From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #429 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 429 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: September 22 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: September 22 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Rumi/birthdays NJC [was: backlash towards muslims] ["Marian" ] Birthday stuff njc pitassi content ["Wally Kairuz" ] chretien government cowardice (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: threatened by gang of 25 vietnamese tonight (njc) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: threatened by gang of 25 vietnamese tonight (njc) [Mags ] Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc [SCJoniGuy@ao] my photos NJC [Mags ] gandhi and dr king, again NJC [Mags ] Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc [RoseMJoy@aol] Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc [SCJoniGuy@ao] Re: chomsky lives in Massachusetts NJC [PMcfad@aol.com] Happy Birthday To You (NJC) [Leslie Mixon ] Re: Happy Birthday To You (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] birthday ["Stephen Epstein" ] Hippo Broadbean NJC ["Leslie Ross" ] RE: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc ["jlamadoo, h] Re: NJC - benefit [Jerry Notaro ] America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc ["kerry" ] Re: Why meeeeeeeee? WHY NOT ME!!!(njc) [Bruyere ] Re: Happy Birthday To You (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Birthday stuff njc pitassi content ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Birthday stuff njc pitassi content [Bruyere ] Re: the march toward war...(NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) [Leslie Mixon ] Re: the march toward war...(NJC) ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Rumi/birthdays NJC [was: backlash towards muslims] On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 18:14:08 -0400 dsk wrote > On 18 September 2001 09:42, dsk [SMTP:dsk11@bellatlantic.net] wrote: > > Here's something else Rumi wrote: > > > > It's good to leave each day behind, > > like flowing water, free of sadness. > > Yesterday is gone and its tale told. > > Today new seeds are growing. > So, to me, Rumi's words are very gentle and > rather than being a command, I take them as a > suggestion, one full of hope. If there's a day > when all sadness cannot be left behind... and > some days are like that... the image of new > seeds growing anyway, even when we've not > planted them, is comforting to me. Such growth > is inevitable. Life does go on. It is hard to > imagine now how any good can come from > the killing of over 6,000 people. I hope > somehow some does. Thank you again for posting Rumi's quote and for what you say above - how it helps you. I feel such a deep sense of sadness still. I will try to think about new seeds growing in spite of everything. > On a more tangible note... happy birthday > to you and your almost-twin Heather! May > you both have many many more! Thank you! > I'm looking forward to a guitar lesson or two > from you at the next Jonifest. It will be a pleasure! Please make sure we do this! > Prepare yourself. > It will be a challenge. Prepare yourself to be surprised! Love, Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:32:10 +0200 From: "Marian" Subject: Happy Birthday (NJC) On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:11:07 EDT Mary TimandMaryPowers@aol.com wrote: > My birthday was September 20 too. Hope you had a very happy birthday, Mary and I'm sure the birthday fairy will happily add your name to his list. Best wishes! Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 04:38:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Birthday stuff njc pitassi content i have just realized that i made the most unforgivable omission. it is particularly horrible for two reasons: the birthday was almost a month ago and the birthday person is one of my favorite people on earth. how this came to pass, i will never know. so: dear MARY PITASSI: happy [oh so late so late so late!] birthday! i have always liked and learned so much from your posts. please forgive me. to the rest of the well wishers: mary's birthday was august 26!!!! she will probably never speak to me again. and i deserve it. love, wally [very close friend of the BF] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:48:04 +0200 From: "Marian" Subject: "Ox Cart Man" NJC On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:15:50 -0600 "shane mattison" wrote: > happy birthday marion and heather... > ...a poem by donald hall, born sept.20 > entitled "Ox Cart Man": > http://www.izaak.unh.edu/specoll/exhibits/ocmny.htm > shane Thank you for the birthday wishes, shane. What an unusual poem! Is there a story behind it? Love, Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 04:45:31 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: chretien government cowardice (njc) if anyone thinks its 'laughable' that liberals are not sensitive to votes, i would invite them to witness a liberal nomination meeting where new immigrants are bussed in by the hundreds with a diagram of a ballot on the bus with an "x" on it...in calgary northeast riding alone, about a thousand made it to a nomination meeting...edmonton as well...is it laughable that the edmonton located minister of justice's deputy minister is one, as well as her spokeswoman? it is naieve to think that such votes do not matter to the liberals...as well as the fear of saying no to them... this applies to home defence more than our paltry sized military...but who over many years politicized the military and made it paltry sized? ...the liberals... the only "preposterous" thing is for Chretien to deny there's a security problem within the nation, with 50 terrorist groups across the country, the one in chicago just arrested by the fbi had been let go by canadian immigration, knowing he had used fake i.d. to get into canada...no doubt they thought they should'nt affect his self-esteem...meanwhile the fbi found diagrams of an airline's flight plans with him...canada granted him welcome knowing his i.d. was false and he collected welfare from our taxes! bush isn't upset about the size of the canadian military but the conduit and cashe of terrorists that canada has become...laugh over that one... don't get me wrong...new immigrants go to these nomination meetings in such numbers that they put to shame other canadians in their political apathy...all the power to them, canadians deserve it...but its missing the first lesson in politics to think that their votes do not affect present liberal behaviour...its called reciprocity... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 05:20:55 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: threatened by gang of 25 vietnamese tonight (njc) i went to a nice dinner at my firefighter friend and his wife's place tonight...i gave donna a hug afterwards on the patio and rick and i walked to near where my car was parked. it was nighttime, just after midnight...we talked for a second on the sidewalk before i would go to my car...it is a pleasant middle class, usually quiet neighborhood... ...a convoy of five cars slowly passes by on the road, very slowly...too slowly... they were vietnamese...we have gang troubles with them in calgary...and i taught highschool and i knew...they got to a couple of houses further...after one of them in the window gave us a kind of a finger...we watched them only...at the end of the block they started a u-turn... rick, ever the alert fireman is rushing back to the side of his house to the back entrance of the house saying...now shane...get in the house...now... donna's in the house...we percieve through the front windows they are stopping right in front...we turn off the lights...they would get out of their cars...probably 25 of them...then get in again after a few moments...after 5 minutes they left...rick by then had called the police...they weren't interested, repeating a real pattern that rick had been in before in calgary...the CPS (Calgary Police Service) will often decline to have anything to do with gangs, especially vietnamese...rick witnessed a beating they did a couple of years ago and the police never came...he was told later in HQ that they often don't because they're frightened of them too, so they like to just wash their hands of it... so they didn't respond to rick's call for help...after 5 minutes gone they all rolled back in again, the cars, phalanx like, one car beside another blocking the road...they then stopped again, their headlights shining on ricks house... i called for help this time and still the police wouldn't come... they kept repeating this pattern of intimidation about 3 times...we went through about an hour and a half of their terrorizing...then they left again...i had called the police a second time myself... after 15 minutes maybe longer, a police van came ...(rick lives only half a mile from a station)...we explained the situation to them...then they offered to escort me behind my car for a number of miles till i got home... donna and i had never encountered such a thing before...with the police not responding, you can't imagine the feeling... one friend of mine had a lebanese gang through rocks right through her living room window... i had worked at police headquarters in calgary as a security officer for the canadian corps of commissionaires...i used to listen to the amount of ethnic gang crime in calgary on the radio dispatch on my belt...i was not armed...one night the jail police let a man go, giving him his baseball bat back...down to the lobby where i am, alone and unarmed at 3 in the morning with two locked doors behind me and he's carrying his baseball bat on his shoulder! but this was worse terror ...the gang was huge and they just decided to terrorize us because they saw us chatting on the sidewalk... when i was a kid you could roam all over calgary in safety, and i did... now you can't...we have 6 times the amount of violent assaults as santa barbara...this is a statistical fact... on my dispatch i would listen...every friday and saturday night a different gang was chaining somebody...one night it was lebanese...tonight it was vietnamese... and the liberal government made it all possible and probable... and chretien dillydathers... i'm pretty shaken up...so give me a break...will you? shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:19:30 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc did anyone tape this programme? If so, please contact me offlist. I would be ever grateful for a copy. thanks, Mags. "jlamadoo, home account" wrote: > Wow, if you missed this program, you missed a *LOT*. I won't even begin to > detail my thoughts except for the closing song: > > So here the evening ends. Here is Willie Nelson, personifying our thread > bare imperfection. Our fragile claim on blessings. Our off-kilter and > awkward, yet unwavering resolve. Our quiet dignity. > > Here we are, a mongrel nation. A mixed bag, rattling tonight with ashes and > gems. > > Lama - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 05:41:11 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: habbe birdday mary too (njc) well well well, another birdday gurl! mary, habbebirddayntonsmoretocome... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 07:44:23 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: threatened by gang of 25 vietnamese tonight (njc) shane, I am so sorry you and your friends had to go through something like that. This is the first time I have ever heard of such craziness. I had no idea that kind of thing happened in Calgary! And the police not responding... It is so hard for me to take that in. I hope one day gangs will look past violence as a means of control and amusement and turn towards more positive ideas. I may be dreaming... kammy in alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:54:43 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: threatened by gang of 25 vietnamese tonight (njc) Kammass@aol.com wrote: > < I am so sorry you and your friends had to go through something like that. > This is the first time I have ever heard of such craziness. I had no idea > that kind of thing happened in Calgary! And the police not responding... It > is so hard for me to take that in. > I hope one day gangs will look past violence as a means of control and > amusement and turn towards more positive ideas. I may be dreaming... > kammy in alabammy>> and now me: Im also sorry Shane, that you went through this...and I agree, I had no idea that this was going on in Calgary. One of my life long friends lives there and you can count on me calling her today to talk about this. Very scary!!!! Kammy, I feel that it is of the utmost importance that we hold onto dreams of peace. The idea of peace gets me through the night and into the next day. Especially now. Mags, still scared after all. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:00:48 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha Brook(e) -- njc In a message dated 9/20/2001 2:32:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Steady Pull' in the player. >> Mine's been playing non-stop for the last few months. Yep, this one is becoming my all time fav Jonatha CD, just having passed 10c Wings. Walt, you can find her tour schedule at her website: www.jonathabrooke.com. Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:07:39 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Gandhi and Dr.Martin Luther King Jr. NJC in the spirit of the peace i am inspired to share: "Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man." Mohandas K. Gandhi on nonviolence *** "Gandhi was inevitable. If humanity is to progress, Gandhi is inescapable. He lived, thought and acted, inspired by the vision of humanity evolving toward a world of peace and harmony. We may ignore Gandhi at our own risk." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:15:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc << did anyone tape this programme? If so, please contact me offlist. I would be ever grateful for a copy. >> I didn't, but I watched about the last hour of it. Surely somebody here had the recorder rolling, but if nobody did I've got a Springsteen buddy who did I'm sure...But don't you also think this will be available commercially as an additional fundraiser? I dunno, with all those stars the negotiations could be tougher than getting out the Howlin' Wolf! Since we got a new cable box, I can't get the VCR to hook up. Oh well. Comments on what I saw: Paul Simon's quiet and remarkably powerful "Bridge Over Troubled Water"...WOW, when I saw him I said, 'if he sings BOTW I'm gonna lose it'...he did, and I did. A sloppy mess (me, not him). Eddie Vedder & Neil Young - don't know what song that was, but it was powerful. Sting - His dedication and his beautiful performance of "Fragile" was one of the most toching moments musically. Bon Jovi - Never have liked them, but they they made 'Livin On A Prayer' like an anthemic hymn. Mariah Carey - Her song about heroes was great. Again, I'm not a fan, but this was a great performance. She was more concerned with putting across the emotion of the song, not hitting those high notes that only dogs can hear. Sheryl Crow - I like her a lot, but didn't care for her song. Monotonous melody, so I missed the lyric. But then again, "All I Wanna Do" probably would have been inappropriate! Celine Dion - Like my Mom taught me, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Willie Nelson/Finale - Forgetting the fact that Willie looked like he had been dug up out of his grave, this was also a very powerful moment...Stevie Wonder playing Harmonica, Neil Young playing guitar, and all the actors in the background...I really lost it again when I saw Dennis Franz & Jimmy Smits back there singing. If only Joni could have joined up... Bob NP: Clem Snide ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:42:33 -0400 From: Mags Subject: my photos NJC If someone is willing to post the series of photos I have, I would be willing to send them to that aforementioned someone so that they could post my aforementioned photos. Oh God..what a tangled web my mind weaves LOL.... seriously, I have so many classic and beautiful images .. Id love to share them with everyone. I dont have the technology to do so at this time. ideas? contact me offlist. Thanks for the bandwidth. Magsie, still a bit frustrated with the images that I did not get due to forgetting to load film. argh. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 09:55:30 -0400 From: Mags Subject: gandhi and dr king, again NJC sorry about that! i copied/pasted the two quotes from a web site and they didnt translate well...they are so beautiful and important, i am going to send them again..written out this time.... *** "Non violence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind. It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man. " Mohandas K. Gandhi on violence. **** "Gandhi was inevitable. If humanity is to progress, Gandhi is inescapable. He lived, thought and acted, inspired by the vision of humanity evolving toward a world of peace and harmony. We may ignore Gandhi at our own risk." Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. we can never give up on the idea of peace. never. Mags. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 10:05:20 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc In a message dated 9/22/01 9:17:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Paul Simon's quiet and remarkably powerful "Bridge Over Troubled > Water"...WOW, when I saw him I said, 'if he sings BOTW I'm gonna lose > it'...he did, and I did. A sloppy mess (me, not him). Me too > Eddie Vedder & Neil Young - don't know what song that was, but it was > powerful. > I wasn't able to tape it either. VCR is broken along with a few other things around here. I hope someone did though. I'm sure this will be aired again. Bob, you missed Neil Young doing his cover of "Imagine" on piano backed up by a string section and Bruce opening up with "Come Rise Up." An emotional night for all, I'm sure. Rose in NJ NP: the doormat song rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 10:22:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc << Bob, you missed Neil Young doing his cover of "Imagine" on piano backed up by a string section and Bruce opening up with "Come Rise Up." An emotional night for all, I'm sure. >> I'm surprised the ClearChannel folks didn't protest Neil's performance of 'Imagine'! ;~) You're right, I missed the first half, much to my chagrin. Hopefully I'll catch it on tape soon. And I wonder if Bruce is going to "retire" his song "American Skin/41 Shots", which is sorta anti-NYPD. Might not get a very positive response, moving though it may be... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:10:46 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: chomsky lives in Massachusetts NJC i read the chomsky piece. as well, seashells sent me some text off list too. i still don't see the world as they describe. my gut reaction after the bombings was that the taliban government needs to go. i was most moved with bush's speech the other night, particularly his line....we condemn the taliban regime. i've never condemned anyone in my life. but i'm comfortable with condemning the taliban. i do not believe the people of afghanistan, or the hungry people of pakistan are the aim of our government's quest for justice. i don't even believe that justice is the underlying motivator of our government right now. to me, there will never be justice for the attacks we suffered and i believe our government is able to grasp that concept as well. the only possible positive outcome we can hope for after that attack is to see that it does not happen again. ever. and i'm comfortable with what ever means it takes for us to see that through and will support our governments efforts to do that. there are dilemna's in life. no win situations where the best choice we have to make is actually the least worst choice available. to me, this is our situation right now. and chomsky's analysis is to me, naieve. it places again too much credit on a bunch of suicidal maniacs driven by hate. and it does not address our responsibility to protect our country and our citizens. the usa is to be afraid of the likes of the taliban and bin Ladan? come on. that is an impossible paradigm to live with. it goes against everything this country was built upon and it defiles the lives spent fighting for our freedom. and it's gross. pacifism falls short under the duress of self defense. as does history. self defense is primal and clear and present. to compare the usa today to the usa of 1812 is stretching to prove a wishful point. as well, to think that video and cassett footage of bin Ladan will inspire and flourish terrorism, even if he is killed, and continue the sufferings of the usa, is to me...totally naieve. not only is the usa to be afraid of bin Ladan, but his legacy as well? bullshit. these terrorists must and will be brought down, dis-assembled, killed, and made a non threat to the united states. to me, that is the only acceptable solution to this current situation and it is justified at all costs already by the 6000 lives crushed to dust for no fault of their own at all. american lives are being lost...right now. it is an all or nothing issue. in fact, chomsky's thinking is poisonous to me. how the taliban came to be does not matter right now. how bin Ladan came to power does not matter, in our current quest of securing our cities. once that is done, then we can look at our history and not make the same mistakes again. but i'll be damned before i live in fear of the likes of bin Ladan or yield to his brand of threat. nor will i accept the youthful hearts of pacifism as my inspiration while my very own youth..my children's lives... are in danger. and i'm most grateful to men and women of all ages like vince's son who are willing to live with risk in harms way for our protection. to me, they are far more impassioning, intelligent, and powerful than the pacifist poets who inspire us to see the injustice of violence. i already see that injustice, in a huge heap of flesh and steel in lower manhattan. i don't need a poem today to remind me of that injustice. what i really need is to never see it again. pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 08:24:26 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Happy Birthday To You (NJC) He has a beautiful smile He's warm, talented and giving He has great hair H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y S T E V E P O L I F K A Your friend, Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:24:11 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday To You (NJC) In a message dated 9/22/01 11:20:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lcmixon@pacbell.net writes: > He has a beautiful smile > He's warm, talented and giving > He has great hair > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y S T E V E P O L I F K A > and... He has a great tan Best Wishes Steve Love, Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:29:19 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: birthday Hey Steve!!!! Happiest of Birthdays to you! Enjoy your day, hope it's special, and wishing that all your dreams come true! Best Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:21:35 +0000 From: "Leslie Ross" Subject: Hippo Broadbean NJC To Steve-on Neon Polifka-most Very many happy returns on your birthday! Hugugs Virtualidads Les (London) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:27:55 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: RE: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc I missed the first 10 minutes or so but taped the rest. I set the new VCR on its madien voyage as an unattended recorder and I did something wrong. Anyway, I'm also hoping someone caught the whole thing 'cause I missed Springsteen. The heros' stories kept me on the edge of tears the whole night and therefore, the music had a direct line. My notes say this about Celine Dion: [1h 42 a pitch perfect "God Bless America" by Celine Dion. It started out quietly and, as we all expect from Celine, it built in tension and fullness as the choir joined in. Then it was time for Celine to open up and give it everything, as she surely can, like Babs used to...... The band fell silent and she finished quietly like a mother brushing her sick child's hair 'good night' before she silently leaves her charge to sleep's refreshing grace.] Understatement from Celine Dion?! What can it mean? :) Has she been lurking and paying attention to her critics? Maybe there's hope for our world yet! Lama ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 13:38:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC - benefit Vince Lavieri wrote: > Anyone have any reviews of the benefit? It was a true class act, no matter what anyone's politics are. I was most impressed with Neil Young, Bruce, and Paul Simon. And I was knocked out by Alicia Keyes. Though only 20 she is the real deal. Reminded me of Aretha Franklin during her Columbia years. And every time i heard "the lines are open" it reminded me of you-know-who. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 12:54:17 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc Lama wrote: >Subject: Wow, if you missed this program, you missed a *LOT*. I won't even begin to >detail my thoughts except for the closing song: >So here the evening ends. Here is Willie Nelson, personifying our thread >bare imperfection. Our fragile claim on blessings. Our off-kilter and >awkward, yet unwavering resolve. Our quiet dignity. >Here we are, a mongrel nation. A mixed bag, rattling tonight with ashes and >gems. This show was wonderful and very tastefully done...no egos overshadowing the cause. Neil Young's version of "Imagine" just blew me away.....incredible..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:11:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc > Celine Dion - Like my Mom taught me, if you can't say something nice, don't > say anything at all. Say what you like about Celine (and I'm not a fan of hers), I was touched by the fact that she came out of her 'retirement' to do this. I did think her performance was genuine & heartfelt. Unfortunately I missed most of the show. I haven't been turning the tv on lately. I did see Paul Simon sing 'Bridge Over Troubled Water' and was very moved by that. The finale was also a tear-jerker. Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:13:41 -0700 From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Dream Concert/Fest JC Gang, Joni Mitchell on guitar/piano/vocals Jaco on bass... Benny Goodman on clarinet.. Brando in the backseat...(circa 1952 Brando, that is) Gail and Louise in push-up brassieres WA Mozart on warm chords Beethoven on bell-jar Facility...Harry's House Funding...Harry's take home pay Neil Young on harmonica Leslie Mixon and Claud on back-up vocals Lamadoo percussion Master Bob Mueller (of Ceremonies) Wiener Philharmoniker string section Honored attendees...Jesus, Howard Hughes, Martha, Blanche DuBois AND ME DIRECTING THE WHOLE THING!! Sigh. Love, Russ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 14:16:01 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: Why meeeeeeeee? WHY NOT ME!!!(njc) LOL! But.. but ... but .. I left my homework in my dorm room a-a-a-and my computer crashed ... (just some of the excuses I get!) Heather At 08:09 PM 9/20/01 -0400, Victor Johnson wrote: > > Why do i have to read this sick email on the joni mitchell list?! > > > >Because there will be a quiz tomorrow morning at 8 am. > > >Professor Victor > >Victor Johnson >http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > >"Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, >Come when you lay down your head. >While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, >That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." > Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:25:14 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday To You (NJC) > He has a beautiful smile > He's warm, talented and giving > He has great hair > > H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y S T E V E P O L I F K A > > Your friend, > Leslie I love furry critters. Steve is one of my favorites! ;-) Happy Birthday, Steve! Hope you're have a FABULOUS day! Lots of hugs, Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 11:28:49 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Birthday stuff njc pitassi content > dear MARY PITASSI: happy [oh so late so late so late!] birthday! i have > always liked and learned so much from your posts. please forgive me. > to the rest of the well wishers: mary's birthday was august 26!!!! she will > probably never speak to me again. and i deserve it. To one of our longest-standing members, HAPPY BIRTHDAY (late), Mary! xoxox Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 15:16:36 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: Dream Festival -Bruyere-Gino Vanelli Hey Heather. Gino. He is the bomb. I remember back in 1978 when I was madly in love and making love at all possible moments. It rained a lot that year in the Panhandle of Texas. We would love in the early morning, in the late morning, the afternoon, and all through the night. That year Gino had the hit record "I Just Wanna Stop". I can still remember those times lying there together with the rain pounding down and him singing that beautiful tune on the radio. I never bought the album for some reason. Was years away from Joni, rickie lee, and even a full appreciation for Missy. A few years after that with my heart broken and basically nothing but something that caused me complete and utter pain, Gino had the hit "i just wanna stop". I liked it as much as the other one, almost. I found some of his albums in the bargain bin, the cutout section where they cut a small piece of the album off. Got most of them for 99 cents or a 1. 99. What a steal. His albums were even better. He can take you away into a world of his making and it is a place that is wonderful. Jazz, blues, horns, he does it all. In 87, he released Black Cars. Again, excellent. My last album of his that I have found, he is not easy to find around here, is Yonder Tree. Hard to say that it is the best because they are all so very fine. for every just man mocked and killed for every drop of black contagion spilled this is my house this is my evil for every battle lost and won the spangled banners flapping in the sun this is my blood this is my people the black drums leaking in their graves the tin cans rocking on the arctic waves for every child the streets will claim the curse that rushes through their tiny veins for every rose that wilts away i die a little more each day for every field of wasted grain the rockets standing neath the western plains this is my greed this is my glory for every fist raised to the sky the crimes of hate our young sons glorify for every mouth that years for bread the heart of stone proclaiming God is dead for every soul thats lost its way i die a little more each day for all the blessings I disown the cruelties I condone for every beast of land and sky and sea that suffers for my vanity I die a little more each day. gino Vanelli - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruyere" To: "Dolphie Bush" ; "joni" Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Dream Festival > Gino Vannelli ! I have not heard his name in ages! I have an LP of his > from back in the early 70's titled Crazy Life. I know he had a big hit on > the radio in the 80's, I think. What ever happen to him? He did have a > great voice. > > Heather > > At 04:33 PM 9/21/01 -0500, Dolphie Bush wrote: > >Hey William. A little escapism. Perfect. Thanks. > > > >My dream festival would start with rickie lee Jones, Melissa Manchester, joni, > >Hall and Oates, Luther Vandross, Gino Vannelli, rick Astley, and a finale by > >Janis. Now that would be heaven for me. > > Mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:26:27 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: the march toward war...(NJC) i am not inclined to get into discussions that concern themselves with religion or politics. but, i have been following these threads on this list since the 11th, and, sadly, i feel like i can't shaddup any longer. so tune me out if you wish. because here's what i think. let me start by saying that it's a dangerous and alarming state of affairs in this country when dissent becomes seen as unpatriotic. dissent, and the right to one's opinion is as american as the constitution, where it is guaranteed, written in the blood of thousands of men and women who died to make it so. i'm hearing voices from every corner, including some on this list, urging us to war. people are grinding their teeth at the prospect of bin laden's head on a platter and daring to challenge the patriotism of those who might argue a different course. perhaps they have information i don't have, but before i am going to endorse the slaughter of more lives in exchange for the lives we lost in these heinous acts, i want to see some evidence. it was my understanding that mr. bush was going to lay out this nation's case against bin laden. was i distracted and missed it? the taliban maintains they want proof of his guilt before they'll turn him over? so, show it to them. show it to us all! i agree with vince, completely. if chile was demanding henry kissinger's immediate arraignment for his crimminal participation in a coup to bring down their legally elected president, would we hand him over to them without proof? of course we wouldn't! (personally, i doubt very much if we would hand him over if they produced video of him directing the coup from the oval office.) i don't think we'd turn over a prisoner from death row just because someone told us they wanted him. so why should we expect any different from the taliban? its just more american arrogance, one of the MANY reasons they have to hate us with such passion. george w. bush and the shadows who tell him what to say and when to say it, are counting on the enflamed and wounded american people to overlook this glaring omission and fall into lockstep behind them as they move once and for all to get these rouges out of our way. we are told that these terrorists hate us for our way of life? they hate us for our freedom? oh shaddup. they have a few more reasons than that! these "radicals", with the tunnel vision of most radicals, see us as immoral, with our porno shops on the corners of every city, our r and x-rated movies, (shall i bore you with example after example after example?) they see us as utterly corrupted by our materialism, our wanton pursuit of pleasure, and our rape of the resources of this planet to maintain that corrupt and immoral way of life. they see us as having gained our tremendous wealth on the backs of the rest of the world. AND, perhaps most significantly, they see us as an enormous threat to THEIR way of life because of the seductive qualities of our wealth and our possessions - a threat that is now infiltrating and corrupting THEIR world. they see their own leaders riding around in bentleys and mercedes, living in palaces made of gold, sporting 16 carat diamonds on their chubby little pinkies...living in splendor with unimaginable riches, gained from selling what these radicals see as their ONLY asset, to satisfy the insatiable appetite of the west, while the vast majority of their people live in unspeakable poverty. they hate us for our support of the state of israel. and some of them hate us because they've been poisoned and corrupted by religion, just like jerry falwell and pat robertson and the rest of those monsters who parade around believing they have a pipeline to the ear of some fictitious god. if bin laden did this, and the taliban support and provide him sanctuary, then fine, go "gittem" as mr. bush so eloquently put it. but before i join the flag waving, jingo spouting, bloodthirsty masses, some of whom are showing up on this very list, i want to see some evidence. the death and destruction in new york and washington and the fields of pennsylvania was an act of unspeakable evil, to which a response must be made. no question. but IF it was bin laden, and what we hear about him is true, starting a war is precisely what he wants to happen. he wants a jihad (a "holy" war...now there's an oxymoron if there ever was one) between the corrupt western powers, primarily the u.s., and islam. and we seem to have an administration who are just too happy to give it to him. this frightens me, because then, i think, the cycle will just repeat itself. perhaps next time in the playground of an elementary school in iowa, or some quiet suburban street in anytown usa. think people. this is not a time to lick our lips for sweet revenge. this is a time to be smart. this is a time for great care and intelligence. maybe you feel comfortable with that inarticulate, c student, ostensibly behind the wheel, but i most certainly do not. that's what i think. i'm not calling for pacifism. i'm not suggesting we turn the other cheek. i'm saying i want proof. and until i see it, i am not going to sit from my cozy apartment with a view, sipping my martini and calling for others to go out to die and kill people every bit as innocent as the ones who have died already, so i can feel vindicated and avenged. when i see that proof, then we can talk. peace, ric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 16:47:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: the march toward war...(NJC) How mean you are Ric, how very mean you are. I will not discuss this with you further. Keep on slanting, keep on slanting in all your meaness. Kakki Ric wrote: i am not going to sit from my cozy apartment with a view, sipping my martini and calling for others to go out to die and kill people every bit as innocent as the ones who have died already, so i can feel vindicated and avenged. when i see that proof, then we can talk. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:48:24 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: Birthday stuff njc pitassi content Mary! I missed your birthday too! I hope it was wonderful! Sorry this is late. Best always, Heather At 11:28 AM 9/22/01 -0700, Mark or Travis wrote: > > dear MARY PITASSI: happy [oh so late so late so late!] birthday! i >have > > always liked and learned so much from your posts. please forgive me. > > to the rest of the well wishers: mary's birthday was august 26!!!! >she will > > probably never speak to me again. and i deserve it. > > >To one of our longest-standing members, HAPPY BIRTHDAY (late), Mary! > >xoxox >Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 18:11:09 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: the march toward war...(NJC) ) > How mean you are Ric, how very mean you are. I will not discuss this with > you further. Keep on slanting, keep on slanting in all your meaness. Kakki > > Ric wrote: > > i am not going to sit from my cozy apartment with a view, sipping my martini > and calling for others to go out to die and kill people every bit as > innocent as the ones who have died already, so i can feel vindicated and > avenged. when i see that proof, then we can talk. I was right with you, Ric, up until this last part. This was mean-spirited and unnecessary, not to mention unworthy of you. I think you owe Kakki a *big* apology. Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:47:37 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) Mr. Mixon and I had a fun discussion today that I thought to extend to this list. He asked me about my first LP and 45 rpm records - as I recall, "Meet The Beatles" was my first 33 1/3 rpm record and Barbara Streisand singing "People" was my first 45 rpm record, wish I could remember what was on the flip side. Steve's first LP was "Snoopy & The Red Baron" by the Royal Guardsman and his first 45 rpm was "Alley Oop" by the Hollywood Argyles. We're probably the exception in that we also collect 78 rpm records... You always remember your first. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:47:40 -0700 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: the march toward war...(NJC) >From: Ricw1217@aol.com >Reply-To: Ricw1217@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: the march toward war...(NJC) >Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 20:26: My Dearest Ric: Thank God in heaven that there are very few people who think the way you do about this subject. If there was any time in this country that we need unity more,I don't know when that time would be? Have you heard Ric, about the information found concerning crop-dusters on one of the suspected terrorists person? To spray chemical or biological agents perhaps? Do you think that he might have been thinking along these lines? BTW, this guy was picked up in Minnesota of all places......where do you live Ric? (time magazine will be releasing this) Proof!!? Look,if Bin Laden wasn't directly responsible , which I don't believe for a second, he relished in the death and destruction on "hedonist" America. I'm sure he cheered and gave a high-five to his fellow thugs when he heard....mission had been accomplished. Good enough for me Ric! Give me his head on a platter! Very simple: we must get them before they wreak any more havoc on this country......they want to annihilate us. Just like Arafat wants to annihilate the Jewish people. I take them at their words. Bree np:Diana Krall: S'Wonderful _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 16:09:07 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: America's TV special: the tribute to the 911 heros, njc Bob wrote: > I'm surprised the ClearChannel folks didn't protest Neil's performance of > 'Imagine'! ;~) Our NZ Herald reported on Friday that the Clear Channel boycott was yet another hoax, or rather an "urban myth" created by the 'net. It apparently started out from a programmer writing a list of songs he "would" ban, if such a thing was to happen. Or maybe the story that it's a hoax is another hoax. These days, it's hard to separate fact from fiction. > You're right, I missed the first half, much to my chagrin. Hopefully I'll > catch it on tape soon. You can see video clips and photo slide shows of the performances at this site: http://www.msnbc.com/news/630141.asp?cp1=1 Just scroll down until you see the "slide show" on the left hand side. I have a 56K modem, and it's not too bad, although the images on the video are very small, and they have a very low volume. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 00:06:29 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: First 33 1/3 and 45 rpm records (NJC) My first 45 was "You Can't Hurry Love" by the Supremes and my first LP was "Days of Future Passed" by the Moody Blues brei nw: an edited "American History X" on USA Leslie Mixon wrote: > > Mr. Mixon and I had a fun discussion today that I thought to extend to > this list. He asked me about my first LP and 45 rpm records - as I > recall, "Meet The Beatles" was my first 33 1/3 rpm record and Barbara > Streisand singing "People" was my first 45 rpm record, wish I could > remember what was on the flip side. > > Steve's first LP was "Snoopy & The Red Baron" by the Royal Guardsman and > his first 45 rpm was "Alley Oop" by the Hollywood Argyles. > > We're probably the exception in that we also collect 78 rpm records... > > You always remember your first. > > Leslie - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 00:16:49 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Today, football and... njc A day of great contrasting events and emotions: Gage, my grandson, and I went to Ann Arbor for the football game, Michigan hosting Western Michigan, our long awaited first trip together to "the Big House" - but not anticipated under these circumstances. The game was postponed from last week. The crowd was down slightly - there were 107,00+ there, so that was about 4,000 less than usual - empty seats here and there spoke of people's fear of attending. Fear maybe because as always Michigan football is the largest gathering of people that regularly takes place in the US and a tempting target. Fear maybe because Ann Arbor is very close to Dearborn, where I was once an assistant pastor, home of the largest Arabic community in the US, and the raids and other police activity, and threats of violence, have been rampant since the 11th. I went in part to say, no one can keep me from living my life - I am too much a rebel to live in fear of anything. And I went in part because I needed to spend time with Gage and doing something that was totally the opposite of thinking about what happened on the 11th and everything thereafter. And I went in part for a reason that I suggest later. I yield to no one in my patriotism, but I have never been a flag waver. On the 11th, my flags went up at the apartment, on the car, in the office, as we all have done, as a sign of connectedness to the victims of the 11th. The flags almost came down after Bush's speech because I do not want to be associated with that speech and its implications at all. They are still up however - I reflected that this is my country and my flag and my flag is beautiful - I may just add peace signs to hang with some of my flags. I found some beautiful peace doves in a Christian website that will be perfect. Today I brought two American flags to the game and Gage and I held them up during the moment of silence for the victims, and we waved them vigorously during the half-time unfurling of the large flag during the singing of "O beautiful for spacious skies..." And today, I sang along with the Star Spangled Banner for the first time that I can remember. I do not believe that there is any contradiction in being passionately grieved about the victims of terror, and being passionately opposed to violence as a solution or response to terror, for violence is at the heart of the horrors of both ends of that spectrum. I am a pacifist, and the father of a Marine. Last night as Gage and I watched videos, we discussed that it was his father's birthday, my son, the Marine, and we talked about how his daddy was during his duty in what may well be great harm's way. And as we went to the usually semi-secret Marine website to look up my son's name so I could show him his daddy's name and encourage his pride in his Marine father, we found that part of the website was suddenly missing, including the Marine locator. That is rather ominous. And that weighed on my mind all day. Gage is 6. I remember his father at 6. We waved our red, white, and blue pompoms, given the the people at the game to remember the events of the 11th. Security was incredibly tight. I had to prove my radio was a radio and my sunglasses were sunglasses before we were admitted to the stadium. When Gage needed to go the men's room, I forgot to bring our ticket stubs and only my personal sincerity (or my son's urgent need) convinced the guards to let us pass, and return. During the 4th quarter there was a rumbling under the stadium - a moment of fear - and then realized it was just people making usual stadium noise by stomping in the stands. As we were walking to the car after the game, we hear sirens - and I realized that sirens will always raise questions, bring images, that they never have before. What do I do differently? I now carry my cell phone at all times. Should there be occasion, I want to be able to call someone. The stories of people and their cell phones on the 11th are with me. The game itself was different. There was not the usual fan intensity. Everything was at a far lower key than usual. The tailgates were quieter, the postgame parties were quieter, almost subdued. The game's outcome itself meant less than that we were having the game. And the game - a game, even the word "game" sounds so trite these days - was so in contrast to the seriousness of all that has been happening, and is threatening to happen. Was it frivolous to go to a game when there are bodies still buried in rubble and troops moving towards deployment? Was it life-affirming to continue our cultural togetherness and do the things that we usually do because, damn it, they are fun and take us away from the real world for a short while? And a lot of people, I am sure, wanted to be there - at a game - because it was a place to gather and wave our flags and sing "America" and make a political statement that we will are a people. We are a people. I will resume my thus far pretty lonely battle against the onslaught of war. I will continue to lift up the words of Jesus that we should not strike back. I will continue to search for other alternatives and urge them on. This is not the time or place to repeat those things, for I have done that, and will do that, without yield, for the claim of the Gospel rises above any other consideration. And the victims of other terrorism that we have ignored because of our own isolation from the world, all who suffer from any hands, including our own, we must work for their deliverance from fear and terror. But as I stood in the stadium with 107,000+ people, thinking of why I wanted to be there this day, and why we were all there - a profound irony arises from the terrorism of last week. The victims of last week - the fullest expression of the diversity of the American people - the victims were a mirror of ourselves as a nation. The events of the 11th have given us the self-understanding that we are a people. Whatever we were supposed to feel, whatever the perpetrators of this terrorism thought they were going to make us feel, we have emerged as one people as never before. We have seen in this that we are one people. Those who commit violence will never cower their victims - violence has a way of uniting those who suffer from it. That is very clear from any empirical study of violence. That is a lesson that we ourselves must heed as we consider the use of violence. That was not heeded by those who did this to innocent victims on September 11th. Whoever did this - and it still seems totally unclear, rhetoric aside, who actually did this - really miscalculated. Those who use violence will reap the whirlwind. And nothing that the perpetrators imagined as our reaction to their evil deeds could possibly have included that we would emerge from the crucible of terror as a united people. They really miscalculated. And we have become a people. We need each other. And we will grow in our needing of each other. Vince ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #429 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?