From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #465 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 465 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: On second-guessing Les (NJC) ["Marian" ] RE: [Fwd: just venting (njc)] ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: On second-guessing Les (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Brushes with greatness, njc [colin ] Re: Wall Street Journal NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Checking Out of My Blue Motel Room ...(NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Come on people, now, smile on your brother... (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: truly tasteless NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: truly tasteless NJC [colin ] The wonderful Mr. Cagno NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Come on people, now, smile on your brother... (NJC) ["Sharon L. Buffi] Re: The wonderful Mr. Cagno NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: War Dream - NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: (njc) ["Dolphie Bush" ] And now something totally different and njc [Vince Lavieri ] Re: (njc) ["Dolphie Bush" ] 13-5 njc [Vince Lavieri ] Re: 13-5 njc ["Victor Johnson" ] just venting njc [MGVal@aol.com] Brushes with celebrities NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Brushes with celebrities NJC ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:43:01 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: On second-guessing Les (NJC) I would just like to go on record as saying that I never intended to give the impression that I was second-guessing Les or ever questioning his decision. Since I consider Marcel a friend, I felt an obligation as a friend to share what I know and feel as a kind of balance to all the negative things said about him. My experience of Marcel was positive. It seems that other people had very different experiences with him. I agree with Debra that he should have stopped posting to her (and any other people) privately if she (they) requested that he stop. I think it is wrong under all circumstances to be verbally abusive to anyone and someone who does that should probably be reprimanded in some way. I don't pay attention to the petty wars, so I didn't take the time to read the argumentative things from Sept. 10, 11, and 12, or even anything before then when people were arguing or fighting, and frankly I don't have the time or energy to go back and wade through all of that stuff again. And I don't think that it's necessary in order to convince me that Les made the right decision. I don't know what the right decision is. It's not my list. I don't know all the facts. I'm sure all of the affected people have communicated privately with Les. I respect Les greatly and if I really felt sure he had made a mistake and wanted to try to convince him to change his mind, I would write to him privately. I liked what Yael had to say. I think it would be possible to rehabilitate Marcel's posting behavior, but I really doubt if he even wants to come back at this point, so it's probably a waste of energy to even contemplate how he might return. Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:07:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: [Fwd: just venting (njc)] as far as i know, that is not true, debra. i have been corresponding with marcel and NEVER has he expressed the wish to be reinstated. i can't speak for the rest of marcel's friends on the list, but in my case marcel has never said anything about coming back or wanting to come back. i respect everybody's feelings and i am not interested in becoming a party in this situation. it is just that i can't let a comment like that go by when i know that at least as far as i am concerned it is not true. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de dsk Enviado el: Viernes, 05 de Octubre de 2001 11:59 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: [Fwd: just venting (njc)] Brian Gross wrote: > > damn evil bitch reeks arrogance > she hurts everyone around > > brei > -- > After twenty-three years you'd think I could find > A way to let you know somehow > That I want to see your smiling face > Forty-five years from now. > > --Stan Rogers Brian sent that message privately to me on Sunday night. It's not surprising to me that Marcel's name is involved. It's the kind of thing he'd write. I asked Brian for some explanation and have received nothing so I can only assume this is what he and Marcel both think about me. From this and things people have written to the list, it looks like Marcel's been doing some work in the background campaigning to get back on the list and bad mouthing and telling lies about me. To which I say, go right ahead, just keep your insults out of my personal mailbox. Anybody else that feels inspired to let me know such stuff, send it directly to the list. I have plenty of other things to worry about these days. Since the details about who this has gone to won't show up when I forward this, here's a copy of the header info on the message Brian sent me: Subject: just venting (njc) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 22:35:42 -0400 From: Brian Gross To: Debra Shea CC: Marcel Deste , briangross@rocketmail.com Yep, I'm angry now. I may have more to say about this later. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 16:26:42 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: [Fwd: just venting (njc)] Ok, that's good to know. It's just that strange things keep happening, such as Brian's message to me when he's the last person I'd ever expect to send me something like that, and people all of a sudden on the list being angry about what happened and seeing it in a much more complicated way than it actually was... all of that made me wonder what was going on behind the scenes, so it's good to get your feedback, Wally. Thank you. Debra Shea Wally Kairuz wrote: > > as far as i know, that is not true, debra. i have been corresponding with > marcel and NEVER has he expressed the wish to be reinstated. i can't speak > for the rest of marcel's friends on the list, but in my case marcel has > never said anything about coming back or wanting to come back. > i respect everybody's feelings and i am not interested in becoming a party > in this situation. it is just that i can't let a comment like that go by > when i know that at least as far as i am concerned it is not true. > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:26:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: On second-guessing Les (NJC) i agree with marian. i admire les for a decision that must have been very difficult to make. each of us seems to know a bit of the truth, like that old story about the three blind men and the elephant. sometimes topics erupt on the list that leave me totally perplexed. the latest thread on abuse seems to come out of nowhere; then debra's comments on marcel's campaigns, and now this sudden call to express loyalty to les make me feel like i haven't been on the same discussion list as the rest of the people. i don't think there's a single person on this list that condones violence or abuse of any form, that does not love and look up to les, and that wants to lose even more jmdl friends over bickering and pettiness. it is sad to succumb this way, to be caught up in the devil's bargain so inextricably. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:31:35 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Wayne Shorter in London In a message dated 05/10/01 14:52:35 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 08:49:54 > From: "Raffaele Malanga" > Subject: Wayne Shorter in London > > I just bought tickets for the concert Wayne Shorter will do at the Royal > Festival Hall in London on 10 Nov. He'll be playing along with Brian Blade, > John Patitucci and Danilo Perez. > > Now, my feeling/wish/hope is that being November, when Joni should be in > London recording her new songs, she might pop on stage for some unexpected > guest performance. On the other hand, Shorter and Blade are Joni's current > favourite musicians... At least I'm hoping to see her sitting in the first > row, in which case I'll put away all my shyness, go to her and give her a > big big hug. > > I'll keep you posted on this. > > Raf > Why not make this a Joni-meet. I'm up for it. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:41:37 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Brushes with greatness, njc > Whilst I haven't had any notable brushes > with Classical musicians of renown, my > mother told me a story about a friend of > hers. > > One weekend, world famous oboeist Leon > Goosens came to stay with my mother's friend. > Her six year old son came into the room with a > toy penny whistle and said to Goosens, "Bet you > can't get a tune out of this!" He took the penny > whistle and proceeded to play a lovely little > tune. At the end, the little boy said "Oh, I'm > glad it still works - it's been down the toilet > all day!!" > > PaulC > Amazing, Paul. When I was at school I learnt the oboe and Leon Goosens was "the" oboest in the UK at that time. I have a book on how to play the oboe by his wife (I think I'm right in saying), Evelyn Rothwell. I haven't played my oboe for many years and just yesterday lent it to the 11 year old daughter of a friend of mine who shows talent on the instrument and is presently using a grotty school instrument. The penny whistle is also a fine instrument, though I've never played one that's been down the toilet as far as I know. Regards Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:13:59 +0100 From: colin Subject: time to move on NJC I don't know how to write what i am feeling without it sounding like I am telling you all what you should do. I am not. You must all do as you please. The issue at hand has been done to death. Those who undertsand it always did and those who don't or won't still don't or won't. The frequent use of 'petty' to descirbe the situation shows this. The guilt trips laid on by people quitting are just that. each of is responsible for our actions and reactions. If people choose to leave, that is their action for which they are responsible for. The complaints about subject matter. You know, before the Only Joni list, there were many complaints about NJC. There still are and by people who chose NOT to go only joni! What arrogance! Then we get others complaining they didn't get defended over a perceived sleight yet have remained silent on this. I am completely baffled by all this. I do think this has been done to death. We have had argu,ments before and got thru all of them. This one is now worrying me. I think al those points people have to make have been made and I for one see little point in repeating them again and again and again and again. it is frustrating and I fear a waste of time. people will think what they want to think. I think the terribly dark act of the 11th has left a dark cloud over all of us and whilst it is not what casued this situation on the list, it may have exacerbated it. I love this list. i wouldn't have remained for over 4 years now if I didn't. I think genrally the people on this list are good and open hearted and sensitive-hence i think why this situation. I am NOT saying we should let situations such as this arise and do nothing and say nothing-after all that is how this got out of hand in the first place. No we should ALL defend our list. however, this war has been fought, there has been an outcome and like in all wars, some are happy and some are not. For the record, i am not happy it came to this. But I also cannot see how it could have been different. It is sad, really sad, it came to this. so much anger and pain caused thru one person's inability to deal with pain appropriately. Whlist this whole situation sadden's me I will not accept any responsibilty for another's beahviour, nor should Debra, Azeem, Chris, Ashara, Kate or anybody else that had the courage to stand against it. I know at least some of us did knowing we would bring down wrath upon ourselves. By the way, if you met my father, you would like him very much. Funny, charming, polite, friendly. You would never believe he fucked his children. you would never believe he knocked them unconcious. No you wouldn't believe. If you met my mother, you would think she was gracious and attractive and warm. you would never have believed that she would be cruel to her children, that she would defend her man, would allow him to do what he did and not only that but blame it on her 'naguhty' boys. That would fill their hearts with fear of hell and damnation and 'childrens homes'. And, no she was not timid nor did he ever hit her so it wasn't fear. The point I am making here, is that people have different experiences of people. people do not want to believe the bad stuff. Simply, it is too uncomfortable. And I am pretty sure I need to add this: I am not imply ing here that marcel did anything worse than he did. I merely use my own experiece because it is such a good example of how people who appear to the world as truly nice and good people, can do such truly bad things. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:22:07 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Brushes with greatness, njc > . At the end, the little boy said "Oh, I'm > > glad it still works - it's been down the toilet > > all day!!" ugh! erk! ick! how disgusting! funny story tho! I once lived on top of a newsagent. Or rather in a bedsitter above a newsagent. The woman who worked there was quite unpleasnt and a huge snob. Spoke with plums in her mouth and looked down upon all the customers. She would get you whatever it you wnated, in my case fags, and hold her hand out for the money. Never please or thank you. One morning, I went down in just my dressing gown(bathrobe). I asked for the pack of Camel and she held her hand out. i tokk the change out of the pocket of my dressing gown and place in it her upturned palm-along with sevral pubic hairs. You should have seen her face. i left quickly before I wet myself laughing. and no, it was not deliberate on my part. Given another person, I would have been mortified. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:11:25 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal NJC Does no one find this very ironic that Clinton did a real estate deal in Arkansas and out of that so much outrage flowed, but the Bush family's dealings - ongoing if the WSJ is correct that Bush the elder was meeting with the bin Laden family in 2000 - last year!!!!!!!! - with the bin Ladens is dismissed as degrees of separation? Oh, come on! I hope everyone who supported the Whitewater investigation and the revealing of every private matter in the Clinton family history will show the same zeal in supporting investigations into these matters. Surely if Hillary's business transactions were interesting, this is far more so! The Bush family - bin Laden family common investments in the Carlyle Group being verified by the Wall Street Journal and no Republicans in the Congress demanding a special investigator? How convenient the moral outrage is over who (Clintons or Bushs) makes money, what they make money with (real estate versus armaments) and with whom they make money (other Arkansans versus the bin Ladens). Not since George Bush the 1st sent Bob Dole to Iraq to toast Saddam Hussein in 1990... We don't need any flame wars over this, but c'mon, doesn't all strike anyone as a teensy bit strange that the old investigate Whitewater crowd has not responded the same way to this? No one needs post or reply - it is just so interesting. I am really missing Marcel from this list at moments like this... as I am singing a little old Country Joe song, "But c'mon on Wall street, don't be slow, let's man this war a go go! There's plenty of good money to be made supplying the army with the tools of trade!" And to think that I may be the first one on the list and on the block to have my boy come home in a box! (the Rev) Vince NPIMH: the FISH cheer PS: Marcel and I have been talking a lot of baseball as his beloved SF Giants try to win their way into the playoffs. He is fine, doing well, and we have also been trading memories of Janis Joplin, whom he actually met and had a few drinks with! Also some marvelous stories of Peter Townsend and Roger Daltry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:12:43 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Checking Out of My Blue Motel Room ...(NJC) Shit, Larry. I never met you Don, but I will miss you a heck of a lot. My only hope is that there will come a time when the people on this list remember what has brought us together, and focus on that rather than what is tearing us apart. Love, - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 23:39:13 +0100 From: colin Subject: truly tasteless NJC and if you do read it don't you dare complain! Many many years ago, I knew an American woman from Syracuse(sp?), NY who will remain nameless in case she is on this list. anyway shew was big buxom black lesbian.(actually I am sure I wrote this when i first joined the list in a manic state and rewrite it just to prove I am just as tasteless when sane). Anyway, we would go out to discos together(see I said it was long time ago). One night we had danced till pretty late, like 3am and we ended back at her one roon flat. We crashed in the same bed. well a lesbian and poof? why not? perfectly safe right? Wrong! one thing led to another and before we knew it we were at it. Yes IT! Really! I was doing IT with this woman. It got confusing. I just about figured out where to put my .... when she kept directing my hand to.... and I was thinking how I am supposed to ..... and do that with my hand? Am i contortionist? So anyway, i managed just about and she starts to moan. God, i thought, now whats wrong? Aren't I doing enough? This is knackering me. I carried on and she moaned more. I already had my eyes closed and was wishing for some earplugs. Then I was horror struck. She suddenly dug her nails into my back, she was soaked in sweat, her eyes rolled back in her head and she started to scream!! On my, god! the phone, wheres the frigging phone? I panicked, Call 999(911). NOOOOOOO! she screamed and pulled me closer ' DON'T STOP!! How could I refuse. i was terrified! She was BIG. I wasn't about to upset her. Beside those friggin nails were well dug in now. Next thing I knew, she was crushing me with her legs which now wrapped around my chest. Oh my God, found dead in bed with a woman? what about my reputation? I couldn't breath and my hand was well and truly stuck between us. Just as I was sure I was about to depart this world, she went all limp, looked up at me, smiled and said'thank you'. I just stared at her, too stunned to say anything. Oh and I did eventually figure out what the hand stuff was about. what a stupid place to stick a clitoris. I can feel myself blush but i am hitting the send button anyway..... - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:30:09 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Come on people, now, smile on your brother... (NJC) Joni used to sing that, remember? It was written: >The people... are either relatively new... >or don't post very often to the list, and rarely or never post anything >about politics and, if they do, quickly back down in their opinions. Boy, do I feel like I was just called a name here. I don't like that, and I don't like being asked (in other posts) to take sides. "If you're HER friend, you can't be MY friend, if you're MY friend, you can't be HIS friend..." This is my family, and I don't play those games in my family. Bah! Les, maybe we *ALL* need a couple of weeks off? - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 15:28:47 -0700 From: jan Subject: truly tasteless NJC (snip) >I can feel myself blush but i am hitting the send button anyway..... > >-- >bw >colin Man is my own life boring... - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 17:51:33 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: truly tasteless NJC Dar Jan: LOL...it might be safer though...you and Miss Wonder Kittie listening safely to tunes, eating pop corn on the davenport...and posting to this list. Sounds like a nice family event to me. :) I have been reduced to practicing the Argentine Tango with Lily, my year old golden retriever, who is always game for a tango. I must say in many ways she is better than my dance partner Glen who often dances the tango looking like a deer caught in the headlights of a fast approaching Oldsmobile. Boring can be good. :) Peace.....Sharon...listening to John Gorka and remembering Greggo singing... jan wrote: > > (snip) > >I can feel myself blush but i am hitting the send button anyway..... > > > >-- > >bw > >colin > > Man is my own life boring... > -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:46:05 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: (njc) Wally Kairuz wrote: > as far as i know, that is not true, debra. i have been corresponding with > marcel and NEVER has he expressed the wish to be reinstated. i can't speak > for the rest of marcel's friends on the list, but in my case marcel has > never said anything about coming back or wanting to come back. > i respect everybody's feelings Well said Wally!!!! and will add that Marcel has been emphatic to me that he does not wish to return to the JMDL. My missing Marcel in here has to do with his love of music and Joni, and on occasion his political comments with which I always disagreed but were always, ah, interesting. That people felt abused by Marcel, I grieved that they felt abused, were abused, and that my friend was involved. I also feel it is past time that we should be talking negatively about someone who is not here. That is not fair - and if anyone felt Marcel was unfair to them, we don't resolve that by being unfair to him now. There is a partial solution that should be available to most of us. If any one person is a problem in our email lives, set your filters on your email program to move all emails from that person direct to your trash. Just trash them as they come in. I have been guilty of wanting to say one more thing when it would have better to have said nothing, I have been guilty of reading something that I kind of suspected in advance would cause a reaction in me, when it would have been better to have just trashed the message ahead of time and not read it. Sometimes we are better off blissfully unaware, just letting the stuff go by total ignoring it. One crucial difference between real life and cyber life is that in the internet world, we can delete and trash those who abuse us and they are gone. We have the option, use the option, to break the cycle of cyber abuse. Think of it as your own virus screening program to preserve joy in your own life. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 00:03:40 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: truly tasteless NJC > Man is my own life boring... then you simply must get whatever drug would make you bipolar. you'd neevr complain about being bored again! You could dance in your underpants on motorways. That is fun. yoiu could audition yourself into drama school and get thrown out at the beginnign of term cos you are now down, you could get a job as a stylist in a top hairdressers eevn tho you can't cut hair, you can tell dirty jokes to the nurses whilst your stomach is being pumped. You can surprise your other half when he gets home at night because when he left we had no cats and now we have 9. You can arrive at a total strangers home to look at their stud dog-at dawn. You can flirt outrageously with a policeman whilst he is directing traffic(I thought he was giving me the come on) and get away with it. youy can even bomabrd the JMDL with 30 odd posts a day! everyday can be fun, fun, fun. even when you are down it can be amsuing. You can throw yourself off a bridge at night into the sea-when the tide is out and get covered in cold, black smelly mud. Not an ideal face pack. > > -jan - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:06:27 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: The wonderful Mr. Cagno NJC << Peace.....Sharon...listening to John Gorka and remembering Greggo singing... >> I've been enjoying his "Present Moment Days" CD all week in my car, nice & loud and clear...every song is like a fresh cup of coffee on the deck in Pawley's Island with the morning sun coming up over the edge of the house.... And to sweeten the pot, I got ANOTHER Gregg CD today in the mail..."Tales From 6th & Clinton". Life is SWEET!! Thanks for the trade, Gregg! Bob NP: live Ryan Adams, doing a Backstreet Boys cover! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:15:53 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Come on people, now, smile on your brother... (NJC) Some words of wisdom from Mr. Gorka: I've passed the foregone conclusion My hand's sore from carrying the world around I crack the art of self-delusion I'm out hangin off the edge of town Half vast, vagabond and vagrant I'll say it is a phrase I never learned I could sink into the pavement But I slip into the joint of no return chorus In the joint of no return I hope that you will find me there And you avoid the random burn No second guessing you can't compare Your regrets to wisdom earned In the joint of no return Hold on there's hunger in the corner Oh no, I'm still a no account Tonight I will be your server Look back and overpay the whole amount My friend's we're all potential rumors Know now that nothing in the future's firm I will be passing out the blinders Out here in the joint of no return Steve Dulson wrote: > > Joni used to sing that, remember? > > It was written: > > >The people... are either relatively new... > >or don't post very often to the list, and rarely or never post anything > >about politics and, if they do, quickly back down in their opinions. > > Boy, do I feel like I was just called a name here. I don't like that, > and I don't like being asked (in other posts) to take sides. "If you're > HER friend, you can't be MY friend, if you're MY friend, you can't be > HIS friend..." This is my family, and I don't play those games in my > family. > > Bah! > > Les, maybe we *ALL* need a couple of weeks off? > > -- > ######################################################## > Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com > "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com > "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org > "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:33:25 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: The wonderful Mr. Cagno NJC Quello h perfetto Mr. Bob! :) I know I have almost worn out Present Day Moments. I was telling Kate that Gregg reminds me of Gorka...I know many felt Gregg reminded them of JT...but I hold out for JG. :) I have to get more of Gregg's CD's. Keep on keeping your life sweet, Bob. Love...Sharon...acid free (private joke) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > << Peace.....Sharon...listening to John Gorka and remembering Greggo > singing... >> > > I've been enjoying his "Present Moment Days" CD all week in my car, nice & > loud and clear...every song is like a fresh cup of coffee on the deck in > Pawley's Island with the morning sun coming up over the edge of the house.... > > And to sweeten the pot, I got ANOTHER Gregg CD today in the mail..."Tales > >From 6th & Clinton". > > Life is SWEET!! Thanks for the trade, Gregg! > > Bob > > NP: live Ryan Adams, doing a Backstreet Boys cover! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 18:36:47 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: (njc) If indeed this Marcel person does not want to come back to this list then why in the world do all these discussions pertaining to him continue. Those of who who like him, keep in touch with him off the list. Why keep bringing him up if he is gone and has no interest in returning. What a complete waste of time and energy. And arguing about it, why he left, what he did, etc. is LUDICROUS. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Lavieri" To: "Wally Kairuz" ; "joni" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: (njc) > Wally Kairuz wrote: > > > as far as i know, that is not true, debra. i have been corresponding with > > marcel and NEVER has he expressed the wish to be reinstated. i can't speak > > for the rest of marcel's friends on the list, but in my case marcel has > > never said anything about coming back or wanting to come back. > > i respect everybody's feelings > > Well said Wally!!!! and will add that Marcel has been emphatic to me that he > does not wish to return to the JMDL. > > My missing Marcel in here has to do with his love of music and Joni, and on > occasion his political comments with which I always disagreed but were always, > ah, interesting. > > That people felt abused by Marcel, I grieved that they felt abused, were > abused, and that my friend was involved. > > I also feel it is past time that we should be talking negatively about someone > who is not here. That is not fair - and if anyone felt Marcel was unfair to > them, we don't resolve that by being unfair to him now. > > There is a partial solution that should be available to most of us. > > If any one person is a problem in our email lives, set your filters on your > email program to move all emails from that person direct to your trash. Just > trash them as they come in. > > I have been guilty of wanting to say one more thing when it would have better > to have said nothing, I have been guilty of reading something that I kind of > suspected in advance would cause a reaction in me, when it would have been > better to have just trashed the message ahead of time and not read it. > Sometimes we are better off blissfully unaware, just letting the stuff go by > total ignoring it. > > One crucial difference between real life and cyber life is that in the internet > world, we can delete and trash those who abuse us and they are gone. We have > the option, use the option, to break the cycle of cyber abuse. Think of it as > your own virus screening program to preserve joy in your own life. > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 18:47:06 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: War Dream - NJC Dear Julius: Riding those mares into the night...you are a vivid dreamer as well as an excellent writer. Thank you for the night ride. :) Peace.......Sharon "J. R. Mills" wrote: > > I've just woken up in a cold sweat from a war dream, the type of which I've been afflicted by since the September 11th attack. In this one I was a spy who had somehow infiltrated the Al Qaeda organization and had befriended Osama bin Laden and gained his confidence to garner intelligence for the U.S. and the Allies. > > In the dream I was hunkered down with his personal guard somewhere in the Afghanistan mountains and was desperate to get the hell out of that terrorist camp to report back his location to my superiors in time for the war effort. I was also living in fear that I would be discovered and brutally killed, as I had observed the Al Qaeda and Taliban murder so many Afghanistan youth who had refused to join their militia since I had infiltrated the army. > > At one point there was a fire fight, like I had seen video of during the Iraq war. It was pitch dark, but ordinance lit up the black of night. I took that opportunity to beat a hasty retreat on horseback in the confusion. > > At that point in the dream, as I was riding like the wind, all I could hear was the heavy, rhythmic breathing of my trusty steed and the clop, clop of his hooves against hard ground as he ran in full gallop for my dear life. That and my own pounding heartbeat. > > I turned around to look, and sure enough, the Al Qaeda was hot on my trail with Soviet made AK-47 rifles poised to fire. I could see the breath of their horses in the evening chill and could hear the angry Arabic shouts of "Get the infidel! Get him! Kill him!" > > Good thing it was dream, 'cause just as they were closing in on me the horse took flight like Pegasus...like it was a Steven Spielberg movie or something. But I wasn't out of the woods yet...the Taliban soldiers chasing me had some damn "stinger" missiles that the U.S. had supplied them with years ago to fight the Soviet invasion. I looked back in flight and could see the tracers of one headed right for us. Horse and I dodged for all we were worth, but it was a heat-seeker and we were hit hard. > > We dropped out of the sky like a rock, like you fall in dreams when you realize "hey, I'm flying." We fell to Earth somewhere in a thicket, but not far from the pursuing mob. I looked down and my left leg had been blown off, leaving a bloody stump. The horse was near death, bleeding from the neck. I just hugged him, thanking him when he looked at me with a rolled back eye and drew his last breath, exhaling visibly. > > I thought I was done for, but just then a woman gallops up on horseback, her dark tresses flying in the wild wind. There was a tattered American flag draped over the hind quarters of her horse. She reached down and with one hand pulls me onto her horse, saying "Quit your crying! This mission isn't over yet!." > > Her horse reared back on it's hind quarters and whinnied loudly as the rider whispered something in her ear and we took off in a dusty haze, riding fast, like we were on the horse in the Frances ford Coppola movie "Black Stallion." I held on tight around her waist lest I fall off. I was biting my lip hard trying to fight back the worsening pain of my leg wound. > > That's when I woke up. > > I'm still shaking. I guess that's what I get for falling asleep with CNN on the telly. > > -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:19:27 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: UnF#$$%ing Believable!!!!!!!!!(njc) Braves have scored 10 runs on only three hits in the first inning against the Marlins. The starting pitcher walked 700 batters and the reliever wasn't any better. Chipper Jones just cleared the bases with a grand slam! I predict the final score will be 75-3, and the Marlins will throw approximately 270 pitches! Victor in Athens, watching the Braves on their way to a 10th straight division title, something no American sports team has ever done! Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:39:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Another brush with celebrity NJC in another futile attempt to brighten the mood of this list a little, I thought I'd share another 'brush with celebrity' story. This isn't my story, it belongs to a friend of mine who moved to LA a few years ago to find work in the entertainment industry. I left his name off, but other than that this is his message to me. Enjoy, Tyler I booked work as a background extra on a show called "Bob Patterson" (it's the show starring Jason Alexander (from Seinfeld) that will be on TV this fall). I arrive on the set and am told that I in the scene I'm in I'll be standing in a elevator with John Tesh. I have to go to the elevator to learn how the trap door/escape hatch works (so we can get in and out of the elevator without the audience seeing us), and meet up with John Tesh and another extra. John Tesh introduces himself to us as "John", he is a very nice, personable guy. As we are learning to work the door, we are told that we have to know this so that we can let Bo Derek out of the elevator, so we can get onto it. Bo Derek! We open the door and Bo Derek steps out as we step in. At this point I realize just how surreal this moment is. By the way, Bo Derek is just SOOO beautiful, that it's amazing. Not the jiggle girl from "10", but a really beautiful woman and only slightly shorter than me. She was also very nice. So to recap, my job for two days was to stand backstage with John Tesh, open a door, let Bo Derek out and then stand in the elevator with John Tesh and then I'm done. What an incredibly difficult and complex job, eh? Oh yeah and I had to eat a ton of free catered food. Oh boy, I could get used to this. Is Hollywood great, or what?! Watch for this episode somtime in October. NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:04:43 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: (njc) that is exactly my point victor, the decision HAS BEEN MADE. As far as who and what Marcel is, is irrelevant. I have nothing against him, I don't even know him. However, he has obviously hurt some people very badly, was censured for it, and now is off the list, and purportly has no interest in coming back to it, so why do you and others continue this relentless letter writing continuing to mention his name, which obviously only upsets Debra. I wonder about your motives. If he doesn't want to return, if it upsets Debra, and serves no point, just what is the point? Mack mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "Dolphie Bush" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: (njc) > > If indeed this Marcel person does not want to come back to this list then > > why in the world do all these discussions pertaining to him continue. > Those > > of who who like him, keep in touch with him off the list. Why keep > bringing > > him up if he is gone and has no interest in returning. What a complete > > waste of time and energy. And arguing about it, why he left, what he did, > > etc. is LUDICROUS. > > > > mack > > Mack, > > Marcel attended the very first jonifest I attended in New Orleans. He also > attended the recent jonifest in Boston. I have met him myself and he is an > extremely talented musician and can be a pleasant person when he wants to. > It is a big deal that he was removed from the list, perhaps meaning more to > some people than others, through personal experience, etc...When you attend > a few jonifests, the nature of the list changes, and almost becomes > secondary to the friendships that have developed in person. Anyway, to many > people, this is very significant and does mean something. It was not a > trivial incident. I understand if you're not interested in this but just > respect that many people are and that it was not an easy decision to make. > > Victor > > > > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:08:34 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: And now something totally different and njc I got this from Susan Guzzi, my peer as a Joni fan and a White Sox fan, and was saving it for a day when we needed to go off on a tangent. So with thanks to Susan: Well I've heard of having a horseshoe up there but really ... Subject: A REALLY "bad" day at the office > > True Story: > Brian is a commercial saturation diver for Global > Divers out of > Louisiana and performs underwater repairs on > offshore drilling rigs. > Below is an e-mail he sent to his sister. She sent > it to Laughline and > won the contest (he wasn't thrilled with her for > that one). Anyway, > anytime you think you have had a bad day at the > office, remember this > guy. > > April 1998 > > Hi, Sue, > > Just another note from your bottom dwelling brother. > Last week I had a > bad day at the office. I know you've been feeling > down lately at work, > so I thought I would share my dilemma with you to > make you realize it's > not so bad after all. Before I can tell you what > happened to me, I first must > bore you with a few technicalities of my job. This > time of year the water is > quite cool, even with a wetsuit. So what we do to > keep warm is this: We have > a diesel powered industrial water heater. This > $20,000 piece of shit > sucks the water out of the sea. It heats it to a > delightful temp. It then > pumps it down to the diver through a garden hose > which is taped to the air > hose. Now this sounds like a damn good plan, and > I've used it several times > with no complaints. What I do, when I get to the > bottom and start working, is > I take the hose and stuff it down the back of my > neck. This floods my whole > suit with warm water. It's like working in a > Jacuzzi. > Everything was going well until all of a sudden, my > ass started to > itch. So, of course, I scratched it. This only made > things worse. > > Within a few seconds my ass started to burn. I > pulled the hose out from > my back, but the damage was done. In agony I > realized what had > happened. The hot water machine had sucked up a > jellyfish and pumped it > into my suit. This is even worse than the poison ivy > you once had under > a cast. Now I had that hose down my back. I don't > have any hair on my back, > so the jellyfish couldn't get stuck to my back. My > ass crack was not as > fortunate. When I scratched what I thought was an > itch, I was actually > grinding the jellyfish into my ass. I informed the > dive supervisor of my > dilemma over the communicator. His instructions were > unclear due to the fact > that he, along with 5 other divers, were laughing > hysterically. Needless to > say, I aborted the dive. It totaled 35 minutes > before I could come to the > surface for my chamber dry decompression. I got to > the surface wearing > nothing but my brass helmet. My suit and gear were > tied to the bell. When I > got on board the medic, with tears of laughter > running down his face, handed > me a tube of cream and told me to shove it "up my > ass" when I get in the > chamber. The cream put the fire out, but I couldn't > shit for two days because > my asshole was swollen shut. Anyway, the next time > you have a bad day at the > office, think of me. Think about how much worse your > day would be if you were > to shove a jellyfish up your ass. I hope you have no > bad days at the office. > But if you do, I hope this will make it more > tolerable ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:25:07 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: (njc) For the record, I have never sent any message to the list that mentioned Marcel. Also, the message I sent tonight was not sent to the list and should not have been replied to onlist. Anybody who has no interest in this matter can simply ignore it. No one is forced to participate in any discussion. Please respect the right of people to discuss something that matters to them. This is very simple. Victor in Athens Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:33:01 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: (njc) and here is a very simple reply to you victor. firstly, i apologize for sending that to the list, which i did in error. secondly, do not send me private messages again about this matter, and thirdly, ignore of this silly mess is the best advice you have given. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "joni" Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:25 PM Subject: (njc) > For the record, I have never sent any message to the list that mentioned > Marcel. Also, the message I sent tonight was not sent to the list and > should not have been replied to onlist. Anybody who has no interest in this > matter can simply ignore it. No one is forced to participate in any > discussion. Please respect the right of people to discuss something that > matters to them. This is very simple. > > Victor in Athens > > > > > > > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 21:45:01 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: 13-5 njc I see Atlanta is cruising 13-5 in the 6th, right? and if they win tonight they clinch the division title. Have fun in Atlanta, Victor! The Sox are playing Minnesota for 2nd place in our division, wish us luck. Wonder how Barry Bonds ever gets a good swing given the size of his earring, that must be heavy at that size, and I'd think the weight would throw someone off. But he's got 70 so what do I know? happy for you, Victor! (the Rev) Vince, who thinks the As will win it all this year. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:46:32 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: 13-5 njc > I see Atlanta is cruising 13-5 in the 6th, right? and if they win > tonight they clinch the division title. Have fun in Atlanta, Victor! > Braves are 15-3! I'd like to see them break 20...hit while the hittin's good. > The Sox are playing Minnesota for 2nd place in our division, wish us > luck. Go Sox!!! Thanks Vince!!! Victor in Athens Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:50:00 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: just venting njc From Julius in response to a post from Debra Shea << I don't blame you at all for being angry, Debra. I'm horrified. There can be no satisfactory explanation for what Brian sent you, in my opinion. >> Not to make trivial of anything that has been posted about abuse but I would like to point out that all we saw what appears to be a snippet of an email and Brian's tag line. I've known Brian Gross for a number of years and yeah, we may all have less than desirable private opinions of others, (goodness knows I do), but I do know from long association with him, that he is a good person. Anyhow, I just wanted to say that piece of mine. Thanks, MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 22:06:32 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Brushes with celebrities NJC Compared to most of the posts, mine are so terribly minor, but what the heck: I gave a back massage to Phil Lesh in Pittsburgh PA in 1980 Had a drink with David Bromberg in Rochester, NY in 1979 Had my ticket stub signed by Penn, (or maybe Teller, I can't tell them apart), of Penn and Teller. (boy do I have a crush on him!) Shook hands with Duffy Dyer - backup catcher for the NY Mets after Jerry Grote And that pretty much wraps up my brief entanglements with fame. With any luck, fortune is next in line. MG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 14:20:39 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Brushes with celebrities NJC MG wrote: > Compared to most of the posts, mine are so terribly minor, but what the heck: > > I gave a back massage to Phil Lesh in Pittsburgh PA in 1980 > > Had a drink with David Bromberg in Rochester, NY in 1979 > > Had my ticket stub signed by Penn, (or maybe Teller, I can't tell them > apart), of Penn and Teller. (boy do I have a crush on him!) > > Shook hands with Duffy Dyer - backup catcher for the NY Mets after Jerry Grote > > And that pretty much wraps up my brief entanglements with fame. > > With any luck, fortune is next in line. You beat me again (a vague reference to the Joni concert thing) ;o)! I haven't met anyone famous, ever. I passed Neil Finn (Crowded House) in the street once, does that count? And I saw Lucy Lawless drinking coffee at Starbucks, but didn't speak to her. I guess minor NZ-famous celebrities don't count either, do they? I really need to move to the US so I can take care of these things, once and for all. The chance of seeing Joni in concert grows smaller by the day, but I'd certainly settle for a Kakki/Stephen-type encounter! Hell - hoping fortune is next in line for me too, and about to go out and further my chances by buying my weekly lottery ticket ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #465 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?