From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #457 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, October 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 457 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tony Blair (njc) ["Kakki" ] RE: (njc) More navel gazing (silly, but no lint), and sincere questions... ["patrick leader" ] Desert Island Picks, njc ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Re: Desert island 10 (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: John & Beverley Martyn (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] John Lennon Tribute(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] Some Smokin' Jazz & a Diva in the Making - The Clayton Brothers Quintet & Jane Monheit at Jazz Alley NJC ["Mark] RE: Morning Notes - NJC ["patrick leader" ] RE: Marcel, NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] the draft njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) ["Kakki" ] RE: njc, wish Anne well ! ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Morning Notes - NJC ["J. R. Mills" ] RE: Morning Notes - NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:22:49 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) Then again it was the bumpkin and his cadre that shared certain compelling info with Blair early on in this that one could say helped solidfy his support with us so quickly and strongly. Sigh........ > then again Vince after hearing Tony again, followed by the bumpkin, you very > well may be right. Where oh where, are you, FDR? > > Mack > > Funny, on Yahoo political chat, tony is derided constantly. then again, the > average person there spends most of their time in the barn. lol > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dolphie Bush" > To: "joni" > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) > > > > No one in our government is capable of making a speech like that. that > > statement is a more than farfetched, although I too am a fan of Tony > Blair. > > > > Mack > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Vince Lavieri" > > To: "Victor Johnson" > > Cc: "joni" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:46 PM > > Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) > > > > > > > Blair's speech was deeply moving. I happened to hear it over BBC via > > > NPR, live, today, as I was late for work. > > > > > > No one in our government is capable of making a speech like that - it > > > was intelligent, reasoned, eloquent, stirring - oratory in the best of > > > senses. One of the most moving speeches that I have ever heard, ever. > > > Considering that I am not at all in favor of the military course of > > > action that Blair was clearly laying out, it was such a "rally to the > > > cause" speech based on substance and appeal to conscience that I was > > > ready to enlist - well, not quite, but it was that moving of a speech. > > > How I wish the issues could be framed in this country with that > > > eloquence. > > > > > > British JMDLers, does Blair always speak like that, or was that an > > > exception for him? > > > > > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:22:38 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: (njc) More navel gazing (silly, but no lint), and sincere questions... in another life i'm a tennis fan and i read john wertheim's mailbag at http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/ every week, so i knew this song had been mentioned. i just spent way too much time tracking down the third song. from the 8/13 mailbag: - ----- Who sings that slightly catchy, slightly annoying song ("All I want to do is to thank you/Even though I don't know who you are/You let me change lanes/While I was driving in my car") that accompanies the incessant Mercedes ads on tennis telecasts? My pal Chris in Atlanta informs me that it's Geggy Tah. What can I say? You ask, I answer. - ----- (c) Don't even know the make of the car this time, but this >> commercial features genXers again, driving (in some scenes) in a >tunnel, with >> a catchy start-and-stop piece that's a mix of hiphop, big band (lots of >> horns) and I don't know what -- hard to classify. I think the >song is either >> a current or very recent hit, because I still hear it on the >street from time >> to time. Sorry for being so vague -- I should take better notes >when I'm >> watching TV. >> patrick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:06:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: welcome home njc Welcome back Steve Dulson!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:45:18 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Desert Island Picks, njc Okay. top three all-time desert island discs: "For The Roses" by Joni Mitchell "Abbey Road" by the Beatles "Candy-O" by the Cars "Time Out" by the Dave Brubeck Quartet "Desire" by Bob Dylan Then, I would stuff a note in a bottle to request these: "Sargent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" by the Beatles "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" by Joni "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" by Joni "Focus" by Stan Getz "Getz/Gilberto" by Stan Getz and Joan Gilberto "Sinatra At The Sands With Count Basie" by Frank Sinatra in front of Count Basie and his orchestra playing some great arrangements "Blood On The Tracks" by Bob Dylan "Ram" by Paul and Linda McCartney "The Trinity Session" by the Cowboy Junkies or "lay it down" by the Cowboy Junkies? "Walking Man" by James Taylor or "Sweet Baby James" by James Taylor? Lama Legal notice: Mister L'Hommedieu was only kidding about "Candy-O". ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 02:45:25 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Desert island 10 (NJC) If you got rescued and left all your records behind and I got washed ashore a few days later, I'd think is was my lucky day, Steve! > 2. Revival - Gillian Welch Her London show has been cancelled for some reason - - miffed! PaulC (what am I doing up at twenty to three?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 03:15:56 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: John & Beverley Martyn (NJC) Catherine wrote: > Me too - I love John Martyn - been listening to a lot > of him lately (whatever I can beg, borrow and steal!) Virgin Books in the UK should also be publishing his biography, 'John Martyn - From the inside out' by Lee Barry sometime soon, I hope - it was due out in May! It looks like there are quite a few Canadian John Martyn 'hairies' (London Transport's name for Underground train- spotter-ly types) - I found this on the Dutch site:- >Canadians show good taste... >Only two weeks ago I discovered an hitherto unknown >item that has been released only in Canada (on the Antille's >Island label: a 7 inch single from 1986 with Lonely Love on >the A-side and Angeline on the B-side. Both songs featured >as A-sides on regular releases, so besides from being a >good idea this was also unique. The tracks have been >unedited and details of this hardcore JM material were >added to the Collectors page. Dufflecoatpaulc singing "love me with your head and heart" ....very quietly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:17:41 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: John Lennon Tribute(NJC) Is anyone watching this tribute on TNT? It's very good.the songs are so moving and inspirational. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:21:18 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Some Smokin' Jazz & a Diva in the Making - The Clayton Brothers Quintet & Jane Monheit at Jazz Alley NJC Melanie, Travis & your own Mark E. had the chance to enjoy some first rate jazz Sunday night at Seattle's Jazz Alley supper club. This is the third time I have attended a show at Jazz Alley and each time has been special in its own way and always enjoyable. The food and drinks were good (if overpriced) and the company was certainly first rate on Sunday. But the show was the real reason for being there. And let me tell you, it was an amazing show! The last act I saw at Jazz Alley was Hendricks & Ross and I was seated at a table right in front of the stage. Sunday night we sat on the upper level of the venue and were looking down at the performers. We had a great view and the sound was perfect. From a vocal standpoint, Hendricks & Ross were a peak experience for me. But as far as my limited experience of live instrumental jazz is concerned, the Clayton Brothers quintet was definitely a high point. I have a very limited knowledge of jazz but I think I know enough to be able to say that the Clayton Brothers quintet is made up of 5 world class, a-list jazz musicians. They are comprised of John Clayton on bass, Jeff Clayton on alto sax, Gilbert Castellanos on trumpet, Bill Cunliffe on piano and Jeff Hamilton on drums. Each player was stellar and really made their instruments smoke during their various solo spots. The Seattle Times compared Jeff Clayton to Cannonball Adderley and described the group's performance as 'a bristling, take-no-prisoners set of bluesy hard bop.' Most of their set made me move in my seat, bouncing & tapping my toes but there was one number called 'That Night' that was a slow, moody piece. John Clayton used a bow on his bass for this one & the overall effect was elegant and beautiful. During most of their set, however, these guys were cookin'! 'Runway' was a particularly lively piece that really had me hopping! The horns moved out of the spot light & watched from the sidelines when Jane Monheit took the stage. Some of you will recognize the name from the latest volume of Mr. Muller's wild & wonderful Joni covers. She does a very pretty version of 'A Case of You.' Unfortunately she did not sing that particular song on Sunday but instead favored the audience with a set of well-turned standards. Jane is 23 years old and is a very attractive young woman with gorgeous, long, ripply-waved brown hair with red highlights running all through it. Judging from the covers of her two cds, the hair seems to be a trademark, a part of her image. Watching her pull it back from her face time & time again became distracting after the first two or three times she did it and the three of us in my party agreed that she should have it tied back while performing. That and a not particularly flattering outfit contributed to a feeling that she wasn't completely comfortable on stage. I got the distinct impression that she hasn't quite attained the poise & self-assurance that she needs to truly put herself over the top in her performance. I have also had this feeling from listening to her two cds. There's something that she seems to be holding back. But she has plenty of time. And plenty of talent. Her voice is truly wondrous - clear, flexible and expressive with a more than ample range. She has certainly learned the technique necessary to become a great jazz singer. There are times when the name Ella Fitzgerald comes to mind when listening to Monheit sing. Jane's voice & delivery is definitely in the school of Fitzgerald and Sarah Vaughan. She does not have the smoky, sultry quality of say, Cassandra Wilson or Diana Krall who are probably more closely related to Billie Holiday or Peggy Lee. Jane's voice has a sweetness and astonishing flexibility to it that is particularly reminiscent of Ella. She knows when to embellish a melody and can quite capably navigate up or down a vocal run. She also injects a bit of scat into her delivery here and there. She opened with an appropriately swinging 'They Can't Take That Away From Me'. John Clayton, Hamilton and Cunliffe accompanied her throughout her set, Cunliffe shining in particular with occasional solo breaks on the ivories. 'Hit the Road to Dreamland' was another tune that showed Jane's ability to swing. Her set also included 'So Many Stars' and she closed with 'Over the Rainbow'. Is it my imagination or does everybody seem to be covering that song these days? For years I think people were afraid of it. There was something almost sacred about it being Judy Garland's signature song. Maybe Judy's been gone long enough that people aren't so afraid of it now. Jane does a very pretty version of it. There really was not a false note or step in Jane's vocal performance. Her interpretations were tasteful and impeccably executed with just enough variation from the recordings to give them a feeling of spontaneity. But it was her rendition of 'Spring Can Really Hang You Up the Most' that really made me think I was witnessing something extraordinary. Bette Midler does a lovely rendition of this song and it's hard for anyone to beat it in my opinion. But Jane Monheit seemed to come close to letting herself go with this one and it really connected, much more deeply than her performance of the same song on her cd. I think it's only going to be a matter of time & experience for this singer to hit her stride and when that happens she is going to be truly formidable. If she can get to that place where she is confident enough to let loose, she's going to be unstoppable. After Jane finished, I grabbed the two cds I had brought with me & hurried downstairs. She was sitting at the bar (with her hair pulled back in a knot, by the way) talking to Cunliffe and another guy. I asked her if she would mind signing a couple of cds. She was pleasant but I got the distinct impression that she wasn't interested in chatting. I did mention that I loved the fact that she had covered a Joni Mitchell song and I think she maybe said something like 'yeah, she's great.' I apologized for bothering her, she said no problem and then I let her be. Anyway, I now have a couple of autographed Jane Monheit cds. Maybe someday this will be like having a vinyl record signed by Ella or Sassy. Maybe not. Only time will tell and I think time is on Jane Monheit's side. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:23:05 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Morning Notes - NJC mary grace, i love you. i loved this post (Morning Notes - NJC = Thursday, September 27, 2001 7:02 AM) it goes into my permanent archive, along with other remarkable posts you've written. i'm not writing this because you needed to hear it. i think everyone here should know by now, mg does not need validation to feel comfortable in her opinions. it's something we all could learn. i'm just writing it, and including the whole post, because i think it's worth rereading by everyone, i mean everyone, on this list. i'm super happy that vince is back with us, but i thought the "no one posted, so no one cared" stance was childish, and completely separated from the reality of an email discussion list. i think even vince is a little embarassed. if it's any consolation, vince, you weren't the first person to make that rant. and i am truly happy you are among us. i have had some negative responses to some of the other posts, on vince's departure and appropriate topics and appropriate listers in this stressful time. but i think i'll reserve them. mary grace's example is really important to me here... patrick john adams - el niqo - ----- >I could have been watching Fox's Love Cruise last night but instead I sat in my chair and thought about the list and the current rash of leavers as well as Ashara's eloquent post for calm, Brian's comments on list angst and Mark Scott's good post from the last digest. And I'm seeing people not posting anything about it, which is fine and I'm seeing people like Marian and Mags feeling bad that they didn't stick up for Vince sooner as well as people saying "it's your choice. Hope you come back soon." Plus some snide comments, (which Mags handled rather well!). Sounds like a normal community to me. But what is it about the JMDL community that gets so passionate so fast? On the WeCount! accounting list, we've nearly come to blows over straight-line depreciation but never with such gusto, never with such hurt feelings, perceived insults, straight out insults, injured silences. Why the difference? And I think that the key word is "community." Some call it a "family." Passions run high in places like that and the JMDL gets further complicated by the fact that it is electronic based, 300+ strong with varying degrees of participation, response time, communication skills and more. When I post, I have no idea if Ashara is having a bad day because she can't figure out just why she's found gristle in her lentil burger or if, 8 months down the road, a breeze brings a whiff of construction dust to Debra Shea and she spends a traumatized day reliving the events of September 11th or if someone else is tearing their hair out over the Smurf controversy: does that title go to Bob S'murphy or Bob S'muller. Who gives a schmit? My point is, passions can spark from the mundane to the profound to everything in between and learning how to live with "electronic" relationships is new to nearly everyone. For myself, I know that I cannot deny the bond that I feel with some of the list members, a few of whom I've never met and yet considered myself very close to them! How do I make sure that these bonds don't jeopardize my "real life" relationships and how do I nurture and strength these bonds? All the while having to get up, make coffee, go to work, do laundry and more. For myself, I have read posts on the list that have made me feel sad or have made me feel a real part of things or have made me feel horribly excluded. I've felt angry! Jealous! Educated! Uplifted! And all this sitting in this corner of my bedroom. Unbelievable. And for everyone who gets tears streaming down their faces as they respond to something or recount thoughts, there is someone else who isn't as affected. For everyone who forgets to list "The 1969 Miracle Mets Commemorative Album" as one of their island picks, there's someone else sighing heavily in the background thinking: "sheesh!" For everyone who skips over a thread as being of no consequence, there's someone else who really gets hurt. The comparison of reactions can go on and on. And I guess the point that sticks out the most to me is why didn't they vote Andrea off the Love Cruise boat instead of Laura? Wait! NO! The point that sticks out the most to me is what a learning experience this is and how much we have to learn in terms of interacting with each other. And I think that moratoriums on "stressful" subjects during times like these isn't the total answer, because to someone out there, everyday is "times like these" and every thread can be "stressful." I think that another thing to try is the old English 101 technique of write, take a break, then edit. Even with this post, I've gone back, edited out the dull parts, (hard to believe, huh?), rewrote lines that, after a cup of coffee, I thought might be construed the wrong way. Every time I DON'T follow that, I post something stoopid. I hope that we do not lose any more good people, I hope that we get back the ones that we did. I hope that we never stop growing. MG And hey! Mary the Newbie! Where's your post? Get it in there gal! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:20:05 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: RE: Marcel, NJC Laurent wrote: <> Laurent, it's time that I get this off my chest in public. I think this booting Marcel off the list was the worst thing I've seen in my 3 1/2 years on the JMDL. I don't know if he would ever come back if he was allowed, but it's finally the time that I speak to all of my friends. I know Les had a very difficult decision to make, and I respect Les for everything he has done. I haven't been able to get this subject off of my mind, but despite what people want to say to me, Marcel belongs here. He and I have entirely different views about so many things, but he always makes me think about things. He's given so much to the JMDL, and I'm finally speaking up to all of you. He his a good man, and I wish more than anything.................he would return. Happy happy birthday, and the best to you Marcel. You gave me the best gift of all at Jonifest, and I will always treasure it. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:07:54 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) missed this, will it rebroadcast or is it online anywhere? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:17:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: the draft njc we have 2 sons very eligible for the draft so i was reading about it: http://www.emu.edu/ctp/bse-draft.html & http://www.sss.gov/whhap.htm i have already lived through this once in my lifetime, i pray i this does not happen again... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:00:01 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) > missed this, will it rebroadcast or is it online anywhere? Kate, it's being replayed a lot tonight on CNN and Fox News. (We sure do like him ;-) Also, I'm sure you can find it online at any or most of the main U.K. newspapers. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 02:24:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: njc, wish Anne well ! wasn't bob muller supposed to be the phone guy? is it ashara now? WK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de jlamadoo, home account Enviado el: Martes, 02 de Octubre de 2001 08:21 p.m. Para: _JMDL Asunto: njc, wish Anne well ! To reiterate, Anne has asked us all to send a vocal get well message to play in the operating room. For those outside of the USA who want to get a voice "get well" wish for Anne, Ashara's phone hours equate to 1PM GMT through 8PM GMT (Greenwich Mean Time). Thanks, Jim At 05:17 PM 10/1/01 -0400, AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: would be to leave a message on my home answering machine, which is the >Megaphone program on my computer. I can convert their messages to wav. files >and then transfer them to CD. > >My home number is 864-233-7584. I don't mind if you put that info out to the >list, it may help especially overseas folks. > >The **important** note would be that they have to call between 8AM and 3PM >EST, otherwise they'll either get a busy signal (Dad or son on internet or >phone), or son will pick up thinking it could be girlfriend.>> > >A MILLION thanks for this info, Bob!! I intend to take you up on this >immediately! It also solves the problem with getting everything in a timely >manner before Anne goes in for her operation. > >Hugs, >Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 22:57:49 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: Morning Notes - NJC I love you, too, Mary Grace. Thanks for your insight. Thanks for the re-play, Patrick. This post is brilliant. Now, just what the hell is "straight-line depreciation" anyway? - -Julius > mary grace, i love you. i loved this post (Morning Notes - NJC = Thursday, > September 27, 2001 7:02 AM) it goes into my permanent archive, along with > other remarkable posts you've written. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 03:07:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Morning Notes - NJC thanks god for mary grace!!!!! one of the few people that have never turned phony on this list. mary, i have the impression that you stopped liking me some time ago, and i don't blame you. but i still like you and think of you very often. and this is from someone that likes fewer and fewer people everyday! love, wallyK, from the hermit's cave ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #457 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?