From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #467 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, October 7 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 467 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- (njc) ["Marian" ] Today's Articles: October 6 [les@jmdl.com] 30th bitrthday [colin ] Re: Brushes with greatness, njc ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Checking Out of My Blue Motel Room ... ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Checking Out of My Blue Motel Room ... ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: 40s vs. 60s Again ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) ["Blair Fraipont" ] RE: Hearing NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: No regrets INDEED! ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Tribute to Heroes (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Hearing NJC [colin ] Re: joni bio - what's the conversion rate anyway? ["J. R. Mills" ] Re: No regrets INDEED! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni Sighting [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Taking the Car for a spin ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Burning CD's - njc [Merk54@aol.com] brushes with celebs (pt 3) (NJC) [daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us] SJC - response to Shorter in London & tribute to Heroes [Bruyere Subject: (njc) On Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:25:07 -0400 "Victor Johnson" wrote: > No one is forced to participate in any > discussion. Please respect the right of > people to discuss something that > matters to them. This is very simple. > Victor in Athens I totally agree with Victor. Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 03:38:30 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 6 On October 6 this article was published: 1998: "Joni Mitchell captures perfection with latest" - Hamilton Spectator (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981006hs.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 634 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 10:12:04 +0100 From: colin Subject: 30th bitrthday It is the most effective propagator of poor-taste jokes and get-rich schemes the world has seen. It carries viruses that can afflict millions within hours, but also rivals the telephone as a communication link for family and friends. Email turns 30 this month, pre-dating the personal computer and the World Wide Web. Ray Tomlinson, the father of @, sent the first message between two computers in October 1971. Mr Tomlinson can't remember what he wrote, but figured anyone with access to a computer network was going to find it useful. "At the time, this meant a few hundred to a few thousand people - far from a global phenomenon," writes the engineer, via email. "What it took to become a global phenomenon was the availability of affordable computers and network connections and that was difficult for anyone to predict." Mr Tomlinson concedes it was probably the desire to use email that drove many people to buy those computers. Before 1971, messages could only be left for users of the same computer. That was fine for the single mainframes the size of a room that dominated universities and corporations. But Mr Tomlinson's colleagues at a company called BBN Technologies were working on a project to link different computers across a network called ARPAnet, the precursor to the modern Internet. The @ symbol took on new life when Mr Tomlinson decided he wanted to send messages directly to people, rather than a numbered mailbox, and would use the character to separate the individual's name from that of the machine. A decade later, a permanent email connection between Australia and ARPAnet was established by a group of researchers including Sydney University's Professor Bob Kummerfeld and Piers Lauder. Australia's love of email had begun a little earlier, "around" 1976, when Professor Kummerfeld and Mr Lauder set up a connection between the universities of Sydney and New South Wales. Later, a "very tenuous mail exchange" was set up between the United States and Australia. "Messages sometimes got lost, and delivery was sporadic, but international email started flowing," says Mr Lauder. "Early connections were horrendously expensive and wouldn't have happened without generous support from NASA and the CSIRO." Professor Kummerfeld says that as the decade progressed, the email community grew relatively large as universities around the world connected. Email use then exploded in 1994 as the public became enticed by the World Wide Web. "Email certainly changed the way I live and work," says Professor Kummerfeld. "At times it gets out of control ... but I couldn't do without it now." SOURCE: http://smh.com.au/news/0110/06/national1/national9.html - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:58:13 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Brushes with greatness, njc Jacky wrote: >Amazing, Paul. When I was at school I learnt the oboe and Leon Goosens was >"the" oboest in the UK at that time. I have a book on how to play the oboe by >his wife (I think I'm right in saying), Evelyn Rothwell. Great coincidence, Jacky. I believe Ralph Vaughan Williams composed his Concerto for Oboe and String Orchestra for him. >I haven't played my oboe for many years and just yesterday lent it to the >11 year old daughter of a friend of mine who shows talent on the instrument >and is presently using a grotty school instrument. So glad you did this - I recently gave my old banjo to a friend's son who shows talent and wants to learn to play like Earl Scruggs - and I always urge friends to buy their kids good quality ukeleles or small guitars (or whatever their children fancy playing and can get their little fingers round) - I can still get a good tune out of the uke I was given as a child. But I am angry that your friend's daughter's school instrument should be 'grotty'. A while back I did some research into the state of children's music in the UK for an article by Sandy Byers in the US magazine Sing Out! and discovered these alarming statistics: 1) The number of children learning a musical instrument in the UK is dropping at a rate of 100,000 per year. 2) The entire decline in children playing musical instruments is amongst children aged between 5 and 10. 3) There is a small and reducing likelihood that children aged 11 or above will ever start to learn to play musical instruments. 4) There's a substantial drop in the number of children taking music lessons in school. and according to an article in The Times Educational Supplement (Jan 1999), "Music services have lost an estimated 100 million pounds over the past decade thanks to local authority cuts." The TES also quotes Paul Fensom, head of music services in Brent, North London, "Everything is biased towards numeracy and literacy. Music is just not taken seriously, yet it can totally transform kids", he added..." Very few [junior] schools deal with singing nowadays and kids are very self conscious when they get to secondary school." A sad state of affairs! >The penny whistle is also a fine instrument, though I've never played one >that's been down the toilet as far as I know. According to my mother, her friend was very relieved when Mr Goosens laughed out loud! And - it didn't seem to do him any harm - he lived into his nineties, I believe. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 03:34:56 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: Checking Out of My Blue Motel Room ... Don, I'll miss you. I've always enjoyed your posts here on the JMDL and also the few we've exchanged offlist. Thank you for letting us know that you're leaving. In do hope you'll reconsider and come back, but I respect your decision. It would have been weird not hearing from you at all; this way we don't have to worry whether you're OK or not. Take care, buddy! You'll always have a place in my address book, and I'll do my best to keep you posted..... All the best, Roberto > >It's been a good run folks, really it has. I've >enjoyed my time here on the jmdl, learned a great deal >(not the least of which is a deeper appreciation of >FTR), had my share of laughs, expanded my collection >(Joni & otherwise), and shared many experiences that I >know only a group like this would understand and >appreciate. > >I only regret having never been able to attend >jonifest, or to meet any of you in person. I'm sure >it would have been great. > >But as it is ... I find myself out of things to say, >out of costumes to wear, out of shields to deflect the >growing unpleasantness and out of patience with >trying. For the last several months now, I've been >deleting about 95% of posts unread anyhow ... > >So it seems time I bid you "adieu" ... and will be >leaving the list and riding off into the sunset at the >end of the day. > >I sincerely hope that there will be some of you who >will keep in touch, and gladly encourage you to do so. > >Don Rowe _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 22:55:14 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Checking Out of My Blue Motel Room ... Roberto wrote: > I'll miss you. I've always enjoyed your posts here on the JMDL and also the > few we've exchanged offlist. > Thank you for letting us know that you're leaving. In do hope you'll > reconsider and come back, but I respect your decision. It would have been > weird not hearing from you at all; this way we don't have to worry whether > you're OK or not. > Take care, buddy! You'll always have a place in my address book, and I'll do > my best to keep you posted..... I'll add a "me too" to what Roberto said, but just add, "Who is going to help me defend DED now!" Seriously Don, you will be missed. Take care Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 03:59:06 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: Checking Out of My Blue Motel Room ... Thank you for putting things in perspective...;-) I'll miss Don a lot. We didn't always agree, but we mostly did. I'll miss his humor as well as his deeply felt posts, and I'm sorry he's left. May he come back soon. But I'm very glad he let us know he was leaving; I'd have worried about him otherwise. It's important that frequent JMDL posters let the community know when they're leaving even for a short time. To blondeinthebleachers: the future of the list is assured because we care about each other. Many friendships have been made here, so when someone leaves, it is important. That you find it boring is not: you have a delete button. Use it. Love to all, Roberto > >Maybe in the future, for the future of this list, people who find it >necessary to "bid adieu" do it to the people with whom they have the most >off list contact, so that I will not have to read the same boring email >over and over and over again. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 08:02:29 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: No regrets INDEED! << Ok, Bob - you know how I like to try... Car on a Hill - C&S No regrets, >> Well, ladies & germs, it's a first...someone guessed the EXACT song I had selected! Congrats and a big abrazo for my good friend Coyote Rick, who must have looked across the gorgeous horizon, seen a car on a hill, and went with his gut. Just confirm your address to me, Coyote, and your free copy of #22 is on its way to Casa Alegre! ;~) Of course, anybody who didn't win (and THANKS for all the guesses, I was delighted!) can get a copy by sending me a blank MUSIC CD and a self-addressed stamped envelope: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 NP: (new) Gillian Welch, boy is this nice... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 08:21:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Taking the Car for a spin And since I picked this song (Car On A Hill), I've been thinking about it and have some comments & questions... <> I wonder if this "situation" relates to any other song on Court & Spark, or if it's supposed to be a standalone thought? Does her frustration with this guy send her out to the bars resulting in the one-nighter of "Down To You"? The last verse of "Car" ends with her thinking about "so much sweetness in the dark" & it's hard for me to NOT believe that these 2 songs are inter-connected. Surely, the uneasiness of the relationship is revealed in other songs (the title track, "Help Me", "Down to You"), and I would add "Jericho" which she probably wrote about this same time. She references "making friends" in both Jericho and Car On A Hill, and adds the caveat in Jericho about how hard it is to KEEP a friend. And I LOVE this sequence of lyrics: <> so she "watches for judgement anxiously", and we all know the feeling of waiting for someone, hearing a car, thinking, hoping that it's them, and then hearing the "rolling on" and feeling that emptiness & doubt inside. It's a great 'word painting' I think... And there was an earlier discussion about Joni's backing vocals, I love the way she employs that technique in "Car On A Hill", really nice swirling cascades of back-up singing, and lots of those "Joni Moments" we all groove on. So, if you have a chance...play the song, think about it, and share your thoughts. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 08:52:27 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: My apology NJC I want to apologize for my stupid wording, but I'm reluctant to drag this out on the list. But, duh, here it goes. With regard to the "venting" posting: As Debra pointed out, whether Brian is a good or bad person is moot and of course, Julius said nothing of the kind. A more articulate expression would have been to skip that subjective adjective and point out that we can't call it objectionable because all we have is what appears to be a snippet and may be taken out of context. And someone not responding to "explain" means little since who knows if one's Internet access was done, their computer is broken or they just lost the message in a sea of other emails. I was thinking about abuse and this entire situation when I woke up this morning and marveled at how complicated it can be. There are times when it is clear beyond belief, (rapes, beatings and things of that nature). Other times it gets tangled with a "in the eye of the beholder" schematic; abuse may happen, abuse may not have happened and in one way or another, someone is made to feel like an idiot. I have no idea how to untangle that and I wish I did. Again, my sincere apologies for putting both of you in a corner of having to defend your posts and to all of you for dragging this out. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 08:58:56 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Hearing NJC To counter with a bit of levity: Some of you may know that I am partially deaf. In many cases, I hear sounds coming out of someone's mouth but cannot always determine exactly what was being said. (Nikki: remember "The Body Shop?") Often, I can carry on what I call a "parallel conversation" for a long time until it just gets too absurd. Unfortunately, I am always willing to accept the absurd as par for the course. This past week at work, I was conferring with a coworker about the cross aging on our ineligibles. As we chatted, our new CFO walked by. He leaned into the cubicle and said: "You two make a cute couple." I heard: "you two should have some cold cuts." Now I thought that was strange, but maybe there was free food in the break room, so I said: "Do you think?" And the new CFO said: "yes I do." So I said: "Okay, Yum!" And he walked away from me with a strange look on his face which made me think "hmm" and then "OH!" as the proverbial light bulb went off and I realized what he really said. Oh well. Never mind. And that's MG's Hearing Story #381 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:11:52 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: Taking the Car for a spin What a fun song to think about, Bob. Always a favorite of mine and now even more special! As I told Bob when he notified me privately of my good fortune, Brad and I are going to Las Vegas tomorrow (via United Airlines, I might add, $49 roundtrip) and I am taking an extra roll of quarters, hoping my luck holds out! Anyway, COAH always conjures up some compelling images for me. I've always thought Joni had it bad for this guy. He's a real social guy, the life of the party, and a talker that managed to light her flame. He makes her nervous. He turns her on. He's probably not real good for her in the long term, but for now, they have amazing sex and she wants more. By the way, I always heard this as a sex date more than a romantic, "oh, I am falling in love" date. You know, more on the physical. I can envision her semi-pacing in her Laurel Canyon abode (a wild assumption that she still lived there when this was written), working the radio dial, and absently checking through the blinds to see approaching cars coming up the hill. Even though she can't see, the buzzer being her only clue he has arrived. I live in a similarly situated house and many times have heard cars and subsequent car doors slam while waiting anxiously for friends to arrive and ring the buzzer (not to mention the sirens from the nearby firehouse and the Hollywood Freeway), so it really resonates with me. I love the idea of a connection to other C&S songs. Maybe he doesn't show up and out of frustration she makes her way down to the Pig and Whistle on Sunset for a problematic drink, smoke, and then some other guy comes along...just for the night. New images for me when connected to COAH. Yes, Bob, we've all probably been in that frustrating place. Waiting, waiting, waiting. On the other hand, I've heard Jericho as a song/story in which Joni is more in charge of the situation. I'll try to keep myself open...etc. Like she's shown up, is interested, but isn't as turned on as she is by the car guy. She thinks it's the right thing to do, being with the Jericho guy. She always said to me in this work that she was trying to make this work, but she might be a little closed down. She alludes to her plight in this area also in COAH when she says, "He makes friends easy, he's not like me." But, I don't have as strong a connection between the two, other than this and the wobbly relationship connection (the recurring theme for Ms. Mitchell), but would love to hear others views as well. Thanks for the thought food, Mr. Muller. Not to mention your fun contests. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:18:18 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Brushes with greatness (njc) In a message dated 10/6/2001 1:37:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RobSher50@aol.com writes: << Very nice, Lama man! I was very touched by this post. I feel the same way about you and the rest of the JMDL. I feel very fortunate and blessed to be a part of this. >> Ditto. Jimbo, that was a sweet letter. Thanks! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:58:31 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: joni bio - what's the conversion rate anyway? does anybody know what the biography costs in us dollars if i purchase it at amazon uk? thanks, peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 11:22:25 EDT From: YORK48CAD@aol.com Subject: Re:My claim to fame I have been reading these posts about meeting famous people. Since I am new, I'm so curious about some of you. Coyote Rick lives in Hollywood, what do you do??? And I missed the Brad Pitt gas station story. But any way, here's my story. In 1979, I had a boyfriend who was from LA. His best friend was dating the hairstylist, from Fleetwood Mac. When Fleetwood Mac came to SanFrancisco, she got us tickets and backstage passes. Before the show we went to the St.Francis Hotel where the band was staying, to visit with the hairdresser. While we were there Stevie called to have her bring over a hairdryer. She let me, but Stevie didn't answer the door. It didn't really matter, since I was shaking so much I doubt I could have spoken a single word. Then we went to the show, which was great. Afterward we went back stage and actually met Bill Graham, had Heineken's and food. Then we went to this special area which was armed with large men. They let us into the dressing room of the band. And there they were!!!!!!! Lindsey Buckingham and Christine McVie never gave us the time of day. John McVie said hello, but Stevie and Mick Fleetwood where very friendly. Mick was taking his blood pressure and Stevie was icing up her hand because of the tambourine. There was drinking and cocaine around but not offered to us. I figured it was the cocaine that made Mick's blood pressure go haywire. So......big day for a 21 year old girl. As I look back on it, meeting Bill Graham was probably bigger than the band, just didn't know it at the time. I also want to say thanks to all of you who personally E-mailed me to welcome me out of my lurker mode. WOW!!!!!!! I came here because of my love for Joni. What I've found is a lot of kind people who share a vision. A world where music and peace prevail. I am 42 and have recently lost several friends. One in death, the others in silly misunderstandings that turned into something bigger. Finding new friends is difficult. I guess once again, Joni is helping me through a difficult time. Cyber friends is an interesting concept. Is it true friendship if you have never met? I'm not sure, but when Ashara signed her e-mail, "Joni sisters", I knew that was a start......your new Joni sister.....Julie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 13:04:15 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The wonderful Mr. Cagno NJC In a message dated 10/5/01 7:15:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > I've been enjoying his "Present Moment Days" CD all week in my car, nice & > loud and clear...every song is like a fresh cup of coffee on the deck in > Pawley's Island with the morning sun coming up over the edge of the > house.... > > I've heard nothing else but rave reviews from everyone. Nikki & I had the honor & pleasure of having front row seats to an almost empty room at Annie's Thursday night. Is anyone alive in this fecking town! There was a blindman seated to the right of us at the bar who kept throwing requests at Gregg, to which he graciously obliged when he could. Included in Gregg's setlist was: The No-Dependent Song (my fave) The View from Here (special request by Paul Castle) Mandolin Moon All I Want People's Parties A Case Of You Carolina In My Mind He ended his second set with Come Together, to which he broke that G string again. He walked around the room & brought it down to the people with his now only acoustical Martin that he just got out for repairs. The pick-up wasn't working properly. Nikki & I even joined in the singing. Thanks Gregg for the fun We'll have to do it again sometime ;~) Rose in NJ NP: JT~Fire & Rain rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 13:34:24 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s YOu know, this idea that there was this most ideal decade for music, really seems like an odd concept. For me, it is fair for anyone to say, well, my FAVORITE music from a certain decade would be the 40's or the 60's or 80's etc. and There is nothing wrong with that. However, to say that the 60's 70s or even present years arent worth it, than you have to relook into the music of that era. For instance, I am another JMDLER were both inagreeance that there was just as much great music NOW as there was in the 70's or 60's.. The problem now, is that what (and this is just my opinion) is great music is Hardly ever Mainstream...and alot of the great new music in many ways has severed ties to any former styles of the 60's.. which many people on this list relate to musically.. Music that I am speaking of is such as Apex Twin, Dj Shadow, The Roots, Jurassic Five, etc.. This music is fresh sounding different and what has made the last ten years interesting. But I am not trying to play down ANYOne's tastes or opinions here, All I am saying is that everyone tends to have an idea of what is The Classic ERA... and that is fine, but dont shortchange any others..for their are many subtleties, idiosyncrasies and beautiful music coming throughout the whole of the twentieth century. I hope everyone can understand this.. as my ideas sometiems dont transition well into each other. Blair F _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 13:39:29 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s Again You know, maybe that is why she looks up to Miles so much, for Miles was never a real show off. Miles was more of an intimate artist.. He only really shared his music while performing or recording.. He never made an attempt to be this Triathalon winner of Jazz Performance, but mearly a musician with a true love for playing. Joni's whole idea is very similar to Miles in many a way. ANd the years of music that make impressions on a person DO seem to make that person stick closer to that era than any other,, for it has more meaning. A great discussion Kakki, and Fred and others :) Love Blair >Yes, and being a true artist she would not have desired to either compete >with, be influenced by, or meld with her musical contemporaries at the >time. >(although it has long been argued that she got into a lot of the alternate >tunings originally from Crosby). So in a way she was maybe detached from >them and maybe also looking just a bit with a critical eye at them. She >WAS >light years ahead of many of them and that, in itself, puts her in a unique >position. > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 13:43:00 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) I like the album alot too.. It almost makes me think of what Dylan would sound like if he had his own Cabaret show.. For instance, One moment he is playing some hard blues then he turns around, puts on a straw hat and brings out a cane and starts dancing while singing "Poor BoY". There is no one definitive sound as on Time out of Mind.. But for Dylan, this album really fits him well. It seems that he has finally become (over the past decade or so) the artist he always wanted to be.. Just an older bluesman who plays shows and makes music.. No fuss.. No Thrills... Just the music and himself. BLlair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 13:54:48 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Wayne Shorter in London Wow, Wayne Shorter, I would love to see him in concert, you are so lucky. You are seeing a legend. I am almost aggreeing with you.. that Joni just might show up.. Keep yer eyes peeled. Blair _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:16:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hearing NJC mg!!! this is so funny! ''oh, yum!!!!!'' wk And that's MG's Hearing Story #381 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 16:54:48 GMT From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: Re: No regrets INDEED! Tx Tush Replies: Dear BestBudJoniBob: What a good idea for a cool thread! This will help get us back on track as a Joni List. I for one am happy to talk about something - well, happy, for a change. I have always thought Car on a Hill and Down to you were related too. It has always surprised me that her songs seem to reflect a good amount of insecurity when it comes to love. How can a woman so multi-talented, rich and famous even in the early days when these songs were written, who can successfully connect with the most famous musicians of the world, have any doubts about herself? Why, God, why, should this beautiful soul have to pace the floor waiting on a man? Guess it just goes to show how few people really have it made in that department. Some happily marrieds may argue that, but let's not (ha ha). Anyway, that's one thought on the subject... Enjoying a COOL Sat. afternoon. Only a high of 68 for us today! Hope everyone reading this is having a good day. Love Donna SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > << Ok, Bob - you know how I like to try... > > Car on a Hill - C&S > > No regrets, >> > > Well, ladies & germs, it's a first...someone guessed the EXACT song I had > selected! Congrats and a big abrazo for my good friend Coyote Rick, who must > have looked across the gorgeous horizon, seen a car on a hill, and went with > his gut. > > Just confirm your address to me, Coyote, and your free copy of #22 is on its > way to Casa Alegre! ;~) > > Of course, anybody who didn't win (and THANKS for all the guesses, I was > delighted!) can get a copy by sending me a blank MUSIC CD and a > self-addressed stamped envelope: > > Bob Muller > 309 West Prentiss Ave. > Greenville, SC 29605 > > NP: (new) Gillian Welch, boy is this nice... > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:44:22 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Tribute to Heroes (NJC) Good news! For those that missed the wonderful Tribute to Heroes celebrity special, "a CD and DVD of the telethon performances, with their entire prices going to the United Way's September 11th Fund, will be released in a few weeks" according to this week's People Magazine. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 20:02:22 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Hearing NJC > , I was conferring with a coworker about the cross > aging on our ineligibles. ageing ineligibles? waht on earth are they? old married people? old losers? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 11:48:13 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: joni bio - what's the conversion rate anyway? Hello David: I purchased mine from Amazon UK. I looked up the conversion and, if I calculated correctly, it comes to about $36.00 U.S. after shipping costs and all. Not too shabby for a hardback, methinks. - -Julius - ----- Original Message ----- From: "J.David Sapp" To: "joni list" Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 7:58 AM Subject: joni bio - what's the conversion rate anyway? > does anybody know what the biography costs in us dollars if i purchase it at > amazon uk? > thanks, peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:22:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute to Heroes (NJC) Yeah, I figured they'd do that Ashara...sort of a no-brainer in terms of a fundraiser, and I'm sure negotiations with the stars was easy as they just donated all the potential royalties. And as much as I don't care for Madonna's work, she has proven to be the most generous in the rock and roll world, donating about $2 mil from concert revenues. A class act, even if she does dress funny! ;~) Bob NP: Gillian & David, "Final Run", Hickory, NC 9/27/97 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 15:36:24 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Fw: pierre and maggie for anyone interested in pierre trudeau and margaret: - ----- Original Message ----- From: shane mattison To: Mags Cc: cactussong@home.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: pierre and maggie hi mags, well i met and talked with both pierre and maggie at a post ballet reception when karen kain performed "swan lake" at the national arts centre in ottawa. meeting pierre was rather uneventful compared with maggie. he just shook my hand, and smiled...i told him i was the son of my father who he had known. at this meeting, i would say maybe he seemed smaller than he did on camera. after he said something to the effect of "oh, yes" and expressed some interest, he kind of slipped sheepishly away towards the corner of the room! whereas maggie was 'ms personality' to me... i asked her, "how's ottawa treating you lately?" because it was february 76 (not long afterward would occur her notorius excursions off with the stones etc and the wanderlust that led to their separation and divorce) and the press had been writing about her complaints that ottawa didn't feel very accepting or welcoming to her. well my question just made her beam and she started to confide in me 'all about it' so to speak. i don't remember all the details of her confiding, but she seemed to get quite animated, glad that she had found a young friend in which to confide, and from whom she might hope for sympathy. maybe they were already drawing apart by then; she had said later in retrospect that their separate feelings developed out of the aftermath of the 74 election which she had felt she really went out in campaigning for him. maybe she felt un- appreciated. they were certainly standing apart from one another, in different parts of the room. she had on a very beautiful gold miniskirt that had many layers of frills hanging down on it...very charismatic she was, and beautiful... and maybe pierre didn't want to be too sociable that evening! who knows who did who wrong - maggie or pierre. not much of a story, just that it was consistent with what was about to take place - her running off with the stones... i also have a friend, yvonne, who was a girlfriend of maggie's in vancouver, who recalled on one of the many occasions they hung out together, that pierre came by to visit while he was courting maggie. He came into the house and then had a doobie with them, all the while rcmp, bodyguards etc were all parked outside her door! possibly maggie had an artistic side and she needed to know more who she was before she got hitched up with all the political life of a much older man. nevertheless, the dancing at studio 54 the night of pierre's electoral defeat in 79 must have felt very cruel to him. the subsequent divorce and having to raise his kids often by himself...led to a humbling and deepening of the man it might be said. a little sad for him. anyhoo, mags, just a couple of tidbits... yours truly, shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:28:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: No regrets INDEED! << Why, God, why, should this beautiful soul have to pace the floor waiting on a man? >> I don't know if the song is purely autobiographical, but the emotions are certainly something that Joni converts from personal to universal. And interesting that she uses the classic rock and roll *CAR* concept. Typically, songs in popular music represent freedom, and Joni herself has some of those (In France They Kiss On Main Street). But in COAH, the car represents her imprisonment almost, there she is helpless waiting on the car to arrive... And I'm having a great day, Donna-doll, now that my housework's done! ;~) Bob NP: Gillian/Rawlings, "Paper Wings" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:59:37 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: Joni Sighting Kakki, this is the most exciting, thrilling news!!! Congratulations to you and Stephen! All right! This is it. I am coming up there and we are going to that restaurant breakfast, lunch and dinner. I'll eat as many tuna melts as it takes. I'll get iodine poisoning! I will look forward to hearing more tales when you're ready to release them. I hope you are madly scribbling every detail in a journal somewhere. Hope your heart stops pounding within the next decade ... but I doubt it : ) "(You're) a lucky girl! (You've) found your friend / Been all around the world / Mission impossible / Chasin' the rainbow's end" Your pal, Lindsay in San Diego (so close, yet so far away!) P.S. What was she wearing??!!! ; ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 15:04:30 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Taking the Car for a spin I love the >way she employs that technique in "Car On A Hill", really nice swirling >cascades of back-up singing, and lots of those "Joni Moments" we all groove >on. > >So, if you have a chance...play the song, think about it, and share your >thoughts. > >Bob I too love the way she demonstrates her vocal range on this song; the high "head voice" and the deep lows between the two stanzas. Waiting,waiting,waiting...she in her angst is thinking about the possibility of love-making when he arrives? (she's been with this guy on several occasions, but he isn't hers and she is not bored yet?) She's sort of unsure of herself when it comes to him. The swirling cascades of back-up singing is rather orgasmic........celestial,climax high,then the low, coming down to earth. (very low range possibly because she is still waiting, after all, three hours have passed) And another take is that the cascading highs.... to the deep low is that she is soooo pissed waiting for him? Always gives me chills when I listen. Bree np: Car On A Hill.......log in the hearth, waiting, waiting, waiting.... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 19:04:48 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Tribute to Heroes (NJC) In a message dated 10/6/01 5:52:56 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << And as much as I don't care for Madonna's work, she has proven to be the most generous in the rock and roll world, donating about $2 mil from concert revenues. >> And as much as *I* don't care for Leona Helmsley, I read today that she has donated $5 million. I guess this situation is bringing out the best in all kinds of people -- including the Queen of Mean! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 00:43:14 +0100 From: colin Subject: Moulin Rouge NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/01 5:52:56 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > > << And as much as I don't care for Madonna's work, she has proven to be the > most > generous in the rock and roll world, donating about $2 mil from concert > revenues. >> speaking of Madonna, John and I got around to going to the cinema today to see Moulin Rouge. First time we have been for ages, usally watching dvd or vid at home. After today I remember why we quit going. WHY do people insist on talking all the way thru a film? Anyway, the film was excellent. Very camp. Especially the Like A Virgin number. The whole film was high camp and if not understood I guess not liked. I have to say tho that i nearly left after the first 15 minutes. it was too manic. The very fast change of shot made me feel weird. However, it settled down and was very enjoyable. More so if I could have shot the yakkers. I hadn't really appreciated how beautiful Nicole kidman is before. Both she and Ewan MacGregor sang well. It took amazing imagination to stage this film. Highly original. The opening scenes with the wotrds and music to The Hills Are Alive from TSOM was very funny. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:13:43 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Burning CD's - njc Hello everyone. I bought a new computer last night, and now have the ability to burn my own CD's (Yes!), but really don't know where to begin. I know this subject has been talked about in the past, but at the time, it was pretty meaningless to me, so I pretty much ignored the information. Anyway, I'm hoping someone will be willing to share tips, recommended software, recommended blanks, whatever they think will be useful. Thanks for any help you can provide. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 17:58:07 -0700 From: daricem@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: brushes with celebs (pt 3) (NJC) Mike Campbell (TP and the Heartbreakers) at a small club in Berkeley David Crosby at the dessert buffet at the Fillmore-we decided the Turtle Brownies were the best- Jeff Bridges, Jeff Pevar, Emmylou Harris at the Walecki benefit) Bruce Springsteen (Dallas Texas) Jackson Browne (several times)- best conversation was about turning 50 and his horde of unopened presents from his recent party Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2001 01:12:37 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: SJC - response to Shorter in London & tribute to Heroes Hi all - Last night my husband and I attended a wonderful show that featured the music of Coltrane and Davis. It was a 75th Birthday celebration. The players were Herbie Hancock, Michael Brecker, Roy Hargrove, John Patitucci and Brian Blade. There was also a guest singer who I never heard of before but she had an excellent voice ... Roberta Gambernini. They did an excellent job with Impressions and So What. Brian Blade was at the top of his form! Below is the blurb on Brian from the program pamphlet. Notice what is stated about Joni. Since I didn't see the Tribute to Hero's celebrity special .... did Joni perform? Did Brian accompany her? Heather Louisiana-born, Brian Blade grew up in Shreveport, then New Orleans, where he distilled the unique drumming styles and musical heritage of the nations spiritual underbelly into a powerfully swinging percussive trademark. Nurtured under the watchful eyes of Ellis Marsalis and New Orleans Dixie- drum masters Johnny Vidacovich and Herlin Riley, Blade learned to find his "knit in the blanket' of sounds and styles. From albums and tours with Joshua Redman and Kenny Garrett, to recent recordings with Bob Dylan "Time Out Of Mind," Emmylou Harris "Wrecking Ball," Daniel Lanois "Sling Blade" and Joni Mitchell "Hero," Brian has shown deep musical instincts and a phenomenal gift for playing music texturally - both thick and thin - on the drums. His evolution continued on his astounding, highly acclaimed Blue Note debut, Brian Blade Fellowship. The line-up of Fellowship, Brian's band, is as potent as its leader's musical skills- Jon Cowherd, piano and Wurlitzer; Christopher Thomas on bass; Melvin Butler, tenor and soprano sax; Myron Walden, alto sax; Jeff Parker, guitar; and Dave Easley, pedal steel guitar. This self-titled album was produced by Daniel Lanois, who was also a guest on the album playing mando-guitar and Fender Mustang guitar; Mark Howard recorded and mixed at The Teatro in Oxnard, California. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #467 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?