard before, finding sub-rhythms within rhythms, but never losing the beat. And rather than overpowering, he drives the rhythm in a very subtle way. I guess he's the best and that's why he's working with Joni! :~) Bob NP: Dan Hicks, "Lonely Madman" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 09:01:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Burning CD's - njc Same here. It came with my computer. It's virtually foolproof - even I can use it. - --- colin wrote: > I have been using Adaptec software and am happy with > that. Mind you i have not > used any othet burning software. I find it easy to > use. > > Merk54@aol.com wrote: > > > Hello everyone. > > > > I bought a new computer last night, and now have > the ability to burn my own > > CD's (Yes!), but really don't know where to begin. > I know this subject has > > been talked about in the past, but at the time, it > was pretty meaningless to > > me, so I pretty much ignored the information. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 09:01:34 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Car on the Hill (NJC) <> One of my favorite upbeat Joni songs because, even within the pacing and uncertainity, there's hope. But the very first line, "waiting for my sugar to show," well, for ages I thought it meant that the subject of the song was diabetic and had just dipped her self test stick into her urine and was waiting to check her glucose level. Kinda wierd, I thought at the time, but what the heck. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 10:44:20 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Mandolins (was Brushes with greatness) njc In a message dated 07/10/01 12:33:07 GMT Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > > I, too, love the sound of the mandolin, although I've never > had one of my own - I've had my heart set on one made > by London luthier Paul Hathaway, who also makes > bouzoukis and mandolas of various shapes and sizes. > One day! I would love to be able to play like Tim O'Brien > on the mandolin or Andy Irvine on the bouzouki. More coincidence, Paul. When I get my new intrument I'm going to sell 2 of my old ones, including a Hathway which is about 2 years old. The reason for selling is that it's neck is too wide for my hands. I learnt to play, and still do play mainly, on a classical Neapolitan bowl back but also need a flatback for use in the orchestra I play with. Incidentally, the orchestra recently won a lottery grant and spent all the money on Hathway instruments, including mandolas and a mandocello. > Talking of mandolins, I think it was Shane who posted > a link to a Staten Island website a while back - I went for > a look around (on the site) and found that one of the > traders listed was Mandolin Brothers - whose ads I see > regularly in music magazines - I guess that's where > Joni went. > Yes indeed. I've been to that amazing site a few times too and, if I ever get to New York again, shall try to visit in person. I often wonder if Joni ever played that mandolin much and if so, whether she used any interesting tunings! Regards Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:48:10 -0700 From: daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: brushes with celebs (pt 2) (njc) The Lemon Pipers(at Ben Franklin's on the Sunset Strip) (hoping SOMEONE would recognize them) The Jefferson Airplane (the show we were going to when we met the Lemon Pipers) ( no egos in the Airplane, even Marty was cordial) Grateful Dead (Jerry hugged me) Led Zep (after their first gig in Los Angeles (actually Pasadena, already full of themselves) Elvis (the king, not Costello) sat really near him at the filming of the '68 comaback special) (my debut primetime tv appearance) James Garner (while filming Rockford in Independence CA) Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee(flirting with me, the only female backstage with them) Steve Miller (at the bar at the Whiskey-a-gogo) Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul Jabbar)- he's 7'4", i'm 5'2"- when I bumped into him it was at crotch level- Bill Walton (I gave him a good seat for his FIRST GDead concert) More Later) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:34:28 +0100 From: colin Subject: Entertaining Joni Joni si coming to vist. DShe will arrive at 10 am and leave at 10pm prompt. You must keep her amused for that time. What will you do? There is only one rule: you cannot take her out. Her rule: you can't bring that untrtained badly behaved mutt with you! When she arrives, i will have Carly in the cd changer-might give her some inspiration. I will cook her an English breakfast-fried eggs, bacon, sausages, mushrooms, tomato(tomarto), heinz baked beans and fried bread. I will then show her my knitting room and how I do my designs. Later she can play with the dogs and I will bring out all their photo's, even those of dogs long dead, their wins, their cutsy ways, their baby pictures etc. That will be my payback for Mingus. After that, I will show her the printed out messages from the JMDL. not all of them of course, just those about DED and her 80's hair and the men in her life. For dinner, she will have my home made bumburner with chicken or lamb and all the real spices etc that Indians use-none of that 'curry powder' rubbish. Then we will settle down to watch Carly Live At Grand Central. When she has come down from that, I'll put on Lily Savage-Paying The Rent for her to watch. Lily always has a fag in her mouth so Joni will be pleased. Then I will give her a hug, a complimetary Carly cd, and wish her well and express the hope she will make use of the inspiration provided and make a new album. I am sure she will have a day she wouldn't forget. So, how would you make Joni's day? - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:26:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Entertaining Joni In a message dated 10/7/01 1:23:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > When she arrives, i will have Carly in the cd changer-might give her > some inspiration. > > Inspiration or insult? I think you've lost her in the first five minutes. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 18:46:52 +0100 From: colin Subject: it's started NJC The war has started. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 12:48:05 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: My claim to fame njc Hi Julie, I loved your Fleetwood Mac story and this was my favorite part: >....Stevie was icing up her hand because of the tambourine. Too funny....I didn't know you could actually get a tambourine injury!!! You also wrote: >Cyber friends is an interesting concept. Is it true friendship if you have never met? The answer is yes, but meeting in person really adds a new, deeper dimension. Which is why you should get yourself to a Jonifest nearest you! Kerry NP - Shona Laing - Heartless Bones ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:38:41 -0700 From: daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: brushed with celeb (pt 1) (NJC) Gerry (of Gerry and the Pacemakers) Rolling Stones (great photos from 1964, but no conversation, my cousin thought they were "too dirty" for me to meet) phone call (about an hour long )with Mike Smith (Dave Clark 5); my mother calledthe hotel for me) Allen Ginsburg-after a poetry reading at San Diego Sate College Ted Kennedy(campaigning for Bobby) Peter Noone (Herman Hermit's) sitting in a car on sunset Blvd Paul Samwell-Smith (Yardbirds)- he came out to meet us at a show at DaveHull's Club in Los Angeles) we were probably the only "non-music business" people at the show Micky Dolenz (Monkees) at a party at Monterey Pop Fest Neil Young (Buffalo Springfield era) Jim Morrison and the Doors-backstage in San Diego- in 1967-Jim was drunk but John Dinsmore gave me college selection advice- convinced me to go to UCLA not Berkeley (more later) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 16:21:07 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Body shops, Cagno live and other stuff (njc) MG (Emily Litella) wrote: >Some of you may know that I am partially deaf. In many cases, I hear sounds coming out of someone's mouth but cannot always determine exactly what was being said. (Nikki: remember "The Body Shop?")< Well, I was just coming up for air from all this work and trying to check in. I am kinda lost as to what's going on but this got me laughing! MG thought that I worked at a body shop and proceeded to explain to her daughter what that was....when I had said bridal shop! LMAO! Actually, thankfully, I am quitting that job and got 2 jobs in my sociology dept. doing research. One is more of a research assistant/overseeing the project type job and the other is doing interviews in low income areas. It should be great experience for me (although very demanding). So I have not even written a post fest post! I know I am WAY behind! (Shut up Bob!) I did get to see Rosie and Gregg last Thr. when they took me to see Gregg play :-) It was such a wonderful relief from work! I had a wonderful time and enjoyed singing along and seeing some great music even if the rest of the place was not as into it. I get to see Gregg again this Wed and I think this crowd will be much better. Still can't believe it took going to Topsfield to meet someone that lives 20 mins from me...LOL! Anyways I am gonna try to get some stuff done here but wanted to say hello and that I miss everyone and still cherishing the time I spent with everyone at fest. Love Nikki np: Gregg Cagno~ A Man Does Waltz "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. You've got to kick at the darkness til it bleeds daylight." Bruce Cockburn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 16:35:54 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: proposed Joni sighting in London In a message dated 06/10/01 08:04:48 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Debra wrote:- > Londoners, don't you think Joni might go to the Kashmir Klub? It's > similar to Fez in NYC, which she's been to many times. It seems that > lots of well-known artists are going to the Kashmir Klub -- Jane Siberry > recently, and Emmylou Harris and Sheryl Crowe and somebody else that I > can't remember now. It's a place I think Joni would like, and she just > might show up there. > You're right. It's also a favourite meeting place for JMDLers and, in fact, Azeem and I have already discussed the possibility of her showing up there. I guess we could hang out there every night in November! Air Studios sounds like a good tip too - Thanks Rik, Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:26:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: The wonderful Mr. Cagno NJC Thanks Rose for the gig report, I agree with Paul Castle - I love his song The View from Here...I think that was the first song I heard Gregg play when we were sitting around Ashara's livingroom Friday night. And I was blown away. The No Dependent Song is a great one too! Gregg, come to Santa Barbara! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:36:44 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Tribute in Santa Barbara This has been in the works for sometime now but I wanted to let you all know about it in case anyone is in the neighborhood & would like to attend. I was inspired by all of you to organize this show. I know so many talented songwriters in this town & everyone is so excited to be part of this event. There are about 15 local songwriters performing, everyone doing one or two of their favorite Joni songs. It promises to be a magical evening. How can it not be, given her material? And SOhO is the premier music club in Santa Barbara. It is her birthday too. Here are the details: Santa Barbara Songwriters' Tribute to Joni Mitchell Wednesday, November 7 @7:30 SOhO Restaurant & Music Club 1221 State St. Santa Barbara CA 805-962-7776 http://www.sohosb.com Dinner reservations are highly recommended to get a good seat $5 Proceeds will go to the Red Cross ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:37:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: SJC - response to Shorter in London & tribute to Heroes Heather, that sounds like an incredible evening. I am pretty sure The Teatro in Oxnard is Lanois studio. I was told it was the cover of a recent Willy Nelson album. We drive by it all the time coming back from LA. >>This self-titled album was produced by Daniel Lanois, who was also a guest on the album playing mando-guitar and Fender Mustang guitar; Mark Howard recorded and mixed at The Teatro in Oxnard, California.<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:25:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: 30th bitrthday njc amazing...i had no idea that email had been around this long! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 17:24:20 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: brushed with celeb (pt 1) (NJC) In a message dated 10/7/01 4:05:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us writes: > Jim Morrison and the Doors-backstage in San Diego- in 1967-Jim was drunk but > John > Dinsmore gave me college selection advice- convinced me to go to UCLA not > Berkeley > Speaking of which, I went to the Stone Pony in Asbury Park, NJ last night to see this "Doors" Tribute band~The Soft Parade. The singer looked and sounded just like Morrison. It was haunting to say the least. They were very good. No surprise appearances by the "Boss", but you never know who might show up there.... Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:01:52 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: from the Dalai Lama From the Dalai Lama, dated 9-11-01, and timely today as it was on that day > Dear friends around the world: > The events of this day cause every thinking person to stop their daily lives, whatever is going on in them, and to ponder deeply the larger questions of life. We search again for not only the meaning of life, but the purpose of our individual and collective experience as we have created it -- and we look earnestly for ways in which we might recreate ourselves as a human species, so that we will never treat each other this way again. > The hour has come for us to demonstrate at the highest level our most extraordinary thought about Who We Really Are. There are two possible responses to what has occurred today. The first comes from love, the second from fear. > If we come from fear we may panic and do things -- as individuals and as nations -- that could only cause further damage. If we come from love we will find refuge and strength, even as we provide it to others. > This is the moment of your ministry. This is the time of teaching. What you teach at this time, through your every word and action right now, will remain as indelible lessons in the hearts and minds of those whose lives you touch, both now, and for years to come. > We will set the course for tomorrow, today. At this hour. In this moment. Let us seek not to pinpoint blame, but to pinpoint cause. Unless we take this time to look at the cause of our experience, we will never remove ourselves from the experiences it creates. Instead, we will forever live in fear of retribution from those within the human family who feel aggrieved, and, likewise, seek retribution from them. > To us [Buddhist thinkers] the reasons are clear. We have not learned the most basic human lessons. We have not remembered the most basic human truths. We have not understood the most basic spiritual wisdom. In short, we have not been listening to God, and because we have not, we watch ourselves do ungodly things. > The message we hear from all sources of truth is clear: We are all one. That is a message the human race has largely ignored. Forgetting this truth is the only cause of hatred and war, and the way to remember is simple: Love, [in] this and every moment. > If we could love even those who have attacked us, and seek to understand why they have done so, what then would be our response? Yet if we meet negativity with negativity, rage with rage, attack with attack, what then will be the outcome? > These are the questions that are placed before the human race today. They are questions that we have failed to answer for thousands of years. Failure to answer them now could eliminate the need to answer them at all. > If we want the beauty of the world that we have co-created to be experienced by our children and our children's children, we will have to become spiritual activists right here, right now, and cause that to happen. We must choose to be a cause in the matter. > So, talk with God today. Ask God for help, for counsel and advice, for insight and for strength and for inner peace and for deep wisdom. Ask God on this day to show us how to show up in the world in a way that will cause the world itself to change. And join all those people around the world who are praying right now, adding your Light to the Light that dispels all fear. > That is the challenge that is placed before every thinking person today. Today the human soul asks the question: What can I do to preserve the beauty and the wonder of our world and to eliminate the anger and hatred - -- and the disparity that inevitably causes it -- in that part of the world which I touch? > Please seek to answer that question today, with all the magnificence that is You. What can you do TODAY ... [at] this very moment? A central teaching in most spiritual traditions is: What you wish to experience, provide for another. > Look to see, now, what it is you wish to experience -- in your own life, and in the world. Then see if there is another for whom you may be the source of that. If you wish to experience peace, provide peace for another. If you wish to know that you are safe, cause [others] to know that they are safe. > If you wish to better understand seemingly incomprehensible things, help another to better understand. > If you wish to heal your own sadness or anger, seek to heal the sadness or anger of another. > Those others are waiting for you now. They are looking to you for guidance, for help, for courage, for strength, for understanding, and for assurance at this hour. Most of all, they are looking to you for love. > My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness. > Dalai Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 22:11:50 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: I forgot - sorry - I forgot to put NJC on the last post and am very sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:17:26 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: turbulent indigo Sitting here in oblivion. On vacation but funds are short and since humanity and civilization are so far away, filling the day with those things that we solitary souls do. The darkness encompasses my little house and the only sounds that can be heard is the whirr of the fan above my head and the coyotes across the road; yip, yip,yip, they say. Put a 100 watt bulb into the light above and brightened the room. Decided to listen to turbulent indigo, an album that I bought when it came out and didn't initially care for. Trying to get a grip on it and what Joni is trying to tell me here but haven't done so yet. Her voice seems older and huskier and more full than on some of the other albums but the music is so nice and I find myself enjoying the way that she sounds here. The grandest thing about dear Joni is that I can look across the room at nothing more than the wall where the leaking room has made a stain on the wall and think of nothing more than nothing and it soothes me. She soothes me. Oh, to be here, there for all time. Mack. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #468 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?