From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #449 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 449 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- two questions NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: !!!!!!!!!!!!!! - NJC ["Leslie Ross" ] Today in Joni History: September 28 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: September 28 [les@jmdl.com] Vince [ReckersL@ebrd.com] Re: dryer lint (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: So ripe and Ready to diminish and deride NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: !!!!!!!!!!!!!! - NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: dryer lint (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] re: 10 desert island songs [mintagli@ypf.com.ar] Re: dryer lint (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: dryer lint (NJC) [slarty ] Re: dryer lint (NJC) [slarty ] Re: dryer lint (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: dryer lint (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Dryer lint! NJC [Steve Polifka ] RE: Dryer lint! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] desert island songs + Jimi question, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Middle East Chronology Pt2, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Let us melt tempers....hot emotions...SEX (njc) ["Lori R. Fye" ] NJC Re: Old MacJoni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] bob 'n joni ["shane mattison" ] Tr: An interesting message from an Afghan, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: dryer lint (NJC) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: dryer lint (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: dryer lint (NJC) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: dryer lint (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: dryer lint (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] boring topics/Star Trek NJC [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] Re: dryer lint (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] RE: dryer lint (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] digest 447 ["joe farrell" ] Re: !!!!!!!!!!!! NJC [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Let us melt tempers....hot emotions...SEX (njc) ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: two questions NJC >>It seems to me the JMDL could be a much safer place if people confine themselves to boring topics. << When was safety ever a good reason to visit anywhere? >>The song "Gin" on the Amy Correia CD I've been praising reminds me a lot of "Down To You". Both are one-night-stand songs, detailing the futility & emptiness of that experience.<< What's so futile and empty about a one-night-stand? If only I could make a relationship last that long. mike in bcn, listening to bjork, 'pagan poetry' ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:44:21 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: !!!!!!!!!!!!!! - NJC Wonderful, wonderful news. Well done all. Real joy! Les (London) >From: Bruyere >Please celebrate with me the joyful birth of my grandson Colin Thomas >Mahoney! Much love and happiness to you all! >Heather ( the exhausted birthing coach :-) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 03:50:52 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: September 28 On September 28 in Joni Mitchell History: 1968: Joni joins Fairport Convention on the bill of a one-night Festival of Contemporary Song at London's Festival Hall. Jonis first album "Song to a Seagull" is released in the United Kingdom today on Reprise Records. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 03:50:52 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: September 28 On September 28 these articles were published: 1968: "Joni, The Seagull From Saskatoon" - Melody Maker (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/680928mm.cfm 1998: "Playful Aggression" - Daily Telegraph (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980928dt.cfm 1998: "Taming the Tiger" - Calgary Sun (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980928cs.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 633 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:45:44 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: Vince I am sticking to my resolve not to continue the debate about the points I made a few days ago (I have replied to a few posts off-list, which have hopefully helped to clarify) because the debate becomes endless and meanwhile other people are bored stiff by it all... I thought the viewpoint offered by Jim was very interesting, as I read it I had to agree with much of it - but then I also had to agree with the people who argued back with him (Julius, Kate B, etc) - and that's just great! Best proof of all what a good, thought provoking debate it was, without any offense or egos hurt! This I find the best experience of a list like this: to see there are so many truths, ways of looking at things, and all can be right depending on one's perception, mood, etc... But Paul has managed to make me speak out again strongly about something else. I just want to support fully what Ashara is saying, and I'm so glad she is saying it. It IS indeed downright nasty to say good riddance to Vince, and I am sure the vast majority of us, lurkers included, could not agree. At least not if they have bothered to read Vince's postings for a while. I am saying this as someone who comes from a very religious upbringing but who has grown through the agnostic stage to a purely atheist one. (Not meaning that I am sure there is no god - how could we know, reality is more complex than our brain can grasp - but I don't believe there is a god who cares, who judges us and rewards us or interferes in any way. feel strongly that we must care for each other and do the right thing for the simple reason of being human, not because a god tells us so.) Anyway, I'd never thought I'd be the one to speak up for a vicar, a reverend. I was wary of his title when I first saw it. I don't agree with everything he says, but my goodness, he is a decent human being who tries to get to the truth in the most honest way he can, and he has made a lot of very valid points, and I have acres of respect for him. I saw the message from Debra that upset him, it made me go "what?!!" too, because I thought he had only been counter arguing a broad statement with facts, and I was surprised this comment came from Debra, from what I thought I knew about Debra from her previous writings. Anyway, I thought Vince would defend himself and he and Debra would clarify things and understand each other and no harm done etc... So although I had expected him to react, I was very surprised he reacted in such a hurt way. But I have respect for his hurt. No, it is not someone going off in a huff because someone else disagrees, it is someone being deeply hurt, feeling so misunderstood by someone he thought would understand him. I'm not putting the blame on Debra at all, Vince was probably going through a tough time anyway and as I said I'm sure he and Debra could have sorted that out, as Kakki and I did. But for someone like Paul and others to then put the boot in and turn his hurt into a joke, is cruel and infantile and just unworthy of this list. (And I would have said the same if people had reacted that way if Kakki had decided to leave.) It makes it double as hard for Vince to ever return, and I tell you now: I'd rather have the Reverend Vince on the list than those shallow callous sniggerers who've come out of the woodwork. Ha, now I've done some name calling, and you know what? I'm not sorry, I'm feeling very much better for it! If anyone wants to join me in trying to get Vince to come back, then please do speak up! All the best to you all and have a nice weekend, Lieve. "So.......because "several" people agree with you, it's "OK" to be mean? > okay Bob, now I'd like you to six degree dryer lint to Joni. Good luck! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:39:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: So ripe and Ready to diminish and deride NJC In a message dated 9/27/01 11:31:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us writes: > Maybe I need to pay more attention to Colin! (lol) Not that I > ignore him, but I missed that along the way... > Speaking of missing, where the hell is Catman anyway? He must be busy knitting Maggie's sweater ;0) Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 08:01:26 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: !!!!!!!!!!!!!! - NJC It's a Boy!!! Congratulations Grandma and all!!!! rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 14:16:12 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) Jimmy wrote: > okay Bob, now I'd like you to six degree dryer lint to Joni. Good luck! I'll let Bob handle that one (I suspect Des Moines - left back for Oxford United - 1963-66 - renowned for his dryer lint clay sculptures - might come in handy, though!) I discovered some fun things to do with it on the Official Dryer Lint website:- >Dryer Lint Clay >1 1/2 c Lint from the dryer >1 c Water >1/2 c Regular flour >2 drops Wintergreen mint flavouring >(What the heck is this for.. To make it taste better?) >Old newspaper >Paint >Place the lint in a saucepan and cover it with the water. >When the lint is saturated, add the flour and stir until it is smooth. >Add the drops of wintergreen oil flavouring. >Cook the mixture, stirring constantly, until it forms peaks and >holds together. (Serve steaming hot to freinds and family.. Echhh.) >Pour it onto newspaper to cool. >Shape and model figures, or cover a form with it, such as a balloon. >Allow to dry for 3 to 5 days, then paint and decorate as required. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >In the spring and summer, put dryer lint and bits of string on tree >branches so that birds can use it to build nests. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >Handy fire starter. Save lint out of lint filter in clothes dryer. >Place lint under kindling and use as tinder. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >Use it as padding when shipping small items through the mail. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >Put it in the compost pile.. Or maybe you can use it as insulation. >But I guess when all else fails.. You can throw it away like everyone else. >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - >TIP: Clean your lint trap often.. It saves energy, And you'll get more lint to >have fun with! The site also requests you to "Stick your finger in the dryer to check out the lint guy project!" but I just can't get up the courage to go there! see http://www.users.vance.net/tprewitt/lint.htm PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:39:02 -0300 From: mintagli@ypf.com.ar Subject: re: 10 desert island songs 1. What goes on, The Velvet Underground 2. Time after time, Chet Baker 3. Song for Sharon, Joni 4. Joga, Bjork 5. Northern sky, Nick Drake 6. Crenza, Milton Nascimento 7. Derradeira primavera, Tom Jobim 8. Happiness is a warm gun, The Beatles 9. Ballade de Melody Nelson, Serge Gainsbourg 10. Everything in its right place, Radiohead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:29:23 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) In a message dated 9/28/01 9:17:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: << Use it as padding when shipping small items through the mail. >> Don't give Bob any ideas Paul. Now the next Joni "covers" CD I get from him will be padded with his dryer AND belly button lint. Yuck!!! :~) Happy Friday everyone! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:47:41 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) If you've got a baby who won't go to sleep and keeps on crying from teething or what ever stick them on top of the dryer. The little monster will be asleep in no time. Oh yes make sure that the child seat is secure and that it won't shake off the dryer from the vibration. You want them asleep not unconscious. Maybe jan wrote: > > I've often sat upon washers when they go through the spin cycle. > -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:51:22 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) I'll bet Collin could knit something for the Queen with it. > Mr. Muller writes: > > < interesting!>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:27:31 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) <> Not a problem, Jimmy...here goes: 1. The song "Lint", performed by The Outsiders, appears on the CD soundtrack to the film "Three to Tango" 2. On the same soundtrack, Brian Setzer performs a song he wrote titled "Jumpin' East of Java". 3. The same Brian Setzer performs a song called "Nosey Joe" on his (excellent) CD "The Dirty Boogie", written by Lieber/Stoller. 4. Lieber/Stoller also wrote "(You're So Square)Baby, I Don't Care", which Joni covers on WTRF. So, only FOUR steps needed...and as always, It ALWAYS comes back to Joni! :~) Bob NP: The Rembrandts, "Making Plans For Nigel" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:30:37 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: dryer lint (NJC) bob!!!!!!!! pure genius!!!!! wk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 28 de Septiembre de 2001 11:28 a.m. Para: "FMY FL"@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: dryer lint (NJC) <> Not a problem, Jimmy...here goes: NP: The Rembrandts, "Making Plans For Nigel" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:42:16 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Dryer lint! NJC >From: "Mark or Travis" >Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) > well, dryer lint turns me on. i have often pictured myself lying in the nude > in a pile of dryer lint. suddenly, ed harris enters the laundry basement and > says, ''hey, all that lint is a fire hazard''. and i say, ''that's the idea, > baby...'' > wallyK >Ed Harris, did you say? Move over, Wally! Make room for me! >Mark E Sorry guys! He's MINE I tell you! The other thing about dryer lint... Last time I was on a date and we got, ahem, COZY,I noticed he was starting his own collection- and carrying it around with him... (I wonder if he knows Ed Harris...) Steve not a fan of dryer lint-at least not until he sees ED Harris... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:49:48 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Dryer lint! NJC well, if i can't have ed's navel lint, i'll settle for muller's. wk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Steve Polifka Enviado el: Viernes, 28 de Septiembre de 2001 11:42 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Dryer lint! NJC Steve not a fan of dryer lint-at least not until he sees ED Harris... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:10:35 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: desert island songs + Jimi question, NJC In alphabetical order: Chuck Berry: Johnny B. Goode (a version with Johnnie Johnson on piano, the king of boogie and such a humble and kind man) James Brown: Sex Machine Ry Cooder: The Very Thing (from Bop till you Drop, I figured out the open tuning but man is that hard to play, does anybody have it figured out for guitar?) David Crosby: Guinnevere (she had green eyes...) Jimi Hendrix: Villanova Junction Blues (from Woodstock) John Hiatt: Stood Up (my own "theme song") Little Village: Inside Job (I figured out the guitar part but it's incredibly hard to get the band to synchronize) John McLaughlin: Lotus Feet (Mahavishnu or Shakti version) Joni Mitchell: Woodstock (live S&L version, I could make a loop and listen to it all day long) ZZ Top: Cheap Sunglasses (from the live Deguello, one of the best rock songs ever, with a solo from hell) Thanks for the 2 concert impressions of Jimi that were posted. What I'd really like to know is: did you FEEL a special vibe/energy or was it just another great rock concert? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:48:29 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Middle East chronology, NJC Hello Marian, I appreciate the "balancing". I hate to add more fuel but I disagree with some of your facts. Just a few, to keep it short: > 1936 > The Palestinians held a six-month General Strike to protest against the > confiscation of land and Jewish immigration. You forget the countless massacres of Jews by Arabs through the 20's and the 30's. As you very well pointed out, the small number of Jews at the time was no threat to Arabs. > > April-May 1948 > Massacres of Palestinians by Zionist groups such as the Stern Gang and > and Irgun throughout Palestine. (This was Menechem Begin, who pioneered > truck bombs in hotel basements and crowded streets) > You forget the siege of Jerusalem by Arabs. All truck convoys were attacked in order to starve the Jewish population of Jerusalem. Zionists were forced to frighten villages surrounding the Tel Aviv-Jerusalem road from where the attacks came from. True there was 1 village not surrounding the road where Stern or Irgun (I don't remember which) began killing Arabs, but the execution was stopped by the unexpected arrival of religious Jews who wouldn't let it continue. Hence there were survivors to tell the story (I saw one interviewed on tape). Also, with few exceptions, Jewish terrorist groups were after British targets, not civilians. > 1948 > British forces withdrew from Palestine in May and the Zionists > proclaimed the state of Israel without defining its borders. (?????) Arab armies > moved to defend the Palestinians. > Absolutely not. What happened was the Arabs decided to make a big media coup out of the killing in the Arab village mentioned above. They spread exagerated "news" about horrible killings and as a result hundreds of thousands of Palestinians left out of fear. Also Arab armies declared war even before Israel's declaration of independance and asked the Palestinians to leave to allow them to throw back Jews into the sea, and they also said the Palestinians would come back after the 'table rase". From interviews of the Arab leaders who decided to make this big media coup, they admit this was their biggest mistake since, as you know, Palestinians could not come back with the victorious Arab armies. I've already beaten up the issue about Jerusalem so I won't go back to it now. You need to realize that Palestinians have been USED by 1) super-powers to keep a war zone over which they could exert their influence, 2) Arab countries, who are not democracies, and therefore divert the attention of their often starving masses to a common enemy: Israel. The Palestinians are the only group of refugees in the 20th century that has not been integrated by the country they now reside in (Jordan, Lebanon, etc). In fact, let me remind you as an example that after the Gulf War Kuwait expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians, even the ones who were born and raised there, because of their support for Saddam. At the end of the day, none of this historical/chronological stuff really matters. What does matter is the hate and the Palestinians' refusal to make compromises today. They want it all! I am posting another article on this very topic. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:52:26 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Middle East Chronology Pt2, NJC Palestinians: Israel Simply is Not Yours September 9, 2001 BY NEIL STEINBERG SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST Why does the United States control immigration from Mexico? The answer is simple. As much as the United States is a melting pot of races and cultures, it does have a certain makeup, a comfortable balance. The Latino population is 12 percent and growing. Should the floodgates open and the nation suddenly find itself 40 or 50 percent Latino, well, it would be a different sort of place. Maybe better, maybe worse-I won't enter into that. But I think it is fairly uncontroversial to say that the United States tries to keep change at a certain crawling pace. All countries do this. The Australians turn away a ship filled with Afghan refugees; Germans foam about the Turks in their midst. The Japanese consider descendants of Koreans who have lived in their country 100 years to be Koreans still. So universal is this idea of keeping Our Side from being too richly seeded with Their Side that it must echo some deep chord of human nature. No doubt a throwback to the 100,000 years or so when we traveled in small tribes and slept in big, smelly piles for warmth at night. Given the basic, in-your-boneness of this desire to maintain the group, it would be almost funny-if it weren't so tragic-to see the Palestinians argue that Israel's attempts to preserve its own identity as a country and keep its people from being blown apart in public places as not only racism, but a particularly loathsome form of racism. To return to the comparison with Mexicans, a number of Americans harbor antipathy toward Mexicans-they want those borders sealed tight. It's a mystery to me. As far as I can tell, the central crimes held against Mexicans once they get here seem to consist largely of working hard at low-paying jobs and tending to speak a language not our own. Now, imagine the reaction if, in addition to these transgressions, Mexicans also lobbied for open borders by every so often showing up unannounced at local malls wrapped in dynamite and nails and blowing themselves up in crowds of shoppers. We'd go berserk. We'd have a big wall along the Rio Grande so high it would put the Great Wall of China to shame. Our racists and haters-who are snarling and straining at their leashes on the best of days-would be liberated to run the countryside. Palestinians reading this will no doubt point out that, unlike Mexicans in the United States, the West Bank and Gaza (and no doubt, Jerusalem and the rest of Israel) are their land. Being a sympathetic sort, I can appreciate the power of that argument-it must be very vexing to spend your life crouching in a blazing sandy nowhere, convinced that some usurper is relaxing in your olive garden. The problem with the Palestinian logic is that it isn't true. It isn't their land-not anymore. Israel has it, and you can complain all you want about the injustices of history, but that doesn't change a thing. The United States got hold of Texas in a manner not nearly so fair and open as the creation of Israel, yet if Mexicans started to blow themselves up at Northbrook Court, trying to get Texas back, they wouldn't make nearly the progress that the Palestinians made before their hunger to have absolutely every inch of Israel undid them. Before the West Bank was Israel's, remember, it was Jordan's. Jordan had it for years. They didn't rush to make it into a Palestinian homeland. The only reason Israel got hold of it was because, in 1967, the Arabs tried, for the third time in 20 years, to destroy Israel. The Israeli Army, as per tradition, kicked their collective butts. It took Gaza and the West Bank and Sinai and would have rolled into Cairo and done the Hora around the pyramids, but with an eye toward future relations, pulled up short. The Egyptians played nice, so they got Sinai back. The Palestinians would have gotten a country already, with stamps and coins and a code of maritime law, had they been able to forget the fact that what they really want is all the Jews in Israel dead and their heads placed on spikes all along the border. You have to stand in awe of a hatred so hard and bitter you'd send your kids out to blow themselves up, just to give the hatred its daily exercise. I find it puzzling, though I try to ask myself how I'd feel if my grandfather fled the country where his family had dwelled for hundreds of years, leaving his land and possessions to be claimed by others. Then I remember, oh yeah, my grandfather did flee the country where his family had dwelled for hundreds of years: Poland. He fled, and those who stayed were slaughtered, every man, woman and child. And you know what? I don't want the family farm in Bialystok back. I don't hate the Poles at all-heck, I consider myself half Polish. The Palestinians, who are scoring points borrowing a page from the Anti-Defamation League playbook for manipulating publicity, could also learn something from Jews when it comes to hatred. Jews have been done wrong all over the place. (I know Palestinians believe the Holocaust never happened, but we're fairly convinced. Nobody from the Polish side of the family shows up at reunions.) Despite this, we are not overwhelmed by hatred, because we know that it doesn't get you anywhere. We've learned a secret-life is precious and short, and hatred only consumes the haters, sometimes literally, in a deafening flash. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Let us melt tempers....hot emotions...SEX (njc) Fun thread, Bree! << If, you could make love to anyone on planet earth besides your significant other, who would that person be and what music would you have playing? >> Joni Mitchell, to the entirety of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Lori in MD ~ Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:18:23 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Old MacJoni Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O. And on this farm she had a Bob, E I E I O And a jonicover here, and a jonicover there, Here a cover, there a cover, Everywhere a jonicover. Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O. And on this farm she had a Paz, E I E I O And a shrimpy shrimp here, and a shrimpy shrimp there, Here a shrimp, there a shrimp Everywhere a shrimpy shrimp. Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O. And on this farm she had a Hell, E I E I O. And a dingo here, and a dingo there, Here a ding, there a ding, Everywhere a fecking dingo. Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O. And on this farm she had a Paul, E I E I O. A correction here, a correction there. Here a [oops], there a [oops.] Better get this song right! Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O. And on this farm she had a Steve, E I E I O. A ganga line here, a ganga line there, Here a gange, there a gange, Everywhere a ganga line. Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O. And on this farm she had a Kakki. E I E I O. A martini here, a martini there. Here an olive, there an olive, Everywhere martini olives. Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O. And on this farm she had a Jimmy. And a piccolo here, and a piccolo there. Here a lo, there a lo, Too many carrot piccolos. Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E IO......... Victor in Athens NP: David Sylvian Dead Bees on a Cake Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 11:27:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Old MacJoni Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O. And on this farm she had a Victor, E I E I O And a new song here, and a new song there, And brand new instruments everywhere, Old Mac Joni had a farm, E I E I O ;~) Bob NP: Joe Jackson, "Statue of Liberty" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:57:06 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: bob 'n joni hi... i have a new bob 'n joni page, with a couple of photos of joni and bob together that you might not have seen before... http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong/cactusbob.html thanx again to all, shane ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:56:42 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: An interesting message from an Afghan, NJC I would guess this is preaching to the converted, but found it interesting- Dear Friends, Yesterday I heard a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age." Ron Owens, on KGO Talk Radio allowed that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage," and he asked, "What else can we do? What is your suggestion?" Minutes later I heard a TV pundit discussing whether we "have the belly to do what must be done." And I thought about these issues especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've never lost track of what's been going on over there. So I want to share a few thoughts with anyone who will listen. I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I fervently wish to see those monsters punished. But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who captured Afghanistan in 1997 and have been holding the country in bondage ever since. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a master plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would love for someone to eliminate the Taliban and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their country. I guarantee it. Some say, if that's the case, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban themselves? The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, damaged, and incapacitated. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan-a country with no economy, no food. Millions of Afghans are widows of the approximately two million men killed during the war with the Soviets. And the Taliban has been executing these women for being women and has buried some of their opponents alive in mass graves. The soil of Afghanistan is littered with land mines and almost all the farms have been destroyed. The Afghan people have tried to overthrow the Taliban. They haven't been able to. We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble with that scheme is, it's already been done. The Soviets took care of it. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? There is no infrastructure. Cut them off from medicine and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only land in the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide. (They have already, I hear.) Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would be making common cause with the Taliban-by raping once again the people they've been raping all this time So what else can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. I think that when people speak of "having the belly to do what needs to be done" many of them are thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. They are thinking about overcoming moral qualms about killing innocent people. But it's the belly to die not kill that's actually on the table. Americans will die in a land war to get Bin Laden. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger than that, folks. To get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I'm going. The invasion approach is a flirtation with global war between Islam and the West. And that is Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he wants and why he did this thing. Read his speeches and statements. It's all right there. AT the moment, of course, "Islam" as such does not exist. There are Muslims and there are Muslim countries, but no such political entity as Islam. Bin Laden believes that if he can get a war started, he can constitute this entity and he'd be running it. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the West wreaks a holocaust in Muslim lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, even better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong about winning, in the end the west would probably overcome-whatever that would mean in such a war; but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden yes, but anyone else? I don't have a solution. But I do believe that suffering and poverty are the soil in which terrorism grows. Bin Laden and his cohorts want to bait us into creating more such soil, so they and their kind can flourish. We can't let him do that. That's my humble opinion. Tamim Ansary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 17:58:23 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: The original Presidents address before revisions, NJC Fwd: The original Presidents address before revisions > > Good evening my fellow Americans. > > First, I want to pass on my condolences to the people of New York and all > Americans that are hurting in this tragic time. You can rest assured that > anything and everything that can be done to assure the safety of our > country will be done. This is the greatest country in the world and we will > get through this trying time. Now is the time for all people to set aside > our petty differences and show the world that no one or nothing can destroy > the fortitude of the American people. > > To the people responsible for today's tragedy, I say this: Are you fucking > kidding me? Are the turbans on your heads wrapped too tight? Have you gone > too long without a bath? Do you not know who you are fucking with? > Americans are so hungry to kill, that we shoot at each other every day. We > will relish that opportunity for new targets for our aggression. > > Have you forgotten history? What happened to the last people that started > fucking around with us? Remember the little yellow bastards over in Japan? > We slapped them all over the Pacific and roasted about 2 million of them in > their own back yard. That's what we in America call a big ass barbecue. > Ever seen Texas on a map? Ever wonder why it's so big? Because we wanted it > that way. Mexico started jacking around with the Alamo and now they cut our > lawns. England? We sent them packing. > > Ask your buddy Saddam about fucking with the good 'ole USA. The only reason > he got away the first time is because it's too hard to shoot someone when > you're doubled over laughing at them. Our soldiers aren't > trained to laugh and shoot at the same time. Now he couldn't stop a pack of > cub scouts from taking over his shitty little country. > > Trust us, Afghanistan will end up a giant kitty litter box. Go ahead and > try to hide, Bin Laden. There's not a hole deep enough or a mountain high > enough that's going to keep your camel riding asses safe. We will bomb > every inch of the country that harbors him, his camps and any place that > looks and even smells like he was there. Hell, we might even drop a few > bombs on people that have pissed us off in the past. This is America. We > kick ass. > This is what we do. Go ahead and laugh now, but the Tomahawks are coming > and very soon we will smoke your sorry asses. > > God bless America! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:34:12 EDT From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: ordering "Shadows and Light" NJC I am excited because I ordered "Shadows and Light" today from amazon.co.uk. They will ship to the US (although it's expensive) and the best part was that I didn't even have to reenter my credit card information. just a note so that everyone realizes how easy it is to order the book from Amazon UK. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:34:30 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: bob 'n joni y'know... i saw the subject line and was all psyched to see more pix of bob muller and joni how dissapointing... just that dillon guy ;-) brei, in a slightly rammy mood, eating chinese for lunch (what a surprise!) np: npr shane mattison wrote: > > hi... > i have a new bob 'n joni page, with a couple of photos of joni and bob > together that you might not have seen before... > > http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong/cactusbob.html > > thanx again to all, > > shane - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:35:36 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) no... im afraid your wrong! my lint is in all different colors! if i dry red its red, green towels-it's green, and even white with my whites! do u separete before u wash? kammy in alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 09:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) It bothers me to throw away dryer lint. I want to save it and use to to make stuffed animals or pillows or something. It's clean. It's soft. It's ... cuddly. However, Mary -- who saves every speck of wrapping and tissue paper, bubble wrap, AND the paper covers off of those 1000-sheet rolls of toilet paper -- WON'T LET ME! Lori, who does not particularly like Martha Stewart so don't go there, in beautiful downtown Bethesda ~ Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:43:14 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) that was so cool how u connected joni with damn dryer lint! i've been here almost a year and haven't seen u do that. wow. lmao kammy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:02:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) <> It's also....dangerous! Dryer lint is highly full of static electricity, and can be spontaneously combustible! So don't go making a throw pillow with it, or you could blow your own head off in the midst of a nap... Always make sure the dryer lint properly vents outside...in many apartment buildings, the construction companies just vent the lint into the ground underneath the structure, which is a fire hazard AND a breeding ground for termites. This lint-oriented public-service announcement brought to you by: "Hejira...pick up a copy today!" Bob, working on a nice belly-button lint snowman for Wally K! :~D NP: XTC, "Living Through Another Cuba" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 10:10:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) Bob warns: > It's also....dangerous! Dryer lint is highly full of static electricity, > and can be spontaneously combustible! > > So don't go making a throw pillow with it, or you could blow your own > head off in the midst of a nap... So THAT's what really happened to those people who burned up, leaving only their shoes. Ya know, "back in the day," (*) dryers didn't have lint traps! And how long has it been since someone spontaneously combusted? MYSTERY SOLVED. Thanks, Bob! ; ) Lori in MD (*) This is one of those 20-something phrases I hear a lot, along with "how random." NPIMH: And the dryer drum, it goes round and round ... ~ Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. http://phone.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:44:02 EDT From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: boring topics/Star Trek NJC Hello, You've all done a great job with dryer lint, but I'd like to remind you that I proposed 3 other topics: - - federal regulations - - stating the obvious - - product safety information As for stating the obvious, is anyone here a Star Trek fan? I used to love the Next Generation. Didn't Deanna Troi always state the obvious? Drove me crazy! If Joni wrote/starred in a Star Trek episode, what would it be like? any ideas? Mary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 19:05:03 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: dryer lint (NJC) Lori wrote: > <> Bob wrote: > It's also....dangerous! Dryer lint is highly full of static >electricity, and can be spontaneously combustible! As a succession of Spinal Tap drummers discovered, to their cost. I blame Derek Smalls!! > Bob, working on a nice belly-button lint snowman for Wally K! :~D Too funny!!! By Jove I needed that!! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:16:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: dryer lint (NJC) uh... no... guilty! wk - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kammass@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 28 de Septiembre de 2001 01:36 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: dryer lint (NJC) do u separete before u wash? kammy in alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 21:10:07 +0100 From: "joe farrell" Subject: digest 447 I seem to have missed out on Digest no 447. Is there any way in which i can get a copy? Cheers, Joe. NP Elvis Costelloe Spike (new remastered double issue) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:02:48 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: !!!!!!!!!!!! NJC Dear Heather, Congratulations!!! I am so happy for you. Now you can spoil him, and then give him back to his mother! (It's a perk!) Ha-ha! Sherelle In a message dated 09/28/2001 12:03:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Please celebrate with me the joyful birth of my grandson Colin Thomas > Mahoney! He was born at 1:19 am today Sept. 27th. He weighed 9 lbs 5 oz > and was 22 inches long. It was a very beautiful moment. My daughter had a > difficult time. I am so proud of her. > A little Yom Kippur baby! > A blessed Yom Kippur to my JMDL friends! > > Much love and happiness to you all! > > Heather ( the exhausted birthing coach :-) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:10:11 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Let us melt tempers....hot emotions...SEX (njc) YES!!! WOW!!!! That's a long album too! Bree >From: "Lori R. Fye" >Reply-To: "Lori R. Fye" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Let us melt tempers....hot emotions...SEX (njc) >Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 07:57:17 -0700 (PDT) > >Fun thread, Bree! > ><< If, you could make love to anyone on planet earth > besides your significant other, who would that person be and what music > would you have playing? >> > >Joni Mitchell, to the entirety of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. > >Lori >in MD >~ >Listen to your Yahoo! Mail messages from any phone. >http://phone.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 16:22:48 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Non diccia "ciao"! Rev Vince, You were one of the first people who wrote back to me when i first joined the list about a month or so ago. You are one of the kindest, most thoughtful people on the list, per my observations. I've only been skimming the political postings on the list lately -- I'm a week behind, and as one person helpfully suggested to me a couple of weeks ago, if reading polotical diatribes stresses me out, don't do it (if thine eye offend thee...), so I've been running through the digests -- but I hope by the time I get to the bottom of my files, you will have decided to return, or decided not to leave. It is unfortunate that some of the people who post to the list take the expression of contrary opinions as personal affronts, and I understand your being hurt at their reactions. But please don't go. Warm regards, walt breen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:05:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: this could be long, I dunno (njc) Anne, I am so sorry to hear this news. I pray that this surgery will get rid of the tumor once & for all. You are not being self indulgent & yes I believe you have so much to teach us. I too believe in miracles because I have seen so many of them occur. Kind of like the saying that goes instead of asking why? ask why not? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 13:05:05 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Safe topics/my perspective (NJC) Yay Mary! who suggested, "In this spirit, I hereby nominate the most boring topics I can think of: 4. Product safety information - all those labels with the really tiny print that no one reads. I challenge you all to make these topics interesting." I choose to speak about topic 4. or maybe a tangent of this. I love pulling off those mattress tags cuz its ILLEGAL. Speaking of danger, I also love running with sissors (or wire clippers- hi Susan Guzzi who got my stoopid joke at the jonifest). Also I am so glad that my car window dash shade thingy has the warning on it "do not drive with this in place" because I am sure I would forget to take it off before driving away (sarcastic statement). ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 18:21:07 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: boring topics/Star Trek NJC > If Joni wrote/starred in a Star Trek episode, what would it be like? any ideas? > > Mary I can imagine Joni starring in that original Star Trek episode where the elite god-like people who lived above the clouds in opulent splendor forced the people who lived below on the planet surface to work in the mines digging out some kind of toxic coal-like fuel, to the detriment of their health. Joni would be a guest-star, playing the part of a Starfleet Command adviser traveling with the Enterprise on this mission. Let's go ahead and make her half Volcan with the ears and everthing, but she'd lean more to her human, artistic side, whereas Spock favors his logical Volcan half. Joni would start by being beamed from the Enterprise to the palace in the sky above the planet with Kirk, Spock and "Bones". They would be wined and dined by the leaders of the elite people above the clouds...this is all before they become aware of the awful plight of the people down below. After a dinner of ambrosia, exotic fruit, cheeses and wines of the finest vintage, Joni would serenade them all from a small Grecian looking stage that appears to be hovering in the sky. She'd sing "A Case of You" and "Woodstock" while playing an exotic lair, which is actually a dulcimer if you look closely. After beaming down to the planet, meeting some of the enslaved townsfolk, hearing of their oppression and falling in love with their culture, Joni would near-tearfully sing "Fiddle and the Drum" and "Both Sides Now" to a gathering of workers assembled deep in a mineshaft, before she is overcome by the fumes and has to be revived by McCoy. Later, back above the clouds, Joni would be pissed. She'd intervene on behalf of the miners, in the interest of justice, saying at one point to the elite people "You all are acting like tourists, man!" - -Julius ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #449 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?