From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #460 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, October 4 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 460 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: October 4 [les@jmdl.com] Re: 40s vs. 60s [FredNow@aol.com] Re: 40s vs. 60s [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Marcel - NJC ["Marian" ] Re: Kevin Eubanks, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: desert island follow up, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Dar Williams and Ron Sexsmith (NJC) [Emily K Gray ] Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) [Emily K Gray ] John & Beverley Martin, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Closest Brush with Celebrity, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Closest Brush with Celebrity, NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: 40s vs. 60s [Jerry Notaro ] Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: More Jonifest Photos [Jerry Notaro ] Kakki's Story ["Steve Harper" ] Brushes With Greatness [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Brushes With Greatness ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] NJC - Welcome Back Vince, & "Music Therapy" in NYC ["Ron Greer" ] Re: food for thought NJC ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: closest brush with celebrity(njc) [Steve Polifka ] Re: 40s vs. 60s ["Kakki" ] Re: 40s vs. 60s ["Kakki" ] Re: 40s vs. 60s [Don Rowe ] Re: proposed Joni sighting in London [Gertus@aol.com] Re: John & Beverley Martin, NJC ["Paul Castle" ] hello! [Alison E ] Important petition (njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] (njc) Sam Elliot (swoon) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: hello! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Greggno (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) ["Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: >My take of when Joni said "There's lots about the 60's that is not >remembered" refers to the whole drug thing- and then the conversation went >the way of Bird, Fred Neil, Tim Hardin... all in her mind, tremendously >creative souls, but lost, blowing their creativity, except Bird, to the >ravages of drugs. Apparently there's also a lot about the 40s and 50s that's not remembered, either -- Bird died at 37 from the ravages of drugs. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 04:21:57 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s "Dolphie Bush" writes: >As the younger brother of a sister of the 60's and 13 myself when it ended >I have to say that it is indescribable and you all know what I mean but I >must also say that the 70's was a decade of a hell of a lot of great music, >I don't care what the critics say. The 70s are a much maligned decade, unjustly so. First of all, any decade in which an album like "Hejira" is made is a great decade. Secondly, I defy anyone to name any decade that didn't produce great music of some kind ... someone is always making some great music somehwere. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 10:28:33 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Marcel - NJC Dear Pat - Thank you for taking the time to explain what went on. I just wanted you to know that I am on digest so didn't see your message about Marcel until today, so when I replied to what Jimmy said, I wasn't responding in any way to what you had written. I guess what I'm trying to say is that my post seems very insensitive if read chronologically here in the digest after what you wrote. Anyway, I guess I kind of got a similar reply once from him to something I posted. It was a very long and well-reasoned reply explaining a completely other view - very logical. It felt too complicated to try to respond to to all of his arguments - I'm really not very good at things like that - so I just thanked him for trying to educate me, but that I was never going to change - that I am a die-hard liberal, ex-Catholic, and that I disagreed with practically everything he wrote, but that I thought we wanted the same outcomes, just that we thought a different approach was needed to achieve them. He didn't reply, but I felt he had understood what I said - that I could still like him even though I disagreed with him on just about all of the political/religious things he feels very strongly about. He didn't carry on trying to convince me of anything. That was my experience. I think the word "cyber-rapist" is really quite mean. Marcel doesn't see himself like this at all. I really believe that he had good intentions. I think on some level he is looking for connection and hoped to do that thru posting privately. Like maybe he felt his views were too extreme to post publically - that it would be too difficult to deal with all the flames - and maybe he thought the individuals to whom he posted privately were intelligent enough to be convinced of what he sees as truth and "the way". He was looking for friendship and understanding. I don't think he's a bad person. Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:25:28 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Kevin Eubanks, NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: John McLaughlin, NJC > We get to see and hear Kevin Eubanks five nights a week on the Jay Leno show. > He's also a nice, funny guy. What CD would you recommend? Hi Clark, Lucky you. We don't get Jay Leno in France. I saw Kevin live many times and couldn't get enough. He plays faster than his shadow, (not that speed alone matters.) He was kind enough to let me put my hands on the Abe Rivera custom guitar he had at the time, and that fingerboard was twice the width of any guitar I've ever seen! My favourites are his first 2 CDs: Jazz Guitarist and Opening Night. I'd love to get a video of Kevin, even Jay Leno segments, anything. Do you want to trade? I've got all his CDs. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:43:53 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: desert island follow up, NJC Steve wrote: > 1. Tanglewood Tree - Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer > 2. Revival - Gillian Welch > 3. Roses in the Snow - Emmylou Harris > 4. Arthur - The Kinks > 5. Hejira - you know who > 6. Workingman's Dead - GD > 7. Revolver - Beatles > 8. Highway 61 Revisited - The Bob > 9. Steve Gillette - Steve Gillette > 10. Moondance - The Van Man > > Kind of heavy on the '60s, eh? Hi Steve, Since I love the 60's and your selection, I was wondering if you could please tell me about the 3 artists I've never heard of: Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer, Gillian Welch and Steve Gillette. Thanks in advance Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 07:30:08 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: More Jonifest Photos Really some nice photos Pearl! Thank you Kakki :0) Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:33:48 -0400 From: Mags Subject: food for thought NJC this was sent by a friend... Killing Bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding him prisoner will inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his release. Therefore, I suggest we do neither. Instead, let the Special Forces, Seals or whatever covertly capture him, fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons quickly perform a complete sex change operation. Then we return HER to Afghanistan to live as a woman under the Taliban. mags. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:47:21 -0400 From: Emily K Gray Subject: Dar Williams and Ron Sexsmith (NJC) hi all. just wanted to give people in the NYC area the heads-up that tickets are available to the Dar Williams / Ron Sexsmith show at the Beacon this saturday night. and i got a couple! i'm really excited -- i've been a pretty big ron sexsmith fan for a while (i can't remember if i've posted about that here or not), and i've only recently started listening to dar williams (as per colin's instructions: thanks colin!). i like dar, like her prickliness and heart, but find her sometimes a touch too: precious. anyway, it's the first time i've been interested in music or should i say excited about music since 9/11. that's been a huge bummer, actually: a lot of my tried-and-true CDs have sounded flat, dull, numbed. but that's me these days, flat, dull, numbed... i'm hoping this singer-songwriter duo this weekend will inspire, soothe, bring healing -- best to all-- emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:53:35 -0400 From: Emily K Gray Subject: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) hi again. i just thought of some music that i HAVE been listening to -- bob dylan's newest, "love and theft." i bought it on 9/13, in need of something like solace, and have been playing it pretty regularly since. the guy at the sam goody's looked at it and said, "good god, we could use some bob dylan these days, huh." i really love, and admire, this album. the second song on the record is called "mississippi," and it is worth the entire purchase alone. it's probably the best new song i've listened to in a year. it's...bitter, hopeful, heartbreaking, wistful, angry -- ummm, a lot of the things that I AM, i'm just realizing... please go listen to this song, i urge. the rest is pretty great too -- i'm not the best at describing this stuff but i'd say that this is a record full of love for american music: blues, bluegrass, rock, folk. and the backing musicians are pretty amazing, giving bob a chance to match them, be challenged, have fun. i'm not sure if i've seen others' reviews of this here -- but i'm definitely interested if anyone else has been playing "love and theft." - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:40:27 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: John & Beverley Martin, NJC > From: "Paul Castle" < > I was trying to find a copy of John and Beverley Martyn's > album 'Stormbringer' today after seeing John Martyn on > several deserts. Hi Paul, I've got that Stormbringer album on vinyl. If I recall it was John's 1st album ever and IMHO quite disappointing for hardcore fans as we are. Let me know if you can't live without it. By the way, I've got a CD that looks like a Bootleg: Sweet Certain Surprise, live USA 70's + London 81 and it has the material from Solid Air, etc that you seem to like. I'd be happy to trade. As another lister pointed out, Live at Leeds is a must. I also recommend the Live in London circa 90 (2CDs) official release. My first John Martyn concerts were in France in 75 and 76, I was hooked from then on. Last time I went to London to see John Martyn about 4-5 years ago, there was a nice girl sitting next to me who had dragged her father to the show. She said to me: "If John weren't married I'd ask him to marry me". I had a ball. I'm ready to go to London again to see John live, since he no longer comes to France. If you have any info about upcoming concerts I'd appreciate it. Thanks Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:57:58 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Closest Brush with Celebrity, NJC A little futile exercise, but what the heck: Mick Jagger backstage at a Santana concert, Paris 75, signed an authograph. Omar Shariff sat next to me in a movie theater in Deauville. I waited on Mr. Hendricks' table (Lambert, Hendricks & Ross) while working in a restaurant in Paris in my student days. (He couldn't believe that a 19 year old French waiter knew who he was). Charles Bronson in a Beverly Hills restaurant. Phil Collins in a Beverly Hills clothing store (Armani). Bonnie Raitt in a L.A clothing store (Sacks SFO). Billy Wilder & James Stewart strolled through campus after lecturing at USC in L.A. David Crosby signed his autobiography in W. Hollywood. I came with an 80 year old friend and Croz gave me a look of complicity I'll never forget. Tzwetan Todorov (famous linguist) bought my parents' former condo. Marek Halter (famous writer) lives down the street, I pass him often. Catherine Lara (famous French singer) uses the same parking lot as I. Joni in a Santa Monica restaurant. What do you say to a celebrity you're not particularly fond of (e.g; Phil Collins)? Isn't it best to leave them alone, if you've got nothing meaningful to say? I'd love to hear the story about Cary Grant, though. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 14:14:07 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Closer than you think, NJC Yesterday, I asked one of my employees, a young Frenchman from Morrocan origin, what he thought about a TV report we saw regarding the upper middle class background of the 9/11 hijackers. He then told me that 2 years ago he was playing soccer and some Arabs from the U.K. invited the muslim members of the soccer team to a brunch at the local Mosque. These men spoke perfect arabic, french and english. After making the young men feel confortable, they offered to 4 of them who had a technical background, including my employee, to pay for their studies, to pay $2K monthly stipend, if they would spend 6 months in a school in Pakistan. My guy didn't want to go that far and they said that they also had schools in Egypt and Saudi Arabia. The men said they would be back in 1 week to let them think it over but at 11:30 pm the same day they showed up at his home and asked him what he had decided. He turned it down but one of his friends went there. This is nothing new but I'm in shock because I've known this man for 2 years and it happened "close to home". Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:39:44 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Closest Brush with Celebrity, NJC 1998- I was fortunate enough to meet Joni during her tour when she stopped in the Detroit area. Some details (and a pix of a VERY shocked fan-me) are at the JM website- under Appearances- 1998-Auburn Hills. What I didn't post there was how we Detroit JMDLers landed in the hotel restaurant with Joni and how we were able to chat with her for a bit, and offer her birthday goodies. Have also met Roy Lichtenstein for a signing, a few years before his death; Jonatha Brooke post concerts; Van Cliburn, about 30 years ago when he was practically a kid himself; the backside of Linda McCartney (finally gathered the nerve to meet Paul when he was staying at a friend's apt in NYC but chickened out till the last minute. They were getting into a limo); and tons of celeb sightings when I lived in NYC. But I did grow up in Motown- Marvin Gaye lived across the street from me, but I never saw him. Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:47:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s Kakki wrote: > Yeah Fred, I can't quite figure it out, either, except that maybe she was > TOO close to a lot of the making of it as it was happening. That, and Joni IS prone to making sweeping remarks. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:37:23 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) I loved this show...I thought Rufus was great (never seen him live...YUM!), and Cyndi Lauper's SFForever was another highlight. I've been a Lauper fan since time began, and I've really enjoyed her recent covers at tribute shows. The boot of her new album is good, too. One of her very best. I finally found an MP3 of her performance of "Carey" from the TNT Joni tribute last year...marvelous. It sounds great as loud as you can play it. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:48:44 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: More Jonifest Photos Kakki wrote: > Pearl has generously sent me some more great Jonifest photos to put on my > Photopoint site! Thanks Pearl! Come see more of the gang at the link below. > Kakki Thanks, Kakki. And Photopoint is so easy to use. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 09:59:30 -0400 From: "Steve Harper" Subject: Kakki's Story Would someone (Kakki? Bob? anybody?) please (pretty please?) repost or send directly to me Kakki's (long, I hope) story about her and Stephen's conversation with Joni? I'm fascinated, but I had deleted the digest before I knew! Thanks! Steve in Atlanta _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:09:33 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Brushes With Greatness In no particular order, I've had the good fortune to meet: Hank Ballard Bob Weir David Crosby Graham Nash Stephen Stills Neil Young David Grisman Roy Rogers (Delta blues guitarist) B. B. King Albert King C. J. Chenier Joni Mitchell Dan Hicks Hunter S. Thompson John Prine Champion Jack Dupree Joan Baez The Persuasions Pinetop Perkins And of course, all the talented folk at the various JoniFests I've attended. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:23:06 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Brushes With Greatness I've had quite a few in my lifetime (no Methuselah jokes, Muller) but one that had a profound effect on me was meeting Pete Seeger. I was about 19, very active in social causes and very anti war, and he was a big hero of mine. He came to Buffalo and as was his way, sang for practically free at a local high school auditorium with no fanfare or entourage. I was so in awe of his talent and charisma. He came out afterwards to meet us. I stood in line and had nothing for him to sign, so he signed my hand with a marker. It was there for days. 30 years later, he at 82 years of age and in poor health, showed up to perform for the Museum of American Folk Music benefit in NYC. I was there to see Judy Collins and was so surprised to see him perform. It had a great emotional impact on me that he cared so much to be there. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 07:56:11 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: closest brush with celebrity(njc) Bob wrote: >Bob, who after Joni would have to drop down to Kitty Carlisle level...(Nice >Kitty, Kitty...LOL!) Hey, I was at a party with Kitty Carlisle at the US consulate in Zagreb in '87. Honest! My dulcimer is a witness. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:00:12 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: NJC - Welcome Back Vince, & "Music Therapy" in NYC hi first off - welcome back vince - i tried sending you some mails asking you to reconsider, but couldnt get them to you (we've had major e-mail problems lately) & then ive attached a message i got from someone else on the mishelle shocked list: And this is from my sister  it touched me..... If this doesn't count as some form of music therapy, I don't know what does. -Dawn From William in New York ( 18 year old Juilliard student from Sarasota) Playing for the Fighting 69th Monday, Sept. 17 Yesterday I had probably the most incredible and moving experience of my life. Juilliard organized a quartet to go play at the Armory. The Armory is a huge military building where families of people missing from Tuesday's disaster go to wait for news of their loved ones. Entering the building was very difficult emotionally, because the entire building (the size of a city block) was covered with missing posters. Thousands of posters, spread out up to eight feet above the ground, each featuring a different, smiling, face. I made my way into the huge central room and found my Juilliard buddies. For two hours we sightread quartets (with only three people!), and I don't think I will soon forget the grief counselor from the Connecticut State Police who listened the entire time, or the woman who listened only to "Memory" from Cats, crying the whole time. At 7, the other two players had to leave; they had been playing at the Armory since 1 and simply couldn't play any more. I volunteered to stay and play solo, since I had just got there. I soon realized that the evening had just begun for me: a man in fatigues who introduced himself as Sergeant Major asked me if I'd mind playing for his soldiers as they came back from digging through the rubble at Ground Zero. Masseuses had volunteered to give his men massages, he said, and he didn't think anything would be more soothing than getting a massage and listening to violin music at the same time. So at 9:00 p.m., I headed up to the second floor as the first men were arriving. From then until 11:30, I played everything I could do for memory: Bach B Minor Partita, Tchaik. Concerto, Dvorak Concerto, Paganini Caprices 1 and 17, Vivaldi Winter and Spring, Theme from Schindler's List, Tchaik. Melodie, Meditation from Thais, Amazing Grace, My Country 'Tis of Thee, Turkey in the Straw, Bile Them Cabbages Down. Never have I played for a more grateful audience. Somehow it didn't matter that by the end, my intonation was shot and I had no bow control. I would have lost any competition I was playing in, but it didn't matter. The men would come up the stairs in full gear, remove their helmets, look at me, and smile. At 11:20, I was introduced to Col. Slack, head of the division. After thanking me, he said to his friends, "Boy, today was the toughest day yet. I made the mistake of going back into the pit, and I'll never do that again." Eager to hear a first-hand account, I asked, "What did you see?" He stopped, swallowed hard, and said, "What you'd expect to see." The Colonel stood there as I played a lengthy rendition of Amazing Grace which he claimed was the best he'd ever heard. By this time it was 11:30, and I didn't think I could play anymore. I asked Sergeant Major if it would be appropriate if I played the National Anthem. He shouted above the chaos of the milling soldiers to call them to attention, and I played the National Anthem as the 300 men of the 69th Division saluted an invisible flag. After shaking a few hands and packing up, I was prepared to leave when one of the privates accosted me and told me the Colonel wanted to see me again. He took me down to the War Room, but we couldn't find the Colonel, so he gave me a tour of the War Room. It turns !out that the division I played for is the Famous Fighting Sixty-Ninth, the most decorated division in the U.S. Army. He pointed out a letter from Abraham Lincoln offering his condolences after the Battle of Antietam...the 69th suffered the most casualties of any division at that historic battle. Finally, we located the Colonel. After thanking me again, he presented me with the coin of the regiment. "We only give these to someone who's done something special for the 69th," he informed me. He called over the division's historian to tell me the significance of all the symbols on the coin. As I rode the taxi back to Juilliard...free, of course, since taxi service is free in New York right now...I was numb. Not only was this evening the proudest I've ever felt to be an American, it was my most meaningful as a musician and a person as well. At Juilliard, kids are hypercritical of each other and very competitive. The teachers expect, and in most cases get, technical perfection. But this wasn't about that. The soldiers didn't care that I had so many memory slips I lost count. They didn't care that when I forgot how the second movement of the Tchaik. went, I had to come up with my own insipid improvisation until I somehow (and I still don't know how) got to a cadence. I've never seen a more appreciative audience, and I've never understood so fully what it means to communicate music to other people. And how did it change me as a person? Let's just say that, next time I want to get into a petty argument about whether Richter or Horowitz was better, I'll remember that when I asked the Colonel to describe the pit formed by the tumbling of the Towers, he couldn't. Words only go so far, and even music can only go a little further from there. Your friend, William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 08:10:35 -0700 From: "Bill O'Neill" Subject: Celebrity Sightings I've been lurking on the list for a couple of weeks and as a devoted fan of Joni for 34 years I really appreciate the correspondence. For over three decades I've worked in the television industry as camera operator, unit manager, producer, director and other jobs on my way up, down and back up in the "Biz". I worked with many actors, singers, writers, politicians and other celebrity types. In that business the "talent" we worked with were given respect and distance. I never called anyone by their first name unless invited to do so by the talent and asking for autographs was "verbotten". One of the things that a celeb usually traded for fame and fortune was personal privacy and although fans were expected to be "star struck" we in the business couldn't be, shouldn't be. Sometimes, no, many times the talent wanted to be treated just like one of the crew and so we did, but a friendly attitude didn't necessarily invite familiarity. For example, Debbie Reynolds might be familiar with you, even throw her arm around your shoulders, but don't ever try the same with her as a production assistant discovered when Ms Reynolds banished her from the set for assuming they were friends. While I never met Joni Mitchell I did see her in concert once in the mid-1980s. She was great in concert, and yet not very warm to her adoring audience. Seeing and hearing a genius at work was enough for me, I didn't need to feel loved, too. I'm not criticizing fans for acting like fans. Without them the celebs don't have a market and wouldn't be famous..... or working. Working with celebrities was often fun, could be a pain when they were primadonnas, and sometimes a real privilege when I worked with Gene Kelly, Bucky Fuller, Jimmy Stewart, Chuck Yeager, Roddy McDowell and the list goes on. Thanks for the fun here. Back to lurk mode. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 08:15:15 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: food for thought NJC Bin Laden the midwife? (ONLY career option for women over there) Somehow I got to get this to Bush....Cheney.....Powell! The final solution? Bree NP: Eva Cassidy....Autumn Leaves >From: Mags >Reply-To: Mags >To: "joni@smoe.org" >Subject: food for thought NJC >Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 07:33:48 -0400 > >this was sent by a friend... > >Killing Bin Laden will only create a martyr. Holding >him prisoner will >inspire his comrades to take hostages to demand his >release. Therefore, I suggest >we do neither. Instead, let the Special Forces, Seals >or whatever covertly capture him, >fly him to an undisclosed hospital and have surgeons >quickly perform a complete >sex change operation. Then we return HER to >Afghanistan to live as a woman >under the Taliban. > > >mags. > > > >-- >And this loving is a drawing close, >a tuning in, an opening. >Until one perfect moment; >but how can it be expressed? >A receiving, an enfolding >as I cradle you in my arms. >Within my heart, within my soul, >You are my true love. > > --Lui Collins > >--- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 10:16:53 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity(njc) Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 20:00:52 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity(njc) >I want to tell you Bob...you almost got me beat...but I think I >win...I >got to ride on the street car in Disneyland with Walt Disney. Well all, here's my tale... I bumped into -actually he bumped into me - Randy Bachman of BTO at the Holiday Inn in Chicago. He was in a grumpy mood that night- Sheesh! My friend was the food and beverage mgr. there summer 1975. In 1977, I met the guy who did the costumes for Kiss (before you were allowed to see them without make-up) and spent the weekend with him, got to see and meet Kiss (sans make-up) and sit in on a soundcheck, and go to the concert. MKE had a folk/coffe house that supported many famous musicians that came through town- Tom Rush, and Richard Thompson and a ton of others that I met and saw perform. I particularly liked James Lee Stanley. I met him several times and he always cracked me up, and was so friendly. In the late 80's when they filmed Major League in MKE, I met Corbin Bernsen and Charlie Sheen- they rented videos at the store I worked at part-time. I also met someone who was on the crew for the Blues Bros. movie, but he could not get me on the set. They mainly did the 'car flying off the freeway scenes' in MKE. But NONE of them par up to the goddess... LOL! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 11:39:48 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity NJC Les wrote: >>I ducked out of my Project office around 7.30am to the coffee shop next door. Given the early hour I was desparate for a caffiene kick. A long way from paying attention to what I was doing, I hurtled through the door to the shop only to collide full body with the very splendid Brendan Fraser<< Les, You lucky boy! That's a good story. Here's my 2 seconds: I once handed Rita Moreno a cocktail (rum and coke, I think) at a premiere party in NYC because it was too crowded and I was closer to the bar. When I was a kid, my dad was a physician. His practice was in rural Maine, and William Hurt brought his son in to the office one time. He accepted an invitation to the house for dinner, and came back a few months later with his son and Marlee Matlin (whom he was dating at the time). They had both just finished "Children of a Lesser God", which she later won an Oscar for. We played baseball, rode the tractor, and the best line of the day was from my mother: when asked by WHurt if she would pass the guacamole, she replied "Get it yourself. Nobody's a movie star in my house!" Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:04:09 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Brushes With Greatness(njc) > I've had quite a few in my lifetime (no Methuselah jokes, Muller) but > one that had a profound effect on me was meeting Pete Seeger. My friend Steve was at a music festival square dancing...one of the partners was Pete Seeger's brother, Mike. Apparently, Steve screwed up the sqaure somehow and managed to piss him off. This is the same friend who when he was a stage manager at my college, almost told Stanley Jordan to get lost, earlier in the day before his performance, as he had happened to walk on stage and began playing the piano. Fortunately, he thought better of it. Victor in Athens Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:16:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Your best guess still needed! Don't forget to get your guesses in for your free copy of covers #22...I don't care where you live, all costs are on me! Just tell me a Joni song-album combo... I'll cut the competition off Friday at midnight. Bob NP: Yes, "Close to the Edge" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:18:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) <> Thanks for the review, Emily...I almost picked it up last night, but I'm sorta waiting to see what my fellow listers are saying about it. So if you have an opinion, speak up! Plus, I'm digging the new Ben Folds disc so much I haven't thought about snagging more new stuff... Bob NP: Yes, "And You & I" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 12:25:04 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < here -- but i'm definitely interested if anyone else has > been playing "love and theft.">> > > Thanks for the review, Emily...I almost picked it up last night, but I'm sorta waiting to see what my fellow listers are saying about it. So if you have an opinion, speak up! I've read all the reviews. They range from Manna from Heaven to he faxed it in. Typical. You either like him, or you don't. I've always respected his song writing, but not his performing. I saw his Rolling Thunder Review and it was ok, but I was really there to see Joni. But his "98 tour performance was one of the great rock and roll concerts with one of the best bands I had eve seen. Go figure...... Jerry np: Gillian Welch - Dusty Boxcars ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:27:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?David=20Shannon?= Subject: Can help me out here? I'm a long-standing Joni fan who's newly joined the list and would dearly love to get a copies of the CD Tree 1 and 2 and the Video Tree 1. Can help me out here? Maybe I have something in my collection to offer in return. With thanks. - -Dave Shannon Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:39:34 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc)Re: Closest brushes, and oops (nice, kitty, kitty) Hi, all, First, my apologies for having what we call in my family call a "brain fart" and assuming that the picture of the cat I sent yesterday would get posted. It had the caption of something like "While the Mom's away" and I pondered whether Joni knew what her cats were up to while she was on tour, or some such. Anyone who'd like to see the cat picture, e-mail off list, and I'll happily send it to you. Close brushes: (1)Got to talk with Dionne Warwick for about five minutes or so by virtue of the fact that I was first in line for an album signing at a K-Mart in Warwick, RI (my home town); this was back in the '70's sometime. She had a cold and apologized to me for having been advise by her doctor not to talk much if she wanted to sing that night. She was pleased that I had both her current album (Just Being Myself, which would put this around '72) and her first album from '62. (2) Got to very briefly meet and shake hands with Muhammed Ali; I lived two blocks away from him in Chicago in '78-'79. (3) Briefly met Joan Rivers in '77 when she gave a talk at University of Chicago -- really it was a promotion of her funny but flawed "Rabbit Test" movie. (4) Just a few weeks ago, I got to see Rita Moreno perform (from the first row -- she was six feet away!). At nearly seventy, she looks great and is still in fine voice. She shook everyone's hand after the show, signed copies of her new (and apparently first!) and I got to talk with her son-in-law for about five minutes as well. What a lovely lady. Walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 14:05:02 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) I've always been a Dylan fan. Even before I started seriously listing to Joni. When "Time Out Of Mind" came out I heard how great it was supposed to be and like a fool ran out and bought the damned thing. I was horribly disappointed with it. I don't mind Dylan doing the blues but this is simply a CD of complaining. It's dull and dark and boring. I was extremely doubtful when I heard his new CD being hyped and would be damned if I wasted my money again before I heard the CD. Thank god for all the mp3 download programs. I downloaded the whole thing and I must say this is so much better than his last CD. It's light with interesting instrumentation and stylistically quite varied. His voice is not as good as it used to be (some of you might find that funny) but for me this didn't seem to matter. It even seems to add to it in some strange course way. Anyway, don't take my word for it. Download it yourself with one of the various mp3 programs and decide for yourself. Then by it. Ken Emily K Gray wrote: > hi again. i just thought of some music that i HAVE been > listening to -- bob dylan's newest, "love and theft." > i bought it on 9/13, in need of something like solace, > and have been playing it pretty regularly since. the > guy at the sam goody's looked at it and said, "good > god, we could use some bob dylan these days, huh." > > i really love, and admire, this album. the second song > on the record is called "mississippi," and it is worth > the entire purchase alone. it's probably the best new > song i've listened to in a year. it's...bitter, hopeful, > heartbreaking, wistful, angry -- ummm, a lot of the things > that I AM, i'm just realizing... > please go listen to this song, i urge. > > the rest is pretty great too -- i'm not the best at > describing this stuff but i'd say that this is a record > full of love for american music: blues, bluegrass, rock, > folk. and the backing musicians are pretty amazing, > giving bob a chance to match them, be challenged, have > fun. > > i'm not sure if i've seen others' reviews of this > here -- but i'm definitely interested if anyone else has > been playing "love and theft." > > --emily ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 12:56:17 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s Fred wrote: > The 70s are a much maligned decade, unjustly so. Because some of us were so spoiled by the 60s ;-D just kidding! >First of all, any decade in which an album like "Hejira" is >made is a great decade. My favorite Joni albums were all from the 70s! But it's funny - I think a lot of people don't necessarily think of it from a strictly chronological point, maybe more of an emotional, historical or aural perspective. Like the "60s" music to me is divided into two parts - early 60s was from around 1958 to 1963 and then *the* 60s music which went from around 1964 to 1974! 70s music to my ears was a shorter period - 1974 to 1978, when the 80s music started ;-) 80s music seemed in two parts, too. And so on. Certainly every decade has produced amazing music! It just seemed that in the "60s" so much good stuff blossomed forth at such a prolific rate, AND we got to hear just about most of it all over the radio back then, in stark and dismal contrast to today's Brave New World of Clear Channel and the like. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:04:55 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s > and Joni IS prone to making sweeping remarks. And that's what makes her so loveable - she's just like a lot of us ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 13:21:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: 40s vs. 60s I think this is all more about where you spend that first freedom of adulthood ... say between 18-28 give or take ... out of the house and on your own, making just enough money to keep the pad month-to-month and the beer cold. Lots of friends, no serious attachments, income tax refunds you could set your watch by, dancing or clubbing, or otherwise late nights filled with flocks of friends, and to one degree or another, indulging in the "harmless recreational substances" (first bourbon & cigarettes, then grass & LSD, then coke, then ecstacy ...)of the day. And the music that's playing during those years becomes the soundtrack of your memory ... be it Glen Miller/Tommy Dorsey, Elvis/Chuck/Chubby/Buddy, The Beatles/Dylan/Doors, Pink Floyd/Eagles/Fleetwood Mac, Prince/Madonna/Michael Jackson ... and since the '60s - -- of course Joni. At least, I think that's why I dig the Joni I do ... along with most of the other stuff in my collection. Of course, I've also just recently returned from my 20th High School Reunion ... where I discovered to my delight that I can still hang out with the best of 'em. So forgive me if the nostalgia here has crossed over into the maudlin! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 17:26:44 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: proposed Joni sighting in London From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Saturday w/JM- my report "Stephen Epstein" wrote: <> First of all thanks Stephen and Kakki for the wonderful report. For all UK and European listers, this could be our opportunity to get some sort of connection with Joni. Apparently she'll be in London in November, maybe we could hang around some grill or cafe bar waiting for her to turn up. Problem is: there are thousands of cafes in London... Any ideas? Raffaele What we need is a contact in the London Philharmonic Orchestra who can tip us off. I'm working on this but it's a long shot. We mustn't miss this opportunity! Maybe Kakki and Stephen could come over and show us the kind of restaurant Joni would choose. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 23:13:25 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: John & Beverley Martin, NJC Laurent wrote: > I've got that Stormbringer album on vinyl. If I recall it was John's 1st > album ever and IMHO quite disappointing for hardcore fans as we are. As a teenager I went regularly to a couple of local folk clubs in my hometown of Oxford. A UK folksinger, Derek Brimstone, came through quite regularly and he used to do this song called 'Fairy Tale Lullabye' written by a young Scottish guitarist named John Martyn. I liked the song, so next chance, I caught a train to London to see him play - at a college gig in Leicester Square. He had released his first album, 'London Conversation' and his second, 'The Tumbler', was just about to be released. At the time he'd just got back from Woodstock in the US where he'd been recording early tracks for 'Stormbringer' with Levon Helm and others. I could not believe his guitar playing - - -knuckledy crunch and slippledee-slee --and after, when I met him in the corridor, he ended up teasing me mercilessly when I asked him if he knew where the bog was. "THE BOG!!!", he bellowed in his then broad Scottish accent and curly hair - I was not long out of school and I blushed easily (haven't ever called it the bog since). I never saw him with Beverley, but loving both his first two solo albums, I welcomed her warm voice and feel, with his brilliant guitar style - and still really rate 'Stormbringer' - and not just for the happy memories it conjours up - especially his song, 'Woodstock' (no relation) I've seen John solo several times since then - some way too scary for a family list - most recently in a field in Suffolk a couple of years ago at a festival - he was doing his funky stuff and singing like a sax solo. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 15:16:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: hello! hi guys, i just wanted to send a quick note to let you all know that i have a new job! yeeee-hawwww! it was getting kinda scary, as i bought a car and had no idea how i was going to make the payments, hee hee. so, i am now the publicity director for a publishing company here in utah (it's called Gibbs Smith, Publisher) in kaysville, utah, actually. which is just about 20 miles outside of salt lake. not a bad drive, considering i just bought a lovely subaru wagon. so anyway, from madison avenue to the podunk town of kaysville, where (no shit!) sheep graze outside the building. this is a small publishing firm that does mostly interior design and architecture books, but also does a fascinating array of other material on nature, western literature, some fiction, some non-fiction, kid's books and lots more. i am so excited, and lucky, as the economy seems to be falling in the toilet and i was looking into that mickey-d's managing position ;-) anyway, this looks to be a very promising and interesting position with lots of opportunity for growth and learning. i'm very excited. i'll most likely go off digest and be back in the fray again soon. i've missed you all and your near-daily presence in my life! i'm still at alisone4@yahoo.com if anyone wants to get in touch with me. take care, all alison NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:19:56 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Important petition (njc) Hi, all, A dear friend sent me a petition that's apprently being circulated widely, expressing outrage at the horrifying treatment of women under the Taliban regime. It was too long to post to the list, but PLEASE if you're interested, drop me a line off-list, and I'll send it to you to consider signing it and sending it on. Thanks, and I hope no one objects to my posting this here. peace and love, walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:22:37 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) Sam Elliot (swoon) Shane, Sam Elliot has always been my #1 heartthrob (he still looks wonderful at, what, 60?); reading that wonderful story about how sweet he is just makes my heart grow fonder... thanks, walt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 18:34:59 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: hello! In a message dated 10/4/01 6:18:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: > i just wanted to send a quick note to let you all know > that i have a new job! yeeee-hawwww! > it was getting kinda scary, as i bought a car and had > no idea how i was going to make the payments, hee hee. > That's super Ali!!! New car? goin to see greggno tonight with Nikki :0) Miss you terribly rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 00:06:36 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Greggno (NJC) Rose wrote: >goin to see greggno tonight with Nikki I was on the Folktrain with Gregg going to Vancouver back in February - we were the last two left at the end of the on-board Jonifest, about three hours after our midnight stop in "Saskatoooooon!". Please pass on my best and ask him to sing his song "The View From Here" - for all folktrain jonifesters. Such a great song, I reckon. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2001 18:42:02 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Dylan's "Love and Theft" (NJC) I love this CD. I think it is fabulous. I can not sit still while playing it. :) Peace.......Sharon NLT: Bob Dylan "Cry A While" from Love And Theft Emily K Gray wrote: > > hi again. i just thought of some music that i HAVE been > listening to -- bob dylan's newest, "love and theft." > i bought it on 9/13, in need of something like solace, > and have been playing it pretty regularly since. the > guy at the sam goody's looked at it and said, "good > god, we could use some bob dylan these days, huh." > > i really love, and admire, this album. the second song > on the record is called "mississippi," and it is worth > the entire purchase alone. it's probably the best new > song i've listened to in a year. it's...bitter, hopeful, > heartbreaking, wistful, angry -- ummm, a lot of the things > that I AM, i'm just realizing... > please go listen to this song, i urge. > > the rest is pretty great too -- i'm not the best at > describing this stuff but i'd say that this is a record > full of love for american music: blues, bluegrass, rock, > folk. and the backing musicians are pretty amazing, > giving bob a chance to match them, be challenged, have > fun. > > i'm not sure if i've seen others' reviews of this > here -- but i'm definitely interested if anyone else has > been playing "love and theft." > > --emily ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #460 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?