From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #433 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 433 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: slouching to war? [Catherine McKay ] Re: slouching to war? (njc) ["Lori R. Fye" ] America's Course (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Oops!!! (Birthdays, NJC) ["Pitassi, Mary" ] Re: Happy Birthdays (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] First concert(s)? (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] glad for Secretary Powell (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: happy birthday (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes [FredNow@aol.c] First Concert(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] pray for leaders; don't harbour wrath (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Amy Correia [was America's TV special] NJC [dsk ] Re: First Concert(njc) ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: First Concert(njc) [Janet Hess ] Re: First concert(s)? (NJC) ["Sybil Skelton" ] Nuvo Magazine [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #431 [RobSher50@aol.com] German resistance ["shane mattison" ] Re: Isaiah NJC [RobSher50@aol.com] A Big Me Too (NJC) [Leslie Mixon ] Re: telethon part 2 (njc) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: German resistance [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Catching Up! (NJC) [Susan Guzzi ] Birthday Wishes Bob-njc [Scott and Jody ] Re: slouching to war? (njc) very long ["J. R. Mills" ] Re: Catching Up! (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc ["hell" ] Re: birthday ["hell" ] Re: First concert(s)? (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: Catching Up! (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: First Concert(njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:34:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: slouching to war? - --- Anne Sandstrom wrote: > So, am I the only one who seems to be spending most > of my waking hours > actually trying to figure out how to solve this > thing? (Or is that really > common?) I keep thinking there's a strategy we > haven't thought of. And I > keep trying to figure out what that might be. I do it too - even though, in the end, whatever you and I or anyone here on this list may think, things will most likely unfold as they will and we won't have any control over it. I know that sounds very pessimistic. I'm trying not to be pessimistic about it, but it's so hard. I keep thinking if there were some kind of really smart weapon that could take out just those who are behind these evil deeds without any innocent people being hurt... or if there really were one of those elite forces that could go in and arrest these guys and try them in a world court... and then the families of all the victims the world over could sue bin Laden's ass, and provide education and famine relief for the people of Afghanistan... > > I'm also wondering how we can educate ourselves > against such attacks. One > thought I have is that if we all made an effort to > know our neighbors and > become real communities again, that's a pretty good > weapon. It's probably > one of the most effective weapons the terrorists > themselves use. (They take > it to extremes - you have to be related or come from > the same town to be in > a cell.) Anyway, that's the beginning of a thought. > I'll be interested to > hear others - positive ways we can protect ourselves > and how to carry out > the ideas on a day to day basis. I read a story in the paper today about an airline captain giving his passengers advice on what to do if highjackers show up - stand up to them, throw stuff at their heads, throw blankets and coats over their heads. Kind of strange, but what is there to lose that wouldn't be lost anyway in such a case? Maybe we should form our own cells. There was a Kurt Vonnegut book (I don't remember which one) where people were put into clans or families - they didn't have to be related to each other at all by birth - in fact, it was better if they weren't and there were maybe only 20 or so of these clans (in the world? in the USA?), but they all had to look out for each other. I guess you don't have to organize people into groups like that but if, as you say, we all get to know our neighbours better, in the communities where we live, the communities where we work - or communities like this one - then we would care about each other and help each other out. I think we've gotten away from that too much. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: slouching to war? (njc) Anne wrote: > One thought I have is that if we all made an > effort to know our neighbors and become real > communities again, that's a pretty good weapon. I have the extremely good fortune of living in a very diverse neighborhood with neighbors who take the time to welcome newcomers and to visit with each other pretty regularly. In 25 years of living on my own, I haven't experienced this since I was a kid, and it's a joy to live this way again. Believe me, it feels really good to know your neighbors and to watch out for and take care of each other. If you haven't done so recently, take the time to say hello to your neighbors and find out how they are, and really listen to what they have to tell you. There's a slideshow being passed around these days; I don't know who created it, but it has some good advice. I uploaded it to my website rather than attaching it. http://www.geocities.com/lrfye/todayonly.pps Peace to all, Lori in MD ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:08:04 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: America's Course (njc) drew limski in this article really shows both what is at stake and therefore how inadequate are some responses: http://tm0.com/lattespecial/sbct.cgi?s=170289268&i=394469&d=1813595 shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 19:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) I have been racking my brain about this and I could be totally wrong, but I "think" my first 45 was either "Cool Jerk" by The Capitols, or "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" by Gene Pitney. (Who knows ... my mom used to buy 10-packs of various 45s at W.T. Grant and bring them home ... we had quite a variety of tunes, anyone of which could have been "first.") First 33 1/3? Sheesh! Probably "The Partridge Family." (How embarrassing.) Lori in MD, with apologies to anyone who is having trouble with data transfer on my website ... ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:57:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Happy Birthdays (NJC) kate@katebennett.com writes: Well that would apply to at least 15% of the male JMDLers :~D sorry Kate, I'm just in a silly mood tonight :~) Jimmy NP: "Durwood Douche"- Thanks Uncle John!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:00:24 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthdays (NJC) In a message dated 9/23/01 10:59:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, FMYFL@aol.com writes: > Well that would apply to at least 15% of the male JMDLers :~D > > sorry Kate, I'm just in a silly mood tonight :~) > > ROTFLMAO!!!! choking for air rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:02:58 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: bob muller!!!!!!!! njc > A big Happy Birthday to the King of Joni Covers! Have a great one, > Bob! > Yes! A very big Happy F@#$ing Birthday indeed! I'm still thinking about some of those covers I heard. Victor, just getting back into town Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:04:54 -0500 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Oops!!! (Birthdays, NJC) I am so, so sorry! Forgot to say "happy birthday" to Steve Polifka, he of the mellifluous voice on June 16, 2001 in Milwaukee, WI, and multi-talented, chemist/artist Grandma Heather, first met at Julie's Pittsburgh Jonifest in 1998, and Bob Muller, who may have done more to disseminate Joni's music to the world than her last three record labels combined, and Janet Hess in DC, proud human companion to Deanna the Wonderkitty, and long-time list member. Am I forgetting anybody?? Happy birthday to Virgos and Libras, one and all! With much affection, Mary P. in Madison. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:06:46 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthdays (NJC) In a message dated 9/23/01 9:59:23 PM, FMYFL@aol.com writes: << Well that would apply to at least 15% of the male JMDLers :~D sorry Kate, I'm just in a silly mood tonight :~) >> Are you sure it's not a "Jilly" mood, Jimmy? And I think that percentage is a little low. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:08:02 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: First concert(s)? (NJC) It seems like we may have done this before, but why not give it another go? My first concert, chaperoned by my mother, was (yikes!) David Cassidy. (Hey! I was 12!) My first concert NOT chaperoned was Three Dog Night. The James Gang (WITH Joe Walsh) opened for them. At the Akron Rubber Bowl (say what you will). My cousins and I thought it was THE BIGGEST THRILL to leave our seats to join everyone on the field to sing "Celebrate!" Oddly, I think I was still 12. I have no idea what my parents were thinking! Your turn! Lori in MD ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:20:54 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: glad for Secretary Powell (njc) reports are that Secretary Powell is the powerful cabinet minister who exercises caution against proliferation, takes careful diplomatic and coalition building steps, including islamic countries (once again he seems to be getting a majority of islamic countries to lend support). I think this is something to be thankful for. He seems to think about poor peoples and innocent lives more than most of the security council. Hurray for Powell. All of us in the world need his deliberation and care. shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:08:31 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: happy birthday (NJC) Happy mmmm... Birthday to you!!! Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:20:34 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: your favorite stars pay tribute to our nation's heroes "Kate Bennett" wrote: >I thought it was >meaningful that a Canadian [Celine Dion] sang God Bless America >(or is she a US citizen >now?). Even more meaningful is that a Russian immigrant wrote it. I was driving home from a gig the other night and listening to talk radio; a woman called in to actually *complain* that a Canadian was singing "God Bless America," somehow completely missing the irony inherent in her complaint. Like I said, I'm not a big fan of the song ... all of humanity needs God's blessing, now more than ever. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:21:41 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: First Concert(njc) > It seems like we may have done this before, but why not give it another > go? > > My first concert, chaperoned by my mother, was (yikes!) David Cassidy. > (Hey! I was 12!) My first concert was Iron Maiden -Powerslave tour at Lakeland Civic Center with Twisted Sister as the opening act. I was accompanied by my dad, a friend, and his dad who happened to be a priest. I went down into the middle of the floor and finnagled my way up to the front, surrounded by masses, lost in the bright lights and the heavy metal music that seemed to course through my veins, the strong, clear, powerful tenor voice of Bruce Dickinson accompanied by wailing guitars, and the thunder of the bass and drums. Strange egyptian stage set with pharoahs, mummies, and Osiris dogs and heiroglyphics. I wish I could experience that night again. Such power! up the irons! Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:35:14 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: pray for leaders; don't harbour wrath (njc) Paul's letter to Timothy: I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 20:24:35 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: 3 Birthdays! njc > > Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, who was so > > cute on Tuesday when she > > woke me up while wearing that silly party hat and > > singing "Happy Birthday" > > Happy birthday, Janet, you old fart you! > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca Hey & a happy belated Birthday from me as well! I always enjoy reading about the further adventures of Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty! Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:39:33 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Amy Correia [was America's TV special] NJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > NP: Amy Correia, "Carnival Love" Isn't she great? I found out about her last April when she opened for Richard Thompson at Town Hall in NYC. I instantly loved her scratchy, full of longing voice; it reminded me right away of Edith Piaf. Her final encore at that concert, and also when I saw her on July 4th opening for Emmylou Harris, was La Vie en Rose, a Piaf classic, so Amy herself must identify with Piaf. Also love her catchy tunes and the way she stomps her boots on the wooden floor when performing (her moves were the same but the effect wasn't quite as impressive on the makeshift outdoor stage of the July 4th concert). I was also extremely impressed by the cellist who accompanies her. Her playing is so unique -- sometimes it's like another voice, sometimes like drums, very unusual. The cello is silver so the look of it is odd too. It's hard to believe such warm sounds could come out of what looks like a hunk of metal. I'm glad to see Amy getting some recognition. How did you find out about her? Did she open for RT when you saw him in Greenville? Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:30:18 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: First Concert(njc) Linda Ronstadt She was awesome. Mack - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "joni" Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2001 10:21 PM Subject: First Concert(njc) > > It seems like we may have done this before, but why not give it another > > go? > > > > My first concert, chaperoned by my mother, was (yikes!) David Cassidy. > > (Hey! I was 12!) > > My first concert was Iron Maiden -Powerslave tour at Lakeland Civic Center > with Twisted Sister as the opening act. I was accompanied by my dad, a > friend, and his dad who happened to be a priest. I went down into the > middle of the floor and finnagled my way up to the front, surrounded by > masses, lost in the bright lights and the heavy metal music that seemed to > course through my veins, the strong, clear, powerful tenor voice of Bruce > Dickinson accompanied by wailing guitars, and the thunder of the bass and > drums. Strange egyptian stage set with pharoahs, mummies, and Osiris dogs > and heiroglyphics. I wish I could experience that night again. Such power! > > up the irons! > > Victor > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, > Come when you lay down your head. > While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, > That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:39:09 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: First Concert(njc) Back before lots of JMDLers were born, I saw Frankie Avalon in concert in Orlando, Florida, back when four human beings in the United States had even heard of Orlando, Florida. That's to say that it was 1959 or 1960. That which is now Walt Disney World was then the swamp we drove through to get to the ocean. See what I mean by old fart? Cheerz, Janet and Deanna Ivy the Wonderkitty, currently stretched out on our bed and looking at me quizzically And thanks from both of us for the many birthday greetings - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 23:07:58 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: First concert(s)? (NJC) My first concert ever was also chaperoned by my mother. It was THE BEATLES!!!! I was 11, and my mother's boss gave her four tickets on the condition that she would also take his two daughters, both aged 9. When I look back I think how heroic my mother was to take 3 little girls into that mayhem. I remember almost nothing except the amazing sight of those guys on the stage and the deafening roar caused by 10,000 girls screaming hysterically. Oddly enough, I remember being able to hear the music as well, I just don't remember if it was any good. Sybil _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:13:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Nuvo Magazine Hey Leslie (or any of our Canadian family) Did the issue of Nuvo Magazine with the article of Joni with some of your photos (Leslie) hit the shelves yet? I can't wait to see it, but I'm not even sure if it's available in the U.S. If anyone's seen it, please let me know! Jimmy NP: Lydia Von Damme "Everybody's fucking but me" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:13:59 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #431 I saw them in July and I am a big fan of theirs. The original members were, as you mentioned, the horn section, the drummer and the keyboardist. (Robert Lamm, I think) The other keyboardist with the scratchy voice who also played guitar (skinny fellow) has been with them for many years. The lead vocalist who played the bass has been with the group for several years. His name is Jason Scheff. During the concert, I had my eyes closed listening to one of the songs, and his guitar pick landed in my lap! Boy was I the envy of those around me! The pick has the Chicago logo on one side and his name in gold on the other side. I will treasure it always. The reason I like Chicago so much is because they dared to be musical innovative at a time when only straight chords were cool. My favorite example is the intro to "Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is?" I was in high school and just jumping into music theory. The chords that these guys were playing blew me away. Their rhythms and tempos were not what you normally heard back then (the 70's). I am convinced that they have the best horn section in the "world." (Tower of Power and Memphis horns come next) The one member who rounded out the group and who was, I believe the founder of Chicago, died from an accidental gun shot wound to the head. He thought the gun wasn't loaded. If you'd like to hear his voice, listen to the original Chicago recording of "Color My World" or "I Just Want To Be Free." Robert Lamm's voice is most like his, but as Robert has stated, sometimes it's just too painful for him to do his friend's songs. Even today, he is missed very much by the group. Sorry to ramble on but I just love this band! Sherelle In a message dated 09/23/2001 11:24:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 06:47:38 EDT > From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com > Subject: Chicago (NJC) > > Greetings Everyone: > > Last night, I saw Chicago at the Greek. It was my second time to see them > and it was totally different. The first time was at Anaheim Stadium in the > mid-1970s when they toured with the Beach Boys. I was there for the > latter. > Not being a real fan of theirs, I was wondering if anyone on the list was > familiar with their history. They put on a decent show, I'd give it a 7 of > 10. Some real toe-tappers and the obligatory drum solo by a drummer from > Laguna Beach. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:28:34 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: German resistance Karl Barth was also instrumental in drafting and supporting the Barmen Declaration denouncing the Nazi State. He lost his professorship as a result and was deported to his home of Switzerland. However, Barth wrote letters to England and Scotland about the evils of the Nazis and was theologically outlining his support that they go to war. Therefore he was, in the thirties, one with Winston Churchill, in preparing the allies to go to war. I completely disagree with the Rev. Vince vis a vis the Taliban. Bin Laden by all reports has been inextricably one with them. The U.N. was originally conceived as a world body that would crack down on rogue fascist states like the Taliban...with force. I respected most of the other posts, Rev. Vince and I appreciate your duties as a man of the cloth and related pacifism. But with this last one, I have to beg to disagree. If Colin Powell can make this an U.N. backed effort, taking out the Taliban, with its attendent subjugation of the Afghanistan people is a proactive and liberating event. Visit Holland, and talk to the elderly dutch about their liberation. There are times when prayers have also to be backed up with governmental and statesmanlike justice, or it is an abdication of the rights of man. shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:20:17 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Isaiah NJC Dear Shane, Thank you for posting this in its entirety. It helped me. Sherelle In a message dated 09/23/2001 11:24:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; > they shall mount up with wings as eagles; > they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 21:35:53 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: A Big Me Too (NJC) Let me add my voice to the "Happy Birthday" chorus for Bob Muller. A true gentleman, Joni scholar and lovable to boot. Sincerely, Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:36:49 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: telethon part 2 (njc) Dear Kate, I forgot to add Sting into my original post. His song, "Fragile" brought tears to my eyes. I saw on TV that the song was written as a tribute after the death of John Lennon. I also agree that Don Henley's "New York Minute" would have been a bit too much for me, even though it is a beautiful song. Sherelle In a message dated 09/23/2001 7:27:50 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 15:10:57 -0700 > From: "Kate Bennett" > Subject: telethon part 2 njc > > I forgot to mention Sting singing "Fragile". One of the most beautiful songs > ever written, imho. I was wondering if Don Henley might sing "In a New York > Minute". That might have been too intense though. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 01:17:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: German resistance In a message dated 9/24/01 12:17:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cactussong@home.com writes: > . > I completely disagree with the Rev. Vince vis a vis the Taliban. Bin Laden > by all reports has been inextricably one with them. The U.N. was originally > conceived as a world body that would crack down on rogue fascist states like > the Taliban...with force. > I respected most of the other posts, Rev. Vince and I appreciate your > duties > as a man of the cloth and related pacifism. But with this last one, I have > to > beg to disagree. If Colin Powell can make this a U.N. backed effort, taking > out the Taliban, with its attendant subjugation of the Afghanistan people > is a proactive and liberating event. > Or to put it in simpler terms, pacifism is fine as a global THEORY, but when faced with real-life terrorists or fascists, pacifism is a theory for fools and cowards. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:18:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Catching Up! (NJC) Well here I go with another hodge -podge of a post ...First of all HAPPY BIRTHDAYZZZ to Steve (who was in Chicago and didn*t even call for a free birthday drink!), to Marian, to Bob Smurfy Muller, Heather and Janet. A belated wish to Mary Pitassi who I am dammned glad is okay as I got worried there for a bit, since we hadn*t heard from you in awhile. As if we need one more chiming in on this issue but I just have to say how cruel it was here to make the now often mention comment about *martini drinkers,* aimed at Kakki. ...First of all I think ideaologically speaking, Kakki and I are very different, but our goal is the same. Her posts are again compassionate and not filled with rhetoric but are fact based and/or spiritually supportive. Secondly, I drink vodka martinis. however Kakki made me one helluva gin martini, I would like to know if the post favors one or the other!? My thinking is, if any two people who make or drink martinis - one a gin person - the other a vodka and can get along in this world, then there is still hope for all of us! Now on to other important matters ... My first 45 was - Ferry Cross the Mercie (spelling) by Jerry and the Pacemakers or whatever! My first album was either *Meet the Beatles or Dave Clark Five's Glad All Over. It*s kind of a blurr. Now I have my Mother to blame ,,, I mean thank for many things, one being music at an early age. I grew up with Johnny Mathis/Chances Are & Patsy Cline/Crazy. I can remember playing them over and over again, hanging over the console stereo watching the record go round and round and ... Unfortunately, when I tried to bring music to my mother she almost always hated it. ESPECIALLY - Joni. But for the most part those two artist taught me to sing. When I preformed for the first time in public around 12 years ago I sang Patsy (granted Willie Nelson wrote the song), and it kind of became my (like I am even worthy of the term) signature song around the piano bars and women*s bars where I used to sing on occasion. That's all for now - sorry my spell check does not appear to be working! Peace! Susan Guzzi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 00:27:08 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Birthday Wishes Bob-njc Hey Bob!! I've known you since you were Rmurocks(SP?)( I'm going into the way back machine now...) We've gone from Apple Venus to the demos with lot's of Joni inbetween!!!!! Thank you for everything that you do for this list. You are such a Sweetheart! As far as the *Smurph Thing* I know nothinghk"!!! Love, jody ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:56:19 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: slouching to war? (njc) very long I've just been watching "60 minutes" on CBS. As one might expect, this segment was devoted entirely to the terrorist situation confronting the U.S. Their reports were absolutely chilling and foreboding. Our Nations are in a world of shit re: the outlook on terrorism attacks going forward. I don't want to come off as the alarmist, but I'm petrified...not with fear, but by the sheer magnitude of the challenges facing the United States if we are to get a handle on this apocalyptic state of affairs, foreign and domestic. > Anne wrote: > > > One thought I have is that if we all made an > > effort to know our neighbors and become real > > communities again, that's a pretty good weapon. I'm agreeing with Anne: Community would be a powerful deterrent to sociopathic behavior and deadly covert terrorist operations, most likely. And it's just a good idea under any circumstances. Unfortunately, you can't legislate it into being, and if you could, you probably couldn't enforce it. Envisioning the groundswell of social change and effort it would take to make the good neighbor approach a viable strategy to fight terrorism in America would challenge the imagination of even the greatest optimists among us. I mean, come on, we're still trying to use the power of positive thinking and "integration" alone to combat the residual racism from slavery...140 years after the Civil War. Well, that hyperbole, but you know what I'm saying? Moreover, the person living across the way from me wants to know me more than I ever needed or wanted any neighbor to already. I don't want folks knocking on my door to see "how I'm doing" and sticking their nose in while I'm minding my own business as a matter of patriotic duty, frankly. A right to privacy used to be one of the things that were an attribute of this country. Nevertheless, real communities would be a good thing. It may take 200 more years for us to become good enough neighbors to solve our current terrorism problems, but by all means, let us begin. But back to "60 Minutes," if I may. The problems the show illuminated to me are: a) They're giving out tourist and student visas like hotcakes in American embassies in virtually every country in the world, with little to no background checks of the recipients. Literally millions of people come to the U.S. on a six-month visa and never, ever leave. We have no way of knowing whether they leave or not anyway, as there is no exit tracking system. All the alleged terrorists involved in the recent attacks got into the country this way and stayed, no sweat. To quote the show: "One of the things we've learned in the last two weeks is that we don't know much about the people coming into this country. The terrorists who carried out the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon didn't wade across the Rio Grande or crawl through a Canadian cornfield. They didn't have to. The United States government opened its front door and let them in." http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,312187-412,00.shtml b) These suicide bombers are a frightening lot, but according to psychiatric experts, they're not psychotic. They gleefully carry out these suicide operations, with no fear, seeking to become martyrs. They consider it a high honor and the syndrome, if you will, is pervasive in Middle Eastern culture. The young men who engage in these activities, and there are thousands of them, believe for certain that they'll be rewarded with "65 beautiful virgin wives" in Paradise. It's disturbing because it reminds me of the blind obedience to authority that was characteristic of Nazi fascism, but this time it's not Hitler pulling the strings, but their perception of the commands of Allah. God himself. The shrinks said that part of the problem is that these young men feel they have little to lose, as life is hell because of the suffering and poverty they've endured at the hands of the Israelis. They see Israel and the U.S. as inseparable now and feel that America's alliance with that country comes at their expense. This wasn't in the CBS report, but I'm reminded of a psychological condition known as "learned helplessness." There was an experiment that exemplified that dysfunction as I recall: In a "Pavlov's Dog" type experiment, psychologists put a lab animal in a cage with an electrified grid for a floor. When the animal would settle in one spot, they give it a severe electric shock, it would move somewhere else, and they'd shock it again till the animal had tried every spot in the cage and got shocked every time. Finally, the animal would just cower in the corner getting shocked to death, even after they had eliminated the electric current in certain parts of the cage. "Learned helplessness" in humans gives way to extremism like these suicide bombings, I'm opining. What do we have to lose, these Arab young men must figure. http://www.cbsnews.com/now/story/0,1597,312098-412,00.shtml Yet, come to think of it, what's the difference between religious fanaticism and patriotic altruism? Isn't our government essentially tell our young men and woman to be prepared to die for your country...to, in effect, die for an ideal? What's the real difference between flag-waving, patriotic hymn propaganda inundation on the American mass media and a fervent sermon on the glory of martyrdom in a Islamic mosque in Afghanistan? They're both selling death in the guise of nationalism and defense of the homeland. c.) Then there was yet another report on just how ineffective security at U.S. airports is. Sigh. Deep sigh. d.) Not depressed yet? For the kicker, they had an interview with First Lady of America, Laura Bush. Seems like a nice enough, well-meaning person...and I can imagine her being a swell candidate from Texas for "Miss America" in her younger days. Well, the "Miss Congeniality" sash anyway. But you have to go way, way back to find a more cookie-baking, kindergarten-reading-list-policy-making wife of an American President. I can't think of one at all, actually. I take that back...there was Nancy and "Just Say No" during the mythical War on Drugs, although even she exuded a certain strength of character. But bless Laura's heart, it's not her job to be a beacon of strength to the country. I guess we just got lucky with Hillary, Rosalyn, Jackie, Eleanor, Mary Todd, Martha and even Betty and Pat to an extent. Mrs. Bush comes off so naive as to be frightening though. She was saying things like "oh George gets to the office by 7 a.m. every morning these days and sometimes stays late." Yikes! Say what you want about Bill Clinton, but the guy is a tireless worker who burned the midnight oil without sleep almost every night with his security staff managing the war against the Serbs in Kosovo. We didn't lose a single soldier in that conflict. I don't see any rings under George W's eyes. It's almost as if the magnitude of the situation and his place in history escapes the so-called Leader of the Free World. Let's pray real hard for him . - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:40:11 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: first records first 33 1/2 was a Beach Boys, Surfing Safari or Surfing USA a present from my Dad who had actually been to California!!!!!!! first 45 was I Wanna Hold Your Hand - Beatles, I have all my old 45s but not that one :~{ but really the first record I listened to was the Billy Goats Gruff...at my Grandmother's house...oooo it was so scary & I played it over & over! my parents played lots of Broadway Musicals & my favorite were Oliver & West Side Story- I memorized all the songs to both & acted out all the parts in my basement... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:01:17 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Catching Up! (NJC) In a message dated 9/24/01 12:23:33 AM, groovchacha@yahoo.com writes: << HAPPY BIRTHDAYZZZ to Steve (who was in Chicago and didn*t even call for a free birthday drink!), to Marian, to Bob Smurfy Muller >> Bob Smurfy Muller? Gee, Susan, I don't know what to make of this. *I* am Bob Smurfy (AKA Bob Murphy). I have apparently been forever renamed by a certain big-hearted Joni fanatic in Topsfield. What's more, it is not my birthday. And I have not married Bob Muller and taken his name. September 23rd is, however, Bob Muller's birthday. And although it can be difficult on this list to keep your Bob M's straight, just remember that Muller is the nice one. Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:22:20 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: a salute to songwriters of the 60s and 70s - vljc Bob wrote: > Anyway, we were sitting around listening to music last night and my friend > told me that he is planning a concert in December with the school's chorus > and asked me if I had any ideas for what he might do. Since many of the > parents of these kids would have been teenagers and young adults during the > 60s and 70s, I suggested that he put together a salute to the songwriters of > that period. He loved the idea, and we immediately started compiling a list > of some of the songwriters he should include. Here are some of the people we > came up with: > > Joni (my first suggestion, of course) > Lennon/McCartney > Dylan > Stevie Wonder > Laura Nyro > Otis Redding > Holland, Dozier, Holland > Leonard Cohen > Bert Bachrach > Jagger/Richards > Jimmy Webb > James Taylor Others have already suggested some of these, but I would definitely include Carole King, Paul Simon, John Phillips (Mamas and Papas) and possibly Neil Young - who has some songs from that period that would be pretty easy for kids to sing. And maybe CSNY too - Our House, Helplessly Hoping, Teach Your Children. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:24:18 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) I never owned any 45s of my own, although I do still have a few "hand-me-downs" from my sister, including the Beach Boys and the Monkees. The first 33 1/3 was a Shona Laing album - Shooting Stars Are Only Seen At Night. The first one that any one here would recognise would be Abba - Arrival. White jumpsuits and helicopters! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:26:27 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: birthday Happy birthday to everyone that I've missed over the last little while, including Steve of the Immaculate Hair, the Mary's, Heather and Janet - who has a very cool cat. My cat woke up on my birthday and looked at me with an expression that seemed to say "Hhmmph - it's your birthday. So?" Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:32:05 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: First concert(s)? (NJC) Lori (my esteemed DC hostess) wrote: > It seems like we may have done this before, but why not give it another > go? > > My first concert, chaperoned by my mother, was (yikes!) David Cassidy. > (Hey! I was 12!) > > My first concert NOT chaperoned was Three Dog Night. The James Gang (WITH > Joe Walsh) opened for them. At the Akron Rubber Bowl (say what you will). > My cousins and I thought it was THE BIGGEST THRILL to leave our seats to > join everyone on the field to sing "Celebrate!" Oddly, I think I was > still 12. I have no idea what my parents were thinking! My first concert (that I remember) was Sharon O'Neill, a Kiwi singer-songwriter now based in Australia. I was 16. It was held at the Kensington Stadium, in Whangarei, NZ - the first concert held there since the stadium went up. This is not a "stadium" as you'd know it in the US - I think there were 1000 people, and we were packed in like sardines! I also remember there was an uproar the following week when it was discovered that all the stilleto heels had marked up the basketball court (not mine, obviously - I wore sensible shoes). Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 18:35:07 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Catching Up! (NJC) Susan wrote: > But for the most part those two artist taught me to > sing. When I preformed for the first time in public > around 12 years ago I sang Patsy (granted Willie > Nelson wrote the song), and it kind of became my (like > I am even worthy of the term) signature song around > the piano bars and women*s bars where I used to sing > on occasion. And which you will obviously be performing again for us, at Jonifest next year. Right? I forgot to add my favourite of my parents. I was partial to Peter and the Wolf (even though it scared me) but used to love Fiddler On The Roof. I still do! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:33:26 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: First Concert(njc) In a message dated 9/23/01 11:28:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > with Twisted Sister as the opening act. Hey I remember seeing these guys at a club in Jersey. It was the crowd they drew that scared the sh*t out of me. My first concert you'll be happy to know Victor was Jethro Tull at the Filmore East accompanied by my older brother Nick who lived in the east village at the time. Grand Funk Railroad was on the ticket too. Remember them? Oh and that famous lightshow. Those were the days. sigh Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #433 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?