From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #435 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 435 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: tribute njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: 10 desert island discs [Jerry Notaro ] more birthdays njc ["Kate Bennett" ] first concert njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Bridge School Benefit Concert [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] Picture CD's from Jonifest 2001 NJ [Steve Polifka ] Subject: Re: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: All Together Now (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Justice, not Terror ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Birthdays (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Justice, not Terror (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc [Relayer211@aol.com] Subject: Vietnam & the antiwar movement : NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: 10 desert island discs [Relayer211@aol.com] 10 desert island discs (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: 10 desert island discs (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["patricia van nunen" ] more on peaceful solutions njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Test your memories NJC [jan ] first 45s, lps...(njc) [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] RE: Catching Up! [Susan Guzzi ] jonatha brooke NJC [Bern44105@aol.com] Thanks for helping me with songwriters of the 60s and 70s - njc [Murphyco] 10 desert island disks njc [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Justice, not Terror NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: First concert(s)? (NJC) ["Martin Giles" ] telethon njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: about "proof" (njc) ["Martin Giles" ] Red Cross ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: First concert(s)? (NJC) ["Suze Cameron" ] First records, concerts and parent's music njc ["kerry" ] RE: Justice, not Terror NJC ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Subject: Vietnam & the antiwar movement : NJC ["Kakki" > Thanks for that tip, Barbara...I've heard that soundtrack from my local library but I don't own it. But I will. That's an awesome movie as well! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:39:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC HAVE A REALLY HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JOHN!!! Looking forward to dinner with you and Claud9 sometime in the future, Lori in MD Hell wrote: > P.S. I enjoyed some of the chocolates you gave me, > but Lori ate most of them. OK, I had to leave them > in her fridge - but she still ate more than me! No no no ... it was MARY! (I'll admit to helping, though! Mmmmmmm ...) ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:53:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 10 desert island discs I always love this thread when it pops up: For the Roses Blue Ray Charles and Cleo Lane - Porgy and Bess Dusty Springfield - Anthology Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds - Live at Luther College Streisand - For the Record Judy Collins - Living Jennifer Warnes - Famous Blue Raincoat Peter, Paul, and Mary - Album 1700 Joan Baez - Diamond and Rust Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:35:08 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: more birthdays njc Belated Happy Birthdays to you both! Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, currently stretched out on our bed and looking at me quizzically ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:35:07 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: first concert njc Victor wrote: "My first concert was Iron Maiden -Powerslave tour at Lakeland Civic Center with Twisted Sister as the opening act. I was accompanied by my dad, a friend, and his dad who happened to be a priest." LOL, Amazing Victor...what a picture I am getting! I am having a difficult time remembering which concert was my very first. The town next to us had a college where many bands played- I remember seeing Frank Zappa & the Who (not together) but I hated when the Who destroyed their gear. My first Filmore East concert was Jefferson Airplane I think. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:57:57 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Bridge School Benefit Concert [NJC] Did anyone else snag tickets to the Bridge School Benefit at Shoreline, in Mountainview, CA? http://www.bridgeschool.org Saturday sold out in 20 minutes, and I couldn't find seats at all, but got lawn tickets. I didn't even try for Sunday, since it will go way late, too late for a Sunday night. PERFORMING: NEIL YOUNG & CRAZY HORSE R E M PEARL JAM DAVE MATTHEWS TRACY CHAPMAN BEN HARPER and others to be announced. Amazing how popular this concert is... I've never gone before, but was determined to get to it this year. And I will! Richard in San Francisco ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:02:57 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: HB John from across the pond NJC John John! Happy Fecking Birthday! Big Masculine Hugs from Lake Michigan, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: 10 desert island discs - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > I always love this thread when it pops up: And so do I! Here's today's (after posting which, I'm off to the archives to see how it compares to my last 3 or 4!): Joni -- Hejira Pink Floyd -- Dark Side of the Moon Frankie Goes to Hollywood -- Welcome To The Pleasure Dome David Byrne -- The Catherine Wheel Peter Gabriel -- Plays Live Julia Fordham -- Porcelain Dire Straits -- Love Over Gold The Fixx -- Ultimate Collection Elton John -- Goodbye Yellow Brick Road Roxy Music -- Avalon Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:05:05 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Picture CD's from Jonifest 2001 NJ Just a reminder that I have the photo CD from John Van Teil, (Thanks, John!) and am willing to make copies for all who need them. Email me, Hugs, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:05:12 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) 45: My older brother gave me three from his collection: Smokey Robinson & the Miracles - "Tears of a Clown" Al Green - "Let's Stay Together" Jackson 5 - "I Want You Back" 33: Isley Brothers - "Showdown" Brenda n.p.: Shelby Lynne - "Wall In Your Heart" This song has been getting some early play on KCRW and although I never paid much attention to her before I must say I like it quite a bit. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:02:49 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Catching Up! (NJC) Susan, What a great influence. I hope you will get up there & sing for us at the next fest!!!!!!!!! "When I preformed for the first time in public around 12 years ago I sang Patsy (granted Willie Nelson wrote the song), and it kind of became my (like I am even worthy of the term) signature song around the piano bars and women*s bars where I used to sing on occasion." ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:16:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC I can't say it any better. Happiest of Birthdays to you John the Generous!!!!!!!!! Brian wrote: > Happy Happy Happy Birthday to our Dutch Uncle > The bearer of chocolates and cheeses > The man who would put his finger in a dyke (sp?) to save a nation! > The Euro arm of the Muller Music Machine > The man who has charmed an angel's voice (and guitar) > > The happiest of birthdays today, and for many years to come > > JOHN VAN TIEL ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:44:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: All Together Now (NJC) All Together Now Pop Music, Not Completely in Sync With the Nation Yet, Tries to Find Its Voice http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14271-2001Sep23.html ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:06:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: All Together Now (NJC) Thanks for the story, Lori...this quote made me think of Joni: "It's a lousy moment to fret out loud about the burdens of fame or adolescence. " And it's not just pop music that has to shuffle...a lot of the fall TV schedule deals with intelligence/terrorism kind of stuff, one show in particular "The Agency" portrays CIA agents as partially corrupt. Wonder if that'll see the light of day? And in Hollywood, one of the big upcoming blockbusters is "Spiderman", with scenes of him scaling the WTC. Wonder if that'll get re-edited? Who knows, maybe Championship "Wrasslin'" will get a kinder, gentler setting? ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:12:18 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) <> This is from an upcoming release, I guess, Brenda? If you haven't checked out "I Am Shelby Lynne", it's a nice pice of work. Dusty Springfield resurrected with a little additional toughness. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:17:06 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) briangross@rocketmail.com writes: << Happy Happy Happy Birthday to our Dutch Uncle >> Dear friend John, I just snail mailed you and Claud a card today and didn't even know it was your birthday. When it arrives, make sure you write on it "Happy Fecking Birthday Too". Hope it gets there before you leave for Holland. Jimmy still listening to Lydia singing...........".....and even my dog won't do me.." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:33:50 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Re: Justice, not Terror In the context of the world's success at wiping out Nazism with a sustained act of aggression called World War II, the United States and its Allies WERE a "force of justice" that eradicated one of the most insidious and rampant terrorist regimes the world has ever seen. Loss of life was dear, but freedom was (and continues to be) dearer. "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse.... A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their own free choice is often the means of their regeneration." - --John Stuart Mill >From: Vince Lavieri >Reply-To: Vince Lavieri >To: joni , OCC >Subject: Justice, not Terror >Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 17:46:38 -0400 > >Although our leaders are under tremendous pressure to act in the >aftermath of the terrible events of Sept. 11th, it's important to >let them know that we support justice, not escalating violence, >which would only play into the terrorists' hands. > >I hope you'll join me in signing an online statement of support >for "Justice, not Terror" at: > > http://www.moveon.org/justice/ > >Thank you. Your participation could really make a difference -- >it's vital that we all speak up now, before it's too late. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:46:56 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Canada - U.S. (njc) articleBush and Chretien met today - check out the link below from CNN. Thank you Canada! ;-) http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/ret.bush.canada/ Everytime I check the news there are reports of so much support from other countries with the U.S. in this effort. Many countries who traditionally stand neutral are very generously offering everything they can. This is very heartening. As an aside, I'd been viewing downtown L.A. as sort of a creepy place to be around lately. I was away for a bit this weekend and when I drove home last night I was surprised to see the top towers of several of the tallest buildings lit up in brand new, sparkling red, white and blue lights! It was the first time I've been able to smile looking at the skyline since this happened. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:51:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Birthdays (njc) The happiest of birthdays and much love to Bob, Uncle John, Stevie Reggae Polifka, Mary Pitassi, Janet (and a pat to the wonderkitty ;-) and all who have had birthdays this week! Geez, we sure have a lot of talent in the Virgo sector here! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:56:13 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Justice, not Terror (njc) Thanks for this. I was raised a Catholic, a religion which for many years has been known for its staunch pacifism. Nonetheless, I was taught in that church that self-defense is always allowable and that we must always stand against evil. Just my two cents. Kakki > "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse.... A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their own free choice is often the means of their regeneration." > > --John Stuart Mill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:45:59 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc John Denver. His songs are very positive and appropriate for children of all ages. I remember my sister singing "Leaving on a jet plane" often when she was young. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:30:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Vietnam & the antiwar movement : NJC Mike wrote: "Right, so the war ended in 1973 (or so?) after 7 years of protests? I don't mean to say that the protest was ineffectual but my point is that maybe with the Taliban situation we (you, everybody) don't have 7 years grace. And do you feel that there is, or could be an active, effective anti-war movement against the coming war?" I am not sure what you mean by 7 years grace. In Vietnam, the war was raging, the bombs were dropping at the same time the anti-war movement was growing. Maybe the war would have gone on longer if there wasn't such anti-war sentiment. Maybe it would have stopped because we just weren't winning & our children were being sacrificed & it sure wasn't clear to many people why this was happening & why we were involved. There are huge lessons to be learned from Vietnam, especially concerning a guerrilla war. I think everyone knows that we really learned how ineffective all our high tech weapons were in that country. We would be fools to think that this would be any different in Afghanistan. And this is a different situation entirely. We have been attacked. But by who? And where are they? Many are said to be in the USA & other countries. So this isn't just about going into Afghanistan & getting rid of the Taliban. To answer you question regarding whether there can be an effective anti-war movement at this time, I am not sure how you can measure effectiveness. I am not sure how much public opinion counts. But that won't stop me from searching for & speaking up & supporting what I believe to be true. I have no idea what the administration is really up to. And I am pretty sure we won't really know until later. And I am pretty sure they are going to do what they do regardless of what the rest of us think. But that won't stop me from saying what I think. Reading Julius's post on the 60 minutes program, he said "The shrinks said that part of the problem is that these young men feel they have little to lose, as life is hell because of the suffering and poverty they've endured" This is what I believe to be the core of the problem. If it is the core of the problem, then this is where we must go to solve the problem. People are not born evil, they are not born hateful, they are not born a terrorist- these things are learned. Most of us want justice. Most of us want an end to terrorism. Even if we were to somehow capture or kill Bin Laden, would this stop the terrorism? Or will this only serve to unify the terrorists in the same way we feel that these attacks have unified us for the most part. I am not saying that he/they should not be stopped or that knowing what we know, that we should look away from what the Taliban are doing to Afghanistan. I am only questioning the means. And not just from an ethical standpoint, but from a practical one. Pacifism in the face of terrorism is not doing nothing. To me, pacifism says that using violence to fight violence only escalates the violence. And doing something about it. Active pacifism. I do not have an answer to the short term problem of eliminating terrorism, if indeed there is even a short term answer. What I heard Bush saying was that this is a long term situation. So while the government goes about whatever they are planning, I think it is very important for those to speak up on behalf of what the long term solution is. I studied Aikido for a short time when I was younger. It a martial art that allows you to move in such a way that the force of the attacker is used against themselves. This is not a theory, it is an actual practice. You don't harm the attacker, they harm themselves. So this brings me to consider how can this be translated into our global situation. Which brings me back to the Bomb them with Butter post that was posted here by Marian. What are our alternatives, in the long run? More USA sanctioning of arming & training people to fight in wars that we think are justified only to have it backfire on us? ******************************************* Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artistins/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:37:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: ZZScotty@aol.com Wow. What a beautiful & powerful letter. Thank you for posting this. >>My daughter, an 18 year-old freshman at a jesuit university, wrote me the following letter a few days ago: "Hi Pop, I am really excited to write you and tell you about a group that I am getting involved in. Have you ever heard of the School of the Americas. Well, it is a school in Georgia that takes lots of people from Mexico and South America and basically trains them in terrorism. Then these people return to their countries and train their military, etc., all of the horrible tactics that they learned in the U.S. In return these people terrorize and oppress their own people. How horrible! Every year people from all over the country go to Georgia to protest outside of the school, and some even "cross the line" that protesters are forbidden by law to cross. While in Georgia people are also educated about other injustices that are occurring around the world, such as sweat shops, etc... I watched a movie on the School of Americas and what the monsters they have produced have done to their countries. I watched people being murdered and terrorized. I saw the school where they were trained. And I saw millions of peaceful protesters stand up and "fight" for what they felt was a worthy cause. I saw these peaceful Americans "cross the line" and I saw them arrested. It made me think of you and your protest against the Vietnam War. At that moment I have never been so proud to be your daughter. I felt a power and security. And at that moment I realized how many of your positive characteristics I have. Daddy we are not exactly alike, but we are driven by the same passions, the same drive for justice. And I can honestly say that I understand you much better than I ever have before. Pop, I admire you. Not just because you protested once long ago, but because for the last 18 years I have watched you stand up for what you thought was right. I don't think that I have ever witnessed you pass up the opportunity, to correct what you saw as unfit. But I have also witnessed a very kind and forgiving individual as well. It seems like whenever I got my self into the worst trouble you showed me the most mercy and understanding. I believe that I am such a strong individual because I have had such a strong role model. I also understand that being so outspoken (as we both are) is not always appropriate, so my goal is to do my best to make positive changes in this world with my strong will. Sometimes I wonder if I would have the strength to do some of the things I have or want to do, without you. So, Thanks Pop. You are truly my hero. Oh, I leave for Georgia November 16, wish me luck. Katie"<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:59:03 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: 10 desert island discs In a message dated 9/24/01 11:36:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Reuben3rd@aol.com writes: << Judy Collins - Times of Our Lives wow. I have that one. I like it too, but it's not my favorite of hers, though there are some good songs on it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:01:10 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: 10 desert island discs (NJC) I actually own these discs too! The Fixx "Reach the Beach" Basia "Time and Tides" Robert Palmer "Riptide" Dan Hartman "Keep the Fire Burnin" Grace Jones "Island Life" Fine Young Canibals "The Raw and the Cooked" Elton John "Madman Across the Water" Sting "Nothing Like the Sun" Melissa Manchester "Help is on the Way" Weather Girls "It's Raining Men" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:07:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 10 desert island discs (NJC) Sounds more like Provincetown than a desert island!! Jerry FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I actually own these discs too! > > The Fixx "Reach the Beach" > Basia "Time and Tides" > Robert Palmer "Riptide" > Dan Hartman "Keep the Fire Burnin" > Grace Jones "Island Life" > Fine Young Canibals "The Raw and the Cooked" > Elton John "Madman Across the Water" > Sting "Nothing Like the Sun" > Melissa Manchester "Help is on the Way" > Weather Girls "It's Raining Men" > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:23:37 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Subject: Vietnam & the antiwar movement : NJC Here's what I see. We are under attack, serious attack. We are positioning our military to defend our country and to hover over the countries harboring the perpetrators. Two weeks and we haven't bombed anyone yet. Most of the world is standing with us on this one. If the terrorist was just your average crazed murderer attacking your neighborhood, would you not try to immediately stop them by whatever means you could? Would you really think it was better to try to get inside his head at that moment and justify his actions by saying he was abused and had suffered so it's not really his fault? Let's say he succeeds in killing several innocent people in front of your eyes while you are standing by practicing restraint and trying to understand him. Could you really be comfortable with that from a moral and ethical standpoint? How about when he turns around and then comes after you and the only chance you had to stop him in self-defense was to kill him? Would you stand on your principle and let him kill you so that you would not be escalating any violence? I know this situation we are in is complicated and we must be extremely careful and cautious in how we handle it but let's be realistic, too. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:57:46 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: new york these days (NJC Emily, thank you for writing this. New York is the city of my youth. I grew up in NJ but went into NYC almost every weekend when I was old enough to do so. All of my cousins used to work at the WTC. New York is in my soul, even though I live far far away these days, I still love NYC so much. Everytime I am there, I just want to walk walk walk around the whole entire city & soak it in! So my heart grieves to hear these stories, yet I am so touched by the wonderful stories that have come out of all this horror. My husband Jeff also has strong ties to NYC. He worked there for many years. We have talked about how much we want to visit & spend our tourist dollars to help out. So next vacation, this may be where we spend it.... >>i'd like to contribute more now -- because this community has been so important to me in the past two weeks. even more so than the past two years i've been a JMDL member! i live in new york city, in brooklyn. we live about ten blocks from where i was born, in fact. "brooklyn born"-- such a cry of pride for me. from my apartment to where the world trade center stood is about a mile and a half. i used to see it out my window. even now, when i look over that view, i keep thinking to myself that it must be cloudy or something, that's why it's not there. that's not why it's not there. i heard and felt the explosions on 9/11 and lived for three hours in total fear of the thick smoke that enveloped my block quickly. and the ash that settled over the cars on the street, and the papers that blew down like a snowstorm, each charred on the edges. they whipped through the street and then were gone -- like some kind of hallucinatory plague. but that's not what i wanted to write about. nor is this: when the wind changes, i can still smell the burning. other new yorkers, you know that smell i mean, right? it is a wonder we walk around with that smell in the air-- my city, still smoldering. nor is this of interest: that i can't sleep through the night, that my stomach is all out of wack and clenched through most of the day, that subway rides are a mental test like none i've experienced. that each sound makes me jump. me, a new yorker! someone who loves the jangle and crash and screech of sounds in this messy and gorgeous city. it's such a different city now. one thing i DID want to write about: last week one night courtney and i walked over to a local bar because we'd seen a poster that said all its proceeds would go to firemen and women, police officers, and the families who lost them. when we saw the bar, it had literally overflowed onto the street, hundreds of people, neighbors, all ages, even kids who were drinking sodas -- all out to spend money for this cause. i saw people buy one drink and give $20 -- every single dollar going into a huge jar for the fund. the crazed bartenders REFUSED TO TAKE TIPS, although we tried, saying they wanted to donate their time. (as an exbartender myself, this made a major impression!) but here's the best part: our firefighters and police officers were there. some in uniform, some out (some even on duty who got coffee and sat in their cars to watch). they were just overcome by seeing this show of support. they were treated like heroes! they were laughing, crying sometimes, getting slapped on the back. they had their drinks passed to them by many, many grateful people who kept saying thank you to them. it was like a block party, but with the biggest heart you can imagine. it was like magic. there was talk of war, yeah, but there was mainly just love in the air. and the smell of spilled beer. and laughter. and music from the jukebox. as we walked out, we said goodnight to officers and firefighters, who smiled and raised their glasses to us. around the corner was a firetruck, with a firefighter in uniform standing next to it. we walked right up to him and i told him that we came out that night to support him and his coworkers and that i was proud to get a chance to say thank you in person. thank you for HIS work. for doing HIS job in my city. he nodded, and smiled, and said thank you back to us. so then i walked home, through one of those early fall brooklyn nights, holding the hand of the person i'm going to marry right here in brooklyn in less than a month -- and things were, just for one moment, OK. i just thought i'd try to frame a small sense of some NYC perspective for those who are wondering what it is like here. and can i send something out also? a special "hello" and "hang in there" and "i'm thinking about you" to the other new yorkers. it's really hard here right now--but there is beauty, sometimes, in all the hardship--and it can make the unendurable endurable (sometimes). - - --emily<< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 22:20:37 +0200 From: "patricia van nunen" Subject: RE: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! happy birthday John, many more years to come, as "everything comes and goes" there's no more time to waste. enjoy&feel free, carpe diem, Be well, Patricia, your little sister in spirit. - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]Namens Wally Kairuz Verzonden: maandag 24 september 2001 19:23 Aan: John van Tiel; John van Tiel CC: joni@smoe.org Onderwerp: RE: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! happy birthday, john, minority member in the neths!!!!!!! i like you oh so very very very much!! wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:19:02 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: 10 desert island discs (NJC) Mary Notaro writes: << Sounds more like Provincetown than a desert island!!> Well, P-town seems like an island, and it does get deserted in February :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:20:56 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: 10 desert island discs (NJC) 1. The Way We Were-Barbra Streisand 2. Joni Mitchell-For the Roses 3. Linda Ronstadt-Heart Like A Wheel 4. Janis Joplin-Cheap Thrills 5. Carole King-Tapestry 6. Melissa Manchester-Home to Myself 7. Bruce Springsteen-Born to Run 8. Phoebe Snow-Against the Grain 9. Anita Baker-Rapture 10. Don Henley-The End of the Innocence Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: Re: 10 desert island discs (NJC) > Sounds more like Provincetown than a desert island!! > > Jerry > > FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > I actually own these discs too! > > > > The Fixx "Reach the Beach" > > Basia "Time and Tides" > > Robert Palmer "Riptide" > > Dan Hartman "Keep the Fire Burnin" > > Grace Jones "Island Life" > > Fine Young Canibals "The Raw and the Cooked" > > Elton John "Madman Across the Water" > > Sting "Nothing Like the Sun" > > Melissa Manchester "Help is on the Way" > > Weather Girls "It's Raining Men" > > > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:47:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Subject: Vietnam & the antiwar movement : NJC Kakki, since you cc'd me on this I assume you were responding to my post. Maybe you are just posting to the general "you" but if you are replying to my post, I don't recognize in your reply anything that relates to what I wrote. I do agree with you that this is such a complicated issue & I was attempting to speak about what I think needs to be addressed as a core issue in the long run. I hope this makes some sense. >>Would you really think it was better to try to get inside his head at that moment and justify his actions by saying he was abused and had suffered so it's not really his fault? Let's say he succeeds in killing several innocent people in front of your eyes while you are standing by practicing restraint and trying to understand him. Could you really be comfortable with that from a moral and ethical standpoint? How about when he turns around and then comes after you and the only chance you had to stop him in self-defense was to kill him? Would you stand on your principle and let him kill you so that you would not be escalating any violence?<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:41:43 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) Oh I think that sucker is hard-wired way down inside me still. I pretty much listened to nothing else given it was the only 'album' I had til I bought the rather more 'pop' Masters of Reality. (irony alert :-)) Les (London) > > ...when my first 33 1/3 was 'Black Sabbath' by Black Sabbath. > > > > Les (London) > >Gee, I still like that Black Sabbath lp. Don't listen to it much. >The tiltle song was the bomb back then, didn't you think? > >Mike > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:42:48 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Test your memories NJC How about your first cassette tape and your first 8-track? cassette tape: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Happy Trails 8 track: Tapestry (boot), Surf's Up (bought) (the Rev) Vince Note to Shane: Your quote from Timothy was of course yesterday's Second Lesson. It may say something about the people to whom I minister, but when I mentioned in my sermon that of all people we need to pray for wisdom for G W Bush, there were a lot of amens. And your comment on Barth: yes, very key in Barmen and that we disagree is quite alright since people of good conscience may disagree. It is the lifting up of things for the consideration of the people in which we find greater understandings. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:29:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: more on peaceful solutions njc I signed a petition on behalf of peace & got a reply to check out this website. Here is a link to an article which I just read. Just so you know for me this issue is absolutely nonpartisan, I agree with much of what is said here. The turning of terrorists against each other is exactly what I meant by my previous Akido reference. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010924-4.html an excerpt: 9:35 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. At 12:01 a.m. this morning, a major thrust of our war on terrorism began with the stroke of a pen. Today, we have launched a strike on the financial foundation of the global terror network....We will starve the terrorists of funding, turn them against each other, rout them out of their safe hiding places and bring them to justice. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:40:31 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: Test your memories NJC At 05:42 PM 9/24/01 -0400, Vince Lavieri wrote: >How about your first cassette tape and your first 8-track? > >cassette tape: Quicksilver Messenger Service, Happy Trails >8 track: Tapestry (boot), Surf's Up (bought) > >(the Rev) Vince I don't remember, but there was someone in high school whose sibling had an 8 track of- get this- Lou Reed's 'Metal Machine Music'. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:51:08 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: first 45s, lps...(njc) First 45's: Leavin' on a Jet Plane (PP&M), Both Sides Now -- by Judy Collins (near miss), also something by the Monkees First LP: The first Monkees Album (Here come the Monkees? We're the Monkees? I don't remember...) First CD: WTRF, although I already had it on LP, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE: Catching Up! Happy Birthday to a dear man - John Van Tiel, ENJOY and may your day be as sweet as you! First concerts ... hmmm ...well I'm pretty sure well it's between two concerts, they were very close together. I bought tickets for Leon Russell back in I believe 1972 oh but he cancelled. But on the other hand Joni Mitchell came to the Arie Crown January of 1972 and ... ahh yes of course she was my first! But I'm sure I mentioned that before and probably will again, cause it was a shining moment in my life! Jackson Browne opened for her highness. I was of course only 7 years old (fingers very crossed)okay I was 14. I was in the 8th row pretty dead center ... I remember it like it was yesterday ... She opened with "This Flight Tonight" and closed the show with the likes of Steve Goodman, Bob Gibson and a host of other Chicago folk stars on stage all singing "Circle Game." I remember that she did "For Free" and of course much of the "Blue" album, as it had been released the summer before - 71. She wore purple crushed velvet pants and a multi-colored wrapping jacket. I guess I will grow up to be one of those old ladies that tells the same stories over and over and ... Peace Susan Guzzi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:10:23 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: jonatha brooke NJC Hi Everyone: The Late Late Show with Craig Kilborn has just invited Jonatha to perform on this Wednesday night's show, Sept. 26th. So tune in! The Late Late Show airs on CBS after Letterman. Also a reminder that the premier episode of The Ellen Show containing Jonatha's song "Secrets and Lies" airs tonight at 9:30pm ET/PT, not 8pm as earlier reported. Take care! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:14:22 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Thanks for helping me with songwriters of the 60s and 70s - njc Dear Wally K, Paul I, Mark E, Dolphie, Bob Muller, Relayer, and Hell: Sincere thanks to all of you for contributing your ideas for my friend Kevin's concert in December. I e-mailed him all of your suggestions today. He was very impressed -- as I am -- that there is such a wonderful resource of thoughtful and smart people here on the JMDL. (Thanks, Les!) There were quite a few songwriters we had overlooked, so I am sure that your contributions will help make this concert a great success. I will also hound him to make sure that he records his chorus performing whatever Joni tune he chooses for the concert so Bob Muller can include it in a future covers CD. Since Kevin is also a jazz saxophonist, I let him borrow my copy of Mingus before he went off to New York to begin his new job a couple of weeks ago. He LOVED it, so I feel that I have done my small part to recruit a new fan for Joni. Sincerely, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:18:17 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: 10 desert island disks njc joni-court and spark smoke- soundtrack (The most precious things are lighter than life.) led zeppelin -II queen- greatest hits 1 ben harper-welcome to the cruel world medeski martin and wood-last chance to dance trance (pehaps) beatles- white album moody blues-days of future passed traffic-the low spark of high heeled boys police-the singles kammy in alabammy np= bob the builder ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:18:34 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Justice, not Terror NJC Kakki wrote: > Catholic, a religion which for many years > has been known for its staunch pacifism. Kakki, that has never been true. I am not arguing with you, but in the whole history of the church, the Roman Catholic Church has never, ever been a pacifist church. For that matter, neither was the Lutheran church in which ordained me so I am not picking on you. Staunch pacifism would include the Mennonites, Amish, and the Seventh day Adventists. The Adventists have suffered terribly in this country for their pacifism. The history of this nation's treatment of pacifists in the Civil war through WW! period is shameful and improved by degrees since then. The Roman Catholic Church is known for many things, but the label of staunch pacifism is not one of them in any way shape or form. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:32:56 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: First concert(s)? (NJC) OK, I'm up for this. My first concert was Deep Purple (when I was 14), on their 'Who Do We Think We Are?' tour. I think they knew the album was a dog, so we only got a couple of tracks from it. The rest was full of classics that we knew and loved. What was so good about them was their ability to really improvise together. With no click tracks or choreographed light shows to tie things down, they were free to, and often did just improvise. If they were in a good groove then they stuck with it, and relied on their knowledge of each other as musicians, and a few rpearranged cues to get out of any place they found themselves in. They really cooked. As a matter of fact the first band I ever saw live was Nazereth, as they were supporting Purple. They were complete dingo's kidneys! And probably the loudest band I have ever heard. atb, Martin. In London. >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:08:02 -0700 (PDT) >From: "Lori R. Fye" >Subject: First concert(s)? (NJC) >It seems like we may have done this before, but why not give it another >go? >My first concert, chaperoned by my mother, was (yikes!) David Cassidy. >(Hey! I was 12!) >My first concert NOT chaperoned was Three Dog Night. The James Gang (WITH >Joe Walsh) opened for them. At the Akron Rubber Bowl (say what you will). > My cousins and I thought it was THE BIGGEST THRILL to leave our seats to >join everyone on the field to sing "Celebrate!" Oddly, I think I was >still 12. I have no idea what my parents were thinking! >Your turn! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:29:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: telethon njc Here is who played what songs at the telethon... http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/26/73/ssMain.asp?0ss=N10026073 ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:51:08 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: about "proof" (njc) Oh, please tell me you don't believe this Bree? That the terrorists killed all those people and themselves out of JEALOUSY? Tell me you're joking. Martin. In London. >No, they hate the West and all we stand for.....they can't stand that we are >prosperous and we live free in all are diversity. THIS is the reason for >the events Of September 11, 2001. Bree ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:34:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Red Cross Friday night I was a phone volunteer at our local TV station's telethon to raise money for the Red Cross. I met lots of Red Cross volunteers & am extremely impressed with the organization. Here is some of what I learned. They help by providing food & shelter & counseling services in cases like the September 11 tragedy. As of Friday, they had served 1,400,000 meals since September 11 but that is probably lots more by the time you read this. The Red Cross is 97% volunteers. They are still serving people affected by the Oklahoma City disaster. My favorite online store, CDBABY.com has offered musicians the oppportunity to donate 100% of our CD sales to the Red Cross. So that is what I am doing. We are all looking for ways to help. This is the way I have chosen to help: time, blood, & CD sales via CDBABY. So if you are thinking of donating to the Red Cross, consider this way & get some music in return. If you are thinking of holiday presents, consider this as an option. I plan to donate these sales to the Red Cross through the holiday season. Lots of folks have told me that this CD has healing vibes in it. The songs for me were healing to write, & the making of the CD for me was a magical process thanks to all the talented musicians who contributed & especially because of my wonderful co-producer & engineer Jack Lee (we have already started working on a second CD). I am grateful to all who have been so kind to give me such postive feedback & reviews. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 19:29:42 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: First concert(s)? (NJC) Martin Giles wrote: >As a matter of fact the first band I ever saw live was Nazereth, as they >were supporting Purple. They were complete dingo's kidneys! Oh my gawd Martin this is just too funny! Hell, where was this come-back during all of the kidding over Labor Day? Dingo's fecking kidneys, I am dying!!!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!! Sue Make a difference, help support the relief efforts in the U.S. http://clubs.lycos.com/live/events/september11.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:46:53 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: First records, concerts and parent's music njc Lori wrote: >First 33 1/3? Sheesh! Probably "The Partridge Family." (How >embarrassing.) Yikes! Me too! Must be a lesbian thing (?!) Well, David was pretty cute (for a boy!) My first 45 record was the Archies, "Sugar, Sugar" and I think it was from the back of a cereal box. I used to sing along in the living room and use a candlestick for a microphone. (And that was just last year.......KIDDING!) My parents stuff was pretty ancient, but I loved my big sister's music. I played, "To Sir With Love" by Lulu constantly! (and was very excited when she appeared on AbFab more recently! First concerts (I'm cheating) I can't remember the order because it was soooo...long ago: Billy Joel's "Stranger" tour, Bruce Springsteen (Darkness on the Edge of Town) and Joni!! Not bad for only being in high school! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 17:01:42 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Tribute Performances on line NJC Not sure if this has been posted, but MSNBC has videos up of all of the Tribute performances: http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/26/73/ssMain.asp?0ss=N10026073 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:55:01 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: a request for taping (njc) I was wondering if anyone gets the National Geographic channel and would be willing to tape a program that will air Tuesday night at 9:00. It's about Afghanistan. Sebastian Junger is either the host or the reporter. I'll be willing to send you money to cover the expense of the tape and postage. Thanks. lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 21:13:27 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Justice, not Terror NJC > Staunch pacifism would include the Mennonites, Amish, and the Seventh day > Adventists. Hey! Don't forget the Quakers! (I'm a product of Quaker education, but it obviously didn't take). - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:29:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Subject: Vietnam & the antiwar movement : NJC Kate, I was being more rhetorical than anything. Sorry if I misunderstood that you meant trying better approaches for future situations. I would not disagree with any peaceful and enlightened means to try to end the cycle of terrorism in the future. Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #435 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?