From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #434 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 434 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Re: K/K/B debate ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) [Steven Barton ] Re: bob muller!!!!!!!! njc ["Leslie Ross" ] NJC - mary hopkin, longish ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes ["Bill Pearson] first concert (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC ["hell" ] Re: Ferry Cross the Mersey - NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Irony- NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] RE: NJC quote ["Deb Messling" ] Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes NJC ["hell" ] Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes njc [TerryM222] vietnam / letter from my daughter (njc) [ZZScotty@aol.com] Re: First Concert(njc) [Jerry Notaro ] new york these days (NJC) [Emily K Gray ] Re: first records [Jerry Notaro ] Re: vietnam / letter from my daughter (njc) ["J. R. Mills" ] Re: Nuvo Magazine (now NJC) [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Telethon Question NJC [CHRIS TREACY ] Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) ["Blair Fraipont" ] Re: first records [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Oops!!! (Birthdays, NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE:Catching Up! (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Amy Correia [was America's TV special] NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] birthday ["Stephen Epstein" ] First records NJC [Steve Polifka ] Re: first concert (NJC) [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Re: 10 desert island discs [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: first concert (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] First concerts... NJC [Steve Polifka ] Re: NJC quote [TimandMaryPowers@aol.com] HB- hell and Susan... NJC [Steve Polifka ] concert recording available(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: tribute njc [bbBear ] The Binch (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] NJC Re: 10 desert island discs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: NJC Re: K/K/B debate I had a feeling you would have this response and I must say that I don't entirely agree with you. I may be optimistic, but I'm not naive. (Straight out of college, I was hardened in the fire of the Skadden, Arps mergers & acquisitions department of the late 80's. I hated it, but I saw some class action kings at work.) First, there is no organized "majority" (corporate, institutional or otherwise) with a widely held public company like AOL-TW. Secondly, there is a significant portion of stock in the mutual funds held by various types of retirement accounts and pensions - certainly more than what is held by any single institution or corporation. Look at the SEC filings. This amounts to ownership by ordinary people. If you took a page from the Bella Abzug or Kirk Krikorian book it would be possible to gather a formidable portion of the individual voices together. Not that it wouldn't be difficult, but it is certainly possible. You get a certain number of votes behind you (or turn someone like Jim Barksdale to your cause) and it's pretty hard to shut you up at a shareholder meeting. I think the main issue is not surmounting corporate owners; the issue is getting enough people who think that there should be a change and care enough to see it happen. If student protestors at Yale could win a battle with the university and Bristol Myers Squibb over an AIDS drug patent, surely some progress could be made in this regard. (Check out this look at activism on campuses: http://www.motherjones.com/magazine/SO01/top10.html . I don't necessarily agree with some of the things on the list that students protested for, but I support their right to do it.) I'm still very eager to hear any suggestions you or anyone else may have about the media and changing it. I wake up every day feeling more and more like it is a significant problem for us in terms of achieving understanding, let alone realizing our democratic ideals. I want to do something about it. Thanks for writing, Brenda On 23 Sep 2001, at 16:03, Mike Pritchard wrote: Brenda wrote (Sept 21): >>many of the media conglomerates are publicly owned. Take AOL-Time Warner for >example. If I own one share of AOL-Time Warner stock or if I own a single share in a >mutual fund which owns AOL-TW (leaving out for a moment if I have a right because >my taxes inevitably subsidize their business) I have the right to say something about >their policies at CNN, Time magazine, or NY1 News. And perhaps a movement to >change the media would have to be a grass roots approach, levied by shareholders. I >don't know that it is likely to happen or yield a result but it is at least possible.<< Yes it's true that these corporations are public and that individual shareholders have a right to speak and a right to vote, but the majority (which counts in democratic societies) of the shares are owned by other corporations or institutions with their own agendas and enough voting power to brush off any individuals or even groups of 'concerned citizens' or 'grass roots approaches, however well-meaning and critical, when the time comes to decide policy. I wish it were otherwise, but it ain't. Mike. NP Garbarek and the Hillard Ensemble 'O salutaris hosti' (from 'Officium') ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:49:36 -0700 From: Steven Barton Subject: Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) First 45: "How much is that doggie in the window?" or maybe it was "All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth." Then, much older, and wiser, the first LP: Pet Sounds ('nuff said) - - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:48:30 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: September 24 On September 24 these articles were published: 1997: "Feud Takes A Public Turn" - Dallas Morning News (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970924dmn.cfm 1998: "New Stripes" - San Diego Union-Tribune (Review - Album) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980924sdu.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 633 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 03:50:04 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Happy Happy Birthday to our Dutch Uncle The bearer of chocolates and cheeses The man who would put his finger in a dyke (sp?) to save a nation! The Euro arm of the Muller Music Machine The man who has charmed an angel's voice (and guitar) The happiest of birthdays today, and for many years to come JOHN VAN TIEL Tonnes of hugs, Magsnbrei - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:54:02 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Re: bob muller!!!!!!!! njc >Such enthusiasm, Les...one would think your flat was a fire! ;~D > >Bob ....oh I just get out of hand sometimes..... :-) Les (Mogadon man) >From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com >To: holdall_birdcall@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: bob muller!!!!!!!! njc >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 18:28:29 EDT > ><< ....let's hear it everyone, Bob Muller! Yaaaaaay! >> > >Oh my heavens...I didn't have much to do with it anyway, it was all my >parent's doing! All I can say is that Christmas of 1956 must have been a >good >one for them! :~) > >Such enthusiasm, Les...one would think your flat was a fire! ;~D > >Bob _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:32:27 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: NJC - mary hopkin, longish > ''goodbye'', mary hopkin >I loved this song too! I wonder whatever happened to Mary Hopkin? >Those were the days, my friend.... >Mark E >oh mark! i have everything on cd!!!! >wally I first heard of Mary Hopkin when her version of 'Those Were the Days' was used in British football stadiums to taunt the opposition. Liverpool Football Club fans, for example, would sing "Those were the days, we took the Stretford End." The 'Stretford End' serving metonymically (or is this an example of 'synecdoche'?, discuss, using both sides of the paper.) for chief rivals Manchester United's 'turf', and therefore, by extension, the whole club. 'Taking', in this context, is a euphemism for beating up the rival fans. Football Hooliganism was rife at that time, a situation now mostly under control, except at jingoistic nationalistic moments, still all too frequent, I know. She was, and is, Welsh of course but I don't know (maybe Wally does?) if she ever recorded anything in Welsh. She was for a time 'linked' (though not at the pelvis apparently) with Paul McCartney and I believe she married Tony Visconti, who produced many class acts back in the 70s, including Bowie if I am not mistaken. She was very popular in Wales, and a source of national pride for many Welsh people (we are a small country) until the arrival of the mighty Bonnie Tyler (any comments, Mack?) and later generations such as the Manics, Catatonia and the Super Furry Animals. Aye, those were the days alright. And there's Tom Jones, too, of course. First LPs I bought: In the mid-sixties in North Wales we had pirate radio (Radio Caroline North) and I spent most of those years taping songs from the radio onto reel-to-reel. Impossible to listen to them now because of all the morse code and other shipping sounds in the background. Anyway, this meant that I was into music but not into buying music. When I finally bought a turntable I bought three LPs on the same day, in order to hear the music I liked in better quality, namely Dylan's Greatest Hits (Vol 1) (What is that book on the cover?), Sweet Baby James, and Tapestry. First Single I bought: Can't remember the name of the group but the record was called 'Ascension Day'. The b-side was called 'Teddy Teeth Goes Sailing', a satirical song about the then Prime Minister Edward Heath's preference for going sailing while the ship of state headed squarely for the rocks. First LP I stole: 'On the Boards' by Taste. If finding something and not returning it to the person you strongly suspect it belongs too is stealing then I'm guilty. No regrets, Coyote. First concert I attended: I went to see Taste (see above) at the P-J Hall in Bangor and I have never seen anything like it since then. Pure energy. After the concert a friend and I (we were 15-ish I would imagine) sneaked backstage and tried to talk to the band. We met Rory Gallagher and the other two (McCracken and Wilson I think) and Rory thanked us for our comments. He then stuck a bottle of Guinness in our hands and told us to enjoy. Thus began my lifelong addiction to the black stuff. As Flann O'Brien said "A pint of plain is your only man". I saw Rory three or four times after that, including, I think at the Isle of Wight. He died a few years ago and his obituary in the Grauniad was exactly as I remember him. Battered sunburst stratocaster, lumberjack shirt and baseball boots. They don't make them like that any more. RIP. Mike In BCN NPIMH - 'Calling card' by Rory Gallagher. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:00:18 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes > From: FredNow@aol.com > > Stevie Wonder! Stevie Wonder! Stevie Wonder! -- that guy can still SING! The > master of melisma! And a great choice of song. Was that Take6 with him? > Alicia Keyes -- what *is* that song? its name is on the tip of my ear ... who > wrote/sang it? it's got such a cool harmonic turnaround, so oblique ... > anyway, she sang and played great, and did in fact remind me of early Aretha > in that. So that *was* Alicia (we're a bit behind you on this one in the UK)I keep hearing the name, but that was the first time I have seen or heard her. Wasn't the song 'Someday, We'll All Be Free' written by Donny Hathaway I think but wouldn't swear to it. I still want to know who the solo guy and guitar was before Wyclef. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:12:17 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: first concert (NJC) My first unchaperoned concert was seeing Chicago, with Lynyrd Skynyrd as the opening band. I was only 16 and my parents allowed me to drive up to Tampa with some friends. We were so cool !!!! Jimmy, who last night discussed with Ed if Joni looks like a young Jeane Kirkpatrick LOL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:28:30 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In a message dated 9/24/01 3:51:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, briangross@rocketmail.com writes: > Happy Happy Happy Birthday to our Dutch Uncle > The bearer of chocolates and cheeses > The man who would put his finger in a dyke (sp?) to save a nation! > The Euro arm of the Muller Music Machine > The man who has charmed an angel's voice (and guitar) > > The happiest of birthdays today, and for many years to come > > LOL Brian HAPPY FECKING BIRTHDAY UNCLE JOHN!!!!!! Lieve, Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:37:29 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC Brian wrote: > Happy Happy Happy Birthday to our Dutch Uncle > The bearer of chocolates and cheeses > The man who would put his finger in a dyke (sp?) to save a nation! > The Euro arm of the Muller Music Machine > The man who has charmed an angel's voice (and guitar) > > The happiest of birthdays today, and for many years to come > > JOHN VAN TIEL Yeeesss. There are some things in the wee message above I'm going NEAR, but Happy Birthday, Uncle John! luv Hell P.S. I enjoyed some of the chocolates you gave me, but Lori ate most of them. OK, I had to leave them in her fridge - but she still ate more than me! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:32:00 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: Ferry Cross the Mersey - NJC >>Ferry Cross the Mercie (spelling) by Jerry and the Pacemakers or whatever.<< 'Ferry Cross the Mersey' By Gerry Marsden and the Pacemakers. There was also a terrible film of the same title made in '64 too. 'Mersey' as in River Mersey between Liverpool and Birkenhead, and Ferry as in the means of getting from one to the other. Now there are road and rail tunnels under the river but for generations it was a way of getting to work in Liverpool for people working on the Wirral peninsula. I suppose like the New Jersey ferry? Gerry is better known for his singing of Rogers and Hammerstein's "You'll Never Walk Alone" which is the unofficial anthem of Liverpool Football Club. Two mentions for the mighty reds on the same day! And me a Chelsea fan! Mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:33:29 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Irony- NJC >>A woman called in to actually *complain* that a Canadian was singing "God Bless America," somehow completely missing the irony inherent in her complaint.<< >>I forgot to add Sting into my original post. His song, "Fragile" brought tears to my eyes.<< Bearing in mind Sting's lines 'nothing comes from violence, and nothing ever could' it seems that we are losing our capacity to see irony even when it slaps us in the face. Isn't it ironic, doncha think? Mike in bcn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:36:17 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: NJC quote So then Neimoller and I part company on the morality of war against Hitler. I shudder to think what the world would be like if he had been left to do as he please. I'm not convinced that an internal anti-fascist movement would have been effective. Anyway, a hell of a lot of "innocent" Germans loved Hitler and hated Jews. > Prior to 11 September, there were very few people in this country who > raised concerns > about the Taliban - one of them incidentally Ann Landers - so it > is clear that > this current interest in the Taliban and going to war with them > was out of a > desire for revenge for the acts of terrorists. And revenge is > not an ethical > option. Depending on the definition of "very few," that's not an accurate statement. I recall a huge hue and cry when the Taliban went about smashing Buddhist statues and when they forced Hindus to wear badges. And certainly in the progressive community, especially in the women's movement, there have been "concerns raised" since the day the Taliban took power. > And of course war against the Taliban falls on any theory of war > in that they > have not attacked us nor have the people of Afghanistan attacked > us. But they have apparently provided support for those who did. > By bringing the evidence to the world, a sober laying out of > evidence say at > the United Nations, a world consensus would form I don't see that happening, frankly. I don't think the Taliban would respond to a sober laying out of evidence, and it seems that there version of "morality" is so different from ours that consensus is impossible. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 23:43:02 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes NJC Bill wrote: > So that *was* Alicia (we're a bit behind you on this one in the UK)I keep > hearing the name, but that was the first time I have seen or heard her. > Wasn't the song 'Someday, We'll All Be Free' written by Donny Hathaway I > think but wouldn't swear to it. > > I still want to know who the solo guy and guitar was before Wyclef. I only saw a brief glimpse of this, but I think you're referring to Dave Matthews, performing Everyday. I've already posted this, but if you follow the link below, it will take you to a slide-show of the event. The clip with Dave Matthews is No. 12: http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/26/73/ssMain.asp?0ss=N10026073 Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:50:40 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Vietnam: NJC Kate said: >>I remember strong anti-Vietnam war sentiment in 1966. I think it made a huge difference, but it took years to make that difference.<< Right, so the war ended in 1973 (or so?) after 7 years of protests? I don't mean to say that the protest was ineffectual but my point is that maybe with the Taliban situation we (you, everybody) don't have 7 years grace. >>When the draft went into effect & I was old enough to do so, I became active in the antiwar protest movement.<< And do you feel that there is, or could be an active, effective anti-war movement against the coming war? Regards, mike. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:01:42 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes njc I know I'm getting old. I didn't recognize about 1/3 of the performers. But I must know the name of the young African American woman who played piano and sang. She wore a black net over her hair. Awesome singer. Who is she? I, too, thought it was excellent. Agree that it would have been wonderful to have seen CSN, JT and of course JM. Also surprised and somewhat relieved that Elton wasn't there. Also relieved that Clapton didn't sing Tears in Heaven- I would have been a basket case. On a happier note, belated Happy Birthday to Steve, Heather and Bob! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:08:33 EDT From: ZZScotty@aol.com Subject: vietnam / letter from my daughter (njc) Mike asked, "When did the anti-Vietnam movement begin, did it make any real difference and how long did it take to make that difference? " My daughter, an 18 year-old freshman at a jesuit university, wrote me the following letter a few days ago: "Hi Pop, I am really excited to write you and tell you about a group that I am getting involved in. Have you ever heard of the School of the Americas. Well, it is a school in Georgia that takes lots of people from Mexico and South America and basically trains them in terrorism. Then these people return to their countries and train their military, etc., all of the horrible tactics that they learned in the U.S. In return these people terrorize and oppress their own people. How horrible! Every year people from all over the country go to Georgia to protest outside of the school, and some even "cross the line" that protesters are forbidden by law to cross. While in Georgia people are also educated about other injustices that are occurring around the world, such as sweat shops, etc... I watched a movie on the School of Americas and what the monsters they have produced have done to their countries. I watched people being murdered and terrorized. I saw the school where they were trained. And I saw millions of peaceful protesters stand up and "fight" for what they felt was a worthy cause. I saw these peaceful Americans "cross the line" and I saw them arrested. It made me think of you and your protest against the Vietnam War. At that moment I have never been so proud to be your daughter. I felt a power and security. And at that moment I realized how many of your positive characteristics I have. Daddy we are not exactly alike, but we are driven by the same passions, the same drive for justice. And I can honestly say that I understand you much better than I ever have before. Pop, I admire you. Not just because you protested once long ago, but because for the last 18 years I have watched you stand up for what you thought was right. I don't think that I have ever witnessed you pass up the opportunity, to correct what you saw as unfit. But I have also witnessed a very kind and forgiving individual as well. It seems like whenever I got my self into the worst trouble you showed me the most mercy and understanding. I believe that I am such a strong individual because I have had such a strong role model. I also understand that being so outspoken (as we both are) is not always appropriate, so my goal is to do my best to make positive changes in this world with my strong will. Sometimes I wonder if I would have the strength to do some of the things I have or want to do, without you. So, Thanks Pop. You are truly my hero. Oh, I leave for Georgia November 16, wish me luck. Katie" So, I guess the anti-war movement made a difference. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:21:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: First Concert(njc) Peter, Paul, and Mary. I was 15. And awestruck. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:49:43 -0400 From: Emily K Gray Subject: new york these days (NJC) hi all. i haven't written, really, in so long. i was hurt and disappointed in myself by some entanglement in one of the flame wars back when (which now seems so inconsequential) -- and taking the time off to just browse the list was very good for me. i gained more chance to let things go, to learn more about how to not leap to judgment -- well. i don't know if i learned those things but i guess i tried. i'd like to contribute more now -- because this community has been so important to me in the past two weeks. even more so than the past two years i've been a JMDL member! i live in new york city, in brooklyn. we live about ten blocks from where i was born, in fact. "brooklyn born"-- such a cry of pride for me. from my apartment to where the world trade center stood is about a mile and a half. i used to see it out my window. even now, when i look over that view, i keep thinking to myself that it must be cloudy or something, that's why it's not there. that's not why it's not there. i heard and felt the explosions on 9/11 and lived for three hours in total fear of the thick smoke that enveloped my block quickly. and the ash that settled over the cars on the street, and the papers that blew down like a snowstorm, each charred on the edges. they whipped through the street and then were gone -- like some kind of hallucinatory plague. but that's not what i wanted to write about. nor is this: when the wind changes, i can still smell the burning. other new yorkers, you know that smell i mean, right? it is a wonder we walk around with that smell in the air-- my city, still smoldering. nor is this of interest: that i can't sleep through the night, that my stomach is all out of wack and clenched through most of the day, that subway rides are a mental test like none i've experienced. that each sound makes me jump. me, a new yorker! someone who loves the jangle and crash and screech of sounds in this messy and gorgeous city. it's such a different city now. one thing i DID want to write about: last week one night courtney and i walked over to a local bar because we'd seen a poster that said all its proceeds would go to firemen and women, police officers, and the families who lost them. when we saw the bar, it had literally overflowed onto the street, hundreds of people, neighbors, all ages, even kids who were drinking sodas -- all out to spend money for this cause. i saw people buy one drink and give $20 -- every single dollar going into a huge jar for the fund. the crazed bartenders REFUSED TO TAKE TIPS, although we tried, saying they wanted to donate their time. (as an exbartender myself, this made a major impression!) but here's the best part: our firefighters and police officers were there. some in uniform, some out (some even on duty who got coffee and sat in their cars to watch). they were just overcome by seeing this show of support. they were treated like heroes! they were laughing, crying sometimes, getting slapped on the back. they had their drinks passed to them by many, many grateful people who kept saying thank you to them. it was like a block party, but with the biggest heart you can imagine. it was like magic. there was talk of war, yeah, but there was mainly just love in the air. and the smell of spilled beer. and laughter. and music from the jukebox. as we walked out, we said goodnight to officers and firefighters, who smiled and raised their glasses to us. around the corner was a firetruck, with a firefighter in uniform standing next to it. we walked right up to him and i told him that we came out that night to support him and his coworkers and that i was proud to get a chance to say thank you in person. thank you for HIS work. for doing HIS job in my city. he nodded, and smiled, and said thank you back to us. so then i walked home, through one of those early fall brooklyn nights, holding the hand of the person i'm going to marry right here in brooklyn in less than a month -- and things were, just for one moment, OK. i just thought i'd try to frame a small sense of some NYC perspective for those who are wondering what it is like here. and can i send something out also? a special "hello" and "hang in there" and "i'm thinking about you" to the other new yorkers. it's really hard here right now--but there is beauty, sometimes, in all the hardship--and it can make the unendurable endurable (sometimes). - --emily ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 08:50:04 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: first records Kate Bennett wrote: > > > my parents played lots of Broadway Musicals & my favorite were Oliver & West > Side Story- I memorized all the songs to both & acted out all the parts in > my basement... And you grew up straight??!! Jerry :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 05:59:08 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: vietnam / letter from my daughter (njc) Incredibly beautiful and insightful sentiments. Thanks for sharing this, Scotty. I'll be wishing Katie much luck in her drive for justice in Georgia and everywhere. This is one the most touching glimpses into the blessings of parenting and the irrepressible human spirit of youth I've ever read. Really inspirational to me in times like these. Thank you for passing the torch so admirably, and more power to you and Katie both in fighting the good fight. It made a difference indeed. - -Julius > Daddy we are not exactly alike, but we are driven by the same passions, the same drive for justice. And I can honestly say that I understand you much better than I ever have before. Pop, I admire you. Not just because you protested once long ago, but because for the last 18 years I have watched you stand up for what you thought was right. > So, I guess the anti-war movement made a difference. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:21:58 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: 10 desert island discs Do you remember this radio program "desert island"? Sorry if it's been done before on JMDL. I'd like to know what music JMDLers would take to a desert island, where you'd be stuck for the rest of your life? Please: no more than 1 album per artist. Limit: 10 My selection, in alphabetical order: Art Blakey: Reflections in Blue (LP) a.k.a In my Prime vol 2 (Japanese CD reissue) Canned Heat: Boogie w/ Canned Heat (my first LP, at age 10, still love it) Ry Cooder: Bop till you Drop (love that "The Very Thing" tune, also happens to be rock's 1st digital recording) CPR: Live at the Wiltern (Crosby & son James Raymond) CSN&Y: 4 Way Street (remastered version w/ bonus tracks) Jimi Hendrix: Last American Concert (Maui, Hawao 8/70 bootleg) John Hiatt: Bring the Family (w/ Cooder, Nick lowe, Jim Keltner) John Mayall: Blues from Laurel Canyon (a foreigner's 1st impression of L.A., w/ Mick Taylor) Joni Mitchell: Hejira (my 1st Joni album, initially bought it because it had Neil Young on harp!) Neil Young: Zuma My 1st concert: Deep Purple, Paris 73 (age 13) but 1st real mind-blowing concert: Stones, L.A. Forum 75 Has any JMDLer ever seen JIMI live? If so, could you please describe your impressions. Laurent PS. Traders welcome, your list gets mine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:24:52 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Nuvo Magazine (now NJC) >>Jimmy NP: Lydia Von Damme "Everybody's fucking but me"<< Yikes! I'll have to hear this. I know the feeling. ;) Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 06:37:28 -0700 (PDT) From: CHRIS TREACY Subject: Telethon Question NJC Hey, before the thread goes, does anyone know who the olive-skinned gal by her lonesome at the piano was? My parents were blown away, and I was embarrassed that with all my involvement in contemporary artists, I couldn't tell them for sure who it was!...Going into NYC today to see whats happened for myself (I know I can only get so close to 'ground zero'). - -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:49:46 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) First 45--John and yoko ono Happy Xmas (War is Over)0n green vinyl (yummy) First Record-bought in hindsight-- RUSH-Exit Stage Left _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 09:50:44 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: new york these days (NJC) In a message dated 9/24/01 8:51:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ekg200@nyu.edu writes: > i live in new york city, in brooklyn. we live about ten > blocks from where i was born, in fact. "brooklyn born"-- > such a cry of pride for me. from my apartment to where > the world trade center stood is about a mile and a half. > i used to see it out my window. even now, when i look > over that view, i keep thinking to myself that it must > be cloudy or something, that's why it's not there. that's > not why it's not there. > > Thank you Emily for your beautiful post. I'm not a New Yorker, but I'm a granddaughter of Italian immigrants who brought their 9 children into this world and made a new life there. I have photos of my Mom with her younger brothers and sisters in front of that old brownstone where they lived. My husband fishes every weekend off of Sandy Hook in NJ and said to me last night it was the first time he saw clearly the gaping black hole to which those towers once stood. Know that New Jersey hears you man. We can't undo what's been done, but let's not lose our hope for the future. To new beginnings... Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:07:04 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: about "proof" (njc) >From: "J. R. Mills" >Reply-To: "J. R. Mills" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: about "proof" (njc) >Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 09:25:06 -0700 > >You get a very weak President and the enemies of the >Nation take advantage of it, pronto. Marcel would have a field day with >this paragraph (maybe I'll send it to him privately, just for the goof.) > >Anywho, Powell says that a paper outlining the "proof" against bin Laden is >forthcoming. > >-Julius So Bush is weak and Osman decided to murder 6500 plus because of his weakness!!?? Oversimplifying a tad bit? Let's see, in 1998 Clinton was in power and to take the heat off he gave his approval to use a million dollar bomb to blow up an aspirin factory. Remember? Also he wanted Monica off the front pages too. No, they hate the West and all we stand for.....they can't stand that we are prosperous and we live free in all are diversity. THIS is the reason for the events Of September 11, 2001. Bree _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:09:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: first records <> Not exactly, Jerry...she used to be "Ken" Bennett! ;~D I'm kidding, I'm kidding... Bob NP: X, "Drawn In The Dark" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:13:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Oops!!! (Birthdays, NJC) <> This gave me a great laugh this AM, Mary...thanks to you & to all of you who sent a greeting my way. It truly meant a lot to me. I even got a phone message from John van Tiel, and when my wife heard it she said "Oh my, that man has a sexy voice"...I said, "Yes he does, dear, but he's taken!" ;~) Speaking of John, let me be among the first to say "Many Happy Returns of the day"! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 07:20:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: RE:Catching Up! (NJC) Huge apology to Bob Muller on his birthday wish- he obviously is not the Smurfy Bob! Sorry for the mix-up, it was late and I just got my M-names mixed up, but the Smurfy Bob corrected me this morning. Thank you smurf ... going off now all embarr-assed! Peace Susan Guzzi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:25:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Amy Correia [was America's TV special] NJC <> Yes indeed...and she blew me away! She certainly didn't upstage Thompson, who was phenomenal, but I was very impressed, and looked in my pocket for enough money for her CD...damn! One Rolling Rock too many! I bought it that next week, and it's probably been my most listened to disc of the year along with Steady Pull. I liken her to a Lucinda Williams of New England...quiet & powerful songs about growing up in a rural town. She's definitely one to watch... Bob NP: X, "Johnny Hit & Run Pauline" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:19:04 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: birthday John!!!!! The happiest of birthdays to you! Hope you are still in the US and will enjoy it with Claudia. Wishing you all the best that life can bring- do enjoy! Stephen in Vancouver wishing I were there in person to share in a dutch cigar! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:21:45 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: First records NJC My first 45 that I owned was the theme from Astro Boy... lol! The first 45 I bought was Big Yellow Taxi- by the Nieghborhood. I was so mad when it wasn't Joni's! (Hey, I got records at the Hardware Store for god's sakes...sheesh...) My first lps were: the Fifth Dimension's Greatest Hits (still have the vinyl) and Jesus Christ Superstar. Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:27:10 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: first concert (NJC) I have been pulling my hair out trying to remember. Unless you can count Hair as a concert, I know I was a late bloomer for "big rock shows" so I guess it was Led Zepplin at LA's "the Fabulous Forum" around 1976. I vividly recall the fire coming from the urns and my ears ringing until the next day. Until that time, about the only concerts I saw were sibling's recitals and the country and western bands that would play at our horse shows. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:35:18 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: 10 desert island discs I'll play! Today it would be: Joni Mitchell - Hejira Kitchens of Distinction - Strange Free World Joan Armatrading - Secret Secrets Cyndi Lauper - Shine Kitchens of Distinction - The Death of Cool Cocteau Twins - Blue Bell Knoll Judy Collins - Times of Our Lives Joni Mitchell - Chalkmark In A Rainstorm Dionne Warwick - Friends Cocteau Twins - Akiea-Guinea Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:36:44 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: first concert (NJC) Coyote4Joni@aol.com wrote: > I have been pulling my hair out trying to remember. Unless you can count > Hair as a concert, I know I was a late bloomer for "big rock shows" so I > guess it was Led Zepplin at LA's "the Fabulous Forum" around 1976. Around 1974 I had a friend who dragged me kicking and screaming to a Led Zeppelin concert. I was very much into Joni, James, CSN, Judy, Joan, etc. and didn't really want to go. I was so blown away by the concert and was thrilled later to hear how big of fans they were of Joni. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:36:55 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: First concerts... NJC First concert for me was 3 Dog Night with B.W. Stevenson of 'My Maria' fame at the Green Bay Auditorium with some high school friends. Even then, the cloud of reefer wafted to and fro o'er the audience! LOL. (I think that was my first high, come to think of it...) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 11:53:10 EDT From: TimandMaryPowers@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC quote Hello, I sent a long response to the Rev. off-list. However, briefly, what I said was the following: - - Violence against women and children needs to get more attention. - - I was concerned about the Taliban before this. - - As someone who was sexually abused as a child, I really feel for those girls who were assaulted. - - The US should not let past mistakes stand in the way of fighting evil today. When you deny education and medical care and the opportunity to work to 1/2 the population, that is evil. And again, there are real atrocities, such as the woman who had her eyes gouged out and her ears and nose cut off. She is in Pakistan, where the Taliban has a lot of support. The documentary showed that a peaceful demonstration by RAWA (the Afghan women's group) turned violent when Taliban supporters threw tear gas at the demonstrators. by the way, I'd like to point out that I did say in my message that I regretted no one had given the misery of the Afghan people any thought until the US was attacked. Also, I was among those who said that attacking Muslim and/or Arab Americans was totally unacceptable. I honestly don't know why atrocities against women are greeted with a yawn by the rest of the world. It's been that way through human history and it still is in too many places. Mary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:53:21 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: HB- hell and Susan... NJC Hey! Thanks for the birthday wishes, Susan. I was way to busy shopping to go for a beer, but, I get there pretty often. How about next time? And Hell of the Cheese Hat Hall of Fame, Who wasn't I suppose to tell about the case of lipstick that you had shipped home from LA? LOL! Hug from the Midwest, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:17:30 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: concert recording available(njc) This past weekend, I performed outside at a festival for alternative medicine and healing (CAMA-complementary and alternative medicine association.) Due to very poor planning by organizers(unfortunately so common) the music was set up on a gazebo that wasn't anywhere near where the booths were, so needless to say, there were very few people venturing out to listen and I was playing mostly to the beautiful blue sky and cool, cool breezes. They ended up cancelling the performers after me so I barely made the cut. Anyway, I had intended to make this performance somewhat of a tribute to the idea of oneness, unity, and healing.which I did and I was able to tape the complete show on minidisc. So if anyone is interested in obtaining a copy, just send a blank cd and postage(or equivalent in a check). The setlist is below. I thought the recording turned out really well. Those recorders are amazing. Set List Victor Johnson CAMA performance September 22, 2001 Time 54:04 One (U2) Georgia Landing on Air Into the Sun Southern Man (N.Young) Imagine (J. Lennon) Wanderlust It's So Natural (H. Howard) Love's In Need of Love Today (S. Wonder) Sailing to New Orleans Tell Me Why (N. Young) Angel (J. Hendrix) Sugar Magnolia (Grateful Dead) Box of Rain (Grateful Dead) Mailing Address Victor Johnson 520 Milledge Heights Athens, Georgia 30606 Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:07:57 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: 10 desert island discs My top ten, not in order: - -Hejira/Hissing/ - -All Things Must Pass-G. Harrison - -4 Calendar Cafe-Cocteau Twins - -Future Games-Fleetwood Mac - -Trick of the Tail-Genesis - -Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie-A. Morissette - -Sleeping at the Edge of the World-David Helpling - -Barnstorm-Joe Walsh - -Crosby and Nash - -Shepherd Moons-Enya - -Benefit-J.Tull Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 12:30:07 -0400 From: bbBear Subject: Re: tribute njc SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Eddie Vedder & Neil Young - don't know what song that was, but it was > powerful. i think the name of it is "long road", but i know for sure that it's on the "dead man walking" soundtrack. the studio version is exquisite - a duet between vedder & nusrat fateh ali khan. i was too overwhelmed to read the week's digests following the 11th, but i now regret not hearing patrick & co's stories from NYC. i used to live in tribeca, just 10 blocks away from the WTC. i looked at them out my LR window, and every day when i walked home. i still make a point of looking at them as i crosse the verrazano bridge on my way to visit my family, and use them as a compass whenever i'm in a confusing part of lower manhattan. it's still hard to wrap my mind around the fact that they're no longer there, let alone that all those people lost their lives. it's been a bit surreal here in DC with fighter planes flying overhead and the pentagon smoking. my thoughts and prayers... barbara np: st germaine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 10:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: The Binch (NJC) The Binch (with apologies to the Grinch) By: SaxonDawg Date: September 13, 2001 Every U down in Uville liked U.S. a lot, But the Binch, who lived Far East of Uville, did not. The Binch hated U.S! the whole U.S. way! Now don't ask me why, for nobody can say, It could be his turban was screwed on too tight. Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright But I think that the most likely reason of all May have been that his heart was two sizes too small. But, Whatever the reason, his heart or his turban, He stood facing Uville, the part that was urban. "They're doing their business," he snarled from his perch. "They're raising their families! They're going to church! They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving, I MUST keep the S's and U's from surviving!" Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's, Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses, They'd go to their offices, playgrounds and schools, And abide by their U and S values and rules, And then they'd do something he liked least of all, Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small, Would stand all united, each U and each S, And they'd sing Uville's anthem, "God bless us! God bless!" All around their Twin Towers of Uville, they'd stand, and their voices would drown every sound in the land. "I must stop that singing," Binch said with a smirk, And he had an idea--an idea that might work! The Binch stole some U airplanes in U morning hours, And crashed them right into the Uville Twin Towers. "They'll wake to disaster!" he snickered, so sour, "And how can they sing when they can't find a tower?" The Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping, All set to enjoy their U-wailing and weeping, Instead he heard something that started quite low, And it built up quite slow, but it started to grow-- And the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing... And he couldn't believe it--they started to sing! He stared down at U-ville, not trusting his eyes, What he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise! Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small, Was singing! Without any towers at all! He HADN'T stopped U-Ville from singing! It sung! For down deep in the hearts of the old and the young, Those Twin Towers were standing, called Hope and called Pride, And you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside. So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall, With a hand in each hand of the tall and the small, And we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope, For we still have inside that U-Pride and U-Hope. For America means a bit more than tall towers, It means more than wealth or political powers, It's more than our enemies ever could guess, So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! ~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:22:39 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: 10 desert island discs <> Sorry Reuben, Laurent SPECIFICALLY said only one disc per artist...so you're disqualified and can't take any of these! But not to worry, I'll see if I can sneak you a few covers CD's! ;~) And while I'm at it, here's mine: 1. Joni Mitchell, Hejira 2. XTC, Skylarking 3. Bruce Springsteen, Nebraska 4. Ani Difranco, Little Plastic Castle 5. Elvis Costello, This Year's Model 6. Loggins & Messina, Mother Lode 7. Tom Waits, Blue Valentine 8. Sam Cooke, The Man & His Music 9. The Doobie Brothers, What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits 10.Nirvana, Nevermind And you can bet I would try with all my might to smuggle another 30 or so along! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:22:44 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Uncle John !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! happy birthday, john, minority member in the neths!!!!!!! i like you oh so very very very much!! wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:26:16 +0100 From: Subject: Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes Bill Pearson wrote: > So that *was* Alicia (we're a bit behind you on this one in the UK)I keep > hearing the name, but that was the first time I have seen or heard her. > Wasn't the song 'Someday, We'll All Be Free' written by Donny Hathaway I > think but wouldn't swear to it. > Yes that was a Donny Hathaway tune and what a great version by Alicia, who was new to me also. I thought Willie Nelson, Stevie Wonder and Neil Young were amazing. I wasn't a Sheryl Crow fan but now I definitely am. Birthday greetings and appreciation to John Van Tiel and (belatedly) to Bob Muller and all the virgos who had birthdays recently. Philip np Jobim - Meditation ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #434 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?