From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #461 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, October 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 461 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Greggno (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Fwd: Re: desert island follow up, NJC [Steve Dulson ] Tony Blair NJC [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Re: Hello! (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Brushes With Greatness, njc ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Janis NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: food for thought NJC ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Verbal abuse (NJC [RobSher50@aol.com] Brushes With Greatness, njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Wall Street Journal NJC [Bruyere ] Re: Brushes With Greatness, njc ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: closest brush with celebrity NJC ["Lori R. Fye" ] NJC Re: hello! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: food for thought NJC [Bruyere ] Re: Wall Street Journal NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: hello! [Bruyere ] NJC Re: 40s vs. 60s [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wall Street Journal NJC [Bruyere ] Mississippi (song) NJC [Yael Harlap ] Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Lennon Tribute on TNT Now (NJC) [Janet Hess ] Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) [Emily K Gray ] Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Subject: food for thought NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: Brushes With Greatness(njc) * bob dylan ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: Re: Brushes With Greatness(njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: shall we dance? NJC [Bruyere ] brush with greatness ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: shall we dance? NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:47:27 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Greggno (NJC) In a message dated 10/4/01 7:07:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: > Please pass on my best and ask him to sing his song > "The View From Here" - for all folktrain jonifesters. > Such a great song, I reckon. > > I'll pass this on Paul. Gregg is playing tonight at Annie's in Sterling NJ. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:08:27 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Fwd: Re: desert island follow up, NJC Laurent asked: >Since I love the 60's and your selection, I was wondering if you could >please tell me about the 3 artists I've never heard of: Dave Carter & Tracy >Grammer, Gillian Welch and Steve Gillette. Gosh, Laurent, nice to see you writing about something besides politics! :) Steve Gillette was a young Orange County, CA singer songwriter when he recorded that album for Vanguard in 1967. It contains his two best-known songs, "Darcy Farrow" and "Back On the Street Again". Steve is still active on the folk scene, and is a wonderful performer - in fact (plug) he'll be at my concert series next March. There is a Joni connection - the same photographer shot both Steve's and Joni's first album covers. Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer are a youngish duo out of Portland, OR. Dave writes, sings, plays guitar and banjo, Tracy plays fiddle, guitar, mando and sings. There songs are like no others out there. Dave is in touch with some very deep places - think "Slouching Toward Bethlehem." One of their songs, "Gentle Arms of Eden" tells the history of life on earth - in 4 verses. Also terrific people and performers. Gillian Welch (along with her partner David Rawlings) has written some amazingly old-timey sounding songs. She is dialled in to rural, depression, dust bowl, WWII and fifties America like no one else. They will knock your socks off live. Thanks for asking! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:11:57 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Tony Blair NJC Rev Vince asked if Tony Blair always speaks with such eloquence. TB, like his wife Cherie Booth, is a barrister by profession, and therefore as an advocate you would expect him to speak well. On this occasion, however, I feel that his speech was driven by genuine emotion, and would take some beating. A newspaper here, talking about the visit by Clinton to NY, gave it the headline "Will the real Pesident please stand up?" It said that BC knew how to deal with the people better than Bush, although in fairness it also commented that Bush appeared to be lost for words because he was deeply upset. Some British politicians, incidentally, are barristers who haven't done very well as barristers. Frighteningly, our defence minister, Geoff Hoon, falls into that category. Best wishes to you all, Clive. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:26:40 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello! (NJC) Ali wrote: <> You can't be the real Alison! She would would have signed her email with "alison in slc" :~) Just kidding sweetie! Congratulations on the new job! Love, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:56:29 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Brushes With Greatness, njc I exchanged emails with Wally and JJ, called Simon on the phone, hung out on Paz'es back porch till 6AM, sent cassettes to Karen in the U.K., ate John's cooking, hugged Claud9, argued with Marcel, forwarded a seed recording from Paul, watched David sit down to an impromtu set in a private room at the New Orleans' "House Of Blues", swapped for prints by Sue and Rose, got invited back to Ashara's, experienced Sherelle's singing at close range, talked IT with Steve, danced with Leslie, drank with JulZie, took a road trip with Yael, visited an archetectural marvel with MG, provided background info for a book on album covers, applauded Kate from the front row, accompanied Victor, photographed Joni from the lip of the stage, heard countless talented and amazing friends sing, play, and chat, felt the vibrating top of Terry's guitar as she played in open tunings, and finally, I received literary praise from Kakki. As my friend Niki says, "What ever you give you get back ten fold." Love, Lama oh, yeah, I made Joni cry too. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:01:23 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Janis NJC As always, on this date I post a remembrance of Janis Joplin, 31 years ago today and deeply missed. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:20:17 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Re: food for thought NJC I think he's already half way there, Mags. I mean, anyone who goes out of his way to kill civilians already has no balls. Lama np: "films for radio" by Over The Rhine Mags' quoted: this was sent by a friend... Therefore, I suggest we do neither. Instead, let the Special Forces, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation. Then we return HER to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 21:43:15 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Verbal abuse (NJC Very well said Kate as was the rest of your post. People on other lists think I am nuts, but I do not stand for any type of verbal abuse and I stand up to those perpetrating it. (It's much worse elsewhere) I totally agree that it hurts as bad as "sticks and stones." This is a very deep belief of mine and I appreciate you mentioning it. Sherelle NP-Michael McDonald-Blues Obsession CD- song-Where Would I Be Now? Kate Bennett wrote: If you've heard, "You're Too Sensitive" you've heard verbal abuse. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:48:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Brushes With Greatness, njc my city has been one of the most important opera and classical music centers in the world for more than a century. because i've always lived a few blocks away from teatro colon, and many times in buildings where singers and conductors were staying while in south america, most of my encounters with celebrities have been with opera and classical music stars. when i was 8 i met maria callas [thanks to my mother!!!]. at the same party i met pier paolo passolini. later on in my life, i met/had dinner/talked informally with lots of opera singers and some ballet stars too. some of the bigger names that i think you might recognize are: birgit nilsson joan sutherland placido domingo rudolf nureyev ingrid bjoner eva marton gwyneth jones anna moffo leonie rysanek james levine georg solti samuel ramey ghena dimitrova elena suliotis jon vickers deborah voight and many, many, many more! these are not just people whose autographs i asked or that i congratulated after a performance but people i established a meaningful rapport with and with some of whom [nilsson, marton, suliotis] i still correspond. as to other stars: laurie anderson rick wakeman catherine deneuve bruce labruce richard carpenter, etc casual encounters: anne rice in an elevator; william hurt in the hamptons; and my favorite one of all: cnn's jeanne moos in central park!!!!! [if you don't know jeanne moos, you don't know what you're missing]. i also met and befriended the jmdl's only true celebrity: robert holliston. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:52:02 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal NJC Thanks for this Kate. Somewhere in the tiny corners of my brain I thought this might be a possibility. To actually read it is scary. Heather At 10:23 AM 10/3/01 -0700, Kate Bennett wrote: >WALL STREET JOURNAL: BUSH SR. IN BUSINESS WITH BIN LADEN FAMILY CONGLOMERATE >THROUGH CARLYLE GROUP >http://www.judicialwatch.org/press_release.asp?pr_id=1624 > >******************************************** >Kate Bennett >www.katebennett.com >sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com >Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: >http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html >******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 21:03:29 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Brushes With Greatness, njc They do not hold a candle to Minnie. :) Wally Kairuz wrote: > > my city has been one of the most important opera and classical music centers > in the world for more than a century. because i've always lived a few blocks > away from teatro colon, and many times in buildings where singers and > conductors were staying while in south america, most of my encounters with > celebrities have been with opera and classical music stars. > when i was 8 i met maria callas [thanks to my mother!!!]. at the same party > i met pier paolo passolini. > later on in my life, i met/had dinner/talked informally with lots of opera > singers and some ballet stars too. some of the bigger names that i think you > might recognize are: > > birgit nilsson > joan sutherland > placido domingo > rudolf nureyev > ingrid bjoner > eva marton > gwyneth jones > anna moffo > leonie rysanek > james levine > georg solti > samuel ramey > ghena dimitrova > elena suliotis > jon vickers > deborah voight > and many, many, many more! > these are not just people whose autographs i asked or that i congratulated > after a performance but people i established a meaningful rapport with and > with some of whom [nilsson, marton, suliotis] i still correspond. > as to other stars: > laurie anderson > rick wakeman > catherine deneuve > bruce labruce > richard carpenter, etc > > casual encounters: anne rice in an elevator; william hurt in the hamptons; > and my favorite one of all: cnn's jeanne moos in central park!!!!! [if you > don't know jeanne moos, you don't know what you're missing]. > > i also met and befriended the jmdl's only true celebrity: robert holliston. > > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:04:27 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity (njc) My brush was with Alec Baldwin (he was with one of Bobby Kennedy's sons) in Northampton MA. He was going to give a talk at Smith College. Really nice guy! Very genuine. Taller than I expected and had a big neck. Heather At 09:24 PM 10/3/01 -0400, Vince Lavieri wrote: >I am a long-time personal acquaintance of Nancy Faust, world's greatest >baseball organist, who plays for the Chicago White Sox. > >I have the complete official set of 2001 White Sox baseball cards given >to me by Lee Biddle, father of Rocky Biddle, White Sox pitcher (isn't >that a great baseball name, "Rocky Biddle"?). > >Jose deLeon's "lady friend" (not his wife) once almost ran me over >outside Comiskey park as she was driving way too fast to get Jose to >players entrance, for which he was already late. They both looked as if >they had had little sleep. DeLeon did not pitch that night. > >Tommy John asked me for a hymnal in a Methodist Church in 1970. I gave >it to him. He shared it with Sally, then his girlfriend, later (and >still?) his wife. > >Earl Averill III is the grandson of Earl Averill who is the baseball >Hall of Fame with the (hated) Cleveland team, and son of Earl Averill, >Jr., who played for both the minor league north side team in Chicago as >well as the Chicago White Sox. Earl and I had a contest to see which >one of us could push the other into a ditch. (We were both 5 or 6.) I >won. (He hit his head on a pipe and cut it open and everyone got very >angry with me, except Earl, because that was just a thing that happened, >no biggie to us. But did I get in trouble! Earl was my best bud until >his father was traded to the San Francisco Giants in 1961; I never saw >him again, damn it.) > >Glen Hobby pitched for the minor league north side team in Chicago in >the 1960s and I baby sat his son, personally pushing baby Hobby in my >metal car with the plate that fell off a Chicago trolley car. We also >stored the Hobby's groceries in our refrigerator when theirs failed. > >Jim Parque, White Sox pitcher, wanted to sign my hat at Tiger Stadium >(new one) in 2000 but I refused since it was a favorite hat and I would >never be able to wear it again if it became a collectable. I did let >him sign my scorebook and some other papers. Same day I also got >autographs from Paul Kornerko and Mike Sirotka. > >To those who think all my brushes with celebrity involve baseball: > >I am close personal friends with my grandson Gage who is not yet a world >celebrity but will be since he is already the brightest star that shines >in my galaxy. > >(the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity NJC Sammy Davis, Jr. came out of his room on the 2nd floor (of which he had rented the entirety) of a motel in Tempe, Arizona, to wish "happy holidays" to a small group of us who were swimming in the outdoor pool on Christmas eve, 1979. Because my acquaintance-type friend Debbie Garris of San Antonio was enough of a groupie to hang out near the backstage at so many Joan Armatrading concerts that she and Joan actually became good friends ... Debbie is an aspiring singer/songwriter and hairdresser who later had a gig cutting the hair of Joan's bandmembers ... and Joan gives Debbie a backstage pass to all shows of every U.S. tour (how cool is that???) ... I was able to meet Joan backstage at The Backyard in Austin, Texas, in 1995 (or was it '94?) ... Joan signed my ticket stub and the inside of my friend Joyce's cowboy boot. (Now THERE's an item for eBay!) As I worked indirectly for Ted Turner during my short time at the United Nations Foundation, I got to meet him and shake his hand on my 2nd day on the job. He's very obnoxious, but his heart's in the right place. That's it, I think. Oh wait, a cute actor from General Hospital did a little dance on my lap at Chippendale's in LA in late 1980 ... but really, who cares??? ; ) Lori in MD ~ NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:11:26 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: hello! << i'll most likely go off digest and be back in the fray again soon. i've missed you all and your near-daily presence in my life! >> Please hurry, Alison! I know I speak for a bunch of folks when I say that I MISS your near-daily presence in my life as well! :~) Bob NP: Steve Miller, "Serenade" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:11:45 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: food for thought NJC This is the best I've heard so far! Thanks Mags! Heather At 07:33 AM 10/4/01 -0400, Mags wrote: >this was sent by a friend... > >Killing Bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding >him prisoner will >inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his >release. Therefore, I suggest >we do neither. Instead, let the Special Forces, Seals >or whatever covertly capture him, >fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons >quickly perform a complete >sex change operation. Then we return HER to >Afghanistan to live as a woman >under the Taliban. > > >mags. > > > >-- >And this loving is a drawing close, >a tuning in, an opening. >Until one perfect moment; >but how can it be expressed? >A receiving, an enfolding >as I cradle you in my arms. >Within my heart, within my soul, >You are my true love. > > --Lui Collins > >--- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 19:23:14 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal NJC This article was not from The Wall Street Journal but rather from Judicial Watch, which tends to be a right-wing "watchdog" group which has filed many suits against Clinton, among others in the past few years. Please read carefully the actual article from the Wall Street Journal Online which I've posted below because you can only get it now by being a subscriber. Using the logic of Judical Watch, probably most of us here could be somehow construed as supporters of the Bin Laden family, whether it be through the companies we work for or the financial firms connected to our retirement and bak accounts, etc. Here is the original article from the WSJ. Kakki Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank By DANIEL GOLDEN, JAMES BANDLER and MARCUS WALKER Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. bin Laden's family. Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies. Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican Party. In recent years, former President Bush, ex-Secretary of State James Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the group's chairman. Osama is one of more than 50 children of Mohammed bin Laden, who built the family's $5 billion business, Saudi Binladin Group, largely with construction contracts from the Saudi government. Osama worked briefly in the business and is believed to have inherited as much as $50 million from his father in cash and stock, although he doesn't have access to the shares, a family spokesman says. Because his Saudi citizenship was revoked in 1994, Mr. bin Laden is ineligible to own assets in the kingdom, the spokesman added. The bin Laden family has long disavowed Osama, and has cooperated fully with several federal investigations into his activities. The family business, headed by Osama's half-brother Bakr, epitomizes the U.S.-Saudi alliance that the suspected terrorist often rails against. After the 1996 truck bombing in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 U.S. servicemen, Saudi Binladin Group built military barracks and airfields for U.S. troops. But the Federal Bureau of Investigation has issued subpoenas to banks used by the bin Laden family seeking records of family dealings, a person familiar with the matter said. This person said the subpoenas weren't an indication the FBI had found any suspicious behavior by the family. A family spokesman said he had no knowledge of the subpoenas but that the family welcomes them and has nothing to hide. People familiar with the family's finances say the bin Ladens do much of their banking with National Commercial Bank in Saudi Arabia and with the London branch of Deutsche Bank AG. They also use Citigroup Inc. and ABN Amro, the people said. "If there were ever any company closely connected to the U.S. and its presence in Saudi Arabia, it's the Saudi Binladin Group," says Charles Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington nonprofit concern that receives tens of thousands of dollars a year from the bin Laden family. "They're the establishment that Osama's trying to overthrow." Mr. Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf War, says he has spoken to two of Osama's brothers since hijacked airplanes rammed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. They told him, he says, that the FBI has been "remarkably sensitive, tactful and protective" of the family during the current crisis, recognizing its longstanding friendship with the U.S. A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said. But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again." The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any future investments by the bin Ladens. "The situation's changed now," he said. "I don't want to spend my life talking to reporters." A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November1998. Ms. Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. "He's met them twice." Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family in both 1998 and 1999, according to people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on telecommunications ventures. Former President Carter met with 10 of Osama's brothers early in 2000 on a fund-raising trip for the Carter Center in Atlanta. According to John Hardman, executive director of the center, the brothers told Mr. Carter that Osama was completely removed from the family. After Mr. Carter and his wife followed up with breakfast with Bakr bin Laden in New York in September 2000, the bin Laden family gave $200,000 to the center. "We don't have any reason to think there's a connection" between Osama and the rest of the family, Mr. Hardman says. During the past several years, the family's close ties to the Saudi royal family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher Forbes Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. secretary of defense in the Reagan administration. "We would call on them to get their view of the country and what would be of interest to investors." Mr. Weinberger said no trips to Saudi Arabia were planned. "If we went," he said, "we may or may not call upon them. I don't think the sins of the son should be visited on the father or the brother and the cousins and the aunts." There is no indication President George W. Bush has met any of the bin Ladens, but he was indirectly linked to one of them two decades ago. His longtime friend James W. Bath, who met Mr. Bush when they were both pilots in the Air National Guard, acted as a Texas business representative for Osama's older brother, Salem bin Laden, from 1976 to 1988, when Salem died in a plane crash. Mr. Bath brought real-estate acquisitions and other deals to Salem bin Laden, an ebullient man who headed the family construction business. Mr. Bath generally received a 5% interest as his fee, and was sometimes listed as a trustee in related corporate documents. Mr. Bath acknowledged that during the same period he invested $50,000 in two funds controlled by Mr. Bush but said that stake was unrelated to his dealings with Mr. bin Laden. Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath's recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston. But Mr. bin Laden's hope that it would develop a major overflow airport for Houston never materialized, in part due to concern over wetlands. Ever since his death, his estate has sought to sell the airfield -- without success. Today, it is still on the market. Write to Daniel Golden at dan.golden@wsj.com, James Bandler at james.bandler@wsj.com and Marcus Walker at marcus.walker@wsj.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:18:11 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: hello! Congratulations Alison !!! Best of luck to you! Heather At 03:16 PM 10/4/01 -0700, Alison E wrote: >hi guys, >i just wanted to send a quick note to let you all know >that i have a new job! yeeee-hawwww! >it was getting kinda scary, as i bought a car and had >no idea how i was going to make the payments, hee hee. >so, i am now the publicity director for a publishing >company here in utah (it's called Gibbs Smith, >Publisher) in kaysville, utah, actually. which is just >about 20 miles outside of salt lake. not a bad drive, >considering i just bought a lovely subaru wagon. so >anyway, from madison avenue to the podunk town of >kaysville, where (no shit!) sheep graze outside the >building. this is a small publishing firm that does >mostly interior design and architecture books, but >also does a fascinating array of other material on >nature, western literature, some fiction, some >non-fiction, kid's books and lots more. i am so >excited, and lucky, as the economy seems to be falling >in the toilet and i was looking into that mickey-d's >managing position ;-) >anyway, this looks to be a very promising and >interesting position with lots of opportunity for >growth and learning. i'm very excited. >i'll most likely go off digest and be back in the fray >again soon. i've missed you all and your near-daily >presence in my life! i'm still at alisone4@yahoo.com >if anyone wants to get in touch with me. >take care, all >alison >NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. >http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:26:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: 40s vs. 60s << I think this is all more about where you spend that first freedom of adulthood ... say between 18-28 give or take ... out of the house and on your own, making just enough money to keep the pad month-to-month and the beer cold. >> Don, I agree with you...rites of passage have a LOT to do with what music becomes special to you. That's why those "oldies" have had such a long life, so many college parties, etc. crank out the same old songs, Motown, "Louie Louie", et al., so as we age, we associate those songs with good times, even if the music itself is mediocre! Another factor is location. The 70's were peak for me, but I imagine if I had lived on the West Coast the 60's would have been hard to top! Bob NP: Steve Miller, "You Send Me" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:28:33 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: Wall Street Journal NJC Thanks Kakki. You are right .... degrees of separation can be surprising. Money does attract strange bedfellows though. Heather At 07:23 PM 10/4/01 -0700, Kakki wrote: >This article was not from The Wall Street Journal but rather from Judicial >Watch, which tends to be a right-wing "watchdog" group which has filed many >suits against Clinton, among others in the past few years. Please read >carefully the actual article from the Wall Street Journal Online which I've >posted below because you can only get it now by being a subscriber. Using >the logic of Judical Watch, probably most of us here could be somehow >construed as supporters of the Bin Laden family, whether it be through the >companies we work for or the financial firms connected to our retirement and >bak accounts, etc. Here is the original article from the WSJ. Kakki > >Bin Laden Family Could Profit From a Jump >In Defense Spending Due to Ties to U.S. Bank >By DANIEL GOLDEN, JAMES BANDLER and MARCUS WALKER >Staff Reporters of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL > > >If the U.S. boosts defense spending in its quest to stop Osama bin Laden's >alleged terrorist activities, there may be one unexpected beneficiary: Mr. >bin Laden's family. > >Among its far-flung business interests, the well-heeled Saudi Arabian >clan -- which says it is estranged from Osama -- is an investor in a fund >established by Carlyle Group, a well-connected Washington merchant bank >specializing in buyouts of defense and aerospace companies. > >Through this investment and its ties to Saudi royalty, the bin Laden family >has become acquainted with some of the biggest names in the Republican >Party. In recent years, former President Bush, ex-Secretary of State James >Baker and ex-Secretary of Defense Frank Carlucci have made the pilgrimage to >the bin Laden family's headquarters in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Mr. Bush makes >speeches on behalf of Carlyle Group and is senior adviser to its Asian >Partners fund, while Mr. Baker is its senior counselor. Mr. Carlucci is the >group's chairman. > >Osama is one of more than 50 children of Mohammed bin Laden, who built the >family's $5 billion business, Saudi Binladin Group, largely with >construction contracts from the Saudi government. Osama worked briefly in >the business and is believed to have inherited as much as $50 million from >his father in cash and stock, although he doesn't have access to the shares, >a family spokesman says. Because his Saudi citizenship was revoked in 1994, >Mr. bin Laden is ineligible to own assets in the kingdom, the spokesman >added. > >The bin Laden family has long disavowed Osama, and has cooperated fully with >several federal investigations into his activities. The family business, >headed by Osama's half-brother Bakr, epitomizes the U.S.-Saudi alliance that >the suspected terrorist often rails against. After the 1996 truck bombing in >Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, that killed 19 U.S. servicemen, Saudi Binladin Group >built military barracks and airfields for U.S. troops. > >But the Federal Bureau of Investigation has issued subpoenas to banks used >by the bin Laden family seeking records of family dealings, a person >familiar with the matter said. This person said the subpoenas weren't an >indication the FBI had found any suspicious behavior by the family. A family >spokesman said he had no knowledge of the subpoenas but that the family >welcomes them and has nothing to hide. > >People familiar with the family's finances say the bin Ladens do much of >their banking with National Commercial Bank in Saudi Arabia and with the >London branch of Deutsche Bank AG. They also use Citigroup Inc. and ABN >Amro, the people said. > >"If there were ever any company closely connected to the U.S. and its >presence in Saudi Arabia, it's the Saudi Binladin Group," says Charles >Freeman, president of the Middle East Policy Council, a Washington nonprofit >concern that receives tens of thousands of dollars a year from the bin Laden >family. "They're the establishment that Osama's trying to overthrow." > >Mr. Freeman, who served as U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia during the Gulf >War, says he has spoken to two of Osama's brothers since hijacked airplanes >rammed the World Trade Center and the Pentagon on Sept. 11. They told him, >he says, that the FBI has been "remarkably sensitive, tactful and >protective" of the family during the current crisis, recognizing its >longstanding friendship with the U.S. > >A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a >London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 >billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 >deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed >investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, >the Carlyle executive said. > >But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's >overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 >million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this >person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again." > >The Carlyle executive added that he would think twice before accepting any >future investments by the bin Ladens. "The situation's changed now," he >said. "I don't want to spend my life talking to reporters." > >A U.S. inquiry into bin Laden family business dealings could brush against >some big names associated with the U.S. government. Former President Bush >said through his chief of staff, Jean Becker, that he recalled only one >meeting with the bin Laden family, which took place in November1998. Ms. >Becker confirmed that there was a second meeting in January 2000, after >being read the ex-president's subsequent thank-you note. "President Bush >does not have a relationship with the bin Laden family," says Ms. Becker. >"He's met them twice." > >Mr. Baker visited the bin Laden family in both 1998 and 1999, according to >people close to the family. In the second trip, he traveled on a family >plane. Mr. Baker declined comment, as did Mr. Carlucci, a past chairman of >Nortel Networks Corp., which has partnered with Saudi Binladin Group on >telecommunications ventures. > >Former President Carter met with 10 of Osama's brothers early in 2000 on a >fund-raising trip for the Carter Center in Atlanta. According to John >Hardman, executive director of the center, the brothers told Mr. Carter that >Osama was completely removed from the family. After Mr. Carter and his wife >followed up with breakfast with Bakr bin Laden in New York in September >2000, the bin Laden family gave $200,000 to the center. "We don't have any >reason to think there's a connection" between Osama and the rest of the >family, Mr. Hardman says. > >During the past several years, the family's close ties to the Saudi royal >family prompted executives and staff from closely held New York publisher >Forbes Inc. to make two trips to the family headquarters, according to >Forbes Chairman Caspar Weinberger, a former U.S. secretary of defense in the >Reagan administration. "We would call on them to get their view of the >country and what would be of interest to investors." > >Mr. Weinberger said no trips to Saudi Arabia were planned. "If we went," he >said, "we may or may not call upon them. I don't think the sins of the son >should be visited on the father or the brother and the cousins and the >aunts." > >There is no indication President George W. Bush has met any of the bin >Ladens, but he was indirectly linked to one of them two decades ago. His >longtime friend James W. Bath, who met Mr. Bush when they were both pilots >in the Air National Guard, acted as a Texas business representative for >Osama's older brother, Salem bin Laden, from 1976 to 1988, when Salem died >in a plane crash. Mr. Bath brought real-estate acquisitions and other deals >to Salem bin Laden, an ebullient man who headed the family construction >business. Mr. Bath generally received a 5% interest as his fee, and was >sometimes listed as a trustee in related corporate documents. Mr. Bath >acknowledged that during the same period he invested $50,000 in two funds >controlled by Mr. Bush but said that stake was unrelated to his dealings >with Mr. bin Laden. > >Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath's >recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in >League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston. But Mr. bin Laden's hope that >it would develop a major overflow airport for Houston never materialized, in >part due to concern over wetlands. Ever since his death, his estate has >sought to sell the airfield -- without success. Today, it is still on the >market. > >Write to Daniel Golden at dan.golden@wsj.com, James Bandler at >james.bandler@wsj.com and Marcus Walker at marcus.walker@wsj.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:41:55 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: Mississippi (song) NJC Emily extolled: >i really love, and admire, this album. the second song >on the record is called "mississippi," and it is worth >the entire purchase alone. it's probably the best new >song i've listened to in a year. it's...bitter, hopeful, >heartbreaking, wistful, angry -- ummm, a lot of the things >that I AM, i'm just realizing... >please go listen to this song, i urge. Yes! I haven't heard Bob's version of this, but he wrote it and gave it to Sheryl Crow to put on her last album, the Globe Sessions. And she rocks it! It is one of my 3 favorite songs on that album. You should all go listen to Sheryl singing Mississippi. :) - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:40:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) << You either like him, or you don't. >> While that may be true, Jerry, some of his records are great and some of them are wretched. He runs the gamut. I was just wondering where this one placed with JMDLer's, whose opinions I trust. I too was a little disappointed with "Time Out Of Mind", so I was glad to hear that this one's a cut above. Bob NP: The Story, "The Perfect Crime" (From their first record, if you're a Jonatha fan and don't have this one, get it. 'Nuff said...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:46:41 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Lennon Tribute on TNT Now (NJC) Alert: The tribute to John Lennon is about to repeat on TNT at 11 p.m. Eastern. Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, one of them already curled up on the love seat waiting for the second party to the cuddle - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 22:54:24 -0400 From: Emily K Gray Subject: Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) bob wrote, <> yeah, it's weird; i own about 10 dylan CDs and i guess i've been pretty lucky because i think they are all fantastic and i can't imagine not having them in my life. but then again, i think i qualify as one of those "dylan likers" even though i suppose that's pretty rare around these parts. doesn't it seem like the joni people are in one camp, and the bob people in another? my loyalties fall squarely with JM, but i can't say i don't see just as much fire, talent and vision when i'm learning to listen to mr. dylan. i realize this is a thread we've done before but i just find it interesting that both of these artists are still out there, still writing (c'mon, joni!), and still doing their thing(s). and yet they don't seem to (overtly) acknowledge one another as influences, compatriots, or rivals. hmmm.... i think of joni as brazen and bold, willing to make her vulnerability part of music -- but dylan strikes me as ducking and feinting even from his own genius. OK -- this is clearly gone into rambling mode, so enough! - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 22:59:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) << doesn't it seem like the joni people are in one camp, and the bob people in another? >> Oh, I dunno, Em...the guy who started this JMDL thingy is pretty firmly in both camps! :~) Bob NP: The Story, "Dog Dreams" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:32:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: food for thought NJC MAGS! THIS is brilliant!!! I love this solution! Thank you. Killing Bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding him prisoner will inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release. Therefore, I suggest we do neither. Instead, let the Special Forces, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation. Then we return HER to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 20:32:51 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Brushes With Greatness(njc) * bob dylan most recent brush- today in the studio with Jeff Pevar who was putting some really fine guitar licks on Jeff Bisch's cd. what you don't know who he is? possibly the best guitar player in the world these days! he made me cry...true musical greatness with the most humble attitude... nicest celeb that you probably know- graham nash...he came up to ME & introduced himself at a party...many that guy is one class act...& what a good friend he has been to croz first brush- allen ginsberg...talked for hours about vietnam etc after one of his poetry readings i have never met joni...please someone, tell her to visit santa barbara, i will show her around & show her special mountain places & smoke cigs with her (her brand) ... not fair...jeff has met her in venice beach where he used to have a design studio & she had an art studio... bob dylan- i haven't listened to his record yet but jeff has it somewhere...i will give a listen & let you know what i think...i agree with whoever said on that joni,bob,van tour- BOB ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:02:48 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Janis NJC "and even though I know you and I could never find the kind of love we wanted together, alone I find myself missing you" "they ain't never gonna love you better babe and their never gonna love you right?=" "I know just how you feel" janis 31 years ago today. My baby, my friend, my janis. no one else has ever meant so much to me as she. 31 years ago today her essence left this earth. thanks vince. love, mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Lavieri" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 8:01 PM Subject: Janis NJC > As always, on this date I post a remembrance of Janis Joplin, 31 years > ago today and deeply missed. > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 00:08:30 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Brushes With Greatness(njc) In a message dated 10/4/01 10:52:45 PM, kate@katebennett.com writes: << most recent brush- today in the studio with Jeff Pevar who was putting some really fine guitar licks on Jeff Bisch's cd. (snip) true musical greatness with the most humble attitude...>> You're right, Kate, Jeff is a sweetheart. I met him several times many years ago when he used to be in a band out of New Haven called Eight to the Bar. My friend Haz, who sang a lot like Janis Joplin, used to sit in with the band when they played in Boston. He wouldn't remember me, but I'm sure he hasn't forgotten Haz. Poor Haz died about 10 years ago, but she was an incredible, colorful character. Congratulations to your Jeff on his new CD. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 00:28:05 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: shall we dance? NJC How about some Donna Summers tunes? Bad Girls (toot toot hey beep beep) or Last Dance? Almost any Motown tune. Jr. Walkers Shotgun, etc. Maybe Evian can help here with some suggestions for tunes from the 80's. You gotta admit .... there was some good dance music from the 80's. Heather At 03:33 AM 10/2/01 -0700, Robert Holliston wrote: >Folks, >Ashara has suggested a wonderful new venue for Jonifest 2002. There are so >many spaces and so much time available that I couldn't help but wonder: >could we take up some of that space and spend some of that time dancing? >I guess this is a suggestion for a thread: what would it take to get y'all >off your butts and onto the dance floor? >Here are some ideas. > >JAMES BROWN: Night Train; Papa's Got a Brand New Bag >CLYDE McPHATTER and the DRIFTERS: Ruby Baby >THE BEACH BOYS: I Get Around >"BIG" JOE TURNER: Shake, Rattle, and Roll; Corrina, Corrina >DORIS TROY: Just One Look >SMOKEY ROBINSON and the MIRACLES: I Second That Emotion >THE SUPREMES: Where Did Our Love Go? >RAY CHARLES: Lonely Avenue (for slow dancing......;-) > >Any other ideas? We could have ourselves some serious fun.... > >Roberto > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 00:52:24 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: brush with greatness HI all! I am so amazed at some of the names coming up on this thread- just great! WallyK, am most impressed with yours! Who I have met and chatted to: Eric Clapton in LA David Crosby Her Highness just this past weekend! Graham Nash Huey Lewis John Secada Mark Messier Jim Palmer Emmerson Fittapaldi Karl Lagerfeld Fabio!!! hee hee Jackson Browne Bruce Cockburn Carole Pope Pierre Trudeau Maggie Trudeau- not with Pierre- at a party! Marc Jordan Bridgette Fonda Patty Duke Austin Cicely Tyson Denis Piel- great photographer! Others I have met: Miles Davis- twice Rod Stewart- 3 times- yuck! Richard Avedon Sonny Liston Wayne Newton Louis Armstrong Charlie Watts Joe Clarke The guy from Supertramp- Ray Davis? Davies? waited on him in a store Glenn Clarke- former premier of BC Marc Lalonde, Jim Coutts- Shane content here!- campaigned for them! Bobby Darin- I was only 12! I am sure I am forgetting others- but I must tell you, none comes near the excitement and pleasure of chatting with Ms. Mitchell this past Saturday! love Stephen in Vancovuer NP: Simon and Garfunkle- live @ hollywood bowl- 1968 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:55:13 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: shall we dance? NJC ah, donna. now that brings it back. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruyere" To: "Robert Holliston" ; Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:28 PM Subject: Re: shall we dance? NJC > How about some Donna Summers tunes? Bad Girls (toot toot hey beep beep) or > Last Dance? > Almost any Motown tune. Jr. Walkers Shotgun, etc. > Maybe Evian can help here with some suggestions for tunes from the > 80's. You gotta admit .... there was some good dance music from the 80's. > > Heather > > At 03:33 AM 10/2/01 -0700, Robert Holliston wrote: > >Folks, > >Ashara has suggested a wonderful new venue for Jonifest 2002. There are so > >many spaces and so much time available that I couldn't help but wonder: > >could we take up some of that space and spend some of that time dancing? > >I guess this is a suggestion for a thread: what would it take to get y'all > >off your butts and onto the dance floor? > >Here are some ideas. > > > >JAMES BROWN: Night Train; Papa's Got a Brand New Bag > >CLYDE McPHATTER and the DRIFTERS: Ruby Baby > >THE BEACH BOYS: I Get Around > >"BIG" JOE TURNER: Shake, Rattle, and Roll; Corrina, Corrina > >DORIS TROY: Just One Look > >SMOKEY ROBINSON and the MIRACLES: I Second That Emotion > >THE SUPREMES: Where Did Our Love Go? > >RAY CHARLES: Lonely Avenue (for slow dancing......;-) > > > >Any other ideas? We could have ourselves some serious fun.... > > > >Roberto > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #461 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?