From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #423 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 423 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Version of "For Free" on ROTR [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] background on bin ladin and other special articles (njc) ["shane mattiso] Re: A Lucky Boy NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Subject: "Poopy" Joni picture ["Kate Bennett" ] seasons go round VLJC ["Diane Evans" ] Re: Old Videos on the Internet (a little long) [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: Scheer lied about $43 million (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [slarty ] The Tea Leaf Prophecy ["shane mattison" ] Re: thoughts - NJC ["hell" ] Pooptunes cd cover [Tyler Hewitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:57:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Version of "For Free" on ROTR << Do I remember correctly? >> Indeed you do...the extra "chorus" is a unique melodic line and the lyrics are: Playing like a fallen angel, playing like a rising star Playing for a hatful of nothing to the honking of the cars... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:19:08 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: background on bin ladin and other special articles (njc) for a whole stream of some of the best educational articles i've encountered on the web concerning bin laden, military preparations etc...always tune into Britain's Sunday Times. In this instance, follow these steps: 1) click the Sunday Times: http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/ 2) on menu column on the left, click "terrorism" 3) scroll down articles until you see "Way of the Warlord" 4) click photo of the wretch bin laden 5) after reading column click "next page" for a whole stream of first class background articles. These articles are not only extremely informative, they are also supportive of the american response, unlike a tiny minority of 'asses' working for the guardian or bbc... shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:27:01 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A Lucky Boy NJC > Her "I Get Along without you very well" is at the tree line of the > Mount Everest version by Billie Holiday/Nelson Riddle. Can't let this one slip by. That would be Billie Holiday/Ray Ellis, not Nelson Riddle. Others on the list know I'm a big Holiday fan but I have to say that my favorite version (thus far) of this song is Carly Simon's from her 'Torch' album. Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:12:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: "Poopy" Joni picture EEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW >>>>OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact. Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi Bob<<<<< ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:08:22 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: seasons go round VLJC I find myself in that peculiar position each parent one day faces: the empty nest. And so I see my life weaves in and out of Joni's tales of life. (There's the Joni content) In all the travails of the last week I've often been lost in Joni's thoughts on change and the world around us. (Is justice just ice?) But now my only child is moving into the world on her own terms and I'm feeling anxious for all she leaves behind: the child full of curls and sunshine smiles has turned round the circle to full bloom of young adulthood. In my age I would urge her to drag her heels even knowing there is no cure for the thirst to be her own person, independant and confident of future adventures. At once I envy her and yet hope she heeds my caution. Alas, she's too much like me and I fear she'll always venture forward with little consideration for the hurt awaiting an open heart. Do all parents feel this way? I love that kid more than I can say and want her to enjoy the richness this life can offer. But I'd do most anything to help her avoid the pain we all experience when we open our hearts. And as the world spins I wonder, did bin Ladin's parents wish the same for him? Fear the same for him? This traveler thanks you for the bandwidth Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:14:43 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Videos on the Internet (a little long) I had never seen the video for "My Secret Place" until today, and I was completely taken by surprise. MSP is one of my top 5 JM songs of all time, and I never imagined that the video would do the song justice. The scenes at the table are wonderful, the expressions on their faces are priceless, and the mood is perfect. The desert scenes with the ribbon trail leading on and on really capture the sadness of this song for me, and the loneliness...And when the ribbon leading to nowhere jumped up and turned itself into the unspoiled NYC skyline with the WTC towers, I just lost it...after a full week of being upset inside, it finally all came flooding out, while I sat at my desk at work. I had to shut the door. Many thanks Joni, for the catalyst, and thanks to the JMDL, which I tend to come in and out of every now and then, for the unity and peace that these collected posts have brought in this bad time. I appreciate it. Reuben in Philly ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:09:57 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Scheer lied about $43 million (njc) Kate, it looks like Scheer is even more irresponsible than I thought. Check this article out from May 1, 2001. Kakki http://www.itn.co.uk/news/20010518/world/04afghanistan.shtml US increases aid to Afghanistan "If the international community does not take immediate action, countless deaths and terrible tragedy are certain to follow" - Colin Powell, US Secretary of State The United States has announced a #43 million aid program for drought and war-torn Afghanistan. Secretary of State Colin Powell told reporters that nearly four million lives are at risk and he warned that a widespread famine could be in prospect. "If the international community does not take immediate action, countless deaths and terrible tragedy are certain to follow," he said. Mr Powell said that the crisis stems from three years of drought coupled with a devastating civil war that has lasted more than 20 years. The new commitment raised the US assistance total for the year to $124 million, compared to $114 million for all of last year. The donation includes 65,000 tons of wheat and other foodstuffs. Funds also are being earmarked for health and shelter programs. US aid to Afghanistan bypasses the ruling Taliban militia, which controls the bulk of the country but has no official relationship with the United States because of its alleged role as a sponsor of terrorism. There are no US officials in Afghanistan managing the aid program. The assistance is donated through international agencies of the United Nations and non-governmental organisations. Leonard Rogers, a top official of the Agency for International Development, citing estimates by UN agencies, said the crop shortfall for Afghanistan is estimated at two million tons this year, about twice the figure for last year. Rogers said precise information about the depth of the problem is hard to obtain because war-related security problems inhibit in depth assessments by US and UN officials and by non-governmental organisations. "We have imperfect understanding of what's going on there," he said. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:13:30 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The attack (NJC) > On another note, this afternoon I looked out my downtown Seattle window to > see plumes of black smoke and waves of emergency vehicles heading in that > direction. After panicking, finding nothing on the news, and running up to > the roof to look, I was sure another disaster had hit. Turns out a grain > boat on Puget Sound had a bad boiler. No fire, no damage, just many shaken > citizens. > > Jenaya Hi Jenaya! I was returning to my desk after using our fitness center this afternoon. The windows nearest my cubicle look directly out at the P-I building (Seattle newspaper) and the grain terminal you're referring to. I saw a huge plume of black smoke pouring into the sky and my stomach did a flip-flop. Luckily it was what you described and nothing more. Did you get up to Seattle Center to see the flowers in the International Fountain? For other listers, Seattle Center is where the World's Fair was held back in 62. There is a large fountain there which is kind of like a concrete bowl with straight (as opposed to curved) sides that slope down to where a large metallic dome sits in the center of it. There are water jets all over this dome. On sunny summer days, music comes out of speakers around the rim of the bowl, there is a ramp down into the bottom of it and kids in their swim suits play in the water from the fountain which comes out in patterns that are synchronized with the music. Last weekend the jets were turned down to a gentle flow that covered the dome in a sheet of water & the fountain was turned into a memorial. People brought flowers to place around the sides and to throw onto the flat space around the dome. Travis, Melanie & myself went down to Seattle Center on Sunday with three pink roses that Travis had cut from a bush in our yard. The fountain sits in the middle of a large open grassy quadrangle. Looking up you can see the Space Needle not far away. There has been a huge American flag flying from it for the past week. We could see a good size crowd of people gathered around the fountain. A line had formed that went about halfway round the perimeter where there is a paved walk way & benches. It lead around to the ramp that goes around the inner wall to the bottom. Just before the ramp, a wicker archway had been placed over the path and it was covered with flowers. There were also balloons and notes that people had written expressing their anguish for all of the lives lost in New York & Washington DC last week. The inside of the fountain had flowers laid all over it and more balloons and more heart-felt messages of grief and sympathy. There was the solemn & ethereal sounding music of a single, unaccompanied flute coming from the speakers. Here & there people had scrawled messages with colored chalk on the concrete wall. The one that sticks most clearly in my mind is the one word message 'WHY?' As we stood in line at the top, looking down at the colorful sight below us, I was drinking it all in, feeling the solemnity of the moment but at the same time hoping the line moved fairly quickly (it was overcast on Sunday and kinda chilly.) When we actually got into the fountain, however, it was a completely different story. I found myself overwhelmed with an overpowering feeling of mourning & sadness. It was like being at a funeral but even more intense than that. I spoke at my partner Edward's memorial service and the feeling then was nothing like this. Maybe at that time I was already cried out and there seemed to be an unspoken pact between his mother, his brother & sister-in-law, his sister and myself that we were all going to be strong for one another that day and help each other through it. But this was different. It was almost as if we had actually walked into ground zero when we descended into that fountain. I could feel the grief of every person present and of maybe millions more who weren't there. Millions from all over this nation and all over the planet. It was overwhelming. The tears streamed down my face. At the bottom I threw my rose out into the center. There was a bank of flowers encircling the center, probably to keep people at a reasonable distance from the water, so I didn't see where it landed. It didn't matter. What mattered was that I was there and was somehow part of and connected to these awful tragedies. A co-worker walked over to the Seattle Center on his lunch break this week as they were hauling the flowers away. The local news said there were more than a million flowers in the fountain. My co-worker is partially blind and does not feel comfortable in large crowds so he did not visit the memorial while it was still happening. He said it was sad to see it being hauled away but that while he watched, a heart-shaped balloon broke free of the debris and floated away into the sky. I want very much to believe that this was a sign that love is the stronger force & will prevail over hate when all is said and done. Peace & Love to You All, Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:40:55 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture Loved the picture. If anyone would like a Windows icon made from the picture let know and I'll email to you. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. > > http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact.Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi > > Bob > > NP: Marian Russell, "Just Like This Train" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:35:24 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: The Tea Leaf Prophecy Molly McGee gets her tea-leaves read- You'll be married in a month they say "These leaves are crazy! Look at this town-there's no men left! Out of the blue-just passin' through A young flight sergeant On two weeks leave- Says "Molly McGee- no one else will do!" She plants her garden in the spring He does the winter shoveling The three of 'em laughin' 'round the radio She says, I'm leavin' here but she don't go Study war no more Lay down your arms Study war no more Lay 'em down, lay 'em down now (excerpt: joni's 'tea leaf prophecy') the long saskatoon winter, and the winter of a 'not always easy' marriage, but moments for the 'three of 'em'... ...and her inner child still calling them to 'lay down their arms...study war no more...' It was a time when young men went in droves to answer the call of 'king and country'...and this time (unlike the 'Great War', the first world war, or the 'war to end all wars', they had an evil enemy - a situation potentially yielding, Churchill warned, to what could become 'a new dark age, more sinister and protracted by the likes of perverted science' unless they 'brace themselves' for battle. And so young men could perceive that they may have to make 'the ultimate sacrifice'...and they were willing... Even then a few, very few, were 'conscientious objectors'...in canada, j.s. woodsworth, founder of the CCF, the commonwealth cooperative federation (Canada's 'Labour Party' - but with populist, agrarian roots from woodsworth's home soil - the prairies. He was the sole M.P. to vote against conscription, because on a personal and conscientious level, he had been, like gandhi or the dali lama, a pacifist by deep conviction... I just shared with a friend on the topic of being a pacifist, that we need to conceive of a society where it could be right for j.s. woodsworth to be one....and right equally for winston churchill not to be... i said to him for instance that i could not be one in world war II, nor could i imagine being one now...but that i could deeply respect the conscientious convictions of a man like j.s. woodsworth...it was right for him... priests, ministers...its right for them to be not warriors...they are to remind the rest of us of our higher and more noble calling to be 'peacemakers'...but i am not a priest, nor could i ever be one...i am called to be a layman, and this involves different responsibilities, to God, to society, and warrior may be one of those duties to which i am called (especially if i were 20 years younger, and really fit and firm of body and vigour!)... but then we have to look at the 'fighting' and the situation we face... the present situation is full of potential deceptions for people to truly understand what is going on... there is no whole nation to take on primarily, it is usually pointed out, but a no less deadly and dangerous enemy... composed of gangs of murderous thugs really...and so the proper response is a kind of 'cop for civilization' approach...and not just 'american cop' which creates resentment upon the often misunderstanding mobs, but truly an international cop, where we need the americans because of their resources and capability for the campaign ahead...the defence of civilization this time needs pinpoint accuracy ...and an emphasis that this is not a campaign against islam nor cannot it ever be, if we are to preserve the very civilization we are purporting to defend... Lay down our arms? no, not this time, in such a deadly peril! the only arms we need to lay down are our interior arms against God, the mere materialistic arms and the 'me-generation' arms...the arms that prevent our self-giving... That being said, we cannot go to the opposite extreme...that of filling up the oceans and skies with military hardware up to the yingyang when we really need thousands of james bonds!...people can be so easily fooled by this military build-up...america has a 'winning' consciousness, and this is also fed by the daily t.v. diet and computer games... ...its not about winning, but about perservering! its about only going after the crooks... and not waging world war three... So there are many diversions and escapes from this recent suffering... how important then to look deeper into the meaning of suffering instead of compulsive quick fixes (for those who only think of 'macho' reactions) .....their aren't any! c.s. lewis, oxford don, cambridge professor, christian apologist, took on the mystery of suffering, first theoretically (in 'the problem of pain') and then personally...he fell in love with a terminally ill jewish woman from new york named joy....he married her in her hospital room...she had a felicitous and very romantic respite for 3 glowing years... and then the cancer returned... after her death, lewis went through all that... before, he had only 'written about'... but, with time, he came to see the grace of God in more thankful eyes once again, (writing 'a grief observed') before his own passing... he said when he was young, he couldn't avoid suffering... he was dragged kicking and screaming into it... when he became a man, he chose it, that he might love... "that's the deal"... Here is a site, then, which introduces us to some of the ideas which grappled in the mind, and then in the experience of c.s. lewis... if there is a God who is loving, how can suffering like this occur?: http://catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0032.html shalom, dear friends, shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:55:43 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: thoughts - NJC Azeem wrote: > How can you tell if someone is a Muslim? You might end up having > to throw in Hindus as well, as from skin colouring and physiognomy it can be > impossible to distinguish, say, a Pakistani from an Indian. This may look > facetious, but I'm being totally serious. We can all allow ourselves to bow > to prejudice (and no, I'm not exempting myself from that) - the challenge is > to confront it in ourselves. You say the prejudice will never go away. It > can go away, if you confront it, and don't allow it to take root. There have been several instances here in New Zealand where people have been harassed simply because of their appearance, or because they are wearing a turban similar to Bin Laden. Thankfully they are few and far between, but it's still frustrating that there are these narrow-minded, not to mention stupid people around. On the other hand, there have been some incredibly moving tributes. The US Embassy has been besieged by bouquets of flowers, cards, etc. The Fire Stations throughout the country held a 3-minute silence at midday yesterday in honour of their fallen comrades - I could see them from my window at work. I look directly over to the Auckland Central Fire Station, where the NZ flag has been at half-mast since last week (as has the flag outside our building). The Letters to the Editor in the NZ Herald are very moving as well - I've seen letters from children as young as seven condemning the actions of the terrorists, and offering their support to everyone in NYC and the USA. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:58:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Pooptunes cd cover RE: Yikes. She looks like Mick Jagger!. lordy!!!! she looks like carol burnett with a toothache! Maybe it's the love child of Mick & Carol! LOL! Looks like Joni swallowed Mr. Peanut whole! - ---------- I'd have to go with the evil love child of Mick Jagger and Rickie Lee Jones, with a litte bit of Audrey Jr. from 'The Little Shop of Horrors' (the musical remake) thrown in as well. "c Karma" asked: Has anyone else been compelled to return to certain songs since the events of Sept. 11? I've had Rufus Wainwright's Poses in the cd player since about the 9th or so, and have listened to it everyday for the past week. Don't know how it relates to current events, but it is stuck in my head real good at the moment. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #423 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?