From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #456 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, October 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 456 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dogs, cats, cigarettes and cappucinos - NJC [M.Russell@iaea.org] John McLaughlin and Joni [CarltonCT@aol.com] Today in Joni History: October 2 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: October 2 [les@jmdl.com] Marcel, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Islam (cold blue steel and not so sweet fire), NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Saturday w/JM- my report ["Raffaele Malanga" ] shall we dance? NJC ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Cleaning the bathtub (NJC) [] Re:Covers #22, reporting for duty! [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: John McLaughlin and Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:Covers #22, reporting for duty! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: John McLaughlin and Joni ["Leslie Ross" ] Joni in Stereophile magazine ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: John McLaughlin (njc) [jan ] Re: an hour with Joni [Merk54@aol.com] Subject: Saturday w/JM- my report- rather long ["Kate Bennett" ] Is there a devil? (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Tony Blair (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Joni's upcoming project ["Kakki" ] Re: Is there a devil? (njc) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Shadows and Light biography ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Shadows and Light biography ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Joni smoking (NJC) ["John van Tiel" ] Re: Joni smoking (NJC) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Desert island 10 (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: OK more of a report - long ;-) [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Joni smoking (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Tony Blair (njc) [Vince Lavieri ] Chicago Chefs United for Disaster Relief [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Tony Blair (njc) ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Joni's upcoming project [Reuben3rd@aol.com] njc, wish Anne well ! ["jlamadoo, home account" ] John & Beverley Martyn (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Joni's New Project- Fantasies ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Dogs, cats, cigarettes and cappucinos - NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Is there a devil? (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: John & Beverley Martyn (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni's New Project- Fantasies [Catherine McKay ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:01:01 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Dogs, cats, cigarettes and cappucinos - NJC On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:12:01 -0700 "Kakki" wrote: > Welcome back Steve, Roberto & Vince - XOXOX Yes! Welcome back!!!! Now if only Paz would return.... Ashara? Love, Marian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 03:06:33 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: John McLaughlin and Joni I am a huge fan of John McLaughlin. He recorded with Joni on MINGUS but his work was never used. I am not surprised to find out she wanted to work with him. John and Pat Metheny are the two greatest living jazz guitarists. Like a miracle, a long lost Mahavisnhnu Orchestra album called THE LOST TRIDENT SESSIONS was released and some of it is wonderful. Much of the music on it was released on a live record, FROM THE EMERALD BEYOND, but this is a complete studio album to show up 25 years after the original Mahavushnu Orchestra disbanded. One of the greatest records of all time is Mahavishnu's APOCALYPSE with Michael Tilson Thomas conducting the London Symphony Orchestra. McLaughlin's work with SHAKTI is also truly sublime. Also re-released this week is McLaughlin's work with Carlos Santana from when the two of them were disciples of Sri Chinmoy. What I wish would resurface is John's work with Joni. Bob Muller, have you got those tapes? Pleeeeeeeease? Also heard a preview of the Joni covers album coming out sometime soon. Pretty good, but the real gem is Donny Osmond's cover of "Two Grey Rooms". Who knew? - - Clark Carlton NP: Donny, Two Grey Rooms ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 03:14:00 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: October 2 On October 2 in Joni Mitchell History: 1991: Today Joni attended Sting's birthday party held at A&M Studios in Los Angeles. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 03:14:00 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: October 2 On October 2 these articles were published: 1998: "Bare Necessities" - Entertainment Weekly (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981002ew.cfm 1998: "Conversation with Joni Mitchell" - ABC Good Morning America (Interview - Audio Transcription) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981002gma.cfm 1998: "Riled Woman" - Pittsburgh Post Gazette (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981002ppg.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Washington Blade (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/981002wb.cfm 2000: "Singer Jann Arden tops music awards" - Toronto Globe and Mail (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/001002tgam.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 634 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:28:21 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Marcel, NJC I understand Marcel COULD be reinstated after 30 days. However, he probably won't unless there is popular request. So here's one more following Brei's post of yesterday. Anybody else? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:27:49 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Islam (cold blue steel and not so sweet fire), NJC I wish the following article weren't true. However, knowing the author's reputation, I'm afraid it is and that's SCARY either way you look at it (e.g. war or no war). Feel free to comment. Laurent By Paul Johnson, historian and journalist October 15, 2001, National Review Bold and uncompromising words were spoken by American (and British) leaders in the immediate response to the Manhattan Massacre. But they may be succeeded by creeping appeasement unless public opinion insists that these leaders stick to their initial resolve to destroy international terrorism completely. One central reason why appeasement is so tempting to Western governments is that attacking terrorism at its roots necessarily involves conflict with the second-largest religious community in the world. It is widely said that Islamic terrorists are wholly unorthodox in their belief that their religion sanctions what they do, and promises the immediate reward of heaven to what we call "suicide bombers" but they insist are martyrs to the faith. This line is bolstered by the assertion that Islam is essentially a religion of peace and that the very word "Islam" means "peace." Alas, not so. Islam means "submission," a very different matter, and one of the functions of Islam, in its more militant aspect, is to obtain that submission from all, if necessary by force. Islam is an imperialist religion, more so than Christianity has ever been, and in contrast to Judaism. The Koran, Sura 5, verse 85, describes the inevitable enmity between Moslems and non-Moslems: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans." Sura 9, verse 5, adds: "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]." Then nations, however mighty, the Koran insists, must be fought "until they embrace Islam." These canonical commands cannot be explained away or softened by modern theological exegesis, because there is no such science in Islam. Unlike Christianity, which, since the Reformation and Counter Reformation,has continually updated itself and adapted to changed conditions, and unlike Judaism, which has experienced what is called the 18th-century Jewish enlightenment, Islam remains a religion of the Dark Ages. The 7th-century Koran is still taught as the immutable word of God, any teaching of which is literally true. In other words, mainstream Islam is essentially akin to the most extreme form of Biblical fundamentalism. It is true it contains many sects and tendencies, quite apart from the broad division between Sunni Moslems, the majority, who are comparatively moderate and include most of the ruling families of the Gulf, and Shia Moslems, far more extreme, who dominate Iran. But virtually all these tendencies are more militant and uncompromising than the orthodox, which is moderate only by comparison, and by our own standards is extreme. It believes, for instance, in a theocratic state, ruled by religious law, inflicting (as in Saudi Arabia) grotesquely cruel punishments, which were becoming obsolete in Western Europe in the early Middle Ages. Moreover, Koranic teaching that the faith or "submission" can be, and in suitable circumstances must be, imposed by force, has never been ignored. On the contrary, the history of Islam has essentially been a history of conquest and reconquest. The 7th-century "breakout" of Islam from Arabia was followed by the rapid conquest of North Africa, the invasion and virtual conquest of Spain, and a thrust into France that carried the crescent to the gates of Paris. It took half a millennium of reconquest to expel the Moslems from Western Europe. The Crusades, far from being an outrageous prototype of Western imperialism, as is taught in most of our schools, were a mere episode in a struggle that has lasted 1,400 years, and were one of the few occasions when Christians took the offensive to regain the "occupied territories" of the Holy Land. The Crusades, as it happened, fatally weakened the Greek Orthodox Byzantine Empire, the main barrier to the spread of Islam into southeast and central Europe. As a result of the fall of Constantinople to the ultramilitant Ottoman Sultans, Islam took over the entire Balkans, and was threatening to capture Vienna and move into the heart of Europe as recently as the 1680s. This millennial struggle continues in a variety of ways. The recent conflicts in Bosnia and Kosovo were a savage reaction by the Orthodox Christians of Serbia to the spread of Islam in their historic heartlands, chiefly by virtue of a higher birthrate. Indeed, in the West, the battle is largely demographic, though it is likely to take a more militant turn at any moment. Moslems from the Balkans and North Africa are surging over established frontiers on a huge scale, rather as the pressure of the eastern tribes brought about the collapse of the Roman Empire of the West in the 4th and 5th centuries A.D. The number of Moslems penetrating and settling in Europe is now beyond computation because most of them are illegals. They are getting into Spain and Italy in such numbers that, should present trends continue,both these traditionally Catholic countries will become majority Moslem during the 21st century. The West is not alone in being under threat from Islamic expansion.While the Ottomans moved into South-East Europe, the Moghul invasion of India destroyed much of Hindu and Buddhist civilization there. The recent destruction by Moslems in Afghanistan of colossal Buddhist statues is a reminder of what happened to temples and shrines, on an enormous scale, when Islam took over. The writer V. S. Naipaul has recently pointed out that the destructiveness of the Moslem Conquest is at the root of India's appalling poverty today. Indeed, looked at historically, the record shows that Moslem rule has tended both to promote and to perpetuate poverty. Meanwhile, the religion of "submission" continues to advance, as a rule by force, in Africa in part of Nigeria and Sudan, and in Asia, notably in Indonesia, where non-Moslems are given the choice of conversion or death. And in all countries where Islamic law is applied, converts, whether compulsory or not, who revert to their earlier faith, are punished by death. The survival and expansion of militant Islam in the 20th century came as a surprise. After the First World War, many believed that Turkey, where the Kemal Ataturk regime imposed secularization by force, would set the pattern for the future, and that Islam would at last be reformed and modernized. Though secularism has - so far - survived in Turkey, in the rest of Islam fundamentalism, or orthodoxy, as it is more properly called, has increased its grip on both the rulers and the masses. There are at present 18 predominantly Islamic states, some of them under Koranic law and all ruled by groups that have good reason to fear extremists. Hence American policymakers, in planning to uproot Islamic terrorism once and for all, have to steer a narrow path. They have the military power to do what they want, but they need a broad-based global coalition to back their action, preferably with military contributions as well as words, and ideally including such states as Pakistan, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt. To get this kind of support is not easy, for moderate Moslem rulers are far more frightened of the terrorists than of Americans, and fear for their lives and families. The danger is that they will insist on qualification of American action that will amount, in effect, to appeasement, and that this in turn will divide and weaken both the administration and U.S. public opinion. It is vitally important that America stick to the essentials of its military response and carry it through relentlessly and thoroughly. Although only Britain can be guaranteed to back the White House in every contingency, it is better in the long run for America to act without many allies, or even alone, than to engage in a messy compromise dictated by nervousness and cowardice. That would be the worst of all solutions and would be certain to lead to more terrorism, in more places, and on an ever-increasing scale. Now is the ideal moment for the United States to use all its physical capacity to eliminate large-scale international terrorism. The cause is overwhelmingly just, the nation is united, the hopes of decent, law-abiding men and women everywhere go with American arms. Such a moment may never recur. The great William Gladstone, in resisting terrorism, once used the phrase, "The resources of civilisation are not yet exhausted." That is true today.Those resources are largely in American hands, and the nation - "the last,best hope of mankind" - has an overwhelming duty to use them with purposeful justification and to the full, in the defense of the lives, property, and freedom of all of us. This is the central point to keep in mind when the weasel words of cowardice and surrender are pronounced. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:55:50 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: John McLaughlin, NJC > I am a huge fan of John McLaughlin. He recorded with Joni on MINGUS but > his work was never used. I am not surprised to find out she wanted to work > with him. John and Pat Metheny are the two greatest living jazz guitarists. > Like a miracle, a long lost Mahavisnhnu Orchestra album called THE LOST > TRIDENT SESSIONS was released and some of it is wonderful. Much of the music > on it was released on a live record, FROM THE EMERALD BEYOND, but this is a > complete studio album to show up 25 years after the original Mahavushnu > Orchestra disbanded. One of the greatest records of all time is > Mahavishnu's APOCALYPSE with Michael Tilson Thomas conducting the London > Symphony Orchestra. McLaughlin's work with SHAKTI is also truly sublime. > Yo, I've got Trident Sessions and it sure is great. Didn't know about his work with Joni though. You might want to check another underrated jazz guitarist: Kevin Eubanks (started out in Art Blakey's Messengers late 70's, then solo, then the Late Show). Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:00:06 From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Saturday w/JM- my report "Stephen Epstein" wrote: <> First of all thanks Stephen and Kakki for the wonderful report. For all UK and European listers, this could be our opportunity to get some sort of connection with Joni. Apparently she'll be in London in November, maybe we could hang around some grill or cafe bar waiting for her to turn up. Problem is: there are thousands of cafes in London... Any ideas? Raffaele _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 03:33:00 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: shall we dance? NJC Folks, Ashara has suggested a wonderful new venue for Jonifest 2002. There are so many spaces and so much time available that I couldn't help but wonder: could we take up some of that space and spend some of that time dancing? I guess this is a suggestion for a thread: what would it take to get y'all off your butts and onto the dance floor? Here are some ideas. JAMES BROWN: Night Train; Papa's Got a Brand New Bag CLYDE McPHATTER and the DRIFTERS: Ruby Baby THE BEACH BOYS: I Get Around "BIG" JOE TURNER: Shake, Rattle, and Roll; Corrina, Corrina DORIS TROY: Just One Look SMOKEY ROBINSON and the MIRACLES: I Second That Emotion THE SUPREMES: Where Did Our Love Go? RAY CHARLES: Lonely Avenue (for slow dancing......;-) Any other ideas? We could have ourselves some serious fun.... Roberto _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:03:34 +0100 From: Subject: Re: Cleaning the bathtub (NJC) Welcome back Steve. Glad you didn't stay away for long. It's not too late to post your folkie desert island 10. :). Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:44:58 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re:Covers #22, reporting for duty! This has been one of my favorite covers to date. Thanks Bob and to all the contributors. I've been playing #22 over and over since Friday. Christine Sullivan just knocks me over, and Joanne Blouin is superb too. Of course there's no one like Lydia Van Dam, and I will always thank Uncle John and Monica in Holland for her wonderful CD. Thanks again Bob, and for you folks that don't have any of the "Joni covers", definitely GET THIS one!!!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:20:40 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: John McLaughlin and Joni <> Tell you what, Clark...send me that covers preview with Osmond doing "2GR" & I'll send you those Mingus demos! ;~)** Bob NP: XTC, "Roads Girdle The Globe" **Bullsh*t alert...neither Clark nor I have the recordings mentioned in this post. Additionally, Clark was NOT the lead in "A Strange Boy". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 08:33:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re:Covers #22, reporting for duty! <> I'm happy to make a copy of this collection (or any of the previous volumes) for anybody who'd like them. Just let me know offlist and I'll get you hooked up! In the meantime, if you're feeling lucky, maybe you can scam a FREEBIE copy of Volume #22! Tell me a Joni song and the album it appears on, and whoever's closest wins! Last month we had a double winner, Blair & Brian. Someone will win, it may as well be you! :~) Be sure and send me your guess privately...and if you want any additioanl info about Joni's covers, check out "Joni Undercover" at the JMDL site. (Note: International terrorists, or those who house them, are not eligible for this contest!) So...let the games begin! Bob NP: XTC, "millions" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:52:48 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: John McLaughlin and Joni ...thank God for that. I can stop screaming now. Les (London) >Bob > >**Bullsh*t alert...neither Clark nor I have the recordings mentioned in >this post. Additionally, Clark was NOT the lead in "A Strange Boy". _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: (njc) More navel gazing (silly, but no lint), and sincere questions... > What isp would y'all suggest for someone > with a five-year-old computer and no money? http://www.netzero.com, but be sure to read the fine print, as the "free" service is good for only 10 hours per month. Otherwise, it's $9.95 which is pretty inexpensive as ISPs go. http://www.juno.com is owned by the same company as NetZero (http://www.unitedonline.net), and offers a similar service. I've used both NetZero's and Juno's free services, and other than annoying ads, they work fine. (And you know, there may be more ...) > I understand "hotmail" is free.. are there others? MSN's Hotmail isn't an internet service provider, and it's free only to the extent that you can obtain a free email account with storage limitations (similar to Yahoo's free email). Good luck, Walt! Lori in MD ~ Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: (NJC) Cheryl Wheeler ... ... will be at the Birchmere in Alexandria, VA, on 1/26/02! (And Livingston Taylor will be there on 12/30/01.) Here's the link to the latest calendar(s): http://www.birchmere.com/calendar/GeoCalendar2.2/index.cfm Lori, knowing she'd better do what's good for her ... and wondering if any other JMDLers want to come along? ~ Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 11:24:51 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Joni in Stereophile magazine October 2001 Comparisons between the LP and CD editions of Joni Mitchell's Court and Spark....have always had me concluding that compared to the LP's the CD's were good but lacked resolution of inner detail, transient speed, transparency, natural decay, and overall musical excitement. Going from the Gold CD to the LP of Court and Spark, for instance, is usually like removing a sound-muffling. defocusing blanket separating me from the performance. On most players I've heard, what the CD fogs over and the LP reveals is Mitchell's location in a vocal booth, her pedal work on the piano, and the instrument's location and size. The 3D's [a $5000 cd player] performance on Court and Spark was impressive: I heard all of those things easily. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 08:58:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Three Spaces Left NJC Hi again This is last call for being a part of the cdr of the month. We have three spaces left, first come, first served. If I don't hear from anyone in the next couple of days, the nine of us who are already involved are going to go ahead and get started. If you missed the post when I proposed this idea, here's what we're doing: Basically, a group of twelve people from this list will make a cdr compilation and send it to the others. Once a month, one of the twelve makes a compilation and mails it to the other eleven. So, you have to mail out 12 cdr's, once, and in return get a cdr a month for an entire year. Sound fun? Let me know if you want in, or want more details. Tyler Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 09:00:21 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: John McLaughlin (njc) My favorite JM is the early, pre Mahavishnu stuff: Miles Davis, Tony Willams, etc. I just got the rerelease of Miroslav Vitous's 1970 debut album 'Infinite Search' which has JM (and everybody else) at peak form. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:21:35 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: an hour with Joni Anne said if she could spend 1 hour with Joni... "I'd play one or two of my songs for her and we'd look at the lyrics. I'd ask her what she honestly thought." Wow, Anne! I've always admired your courage, but this might take the cake! Even Sir Elton admitted to being a little intimidated in her presence. But what a great way to spend time with her! I hope you get that hour someday. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 09:52:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Saturday w/JM- my report- rather long stephen wrote, "thrilling to be able to share it with a like-minded lister instead of a friend who just doesn't get it the same way we all do!" thanks stephen! yes, that makes it all the sweeter that the 2 of you shared this together...it strikes me as so perfect that joni, with homes in los angeles & vancouver (area) met the 2 of you...kakki from la & stephen from vancouver! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:28:39 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: an hour with Joni Gee Jack, I'm not sure how I should take this (LOL) Well, I've always considered her my teacher when it comes to writing lyrics. I'd love to get a 'grade.' lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:50:49 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Is there a devil? (njc) I've often wondered about this but today I was glad and realized that I no longer need to... "Don't you know there's no Devil, It's just God when he's drunk." Tom Waits Victor in Athens NP: Tom Waits "Jersey Girl"...always makes me think of you Rose : o D Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 15:17:50 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Tony Blair (njc) Anybody else catch Tony Blair's speech today. I was very impressed. I found his words very eloquent, moving, and heartfelt. I could really believe in what he was saying and was glad to hear from another country, and how deeply they have been affected as well. I can't help thinking too, how interesting it is that the first "Lord of the Rings" movie opens in theatres this December. Men, dwarves, elves, hobbits...all must come together to defeat Sauron, the dark riders, the twisted grotesque orcs who were once elves, Saruman, who was once good but opens his heart to evil and and betrays those who trusted him. As we embark on this war against terrorism, I can't help seeing how this ultimate battle between good and evil, is mirrored so well in Tolkien's world. A couple of things Tony Blair said really stood out. One thing in particular was when he said that going to war would be costly, but that to do nothing would be far worse. It has really hit me that despite many hardships this year, I am very grateful for the freedom that we have, and that while the United States is not perfect, this really isn't just about the United States..it involves the whole world...there is nothing that could justify the attack on the World Trade Center...it was an act of pure evil and in no way was it deserved. And no, I do not wish to enlist, which is somewhat of a moot point anyway as I have had suich poor health this year, and I will sit in my living room and drink a martini and will be glad for the freedom and the beauty that I have been able to find in life, and be thankful for all the beauty that is yet to come. Stephen and Kakki, thanks so much for relaying your experience with Joni. I found it very moving and was really glad you were able to connect with her. I miss you both! Victor in Athens Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 12:39:26 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's upcoming project Raffaele wrote: >For all UK and European listers, this could be our >opportunity to get some sort of connection with Joni. >Apparently she'll be in London in November, maybe we > could hang around some grill or cafe bar waiting for her >to turn up. You'll have to send in any news you hear on this. It would be nice if you can listen in a bit, too! This was posted here before but after talking with her last weekend I wanted to think again about the songs she will be reworking. She is very much into this project. This ought to be a completely awesome work. Here's what she said in the recent Billboard interview: "I'm recording 24 of my songs, with handpicked players from the [London] Philharmonic and some of the BBC's players to make the strongest orchestra we can put together in London. We did the last one that way, and now we're doing a two-record set of new arrangements of my music that we'll record in November for Reprise." Which songs has she selected for the program? "The ones that have classical compositional aspects," she says, citing "Coyote," "The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song)," "Judgement of the Moon and Stars (Ludwig's Tune)," "For the Roses," "Just Like This Train," and "The Last Time I Saw Richard." "Also," she adds, " 'Refuge of the Roads,' for instance, translates really beautifully to this approach, as does 'Borderline' and 'Cherokee Louise.' We're also doing 'The Dawntreader' from my first record. I'm just distilling what I think are essential songs in terms of my best writing but bearing in mind what translates to symphonic production." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 14:41:00 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Is there a devil? (njc) Dear Victor: I had a good laugh over the Waits quote. :) In regard to the war...I can tell you that I am glad my sons and daughters are no longer of 'draft' age because if they were we would be moving to Canada. Love and peace........Sharon NLT: Lyle Lovett "You've Been So Good Up To Now" and "All my Love Is Gone" Victor Johnson wrote: > > I've often wondered about this but today I was glad and realized that I no > longer need to... > > "Don't you know there's no Devil, It's just God when he's drunk." Tom Waits > > Victor in Athens > > NP: Tom Waits "Jersey Girl"...always makes me think of you Rose : o D > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 12:32:25 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: Is there a devil? (njc) At 02:50 PM 10/2/01 -0400, Victor Johnson wrote: >I've often wondered about this but today I was glad and realized that I no >longer need to... > >"Don't you know there's no Devil, It's just God when he's drunk." Tom Waits > >Victor in Athens Can it be that God's just the Devil when he's drunk? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:31:05 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Shadows and Light biography I had to pop into Helter Skelter bookshop today and was pleased to see Karen O'Brien's book on sale already - (officially not published until this Friday) - displayed with a sign saying 'Book of the Month', along with quite a few promotional posters throughout the shop - and they were playing 'Blue' in the shop, which made my visit a whole lot longer than I'd intended!! Found myself browsing the shelves and singing out loud a couple of times - embarrassing - I can't take myself anywhere!! PaulC jfp; 'The Kiss' by Ghostland (an old Judee Sill song, vocals by Jane Siberry) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 16:45:38 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light biography Paul Castle wrote: > I had to pop into Helter Skelter bookshop today > and was pleased to see Karen O'Brien's book > on sale already - (officially not published until this > Friday) - displayed with a sign saying 'Book of the > Month', along with quite a few promotional posters > throughout the shop - and they were playing 'Blue' > in the shop, which made my visit a whole lot longer > than I'd intended!! Found myself browsing the shelves > and singing out loud a couple of times - embarrassing - > I can't take myself anywhere!! It isn't listed yet in Books In Print. Does anyone have any idea of when and if it will be published in the U.S. or Canada? Must we beg, borrow, and cajole or British cohorts across the ocean??!! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 13:43:17 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni smoking (NJC) next time look....that's if there is a next time? ;-} Take care, Bree >From: "John van Tiel" >Reply-To: "John van Tiel" >To: , >Subject: Re: Joni smoking (NJC) >Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2001 21:04:39 +0200 > >"Do you smoke after sex?" >"Don't know. Never looked." > > >Bree wrote: > (smokes after sex,you know, for me that's has >always been the best part) ;-) (something to look forward to) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:54:12 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Re: Joni smoking (NJC) To bree or not to bree(d)? That's the question. From: Bree Mcdonough > next time look....that's if there is a next time? ;-} > > Take care, > Bree > > > >From: "John van Tiel" > > > >"Do you smoke after sex?" > >"Don't know. Never looked." > > > > > >Bree wrote: > > (smokes after sex,you know, for me that's has > >always been the best part) ;-) (something to look forward to) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 16:03:12 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Joni smoking (NJC) quest on John van Tiel wrote: > > To bree or not to bree(d)? > That's the question. > > From: Bree Mcdonough > > > next time look....that's if there is a next time? ;-} > > > > Take care, > > Bree > > > > > > >From: "John van Tiel" > > > > > >"Do you smoke after sex?" > > >"Don't know. Never looked." > > > > > > > > >Bree wrote: > > > (smokes after sex,you know, for me that's has > > >always been the best part) ;-) (something to look forward to) > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:30:51 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Thanks (njc) Hi, all Just a quick thanks to all the jmdlers who responded to my most recent car-commercial musical questions (Stephen, Victor, Brenda), and my isp question (Lori). Oh, and an apology for my fecking up when I sent the Guinness Records forward, which showed up like three times because I forgot to clean it up before I forwarded it. ciao, walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:47:13 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Shadows and Light biography Cindy wrote: > you *did* already start begging for the promo posters, right???? Cindy - no, foolishly it never crossed my mind - but I'll have a go at tracking one down for you - it was a blow up of the front cover. Had a good day today - also went to Cheapo Cheapo Records in Berwick Street and picked up the Ghostland CD and an old favourite of mine (which I hadn't up-graded to CD) - Phoebe Snow's first album - for 4 quid each! PaulC, aka the absent minded jmdler np: Harpo's Blues by Phoebe Snow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:49:22 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Desert island 10 (NJC) >Welcome back Steve. Glad you didn't stay away for long. It's not too >late to post your folkie desert island 10. :). Thanks, Philip! Hmmmm....in no particular order: 1. Tanglewood Tree - Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer 2. Revival - Gillian Welch 3. Roses in the Snow - Emmylou Harris 4. Arthur - The Kinks 5. Hejira - you know who 6. Workingman's Dead - GD 7. Revolver - Beatles 8. Highway 61 Revisited - The Bob 9. Steve Gillette - Steve Gillette 10. Moondance - The Van Man Kind of heavy on the '60s, eh? - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:59:44 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: OK more of a report - long ;-) "Mark or Travis" wrote: >> Please, there may be children reading this ... "lecky deck" is >preferred. >> >> -Fred > >ROTFLMAO!!!! Thank you, Fred!! My pleasure ... anything to lighten the load. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 23:16:06 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Joni smoking (NJC) > > From: Bree Mcdonough > > > > > next time look....that's if there is a next time? ;-} Sharon wrote: > quest on Need any help? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 18:46:50 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) Blair's speech was deeply moving. I happened to hear it over BBC via NPR, live, today, as I was late for work. No one in our government is capable of making a speech like that - it was intelligent, reasoned, eloquent, stirring - oratory in the best of senses. One of the most moving speeches that I have ever heard, ever. Considering that I am not at all in favor of the military course of action that Blair was clearly laying out, it was such a "rally to the cause" speech based on substance and appeal to conscience that I was ready to enlist - well, not quite, but it was that moving of a speech. How I wish the issues could be framed in this country with that eloquence. British JMDLers, does Blair always speak like that, or was that an exception for him? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 18:54:04 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Chicago Chefs United for Disaster Relief CHICAGO CHEFS, GOVERNOR, MAYOR, AND CARDINAL UNITE TO AID ATTACK VICTIMS More than 50 of Chicago's top restaurants and chefs will come together Monday, October 8th, in a fundraising effort to aid victims of the September 11 terrorist attacks. The event, Chicago Chefs United for Disaster Relief will take place in Chicago's Navy Pier Ballroom from 5:30-8:30. A440 Music Group has been asked to produce the music for the event, which will include Chicago vocalist Jackie Allen, pianist Fred Simon, and Steve Cole. Hope to see you there for an evening of fine food, drink, music and, most importantly, a good cause. Tickets are $50 and may be purchased by calling the Illinois Restaurant Association at 312/787-4000. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 17:54:57 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) No one in our government is capable of making a speech like that. that statement is a more than farfetched, although I too am a fan of Tony Blair. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vince Lavieri" To: "Victor Johnson" Cc: "joni" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) > Blair's speech was deeply moving. I happened to hear it over BBC via > NPR, live, today, as I was late for work. > > No one in our government is capable of making a speech like that - it > was intelligent, reasoned, eloquent, stirring - oratory in the best of > senses. One of the most moving speeches that I have ever heard, ever. > Considering that I am not at all in favor of the military course of > action that Blair was clearly laying out, it was such a "rally to the > cause" speech based on substance and appeal to conscience that I was > ready to enlist - well, not quite, but it was that moving of a speech. > How I wish the issues could be framed in this country with that > eloquence. > > British JMDLers, does Blair always speak like that, or was that an > exception for him? > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 19:14:36 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's upcoming project AAAHHH! While I'm more of a fan of Joni's mid 70's on, "The Dawntreader" is one of my early favorites. I can't wait to hear these new versions. I've been listening a lot to the Hissing demos and to Chalkmark in a Rainstorm, both of which I find extremely soothing. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:20:43 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: njc, wish Anne well ! To reiterate, Anne has asked us all to send a vocal get well message to play in the operating room. For those outside of the USA who want to get a voice "get well" wish for Anne, Ashara's phone hours equate to 1PM GMT through 8PM GMT (Greenwich Mean Time). Thanks, Jim At 05:17 PM 10/1/01 -0400, AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: would be to leave a message on my home answering machine, which is the >Megaphone program on my computer. I can convert their messages to wav. files >and then transfer them to CD. > >My home number is 864-233-7584. I don't mind if you put that info out to the >list, it may help especially overseas folks. > >The **important** note would be that they have to call between 8AM and 3PM >EST, otherwise they'll either get a busy signal (Dad or son on internet or >phone), or son will pick up thinking it could be girlfriend.>> > >A MILLION thanks for this info, Bob!! I intend to take you up on this >immediately! It also solves the problem with getting everything in a timely >manner before Anne goes in for her operation. > >Hugs, >Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:28:17 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: John & Beverley Martyn (NJC) I was trying to find a copy of John and Beverley Martyn's album 'Stormbringer' today after seeing John Martyn on several deserts. Couldn't find it, but I did find an interview with his ex-wife, Beverley - a lovely voice, to my ear - and currently playing the clubs again - and discovered something I'd never known - that it was her English voice on Paul Simon's 'Fakin' it' saying, "Good Morning Mr Leitch" see http://home.wanadoo.nl/hvandenberk/words/01wor03.htm 'Stormbringer' and John's 'Bless the Weather' could both make it onto my desert - and for those interested in Nick Drake, Beverley talks about the close friendship between the three of them, writing together, etc. The site, a Dutch one, called 'Big Muff' (named after a foot pedal, presumably?) also has an interview with John where he talks about his song for Nick, 'Solid Air'. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 00:44:53 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Joni's New Project- Fantasies Hello All I was just thinking about wouldn't it be fantastic if Joni would consider doing Slouching Towards Bethlehem with the orchestra? I can imagine a wall of percussion and this outlandish, I dunno, bombastic (for the want of a better word...) brass and this swirling strings section and of course, soaring all over this, would be Joni's voice, raging and raging... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:33:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dogs, cats, cigarettes and cappucinos - NJC Was I dreaming, or did I read something from Paz the other night? Of course, I am behind in my reading. - --- M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 13:12:01 -0700 "Kakki" > wrote: > > > Welcome back Steve, Roberto & Vince - XOXOX > > Yes! Welcome back!!!! > > Now if only Paz would return.... Ashara? > > Love, > > Marian Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: shall we dance? NJC - --- Robert Holliston wrote: > Folks, > Ashara has suggested a wonderful new venue for > Jonifest 2002. There are so > many spaces and so much time available that I > couldn't help but wonder: > could we take up some of that space and spend some > of that time dancing? > I guess this is a suggestion for a thread: what > would it take to get y'all > off your butts and onto the dance floor? I kind of dig a polka :D Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:52:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Is there a devil? (njc) - --- "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > Dear Victor: > > I had a good laugh over the Waits quote. :) In > regard to the war...I > can tell you that I am glad my sons and daughters > are no longer of > 'draft' age because if they were we would be moving > to Canada. > a) If the devil is just God when he's drunk, he sure can be a mean ol' drunk! b) Funny you should mention draft-age and so on. It occurred to me that right now I'm too old and my kids are too young... unless this thing goes on and on and on c) I'm not so sure Canada would be a safe haven this time - I agree with whoever (Victor?) said this is the world's issue - it really is, as you can tell from the reaction of just about every country in the world. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:57:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: John & Beverley Martyn (NJC) - --- Paul Castle wrote: > John [Martyn]'s 'Bless the Weather' could > both > make it onto my desert Me too - I love John Martyn - been listening to a lot of him lately (whatever I can beg, borrow and steal!) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:58:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's New Project- Fantasies - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Hello All > > I was just thinking about > > wouldn't it be fantastic if Joni would consider > doing Slouching Towards > Bethlehem with the orchestra? I can imagine a wall > of percussion and this > outlandish, I dunno, bombastic (for the want of a > better word...) brass and > this swirling strings section and of course, soaring > all over this, would be > Joni's voice, raging and raging... Yes! This sounds fantastic! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 20:00:18 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) then again Vince after hearing Tony again, followed by the bumpkin, you very well may be right. Where oh where, are you, FDR? Mack Funny, on Yahoo political chat, tony is derided constantly. then again, the average person there spends most of their time in the barn. lol - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dolphie Bush" To: "joni" Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) > No one in our government is capable of making a speech like that. that > statement is a more than farfetched, although I too am a fan of Tony Blair. > > Mack > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vince Lavieri" > To: "Victor Johnson" > Cc: "joni" > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 5:46 PM > Subject: Re: Tony Blair (njc) > > > > Blair's speech was deeply moving. I happened to hear it over BBC via > > NPR, live, today, as I was late for work. > > > > No one in our government is capable of making a speech like that - it > > was intelligent, reasoned, eloquent, stirring - oratory in the best of > > senses. One of the most moving speeches that I have ever heard, ever. > > Considering that I am not at all in favor of the military course of > > action that Blair was clearly laying out, it was such a "rally to the > > cause" speech based on substance and appeal to conscience that I was > > ready to enlist - well, not quite, but it was that moving of a speech. > > How I wish the issues could be framed in this country with that > > eloquence. > > > > British JMDLers, does Blair always speak like that, or was that an > > exception for him? > > > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #456 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?