From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #458 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 458 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re:John and Beverley Martyn NJC [pyramus@lineone.net] Marcel - NJC [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: Morning Notes - NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Morning Notes - NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Desert island 10 (NJC) [] Colin - NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Thanks to JMDL NJC [slarty ] Re: Joni's New Project- Fantasies [Jerry Notaro ] NJC Re: Some Smokin' Jazz & a Diva in the Making - The Clayton Brothers Quintet & Jane Monheit at Jazz Alley NJC [] Re: Marcel, NJC [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Morning Notes - NJC [Bruyere ] Re: Marcel!!!!!! NJC ["Marian" ] Re: njc, wish Anne well ! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Desert island 10 (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] New Joni Biography [FPratts@seba.com] welcome home njc [Steve Dulson ] Tony Blair (njc) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Tony Blair (njc) ["J. R. Mills" ] We've got 12! NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] While the mom's away, the cat(s) will play...(sjc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Shadows and Light, The Definitive Biography How 2 Order ["blonde in the b] Re: Tony Blair (njc) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Wall Street Journal NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Kevin Eubanks, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: desert island follow up, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] closest brush with celebrity ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: closest brush with celebrity ["Sybil Skelton" ] Re: closest brush with celebrity [jan ] Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: closest brush with celebrity [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: closest brush with celebrity NJC ["Leslie Ross" ] Re: Desert island 10 (NJC) ["Kakki" ] (njc) bad pun -- sorry [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: closest brush with celebrity ["Dolphie Bush" > Big Muff is a track from his album 'One World', one of my favourites. It's six minutes and twenty five seconds of controlled genius. Big Muff is actually a drugs dealer. "Big Muff, get away with your powder stuff..Lord you're trying to kill me." <> Again I didn't know this. There are many versions of 'Solid Air'(Martyn releases many of his own live albums). My favourite is from 'Live at Leeds'. Kevin N.P. John Martyn 'Big Muff' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 06:13:41 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Marcel - NJC I started a post a few days ago that relayed my experience with Marcel...then deleted it and sent the laundry list of people I'd like to have sex with since that was more fun and seemed more healthy. Jimmy posted a call for Marcel and I think now I will say what my experience was that makes me feel the way I do. There are many issues I agree with Marcel on. I voted for Bush and said so on the list and lived with the badgering of some Bush haters for a few months. Marcel was very active during that time posting articles and what not. One day I posted something about no longer being Roman Catholic and he sent me a private post. It said that I was stupid. He had certain phrases in there like....'your choice reflects your limitations as a thinker'....'you obviously don't have a clue toward reality'....'you're probably a democrat which would explain everything'....and one i'll never forget...'that's the most rediculous thing anyone's ever said and you have no idea what you are talking about' Well, I lived in a Roman Catholic monastary for three years and I think I do have some idea about what I was talking about. The thing is, I didn't want to have that conversation with him. He sent his post to me, and I replyed because I try to be nice to people and he'd dissect my replys line by line, and then attack my thoughts with passion and insult. All along, I felt it was because he could not reconcile that we could agree on some issues of politics, but not of faith. And therefore, he had to prove to me that I was wrong because he couldn't live with that tension of differing views. I was left feeling that Marcel was intensly competitive and secretive. The whole off list thing was weird. It was fast. I'd spend a day thinking about something and post him and with in three minutes, he'd dissect it and send it back with degrading commentary. Finally, I just stopped all correspondance because he was unable to let me be. Like who really gives a fuck where I go to church anyway? And I was being forced to justify my choice, which I was not questioning. I mean, what's the big deal. Maybe I'm wrong and should be Catholic. I don't know. I just know i feel better where I am. It's that simple for me. But not for Marcel. I saw at least 4 people all ask Marcel not to post to them off list. I saw one person say that he would tear up their posts line by line and cut them down to shreads. This!!!! was my exact experience. And, I'm capable of defending my opinions pretty well. I can just imagine that some people are not so quick to defend themselves and left feeling really really frightened. So I concluded that he had some weird edge going on that made him this dark modem figure. Then Patrick L. labled it...cyber rapist. I still think that's the best phrase I've heard to describe what I experienced, regardless of what stigma that lable carries with it. I was left feeling attacked. I felt he was arrogant and forceful of his opinions and when I didn't accept them, he had to call me stupid to justify my differing views. I've been on the list since '96 and I've never felt that way with any other lister. I love the Catholic church, even though I don't go there. And there are times in the last week when I thought...oh Marcel would have a field day with that post. Especially over the flag stuff lately and the anti war stuff. I know he would be totally at a loss over the attacks and would have presented a better counter to Ric's post and some others that to me, seemed to forget totally about the 6000 dead bodies burried in NYC and the continued threat we live with. But at the same time, I experienced something with him that I've never experienced with any other lister and I can't explain it any better than that. Maybe his time off list is helpful for him to rethink how he approaches people and that his thoughts are not the only right ones. I know many people have met him and love him. And Jimmy is absolutely the sweetest man and his thoughts mean alot to me. But at the same time, I know I saw something there that was definately troubling. And I wish I didn't. Really. pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:07:54 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Morning Notes - NJC In a message dated 10/02/2001 11:11:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << mary, i have the impression that you stopped liking me some time ago, and i don't blame you. but i still like you and think of you very often. and this is from someone that likes fewer and fewer people everyday! >> Hello? Wally? Didja notice that I called the post "morning notes," not "Moron Notes?" (:-D <<>> WHY would I possibly stopped liking you? You were one of the main reasons why I WANTED to go to Ashara's this year. Mr. Wallet was one of the main reasons why I did not go. Mr. Wallet, not Mr. Wally. I'll email you privately, too, but please you and the ENTIRE list shall know: - ---musicial introduction please: "I'll never STOP....loooooooooooovvvvvvvvvvvvvvvving youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. MG - wondering if her coffee is ready yet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:11:31 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Morning Notes - NJC In a message dated 10/02/2001 11:08:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jrmills@pacbell.net writes: <> Is this really the place to get a straight answer? MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:50:45 +0100 From: Subject: Re: Desert island 10 (NJC) > 3. Roses in the Snow - Emmylou Harris That's a great record that I'd forgotten about. That and Peices Of The Sky are my fave Emmylous. > > Kind of heavy on the '60s, eh? Well personally, I think the 30's and 40's was the best time for music.:) Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:53:14 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Colin - NJC I'm here this morning as an Official Representative of Colin. And no, I am not also selling Avon so send those requests for Tickle Me Peach Foundation Coverage to someone else. Colin would like me to let you know that he is feeling rather ill. Rest assured, it is not life threatening, per se, but he needs to focus his energies on taking care of himself right now and that is not leaving anything left over for his usual thought provoking and/or mischievous contributions to the list. As well, please don't be offended or hurt if he does not respond to your private mail right now although I know that your good thoughts have touched him. He's a great guy, I love him and know that we will all look forward to having him back soon. Thanks gang, MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:14:22 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Thanks to JMDL NJC Just as luck would have it my night off was last night and just happened to have Letterman on and before my wife had a chance to flip it off (she's no fan of D.L.) they announced Sarah Harmer, who we both love, was going to be on the show. I had never heard of S.H. since I don't listen much to the current music on the radio but someone on the JMDL, possibly Catherine, mentioned her in a post a while back Gave her a listen and fell in love. Thanks whoever it was who recommended her. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:32:56 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's New Project- Fantasies Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Hello All > > I was just thinking about > > wouldn't it be fantastic if Joni would consider doing Slouching Towards > Bethlehem with the orchestra? I can imagine a wall of percussion and this > outlandish, I dunno, bombastic (for the want of a better word...) brass and > this swirling strings section and of course, soaring all over this, would be > Joni's voice, raging and raging... Jamie, I hope you have a copy of the '98 tour. Joni's live version of Slouching is spectacular. Jerry np: Alicia Keys - Why Don't U Call Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:50:20 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > Is anyone watching this tribute on TNT? It's very good.the songs are > so moving and inspirational. I thought it was wonderfully done. The restraint on these shows because of the tragedy is welcome relief. I especially liked Rufus, Moby, and Sean singing one of my favorite Beatles' song Across the Universe, and Cyndi Lauper's very moving Strawberry Fields Forever. Most disappointing was Dave Matthew's' In My Life. If only they had asked Bette! Jerry np: Carole King - Love Makes the World ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:52:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Some Smokin' Jazz & a Diva in the Making - The Clayton Brothers Quintet & Jane Monheit at Jazz Alley NJC <> PROBABLY not, if she retains this kind of attitude towards those who buy her CD's! Thanks as always for the GREAT review, Mark. Although THIS time, I wasn't surprised to see it! (Private joke to Mark...) ;~) Bob NP: New Macy Gray ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:02:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Marcel, NJC FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > I haven't been able to get this subject off of my mind, but despite what > people want to say to me, Marcel belongs here. He and I have entirely > different views about so many things, but he always makes me think about > things. He's given so much to the JMDL, and I'm finally speaking up to all > of you. He his a good man, and I wish more than anything.................he > would return. Sorry, Jimmy. Can't let this one go by. Marcel was not unsubbed for his views, but for his behavior. In a common social venture there are always rules to follow. If you don't, then you leave, whether on your own, or not. You obviously were never the personal target of his vitriol. You know Les. He would have never done what he had done without serious thought and reason. Let's not let his decision be any more difficult than it already was. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 09:42:52 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: RE: Morning Notes - NJC Thank you for re-posting this Patrick. As always (to me anyhow) MG comes shining through with clarity of thought laced with that lilt of humor that we all need to lighten our sometimes heavy loads. Happy Wednesday to everyone... Heather At 10:23 PM 10/2/01 -0400, patrick leader wrote: >mary grace, i love you. i loved this post (Morning Notes - NJC = Thursday, >September 27, 2001 7:02 AM) it goes into my permanent archive, along with >other remarkable posts you've written. > >i'm not writing this because you needed to hear it. i think everyone here >should know by now, mg does not need validation to feel comfortable in her >opinions. it's something we all could learn. i'm just writing it, and >including the whole post, because i think it's worth rereading by everyone, >i mean everyone, on this list. > >i'm super happy that vince is back with us, but i thought the "no one >posted, so no one cared" stance was childish, and completely separated from >the reality of an email discussion list. i think even vince is a little >embarassed. if it's any consolation, vince, you weren't the first person to >make that rant. and i am truly happy you are among us. > >i have had some negative responses to some of the other posts, on vince's >departure and appropriate topics and appropriate listers in this stressful >time. but i think i'll reserve them. mary grace's example is really >important to me here... > >patrick > >john adams - el niqo > > >----- > >I could have been watching Fox's Love Cruise last night but instead I sat >in >my chair and thought about the list and the current rash of leavers as well >as Ashara's eloquent post for calm, Brian's comments on list angst and Mark >Scott's good post from the last digest. And I'm seeing people not posting >anything about it, which is fine and I'm seeing people like Marian and Mags >feeling bad that they didn't stick up for Vince sooner as well as people >saying "it's your choice. Hope you come back soon." Plus some snide >comments, >(which Mags handled rather well!). > >Sounds like a normal community to me. > >But what is it about the JMDL community that gets so passionate so fast? On >the WeCount! accounting list, we've nearly come to blows over straight-line >depreciation but never with such gusto, never with such hurt feelings, >perceived insults, straight out insults, injured silences. Why the >difference? > >And I think that the key word is "community." Some call it a "family." >Passions run high in places like that and the JMDL gets further complicated >by the fact that it is electronic based, 300+ strong with varying degrees of >participation, response time, communication skills and more. > >When I post, I have no idea if Ashara is having a bad day because she can't >figure out just why she's found gristle in her lentil burger or if, 8 months >down the road, a breeze brings a whiff of construction dust to Debra Shea >and >she spends a traumatized day reliving the events of September 11th or if >someone else is tearing their hair out over the Smurf controversy: does that >title go to Bob S'murphy or Bob S'muller. Who gives a schmit? > >My point is, passions can spark from the mundane to the profound to >everything in between and learning how to live with "electronic" >relationships is new to nearly everyone. > >For myself, I know that I cannot deny the bond that I feel with some of the >list members, a few of whom I've never met and yet considered myself very >close to them! How do I make sure that these bonds don't jeopardize my >"real >life" relationships and how do I nurture and strength these bonds? All the >while having to get up, make coffee, go to work, do laundry and more. > >For myself, I have read posts on the list that have made me feel sad or have >made me feel a real part of things or have made me feel horribly excluded. >I've felt angry! Jealous! Educated! Uplifted! And all this sitting in this >corner of my bedroom. Unbelievable. > >And for everyone who gets tears streaming down their faces as they respond >to >something or recount thoughts, there is someone else who isn't as affected. >For everyone who forgets to list "The 1969 Miracle Mets Commemorative Album" >as one of their island picks, there's someone else sighing heavily in the >background thinking: "sheesh!" For everyone who skips over a thread as being >of no consequence, there's someone else who really gets hurt. > >The comparison of reactions can go on and on. And I guess the point that >sticks out the most to me is why didn't they vote Andrea off the Love Cruise >boat instead of Laura? > >Wait! NO! The point that sticks out the most to me is what a learning >experience this is and how much we have to learn in terms of interacting >with >each other. > >And I think that moratoriums on "stressful" subjects during times like these >isn't the total answer, because to someone out there, everyday is "times >like >these" and every thread can be "stressful." > >I think that another thing to try is the old English 101 technique of write, >take a break, then edit. Even with this post, I've gone back, edited out the >dull parts, (hard to believe, huh?), rewrote lines that, after a cup of >coffee, I thought might be construed the wrong way. Every time I DON'T >follow >that, I post something stoopid. > >I hope that we do not lose any more good people, I hope that we get back the >ones that we did. I hope that we never stop growing. > >MG > >And hey! Mary the Newbie! Where's your post? Get it in there gal! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:03:47 +0100 From: "Marian" Subject: Re: Marcel!!!!!! NJC Hope you had a wonderful birthday, Marcel! Hope you will get reinstated into JMDL! Love, Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:59:30 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: njc, wish Anne well ! In a message dated 10/3/2001 1:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > wasn't bob muller supposed to be the phone guy? is it ashara now? > I was afraid that Jim's post would be confusing. Yes, Bob Muller is definitely the one taking the phone calls, mp3's, and tapes. Not me!!!! Thanks Wally for asking for clarification! For more information, or questions, please contact Bob at Thanks! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 07:36:15 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Desert island 10 (NJC) Irish Philip wrote: >Well personally, I think the 30's and 40's was the best time for music.:) A-ha! Been smoking a lot of cigarettes lately? Drinking cappucinos? Is there a Jack Russell in the picture? :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:53:25 -0400 From: FPratts@seba.com Subject: New Joni Biography I have searched online at different book store (Barnes and Noble, Borders, etc...) for the new Joni book. I can find nothing about it! I even went to the publishers site, Virgin Books, and saw nothing. Can anyone help?? Thanks! Faye ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:17:46 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: welcome home njc Kate wrote: >Welcome back Steve Dulson!!!! Thanks, Kate! I advocate a SoCal jmdl gathering SOON - I want to hear Kakki's story in person! - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 08:22:46 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Tony Blair (njc) Victor Johnson wrote: >Anybody else catch Tony Blair's speech today. I was very impressed. I >found his words very eloquent, moving, and heartfelt. And Vince added: >Blair's speech was deeply moving...it >was intelligent, reasoned, eloquent, stirring - oratory in the best of >senses. One of the most moving speeches that I have ever heard, ever. I will refrain from comparing Tony to any other politician - not wanting to raise the subject of politics on the jmdl :) - but I will agree that this was oratory at its best. Of course Michele and I actually watch C-SPAN's rebroadcast of Prime Minister's question time each week. Tony is usually very good, but he was exceptional yesterday. I was amazed at the coverage, and that CNN broadcast a good half-hour of the speech live. Tony did a world-class job. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 08:37:21 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) Concur. I watched Blair's speech on C-Span as well. The delivery was impassioned, the logic was impeccable and Blair appeared to have memorized the whole thing rather than reading from a text. I was especially moved by his comments on globalization and how it should hold promise of an improved life for all. Also, he made a point of mentioning how we all should be ashamed of how Africa has been ignored. Quite unexpected and inspiring indeed. - -Julius > Victor Johnson wrote: > > >Anybody else catch Tony Blair's speech today. I was very impressed. I > >found his words very eloquent, moving, and heartfelt. > > And Vince added: > > >Blair's speech was deeply moving...it > >was intelligent, reasoned, eloquent, stirring - oratory in the best of > >senses. One of the most moving speeches that I have ever heard, ever. > >Steve said: >Tony is usually very good, but he was > exceptional yesterday. I was amazed at the coverage, and that CNN > broadcast a good half-hour of the speech live. > > Tony did a world-class job. > -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 09:02:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: We've got 12! NJC Hi everyone The cdr of the month 'club' is off to a good start. The 12th and final member signed on yeterday. I'm collecting addresses from the 11 besides myself who are involved, and starting to figure out what I want to put on my cdr. Thanks to all who are participating. Thanks also to a couple of you who were unable to participate but sent messages supporting the idea. To anyone who wanted in but were too late (only 1 so far), if this goes well, I'll do another one next year. Or, you could start another one up. Thanks again Tyler Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:35:24 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: While the mom's away, the cat(s) will play...(sjc) Wonder if Joni knows about this? This is what your cat is doing while you're out of the house: [Unable to display image] Do you know anyone with a cat? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:46:56 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Shadows and Light, The Definitive Biography How 2 Order Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light The Definitive Biography by Karen O'Brien Not Yet Published: Hardcover - 352 pages (October 4, 2001) Virgin Publishing ISBN #1852279761 due for initial publication next thursday, "Shadows and Light" is apparently not being published or offered for sale in the USA or Canada. the following URL will take you directly to the relevant page where you can order your copy. the books will be shipped on the publication date (10-4-01). http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/1852279761/reviews/ /o/qid=999880288/sr=2-2/ref=/026-2438595-2895629 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:34:09 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) I agree Julius...I especially liked the fact that he is telling the world that each country must no longer live in a social, economic, moral, technological, or political social vacuum. That we no longer can merely align ourselves with certain countries while ignoring the growth of under developed countries such as India. That to do so limits the possibilities and potential for continued economic, technological, social, and moral development. He is a remarkable speaker who knows how to make his points in language understandable to all and provides persuasive examples to bolster his position. While many may disapprove of some things Clinton did during his tenure, he also was a remarkable speaker. He had the intelligence and a strong belief in removing barriers. I can not imagine W ever making a speech that comes close to Blair. Bully for Blair! Peace........Sharon "J. R. Mills" wrote: > > Concur. I watched Blair's speech on C-Span as well. The delivery was > impassioned, the logic was impeccable and Blair appeared to have memorized > the whole thing rather than reading from a text. > > I was especially moved by his comments on globalization and how it should > hold promise of an improved life for all. Also, he made a point of > mentioning how we all should be ashamed of how Africa has been ignored. > Quite unexpected and inspiring indeed. > > -Julius > > > Victor Johnson wrote: > > > > >Anybody else catch Tony Blair's speech today. I was very impressed. I > > >found his words very eloquent, moving, and heartfelt. > > > > And Vince added: > > > > >Blair's speech was deeply moving...it > > >was intelligent, reasoned, eloquent, stirring - oratory in the best of > > >senses. One of the most moving speeches that I have ever heard, ever. > > > >Steve said: > >Tony is usually very good, but he was > > exceptional yesterday. I was amazed at the coverage, and that CNN > > broadcast a good half-hour of the speech live. > > > > Tony did a world-class job. > > -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 11:42:36 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: funeral, joni, music, hart-rudman my father's funeral was very beautiful, beloved calgarian art smith gave his eulogy and i gave mine...the red ensign and the maple leaf flags stood beside the coffin in calgary's cathedral church of the redeemer. alberta's former premier peter lougheed attended both the service and reception, and asked me for a copy of my eulogy (if anyone would like to see this, just email me privately)... at Queens' Park Cemetary, the casket was lowered into the vault on a lovely sunshiney afternoon, while one of my best friends, rick flaumitsch, in full firefighters' dress uniform (including his distinguished service medal, given to him by canada's governor-general), saluted. I too saluted like a true commissionaire (and like john john kennedy!)... it was a delight to hear kakki and steven's report on meeting with joni, and it couldn't have come at a better time for the list, and of course for me personally...it was as if joni directed me and many of us back to why this list came into being... and kudos for the discrete way you both relayed your visit... i have thought about music favorites; they would include annie lennox's diva and medusa, joni's don juan's reckless daughter and hejira, brian wilson and the beach boys' pet sounds and surf's up, the beatles sgt pepper's and abbey road, paul's first 'cherries' solo album and ram, and selections from yes, supertramp, sting, willie and kris, u2, oh the list is endless and i'm too tired to trim it down! finally, i still keep up with the present crisis; the yale daily news has an interesting article on gary hart's work on security that had been going on in the hart-rudman commission, which eerilily warned of the kind of tragedy which took place sept. 11 and which also has ongoing recommendations: http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=16369 again i want to thank all of you for your support during this major transition time for my life... the first time a parent, or any one in my immediate family passed on... ex-security officer 'clint', with a divorcee's stack of dirty dishes reporting, shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 10:23:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Wall Street Journal NJC WALL STREET JOURNAL: BUSH SR. IN BUSINESS WITH BIN LADEN FAMILY CONGLOMERATE THROUGH CARLYLE GROUP http://www.judicialwatch.org/press_release.asp?pr_id=1624 ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:25:28 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Kevin Eubanks, NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: John McLaughlin, NJC > We get to see and hear Kevin Eubanks five nights a week on the Jay Leno show. > He's also a nice, funny guy. What CD would you recommend? Hi Clark, Lucky you. We don't get Jay Leno in France. I saw Kevin live many times and couldn't get enough. He plays faster than his shadow, (not that speed alone matters.) He was kind enough to let me put my hands on the Abe Rivera custom guitar he had at the time, and that fingerboard was twice the width of any guitar I've ever seen! My favourites are his first 2 CDs: Jazz Guitarist and Opening Night. I'd love to get a video of Kevin, even Jay Leno segments, anything. Do you want to trade? I've got all his CDs. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:43:53 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: desert island follow up, NJC Steve wrote: > 1. Tanglewood Tree - Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer > 2. Revival - Gillian Welch > 3. Roses in the Snow - Emmylou Harris > 4. Arthur - The Kinks > 5. Hejira - you know who > 6. Workingman's Dead - GD > 7. Revolver - Beatles > 8. Highway 61 Revisited - The Bob > 9. Steve Gillette - Steve Gillette > 10. Moondance - The Van Man > > Kind of heavy on the '60s, eh? Hi Steve, Since I love the 60's and your selection, I was wondering if you could please tell me about the 3 artists I've never heard of: Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer, Gillian Welch and Steve Gillette. Thanks in advance Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:28:19 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) > I thought it was wonderfully done. The restraint on these shows because of the > tragedy is welcome relief. I especially liked Rufus, Moby, and Sean singing one > of my favorite Beatles' song Across the Universe, and Cyndi Lauper's very moving > Strawberry Fields Forever. Most disappointing was Dave Matthew's' In My Life. If > only they had asked Bette! I would have to disagree and say I enjoyed Dave Matthew's performance, and thought it must have taken alot of guts to get up there early on, in front of all those people, on this occasion, with just an acoustic guitar. But maybe I'm a little partial because I thought "The Space Between" should have won song of the year. I also really enjoyed Cyndi Lauper in particular, and Julian Lennon performing "Julia". And though I have seen Lou Reed before and thoroughly enjoyed seeing him in Atlanta, I did not think this was his best performance, but I respect him for being there. It was wonderfully done! Victor in Athens Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:30:36 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) Oooooooops...I meant Sean Lennon. . I also really enjoyed Cyndi Lauper in particular, and > Julian Lennon performing "Julia". > > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:45:56 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) In a message dated 10/3/01 3:33:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > Oooooooops...I meant Sean Lennon. > > I thought it was very sad that Julian was not there. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 15:50:40 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: closest brush with celebrity Can't fathom actually sitting at a table and visiting with someone of Joni's caliber. I read the various posts and hear of the brushes with fame and have no such stories of my own to tell. As a teenager my mother would force me to attend every function that the youth of our local church held. I was rather the oddball and quite the disciple of Janis Joplin so you can imagine what was going on and happening to me in a small, religious, sports based, town in the Texas Panhandle. I decided that if they thought I was wierd, then I would show them just how wierd I could be. Anyway, I was a junior in high school and finally was beginning to find some kind of niche and had found the forensics department and there, found some folks who were not the norm for the area. Was beginning to expand my mind a little. Sadly, none of them belonged to my church group and off my mother sent me on this church excursion to the mountains of New Mexico. Me, mutliple jocks and jockettes, the young preacher who cared for no one except the jocks and jockettes, and the chauffeurs of the trip, the mothers and fathers of the jocks and jockettes. There I was, with my Janis Joplin t-shirt on and my hair as wild as I could possibly make it look, sitting in the back seat of this car. Careening though the mountains at break neck speed, I looked out the window and dreamed and wished that I was not there, or did not exist at all. Needless to say, it didn't matter, for there was no one in the car that wanted to talk to me anyway and they didn't, for the entire 4 hours it took to get there. The second night we were there they loaded us up into the different cars and took us to a small club. It was apparently not the in season and the club looked closed. There was of course no alcohol going on as we filed in. There was a young man on the stage. He had this huge book that looked like something that one made in junior high with different colored papers in it and hanging out of it. Don't remember exactly how it was bound but in a strange fashion. He took up his guitar and sang songs for us, at times stopping and looking up tunes in that book. I, being the misfit that I was and not very evolved and not wanting to hear anything that wasn't what I was used to, didn't give him a chance and did not enjoy his music, that he "played real good for free." So full of my own angst with my life and the trip and them, I don't think I even listened to half of it. Anyway, an hour or so later, he was finished. We left. The next week I was staying up late to watch the Midnight Special on t.v. and they were scrolling through the folks who would be on that night. His, the guy, picture came up and they announced his name "Michael Murphy". I thought "that's him". Soon after the song Wildfire was a hit. Never cared for it but really liked "what's forever for" that he did years later. This pales in comparison to the stories I have read here but is my closest brush with celebrity. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:02:43 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity I've got you beat by a little bit, Mack, though I'm still light years away from the Joni-sighting. Hunter S. Thompson offered me cocaine in the ladies restroom at the University of Alabama in Birmingham. Wendy O. Williams liked my skirt and bought one like it. And I went to high school with Courtney Cox, who wasn't nearly so pretty in 1980. I'd trade those brushes with celebrity for a cappacino with Joni anytime!! Cindy, wondering what it is with me and celebrities that use their middle initial. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 17:15:19 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: Joni meeting Stephen and Kakki, I am very happy for you that you talked with Joni. As much as I would love to spend time with her, I am almost certain that I wouldn't have known what to say. I would have been shy and who knows what else. . . Overcome. So I think it is is very cool that you were able to actually talk with her. I am still touched by all of this and one thing for now that I want to comment on is whn Stephen wrote. . . We talked about the 60's scene- "So much is forgotten from that time" ;-) I think that WE don't have to forget the best of 60's scene. We don't have to live any differently. Let's take the preciousness of the values of the 60's and live that way in our day to day lives. Many of us do to some extent. Certainly we cannot help but be influenced by our present times, but in our hearts and souls we can proceed with the spirit of the 60's in everything we do. I can encourage you and YOU CAN ENCOURAGE ME to proceed in the spirit of the 60's. Can we start with a thread to define the spirit of the 60's? Spirit of the 60's: questioning authority, Standing up for what you believe in, taking a stand, taking a stand, taking a stand, doing things together. Being real, seeing real. Help me live this way. Help the world live this way. Stardust golden Love, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 16:18:47 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity >Hunter S. Thompson offered me cocaine in the ladies restroom at the University of Alabama in Birmingham. I think Cindy may have left out the juiciest part of this story. Hunter S. Thompson was in the LADIES ROOM? At the University of ALABAMA?!! Hmm. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 14:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity Late for a class I was taking at City College, I was charging down the steps of the NYC Library with a massive bag full of books slung over my shoulder. Down to the bottom of the stairs, pulling a hard right into the street, I knock this little guy walking down the sidewalk flat on his keester. I apologize and give him a hand up ... recognizing immediately in shock and dismay ... it's: Mikhail Barishnikov (sp?) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:17:11 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity (snip) >Down to the bottom of the stairs, pulling a hard right >into the street, I knock this little guy walking down >the sidewalk flat on his keester. I apologize and >give him a hand up ... recognizing immediately in >shock and dismay ... it's: >Mikhail Barishnikov (sp?) >Don Rowe You should have introduced yourself as Sam Shepard! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 17:31:02 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) Ok, so whose got a copy if it? I didn't even know it was on... (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:35:37 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) I taped the entire program and I could possibly duplicate it if I had access to a second VCR. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:38:25 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity Years ago when my late uncle owned a nightclub in NJ, I met Guy Lombardo, Buddy Rich & Chubby Checker (who wasn't so chubby anymore I might add) He was really into that dance band era. While attending a community college, I met the late Harry Chapin who signed his book of poetry. I did very briefly meet and shake Joni's hand at the TNT tribute. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 21:39:17 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity NJC My closest brush with celebrity happened as follows: I ducked out of my Project office around 7.30am to the coffee shop next door. Given the early hour I was desparate for a caffiene kick. A long way from paying attention to what I was doing, I hurtled through the door to the shop only to collide full body with the very splendid Brendan Fraser heading out and on his way to film the dubiously splendid Mummy 2. Those of you who remember me from the recent fest might well imagine the deep and appreciative growl emanating from me while recounting this. Les (London) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 17:57:39 EDT From: EVRIBUTJON@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #456 Hi Everyone, I missed the Kakki post about meeting Joni. Could someone please send it to me? Thanks. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:04:04 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity This story is not about my *closest* brush with celebrity, but it is one I often think about -- given everything that happened shortly after I this happened. I was at Bloomingdales in Manhattan during my lunch hour in 1992 or 1993. As I was leaving the store I happened to notice the familiar face of a former football hero, even though I'm not much of a sports fan. He was talking with a couple of women by the door and I never actually introduced myself to him or asked for an autograph or anything like that because in New York, like LA, that's just uncool. Anyway, the man was jaw-droppingly handsome, and oozed more charm and charisma than any person I've ever seen, as if golden lights were radiating from him. I guess that's why I wasn't too surprised when a jury acquitted him of the murder of his ex-wife and Ron Goldman a few years later. And the only time I was ever totally uncool around a celeb was when I happened to meet the road crew for a performer I love and they gave me backstage access to her concert on the Boston Common the following night. Bonnie Raitt couldn't have been more gracious as I slobbered all over her. In a way, I'm glad I wasn't at the Joni sighting last weekend because who knows what I would have done to embarrass myself. Congratulations, Kakki and Stephen. And thanks for a great story. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:11:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: welcome home njc > Thanks, Kate! I advocate a SoCal jmdl gathering >SOON - I want to hear Kakki's story in person! Yes, we will! A very talented and sweet jmdl'er from the U.K. will be in L.A. in a few weeks - just in time for another happening!! So polish up the old dulcimer, Steve ;-) I'll keep you all posted! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:15:58 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Desert island 10 (NJC) Heeheehee! I got Joni back a little when she dismissed the 60s, finally saying "well YOUUUU made great art during the 60s!" She actually seemed a little embarrassed (but was smiling to herself) and then came back and allowed that Jimi Hendrix was the only one she saw in the 60s who could stack up against Louis Armstrong, Charlie Bird Parker and the rest of the them. ;-) Wish you two could have been there! Kakki > Irish Philip wrote: > > >Well personally, I think the 30's and 40's was the best time for music.:) > > A-ha! Been smoking a lot of cigarettes lately? Drinking >cappucinos? Is there a Jack Russell in the picture? :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 19:21:03 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (njc) bad pun -- sorry Would a certain louche terrorist with an umbilical hernia who owned a German-made car that felt compelled to always play the third cut of every compact disc put into it over and over and over, be: (drum roll) a seedy Saudi "outy" with a CD-OCD Audi? sorry, walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:24:16 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity Probably wearing myself thin but I feel the need to tell this story. It is my next closest brush with celebrity and my last, I promise. Years later than the last post when I was madly in love, this person, who was from Roswell, New Mexico, tells me that he is going to see an old high school friend and would I like to go. I said yes, would have went anywhere with him. We were going to Las Cruces, NM, a place I had never been before. He told me that his friend had a roommate who was the sister of Meredith Baxter. That was the time of the show family and I was quite taken with Meredith. When he told me we were lying in the bed and I thought to myself that the story was most likely not true. I didn't give it much more thought. Off we went, the details are another story, and arrived there at the friends house. The friend was a nice girl, earthy and more or less pretty sure of herself. She and he went off almost immediately to another part of the house, after introductions were made. The introductions included another roommate. She had platinum blond hair and a shapely figure, although somewhat bigger than what would be considered nice these days. Kind of a Marilyn Monroe type body. She was very free and seemed rather flighty. Didn't see much of her while we were there for she was gone most of the time. The other roommate was named Carol. Carol Baxter. She was tall for a girl and seemed almost lurchy (from the Addams Family) in stature. She had red hair and a pale complexion. She was painting a border around the sides of the walls, close to the ceiling. The room was cavernous in a old house, with Spanish architectural leanings. She was pretty odd I thought and I would just imagine, looking back, that she was a Joni fan. She seemed the type. I was into disco and that kind of thing at the time so was not anywhere near understanding or engaging her. Didn't see much of my boy the next day and spend most of the time just hanging out. The next night was the regular night for the show family to come on. He was, again, back in the back of the house with his close friend and I was more or less told, without words, that they were communing in a way that I was not privy to, and to get lost. Carol was doing something in that big main room but I don't remember what. I thought to myself, for lack of anything better to do, that I would find out if this purported story was true or not. I hatched a plot inside my head and went to work. I engaged her in conversation about nothing. We soon were sitting on the couch. The platinum girl was gone for the night. He and that girl were doing whatever they were doing. It was just Carol and myself there. The television was on. The show came on and I made a special point of telling her how mad I was about Meredith Baxter. It was partially true though I embellished it to a great degree. I could tell that she liked it so I kept it up. She finally asked me "do you really like her" and then "do you want to see something." I swear I was perfectly sober and did not know about drugs yet. I said yes to both questions. She left the room and came back with a photo album. Sure enough, photo after photo of the family. Real pictures of Meredith Baxter. I was pretty astonished and being that I was such a small town boy it was pretty exciting though here it will seem silly. Oddly enough, a couple of years ago I was watching one of those true hollywood things on t.v. and they made no mention of a sister named Carol so I would assume it was a step thing because these pictures were definitely authentic. She even talked to her once while I was there. The entire trip was surrealistic and the details of that are better left for another time but I will say that Las Cruces is a great place to visit. mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 5:04 PM Subject: Re: closest brush with celebrity > This story is not about my *closest* brush with celebrity, but it is one I > often think about -- given everything that happened shortly after I this > happened. > > I was at Bloomingdales in Manhattan during my lunch hour in 1992 or 1993. As > I was leaving the store I happened to notice the familiar face of a former > football hero, even though I'm not much of a sports fan. He was talking with > a couple of women by the door and I never actually introduced myself to him > or asked for an autograph or anything like that because in New York, like LA, > that's just uncool. Anyway, the man was jaw-droppingly handsome, and oozed > more charm and charisma than any person I've ever seen, as if golden lights > were radiating from him. I guess that's why I wasn't too surprised when a > jury acquitted him of the murder of his ex-wife and Ron Goldman a few years > later. > > And the only time I was ever totally uncool around a celeb was when I > happened to meet the road crew for a performer I love and they gave me > backstage access to her concert on the Boston Common the following night. > Bonnie Raitt couldn't have been more gracious as I slobbered all over her. > > In a way, I'm glad I wasn't at the Joni sighting last weekend because who > knows what I would have done to embarrass myself. > > Congratulations, Kakki and Stephen. And thanks for a great story. > > --Bob ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #458 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?